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1c2816 No.569994

b2c735 No.569995

File: 086555748834721⋯.jpg (122.03 KB, 1000x668, 250:167, 1512628830591.jpg)

Modern Pagans are just atheists looking for an identity, Paganism is perfect for that since they can believe whatever they want.

Nihilism leaves a hole in their lives that can only be filled by God, but they're still searching in the wrong place.


fe5e63 No.569999

Modern day pagans are Satanists. Not in the meaning that they worship satan, but in terms, that they literally act like devil: they know God, they have no proper argument against Christianity, yet, like devil did, they embrace their stupidity and retardness solely due to their hate of Jesus. Only thing salvageable in them is the fact, that they are Humans made in image and likeness of God and Christ died for them, but this makes my personal feelings even more sorrowed and painful, because I feel sorry for those who blinded themselves due to mysotheism.


5223e2 No.570001


ccffe0 No.570004

>>569994

>Why does /christian/ seem triggered by this

Literally no one was talking about this.


d55537 No.570011

I'm a christian and would visit. In the same way that I would visit a museum or a Shinto shrine. But paganism is spiritually empty.


d2d51d No.570034

Odin has similarities with Christ on self sacrifice like when he removed his eye and when he hanged himself for 9 nights.


f788a5 No.570038

File: f810758fbf03ca5⋯.jpg (79.1 KB, 466x379, 466:379, 1434164051849.jpg)


a315c5 No.570077

>>569994

neat as fugg, but also heresy. here's to hoping the lost souls come back.


0954c9 No.570085

>>570034

Trump is literally Hitler because they both drank water. Checkmate, Drumpfers


fad39b No.570095

>>570034

what drugs are you on, I want some.

or not, since that damages my body and my body is the temple of the Holy Spirit


b71cf6 No.570105

uhh but I'm not


d2d51d No.570114


fb46a3 No.570120

>>569995

This, fpbp indeed.. Human is always drawn towards Him, longs for Him even subconsciously as He designed us as we were intended to be. The Devil and their wicked allies seek to deviates us from the course and damn most of us as they can before the their end comes.


6e9f67 No.570164

>>570034

The Virgin Odin:

>hangs himself to acquire more power, still dies like a punk in the final battle

The Chad Christ:

>is hung so that men might win eternal life, beats the shit out of the forces of darkness and shoves them into the eternal oven in the end of days


f4c28e No.570173

File: 0a6635456b6b57d⋯.jpg (96.38 KB, 845x564, 845:564, Patriarch_Kirill_Russian-O….jpg)

>>569994

Doesn't even look all that good.

Truly cucked, all glory of Christianity is fully derived from Paganistic thoughts of splendor.

After all, going full richfag with adorned robes and pompous glory light rays everywhere kinda goes against "be private with prayer and richfags don't go to heaven" Jesus talked about.

Pic related.

"Oh yeah, we're like, totally Christian."

"I mean, just look at our robes full of symbols, firesticks, crowns, drug smoke public temples, epic rituals and so forth, we're not like those pagans from back then, no sir. I mean, did you notice that one tiny cross over there? Checkmate, Atheists."

Europe = Pagan land.

There is not a single pure Christian institution in Europe, not a single one.

Sorry.


d2d51d No.570174

>>570164

Good one anon

Odin is still respectable in a sense though because he seeks wisdom.


f4c28e No.570175

File: c134a5ef8d4a2a0⋯.jpg (43 KB, 600x455, 120:91, c134a5ef8d4a2a044030317bc3….jpg)

>>570164

>Jesus

>Has foot support

>People care for him, wash him up

>Doesn't even look dead so he needs to be poked with a lance

>Resurrects three days later

>Goyim still think he died for them milennia later


f4c28e No.570178

>>570173

>Truly cucked

The pagan temple, in this case.

It should look extremely awesome, but it does not.


bc982b No.570180

>>570164

Didn't he drink semen from people who were hung to get magic or something?


bc982b No.570181

File: 418b0cb697c5e25⋯.jpg (32.68 KB, 420x443, 420:443, Bruh.jpg)

>>570173

>"be private with prayer and richfags don't go to heaven" Jesus talked about.

The hell are you on about?

Does all of your knowledge of Christianity come from memes?


f7d71b No.570183

>>569994

LARPers gonna LARP.


069a7e No.570184

>>570174

>seeks wisdom

>doesn't become Christian

He didn't acquire any wisdom that matters unfortunately for him


d55537 No.570186

>>570173

I forgot the part when He forbids to build nice buildings, art, etc


e637e3 No.570191

File: 75c115efc2be0d2⋯.png (39.88 KB, 500x193, 500:193, f1d3140ddb05b506c8e3908d21….png)

>Immature question but: Why does /christian/ seem triggered by this?

I don't think anyone here is "triggur'd" that a hedonistic country like Iceland is being gay.

>>570180

yes


d2d51d No.570194

>>570184

Theres no Christ yet in odins time. He sure would be a christian. Odin is a pre figure of Christ before hte gospel was spread


b71cf6 No.570197

File: d9b4ac84c5a38e1⋯.jpg (746.86 KB, 901x556, 901:556, solomon.jpg)

>>570173

>all glory of Christianity is fully derived from Paganistic thoughts of splendor

umm


08c906 No.570207

File: 5e7f2b31ae6f7c8⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 217.79 KB, 508x638, 254:319, 1500323354002.jpg)

File: 52678c21f991d75⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 194.06 KB, 588x548, 147:137, 1500108865006.jpg)

>>570191

>inb4 "da jooz"


b2c735 No.570211

File: 0a2b5e17cd5601f⋯.jpg (95.49 KB, 982x669, 982:669, 456334.jpg)

>>570207

wew pagans were always fags


198f27 No.570214

>>570207

>it's in a meme, so it must be true!

wew lad


c1eb8f No.570220

>>570197

The guy you're replying to obviously has a very limited and superficial understanding of Christianity. It's sad that people feel the need to criticize things they barely understand.

>>570207

(((Aristotle))) was clearly a crypto-kike. An alternative excuse would be that the Celts aren't really "white" or some other nonsense. After all, true Aryan warriors throw homos into bogs. Anyone saying otherwise is a kike shill.


8d1b3e No.570221

File: e81efc260e81444⋯.png (1.09 MB, 1137x815, 1137:815, Based_Hilmar.png)

>>569994

Pic related is the pagan priest who's building that temple.


069a7e No.570223

>>570221

höh höh höh


c1eb8f No.570224

>>570221

>We even have a crossdressing god

I see he's the sort of honest pagan that doesn't practice the Aryan version of taqiyaa.


08c906 No.570266

File: 21e18ee028368d9⋯.jpg (607.74 KB, 1034x732, 517:366, 1500311978961.jpg)

>>570207

ok, reuploading deleted picture. edited


44afa2 No.570271

>>570221

>WE WUZ TRAPS N SHIEET

>WE WUZ FUCKING BOY PUSSY AND HAVIN VIKING BOIIII LOVE N SHIEET

What a magnificent show of explicit white identity


844c97 No.570324

>>570221

B A S E D

A

S

E

D


c2daa4 No.570328

>>569994

>Why does /christian/ seem triggered by this?

I never heard anyone here mention it before you. On the contrary I see Asshatruars constantly defending Varg who burned Christian churches down. Asshatru will never become a mainstream religion due to:

-It's inherent silliness

-The implausibility of a dead faith being revived

-The fact that many of them don't believe it literally

-The fact that there is no widespread agreement about anything in their religion

Christians disagree on many details but the overwhelming majority accept basic things like the trinity, the virgin birth, the resurrection, the second coming. Asshatruars can't even agree on whether their gods actually exist or not.


f27211 No.570343

File: 74667f6943053a2⋯.png (2.13 MB, 1600x890, 160:89, Charlemagne-destroys-irmin….png)

I think the problem is that pagans fundamentally just don't believe. At all. Or at least not in any sense that we ourselves would recognise as belief.

If you could travel back a thousand years and ask the average Norse pagan if they believed in their gods, they wouldn't know what you are talking about. To us, it would be just as ridiculous if someone were to ask us if we believed in the sun, the moon, water, fire, warfare, fertility etc., because to the pagans that's what these gods were. Not modern abstractions or personifications but actual beings who embodies or patronised these elements. The tales they told and songs they sung weren't just ebin storeytimes for drinking and wenching but were very sacred to them.

Even read something like Tacitus' Germania and his account of the Germans, and see if their customs of executing traitors and cowards, whipping adultresses, drowning homosexuals, ritual human sacrifice to idols, using haruspicy or the flight of birds, their devotion to chastity and virility, or determining fates by twigs or using horses to predict the future in any way remotely comes close to what there is today.

Ask a modern pagan if they believe earnestly in any of this and you will get a fairly evasive and vague answer about it. For us ourselves, there is no doubt about the existence of God. For them, however, it seems less important.

For the neopagan, a much more massive obstacle to overcome than the fact that much of what they accept is reconstructed, ad-hoc and often jumbled, is the fact that they are so cynically devoid of true belief in anything other than what they might be able to project onto this "system" whether it's gay rights or race worship. And as we all know, any religious or moral system built on "anything goes" is a house built on sand.


f788a5 No.570348

>>570343

>Ask a modern pagan if they believe earnestly in any of this and you will get a fairly evasive and vague answer about it. For us ourselves, there is no doubt about the existence of God. For them, however, it seems less important.

>And as we all know, any religious or moral system built on "anything goes" is a house built on sand.

Wait a minute.

>Ask a modern liberal christian if they believe earnestly in any of this and you will get a fairly evasive and vague answer about it. For us ourselves, there is no doubt about the existence of ???(I put God earlier on so I don't know what to replace this with). For them, however, it seems less important.

>For the liberal christian, a much more massive obstacle to overcome than the fact that much of what they accept is reconstructed, ad-hoc and often jumbled, is the fact that they are so cynically devoid of true belief in anything other than what they might be able to project onto this "system" whether it's nice doctrine or prosperity gospel. And as we all know, any religious or moral system built on "anything goes" is a house built on sand.


7ece84 No.570350


f27211 No.570355

>>570348

Your point would be valid if Christianity were suppressed, all writings destroyed and all we had to go on where the works of Hitchens, Marx and Sam Harris and maybe some stories about king Arthur and some other fairly obscure folk traditions to try to reconstruct it after 1000 years.

At least according to Catholicism, we have Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium of the Church founded by Christ Himself. There is no ambiguity about what is required of us. You are either a Catholic or not. "Liberal" catholics and "Conservative" catholics is marxist dialecticism which needs to be purged.

What lukewarms believe or disbelieve does not alter one jot or iota the sacred authority of the Church or its teachings.


f788a5 No.570356

File: 0db17fe91826e3b⋯.jpg (94.1 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 1464976831317.jpg)

>>570355

>"Liberal" catholics and "Conservative" catholics is marxist dialecticism which needs to be purged.

>What lukewarms believe or disbelieve does not alter one jot or iota the sacred authority of the Church or its teachings.

Wait so do lukewarms exist or not?


c2daa4 No.570360

>>570348

For a self-described Christian, not believing in a literal God is abnormal and fringe. For a pagan, it's the norm. If you go up to a pagan and ask them if they believe Odin literally exists it's a toss up. Some will tell you he's symbolic of certain elements of nature, some will tell you he's a Jungian archetype, some will tell you he simply provides inspiration and connects him with his ancestors, some will say he exists in some spiritual realm, a few might say he was an ancient alien.


f27211 No.570361

>>570356

There is no contradiction.

Lukewarms don't care about the faith much at all, so they can hardly be considered Catholic. A lukewarm isn't a "liberal". Someone can appear active in the faith, but still be "liberal". A "liberal" would be someone like Fr James Martin who is actually just a pure heretic.

>inb4 you come back at me for using "liberal" - this is according to other people who use the word in this way, not mine.


f788a5 No.570363

>>570361

>this is according to other people who use the word in this way, not mine.

When it comes to actual marxist dialectics its better to actually burn it than to skirt just around it.

Seems like I actually had to come back at you for using the term liberal even with the inb4. Oh well!


f27211 No.570364

>>570363

Well it was just to clarify that it's not my belief, just to state that this is how some people thing about the faith and not make it sound like I'm contradicting myself e.g.

>there are no liberals or conservatives btw this guy is a liberal


15abfd No.570411

>>570181

I'm Christian and he has a point.

>Camels and needles and whatnot

>Inner room not like the Pharisees and such.

I thought we were supposed to get rid of Satan and all his pomp and works.


55f093 No.570412

>>570181

It comes from the Bible, which you would know if you've ever actually opened it.


124de1 No.570426

>pagen temple/high place

Who cares?


17b89a No.570433

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3927bc No.570435

>>570328

Tbh if they weren't so retarded and did the basics of what a religion should do they could actually fill a void in European religion.

The fact that they can't even write a single article of faith shows how much of a non religion they are.

>do you have a moment to talk about Odin?

>sure, what do you guys believe in?

>uh, idk what do you believe in? Yeah that's close enough


6e9f67 No.570437

>>570433

>angels are based on greek pagan flying children

WE WUZ PUTTIS N SHIEEET


e120f9 No.570438

File: 273901f66874e76⋯.png (138.12 KB, 476x401, 476:401, 1512145895910.png)

>>570433

WE WUZ PAGANZ


ebee34 No.570440

>>570173

terrible pasta tbh


6e9f67 No.570441

>>569994

Are we? Vikangz are small potatoes even for Iceland, that neo-sumerian cult they've got up there that people are joining for a tax dodge is far more a serious spiritual problem.


f4c28e No.570504

File: e5a76265fe23f18⋯.jpg (554.26 KB, 911x680, 911:680, Tausendjaehrige_Eiche_(Les….jpg)

>>570435

>The fact that they can't even write a single article of faith shows how much of a non religion they are.

Stop thinking like a scripture bound monotheist.

As I stated in another thread.

>>570170

>You might not like that notion, but paganism is simply more resilient by nature.

>The fact that its flavors don't claim to be the one true way being the pillar of that.

>In Christianity all you need is a bad missionary result, incorporating some people into your faith, which is the only true faith so everybody has to follow it.

>Then the people who enforce that "one true thing" become corrupted and then EVERYONE following has to adhere to those new standards.

The non reliance on one true path is a strength, not a weakness, provided the immediate "tribe" area has some sort of cohesion at least.

And while that, indeed, was stronger in the past, the same can be said about Christianity, with everyone having their "own PERSONAL relationship with him (even though he's supposed to be in heaven, which is not your 'heart')".

Not to mention all the denominations.

Also, faith is faith, that's why even actual delusions can manifest themselves in tangible, physical actions. Even involuntary things like mental illness.

If my particular area believes that there is a spirit in the local, nearby forest and you have to do something to appease it or something, then those people might, even today, unironically do so.

That's why even after 2 milennia, MILENNIA with nary a "spiritual text" or anything, people in Germany still smash earthware before a wedding to bring luck. (And test the couple for cooperation during hardship)

Still burn groomspants to signify that his life is changing, still nail bridesshoes to a tree after the wedding so she "can't run off"

And that's just one example, and a very jew countering one, too. Kikes smash glass for their wedding, for example.

Germans would *never* do that, because Glass signifies happiness (a reason why some kikes actually name themselves Glass instead of somthing more obvious like Ruby(Rubin) and so forth)

Even worse would be shattering a mirror. Which causes bad luck even in 2017, unironically, in many.

There's a lot of "superstitions" that are unironically still observed, or would be if the things they pertain to were still more prevalent.

Like building a ship. Would YOU risk building your ship without at least a LITTLE bit of Ash wood? It's one of the holiest trees AND it's connected to water and people, again, unironically have added ash wood to ships for that reason well into the modern time.

Same with naked ladies on the bow of the ship, althoug hthat is more Celtic in origin. The tits of the statue would either mollify or straight up intimidate storms.

Oh, and why is nautical speed calculated in knots? Because witches, unironically sold wind stored in strings and fabrics in the form of knots. You undo a knot and the wind will blow into your sails.

And you might just dismiss this as nothing, but please do reflect on the "marketing statement" of Christianity having fully conquered Europe, has fully conquered the minds of heathen savages who dropped all their backwards views for the incorruptible and fully valid and unassailable, infallible truth of Christianity.

Don't brush taht aside like many also brush aside omnipotence and omniscience, both very strong, mind blowingly strong attributes to rationalize even simple basic things like "How can a being that knows all at all times be 'surprised' by virtue of judgement of someone action?"

Often dismissed as babby tier philosophy garbage, but in reality this is a big deal, it's just not treated as one because if it were treated as something to ponder about then it would make no sense in the context of all knowingness at any point in time transcending past, present and future.

Etc.

Paganism is stronger than you think, and it is VERY EXTREMELY LIKELY that you are indulging in something even without knowing.

"In loving memory of" …why would you indulgue in the pagan notion of "honor" and "elvishness" by keeping memories of someone alive so they may live inside your heart? (A bit like jesus whom many rip out of the immaterial heaven to have a personal relationship with simply by learning and thinking about Jesus from a book, with without it he would never have existed, applying the pagan principle of immortalty through memory to even a GOD)

Naming someone after dead relatives, etc.

I could go on but who wants to read all that?

tl; dr;

If you think you're 100% christian and paganism is fully dead, you're wrong. Especially the more European you go. It really is as simple as that and only the nature of me getting banned for this all the time stops the potential torrent of more clues and info about this.

But you cannot ban reality, you acn only ban people posting on your imageboard, that's the only rech and dominion you have, it does not touch the real world.


bd30f4 No.570506

>>569994

>Why does /christian/ seem triggered by this?

What's your evidence that we were?

>>569995

>Modern Pagans are just atheists looking for an identity

Not bad for a Cathbro. *doffs cap*


bd30f4 No.570509

>>570343

>another brilliantly win post from a Cathbro

m8, noice!


e4628e No.570518

>>570266

>The construction of homosexuality (((David F. Greenberg))) .

https://books.google.ro/books?id=2pw-CgAAQBAJ&pg=PA248&lpg=PA248&source=bl&ots=GX1hcI26Ri&sig=GGAFCjoNIXqkq7x4CUI8M5F9ijI#v=onepage&q=%22because%20odin%20was%20heterosexually%20active%22

>Homosexuality and the Western Christian tradition, by Derrick Sherwin Bailey

<Derrick Sherwin Bailey (30 June 1910 – 9 February 1984) was an English Christian theologian, born at Alcester in Warwickshire, whose 1955 work Homosexuality and the Western Christian Tradition paved the way for the production of the 1957 Wolfenden report and for the Parliament of the United Kingdom's decriminalization of homosexuality in England and Wales a decade later.

Yeah, consulting with the father of lies is bad, but hey, we have to make our pre-christian ancestors look like fags. What can go wrong, am I rite, fellow christians?


08c906 No.570519

>>570518

>>The construction of homosexuality (((David F. Greenberg))) .

>ignores sources

yeap

>>570207

>>inb4 "da jooz"


e4628e No.570520

>>570519

Consistent with this (((interpretation))) . I don't have time to play jew games. Also, don't think for a second that we've forgotten (((communism))) over here.


14b1bb No.570522

>>570504

>superstitions

newsflash: nobody cares. as long as its not straight up worship or conscious magic, nobody cares. To amend the "marketing statement," Christianity has fully conquered European worship. I don't know why the truth needs a marketing statement, but whatever.

>A bit like jesus whom many rip out of the immaterial heaven to have a personal relationship

someone doesn't understand omnipresence

>In loving memory of

Its more like remembering someone until you see them again, a thing that will actually happen.

>surprised God

examples please. biblical preferably. Likely, he cannot be surprised by your choice, but he is still pleased by it. Like you can't be suprised by a birthday cake, but you can still enjoy it.

>One true thing is corrupted

That's why we have the bible, dipshit. Nothing says primary source like thousands of years old text.


6e9f67 No.570625

>>570504

>Oh, and why is nautical speed calculated in knots? Because witches, unironically sold wind stored in strings and fabrics in the form of knots. You undo a knot and the wind will blow into your sails.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knot_%28unit%29#Origin

No you dumbass are you so short of worthless superstitions you have to invent ones from whole cloth?


e27a32 No.570679

>>570625

Excuse me sweetie but wikipedia is clearly a jewish plot to over throw muh stronk pagin heritage. So could you kindly quit posting your schlomo meme :^)


f27211 No.570734

>>570504

>>You might not like that notion, but paganism is simply more resilient by nature.

topjej

>cut down a tree

>bagans convert en masse

OK.

Like the other guy said, superstitions aren't the same as actual faith. They are goofy and irrational exentricities. It's not a sin/heresy to cross the street to avoid a black cat - it IS one if you think this somehow affects your whole salvation or that you have then to use some spell to reverse the "bad luck" you might have received. It's not a sin to wish a magpie goodmorning, it IS a sin to believe that they are literally angels who report directly to God, and that if you don't greet them you will be damned.


9a721b No.570855

File: c69764637ad95be⋯.gif (1.78 MB, 250x185, 50:37, scared.gif)

>>570221

thats degenerate


4c9f96 No.570889

>>570504

Do you believe Odin, or any of the other pagan gods, are real or not? No Jungian archetype nonsense, no "I believe he's real in my mind" post-modern existentialist nonsense, no tulpa nonsense, and no "the traditions keep Odin and Thor alive which is why I have to nail these shoes to a tree, so that they don't die" nonsense. Because your ancestors never would have given such wishy-washy answers. Does Odin exist? Yes or no?


fc40d9 No.570911

>>570221

This is what /pol/ actually believes


a28312 No.570913

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>570433

I mean it's not entirely wrong though, Christianity was changed to appeal to pagans, our lunar calendar was changed to a solar one. Video related explains it better.


981e16 No.571304

File: 7f0483ea946118e⋯.jpg (112.3 KB, 288x360, 4:5, Norse_Mythology_Paintings_….jpg)

>>570889

>Do you believe Odin, or any of the other pagan gods, are real or not? No Jungian archetype nonsense, no "I believe he's real in my mind" post-modern existentialist nonsense, no tulpa nonsense, and no "the traditions keep Odin and Thor alive which is why I have to nail these shoes to a tree, so that they don't die" nonsense. Because your ancestors never would have given such wishy-washy answers. Does Odin exist? Yes or no?

Yes, I think he exists, but I also think that the gods, themselves always having something to do and not being "perfect" simply don't care to meddle in human affairs from their home.

Hell, maybe they are on some mission somewhere and aren't even around to "babysit" us at the moment.

It makes more sense than an omnipresent omnibelevolent omniscient perfect god letting shit slip through.

It might just be a meme to some but, do you see any ice giants around? I don't.

We're fine on our own, we will get to join them or at least go to their dwelling, even if it might be uninhabited at this time when our souls leave our bodies.

But yeah, they're real, but unlike Yahweh "they don't act mysterious".

I'm pretty sure thats why nothing happened when the tree got cut down.

There might have been no wrath of the gods directly, but look at the sorry state of Christianity today.

Same with the dilemma for Christians, if they don't brush it aside just like that.

But anyway, if a person blasphemes against the biblical god and nobody hears it, does the sin get punished?

Most likely not. You wouldn't be able to detect their singfulness either, even if you knew about the experiment.

You see a group of 50 people, each go into a secluded forest to either blaspheme horribly against your lord, or they praise him, one by one.

You wouldn't be able to distinguish anyone, and even if someone got bad luck in their life, it would just be your own thoughts that they are one of the sinners.

But you know very well that some really scummy and depraved people can live full and long lives.

God, your god doesn't care about sin, only humans care about sin and they always punish on the gods behalf.

This is tricky to rationalize with your all present, all knowing, all loving and perfectly just (and wrathful) god.

He just lets people go, apparently.

He lets your enemies walk over you without any shred of guilt.

My gods might just ne on a hunt.

My gods might be occupied.

My gods might have gotten tricked and are in a pickle.

My gods might have died, even.

Even that makes more sense than your contradictory god whose actions never line up with marketing speech.

>is all knowing

<still has the capability of judgement, implying uncertainity until some point where some tally is being brought up, and other problems

>is everywhere

<doesn't do anything

>is all loving

<doesn't do anything

>banishes evil to hell

<satan and demons can leave freely to tempt people

>jesus is said to have died

<rose after 3 days

>is supposedly fully perfect, whole

<still has worries, still has issues like wrath, still has curiosity, etc even though once perfection, true perfection, true eternal divine perfection has been reached, there is no other step.

Et cetera.

Even if all my gods have been killed by some force (they are not perfect and they can get hurt and tricked and die, like Baldur is said to have).

Even that makes more sense and reaffirms my beliefs more than the god of the bible that needs eternal crutches and six gorillion apologetic things to bridge the gap of "mysterious acts" that stem from his given attributes and (non) actions in the practical, "living" form.

You can only wish to come close to a fraction of the believability and realness of my gods.

They work, dare I say, perfectly?


981e16 No.571309

>>571304

>they might be dead

<well, what's the point then

To add to that.

It's fine even if they are dead, just how it's fine that Hitler is dead, I wish he weren't but his deeds were still real.

We've been given wisdom, we've been given power.

And even if all the gods got killed, acting on their aspect, justice, strength, beauty, etc still yields rewards on earth.

And, despite the pagan semen slurping meme, I can enjoy the thought of an afterlife even without having to suck off my pantheon like a sycophant.

Should I make it into the great halls of the gods and only a steward is there, then I'd still be in the realm of the gods.

If it's a slaughterhouse and I get …I dont know, soul killed there, then so be it.

I'm not that much of a hedonist that I want an eternal hugbox.

I want to live properly and why would there be a guarantee that everything has to be cushy.

I have faith that it wont be completely horrible, but I'm not banking on it.

But even though it might end up horrible then that doesn't mean I'm gonna chicken out, so to speak.

And make up eternal excuses for some fella with a Hebrew name.

That would be truly hell on earth for me.


069a7e No.571317

>>571304

>is all knowing

>still has the capability of judgement, implying uncertainity until some point where some tally is being brought up, and other problems

This whole post is a meme parade but this takes the cake

What even is freedom of choice if you'll not even get the time to realize your position and believe?


981e16 No.571326

>>571317

>What even is freedom of choice

A backwards argument if one thinks "evil" is required to have it.

Hmm.

Should I have some chocolate?

Should I have some cookies?

Should I have some marshmallows?

>the sound of rattling prayer beads and gasping, agitated breath grows ever louder

>a Christian puts down a plate of horse dung on the table, visibly relieved that he made it in time

<There, now you can choose.

What?

<You can choose now.

<You cannot have the freedom of will if there isn't anything bad in the set of choice, it literally cannot be


f27211 No.571329

>>571304

Oh wow so much to unpack here.

>It might just be a meme to some but, do you see any ice giants around? I don't.

They never existed.

>But yeah, they're real, but unlike Yahweh "they don't act mysterious".

Neither does He. If he is manifest in all things, sustaining and directing Creation, then He is hardly acts mysteriously. In fact in the true matter of things, He IS Mystery. For us a mystery is a something which is intelligible, but also has an endless profundity. Such mysteries are the Trinity, the Incarnation, the Immaculate Conception, the Mass, and so forth. It's not some cop-out where we throw our hands up and say "well can't explain it, let's move on".

>But anyway, if a person blasphemes against the biblical god and nobody hears it, does the sin get punished?

Unless they repent of it, yes. Human judgement is irrelevant. If I lie and am never found out by other people, God still knows.

The rest of your forest example means nothing because God alone knows this. The point is that we aren't to treat them as damned (i.e. beyond repentance), that's what "judging someone" actually means, not "stop liking what I don't like".

>But you know very well that some really scummy and depraved people can live full and long lives.

They have had their reward.

>enemies = evil/careless God

The amount of times alien forces have tried to destroy the Church in the past 2,000 years (and the people of the Old Covenant for 3,000 years before that), and have not only failed but have been ruined themselves, begs to differ.

>still has the capability of judgement, implying uncertainity until some point where some tally is being brought up, and other problems

Judgement isn't like a human decision where it's like a toss up. Judgement is the eternal verdict of sin. If I sin and don't repent of it, my card is marked. It's not like I will appear before the Lord at the end of time and he'll be like "Well I was going to send you to Hell, but I'm not so sure, since you were pretty cool otherwise. I'll let a jury decide". If however I do repent, do penance and live as pious and blameless a life as possible, the Judgement may be avoided, because I am in a state of Grace, and have trusted in the Lord's mercy. His Judgmeent is for those who ignore or reject his mercy.

>doesn't do anything

You really need to expand on what "doing something" is.

>satan and demons can leave freely to tempt people

Resisting temptation builds us up, it humbles us, lets us know our weaknesses and faults, and strive to overcome them. Doesn't this sound familiar to your pagan way of overcoming struggles and adversity and learning from weakness? Don't forget that He Himself was tempted, so it's not like He is some kind of hypocrite that asks us to do what He won't.

>rose after 3 days

Yes?

>still has worries, still has issues like wrath, still has curiosity, etc even though once perfection, true perfection, true eternal divine perfection has been reached, there is no other step.

He's not some drunken father with BPD/codependency "issues", He is justly angry because we have spoiled His good creation, and at large continue to ignore Him and His works. He is not curious either. What a silly remark.

>And, despite the pagan semen slurping meme, I can enjoy the thought of an afterlife even without having to suck off my pantheon like a sycophant.

If you barely have to even think about them (as Norse gods didn't, since they just wanted to be acknowledged, not caring if they are loved or not), then why even bother with them at all? This just sounds like any other DIY New Age cult where you make up the rule as you go along.

Also why Odin, out of curiosity?

>And make up eternal excuses for some fella with a Hebrew name.

>le kike on a stick meme


069a7e No.571330

>>571326

I find it cute that you have internalized our standard of goodness so well you know it instinctively but you can't define it.

Good is what God wants you to do. That's it. If God had decided that sacrificing your firstborn onto a pyre was necessary, it would have been a good act and you would be protesting the fact that not doing it is considered bad.

What you don't seem to grasp is that evil is not a presence of badness, but a lack of goodness. Doing evil includes, but is not exclusively, doing things directly opposed to God's will; doing evil is more completely defined as not doing God's will.


14b1bb No.571510

>>571304

>ohohohohoh le problem of ebil how will you solve this little christian

It's simple: the option "allowing evil" makes more good things than "not allowing evil." The easiest explanation for this is that resisting evil is a good act, so you can do two good acts for the price of one. Plus, God likes having free-willed creatures. And to answer your question why free will includes evil:

>you can choose apples or pears

<but I want a fucking cookie, dad

>you can't have the cookie, it's bad for you and you will have a stomach ache.

<But I want it!

>I will now throw away the cookie.

not free will

That's why God let adam sin in eden.


14b1bb No.571512

File: 28f55ccf8cb128f⋯.png (41.48 KB, 500x500, 1:1, imblyign.png)

>>571304

>using the "but God is perfect so why would he create" argument even though I disproved it to you in the other paganism thread you posted in.

Shit arguer and a coward. 0/10 should not go to valhalla if it indeed exists.


6e9f67 No.571513

>>571304

>I believe my gods are real, and that they don't matter at all!

This is sad.


f27467 No.571520

Again and again, it amazes me how pathetically low the standards are by which Pagans judge their own religion and their gods, compared to the high standards by which they judge Christianity and God. They may as well be atheists.


9c2b7c No.572088

File: edb869c6575abfa⋯.jpg (290.92 KB, 1280x950, 128:95, edb869c6575abfafcc091986ef….jpg)

>>571513

>I believe my gods are real, and that they don't matter at all!

I believe my god is real even though he does nothing ever while giving him credit for everything that happens to me.

>>571510

>gets a stomach ache after one cookie

Ask for a better digestive system, or something.

<That's not how my real god works even though he's everywhere I have to have a stomach ache or I couldn't have free will or love

>>571520

>Why are pagans so realistic yet still unerrignly remain loyal to their gods? It vexes me so! HE said his gods could be gone and dead and yet still he stays on their side. Ohhhhh I want him to give credits to a hebrew phantasm that does nothing it says it should be doing REEEE

>>571329

>A catholic trying to argue for Christianity

Yes, sure thing, fellow not pagan, you are very wise with your words, wink wink.

(Don't worry, brother, I will not blow your cover. You've trained your whole life to devour god, I won't piss on your heaven infiltration strat to tear apart Jesus and eat his flesh and drink his blood for real. I mean, it's probalby happened a long time ago, hence the non acting of the Christian god, but I still respect your dedication.)


9c2b7c No.572089

>>572088

>I believe my god is real even though he does nothing ever while giving him credit for everything that happens to me.

>t. Christian

Also, praise the virgin woman, dear non pagan Cathobro.

Wink wink.


9c2b7c No.572096

>>572088

>I believe my gods are real, and that they don't matter at all!

One more thing about that.

That "my gods might be dead" is just a worse case scenario.

But, like with Christians, the life on earth is just a stage.

And, unlike Christians, I actually have some actual other worlds before me, and not just a giant "heaven" cloud where one worships a heeb for an E-T-E-R-N-I-T-Y.

>wanting to be locked in a room with a hebrew who craves adoration

>instead of going to a whole new realm of adventure and growth

What's even the point.

It's just as silly as muslim heaven.

>everything is gold, the sun is shining something fierce, gemstones everywhere

>naked virgins

The sun would just blind you instantly due to the reflection everywhere while you and your waifus get fried alive on the smoldering hot metal floor and bundled sunrays.

Meanwhile, even on earth people go to forests and parks to unwind.

So much for

>>571330

>I find it cute that you have internalized our standard of goodness so well you know it instinctively but you can't define it.

It's like everything good about Christianity is derived from beliefs European pagans held and hold while the religion crawled over the continent.

>>571512

> even though I disproved it to you

I have yet to read it but I'm 99.9999% sure that you're not really disproving it because you cannot argue that perfection has any further step, need, worry, desire and so forth.

It's impossible unless you don't call Yahweh" truly perfect".

You simply cannot have it both ways.

A perfectly cut diamond does not get cut any further.

A perfectly tuned machine does not get tuned any further.

A perfectly solved puzzle does not get solved any further.

A perfect score does no increase any further.

A perfect being does not go any further.


59b94f No.572098

>>572096

>It's like everything good about Christianity is derived from beliefs European pagans held and hold while the religion crawled over the continent.

You know, gaslighting doesn't work if you're the minority


6e9f67 No.572170

File: 2ed6ac67c4ded6f⋯.jpg (44.5 KB, 495x346, 495:346, 04-07.jpg)

>>572088

>>572089

>>572096

Yeah it's not really convincing you know that when someone calls your gods worthless and irrelevant you get so assblasted you need three posts to form your reply.


4c9f96 No.572397

File: 603ce5ec03ebec1⋯.jpg (10.66 KB, 261x193, 261:193, 603ce5ec03ebec165cbf011791….jpg)

File: eaa5baaa159e32d⋯.jpg (70.96 KB, 640x553, 640:553, cc56fa16ee1f6cc44db718e000….jpg)

>>571304

So if you believe they exist, then do you bring offerings and sacrifices to them like your ancestors did?

572088

>Yes, sure thing, fellow not pagan, you are very wise with your words, wink wink.

>I can't answer any of his points so I'll just yell memes at him

Brainlet debating 101

>>572089

>It's like everything good about Christianity is derived from beliefs European pagans held

No, I'm pretty sure the idea that parents shouldn't be allowed to murder their children originated outside of Europe.

Also, what did he mean by this?


f27211 No.572403

File: 5756554b89651b2⋯.jpg (106.54 KB, 859x1267, 859:1267, JUST.jpg)

>>572088

>post argument

>counterargument

>lol gadlix r bagan XDDD

Come on man, have some integrity.




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