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>>568930

>So every single man, woman and child on earth was an immoral, evil person who deserved to die? Seriously?

That's literally how the story goes.

If you don't believe in the story we gave you, why do are you giving this argument? You don't believe its a literal story.

If you believe in the story, why are you doubting the immorality?

Oh I might as well add

>literally

If you are going to add emphasis to something, don't do it like a tumblrite. It makes you look like you're taking estrogen pills.

>>568930

Yes anon, it even says God regrets having created us. We were that bad. Also, I think humans had mixed bloodlines with demonic/fallen angelic beings, so there's that if it makes you feel any better.

>>568933

>>568932

My point is, even if we assume the Abrahamic God exists, doesn't the Flood (and Sodom and Gomorrah) prove that he's not a benevolent being?

>>568934

He's a loving being but also a frightening being… God is a duality, do good and you get blessed, do bad and you get punished. A double edged sword, a flame that warms the ones who loves him and a flame that burns up those who are his enemies.

>>568934

Nobody ever said God was 100% benevolent.

>>568934

Think of your dad, any good father would give you the belt if you did something bad, now that's just on a tiny scale. Now think of it from an eternal cosmic perspective. Your actions have could have severe consequences. One careless remark could have a ripple effect that affects several other peoples lives and it ends up echoing through eternity.

It's serious stuff.

>>568930

>>568933

>Also, I think humans had mixed bloodlines with demonic/fallen angelic beings, so there's that if it makes you feel any better.

This. Noah was perfect in his generations, not having been mixed with fallen angels or their offspring. God killed off this evil offspring. Nothing of value was lost.

>>568942

I agree with you, but citing this as the sole reason God wiped everyone out stinks of a white supremacist

>>568943

I am so sorry but the truth is that Humans can only mate with other humans

Actually nevermind that, marriage was given as a concession. We're not meant to marry with each other since on heaven there's no sex or reproduction.

>>568943

Wait a minute I speeded through the post too fast

>sole reason

The people before the flood lied, cheated and stole each other. Hold your horses.

>>568943

It was the main reason. Whether it smacks of supremacy of any form is irrelevant. God wiped out these hybrid abominations because (imho) this was Satan's method of trying to destroy humanity and wipe out the bloodline of Jesus, the Messiah. It's simply God defeating Satan's plans. God is supreme over all.

I don't believe this is God warning against race-mixing.

>>568947

>The people before the flood lied, cheated and stole each other. Hold your horses.

Did Noah and his family not sin? polite sage for double-posting

>>568933

Where does it say that? Quote?

>>568962

Genesis 6:6

>Noah tried to warn those he could

>lmao look at this geezer building his shitty ship

>wow he talks to GOD, how fascinating

>I bet he doesn't even fuck his own children, what a degenerate

>kys old man

>muh sodomy

>muh qt fallen angel bf

he suffered from the same tragedy of the soothsayer of troy: he was right, so horribly right, but no one would believe him until it was way too late

>>568930

It is literally impossible to coherently argue that the Christian God is evil. As soon as you concede that He exists, you concede that he created you and is the sole source of good to exist. If this is true, how can a created human being challenge the goodness of his Creator if whatever good that human has in him comes only from the Creator?

>>568970

>It is literally impossible to coherently argue that the Christian God is evil.

This. God defines what is good and evil, not a degenerate judaized society.

First and foremost, God is sovereign. He gives, and takes away. Clay does not rebuke its potter, it has no right to.

Second, since Adam, we are under bondage to sin, and the wages of sin is death. Nobody is innocent, not one. This is the entire point of Jesus coming to die for our sins.

I see no problem with this.

>>568934

Dopey atheist curses God for wiping out towns of malevolent gang-rapists, sad!

>>568967

>>568933

>I think humans had mixed bloodlines with demonic/fallen angelic beings, so there's that if it makes you feel any better.

When will this meme end?!

>>568967

Sons of God were decedents of Seth

>>569039

Literally never unless you come up to explain what the Nephilim really were.

>>569040

Can you explain me please ?

>>569040

Nephilim comes from N-PH-L, which means, Semitic root for "falling", it denotes either "fallen" as fallen, decadent society, or either marking them "falling" on innocents and robing, slaughtering, raping and so on. In English in this context, Giants denote as "mighty man" (in my language, they are translated as "heroes"). This meme about Nephilim being hybrid of Humans and Angels comes from book of enoch, whose author perhaps had an angel fetish.

Asides from the fact that they are mentioned to be after flood too

>4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Also (may our Father in Heavens forgive me for using sermons of this guy) vid related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szkz4bVB-hg

>>568934

>God should be the big kindergarten teacher in the sky becus i said so.

Grow up and chill out with the consumption of modernity.

>>568934

>>568930

He's benevolent and entirely right for performing his actions since he knows their character. You're trying to imply that his actions are wrong because you think they're innocent, but the all of them were bad and guilty individuals according to God.

You can't picture how bad they were, so you're shocked by it because you think that it'll include you, but evil from those annihilated doesn't represent your level. In fact, they didn't even represent ISIS terrorists or your hated enemies, they were implied to be much worse. So try to think of that.

>>568930

The flood was probably the rising of the sea-level 11,500 years ago. Ate up all civilizations that could have been.

>>569040

Nephilim was an intentionally obscured name. Could have mean the Fallen, or fellers. Either way I don't see how it relates to angels. It's much more likely that they were the outcasts of an incredibly powerful race of humans.

>>569117

>>569039

To believe either way is not heretical. Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, and some early Church fathers held the "angel" view. Also, "bene ha-'elohim" refers to angels in other uses in the Bible.

I'm not completely convinced either way, to be honest. But the angel view of Gen 6 makes sense to me.

The "literal" destruction of the whole world is a bit of an Hebraism, usually this phraase denotes a huge area, not necessarily the literal entire earth.

Even assuming for talking's sake that God did in fact flood the world to drown out the wicked, His Rule is Sovereign and He did it because it was right and good to do so.

>So every single man, woman and child on earth was an immoral, evil person who deserved to die? Seriously?

Frankly, yes.

>The Lord hath looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there be any that understand and seek God.

>They are all gone aside, they are become unprofitable together: there is none that doth good, no not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre: with their tongues they acted deceitfully; the poison of asps is under their lips. Their mouth is full of cursing and bitterness; their feet are swift to shed blood. Destruction and unhappiness in their ways: and the way of peace they have not known: there is no fear of God before their eyes.

Ps.13:1-2

To be honest I'd still take this view over the modern view that morality is irrelevant and evil is arbitrary. From the perspective the secular devaluation of values the eradication of the wicked is even more futile.

>>568930

Job 34:10-11

Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.

For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find according to his ways.

>>568930

They were literally subhumans with demonic blood.

>>568943

If you take a literal approach to the flood(which you should and young earth) then you know we are all of one blood after Noah. Races are a thing from Seth Ham and Japeth, but there was never an implication that a race was better just for skin colour, a race or a family group was better for thier belief in God.

We were told not to take strange wives not because they could be black or white,but because they were pagans. We were told wipe the cannanites because they did evil in the sight of the Lord.

>>568934

God is also justice which is ultimately part of benevolence.

>>568930

>Your God

wew

>Literally

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>so every single man, woman, and child on earth was evil

No, at least one person Noah wasn't, maybe his family wasn't either but I don't remember

>Seriously

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