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3a7dd4 No.563256

Like, for examole: does it matter if you're orthodox or catholic?

c0b21c No.563260

>>563256

All that matters is if you are Baptist.


d956c2 No.563261

All traditional churches have held that people can be saved despise not knowing what the true church is, in case of ignorance.

Now we are all ignorant on which church is the true one.

Now, Catholics will point to Orthos being unable to make theological decisions, and Orthos will point out to Catholics being unable to convince people that sins(IE: Homosexuality) are sins. Expect it to go nowhere.


274701 No.563265

As long as you're not Mormon or something, I think you're good. There's a difference between misunderstanding a few things and believing things which no one else believes to be true. You can make an argument for deuterocanonical books, but Book of Mormon is straight up false prophecy.

I don't know who is going to heaven/hell, but I'd steer clear of Jehovah's Witnesses. It's more than just Arianism. Some of their beliefs are completely alien to the rest of Christianity.

>>563260

or this, tbh.


a2b6c5 No.563271

>>563256

>Do all churches receive salvation?

Only church that can be saved is one with the Holy Spirit enriching the members of justification in the sight of God.

>Like, for examole: does it matter if you're orthodox or catholic?

Yes.


3a7dd4 No.563277

>>563271

Well shit. How do i know which is the correct one?


058f41 No.563284

>>563277

The correct Church is the Catholic Church, you can tell this by Jesus himself, affirming the early Papacy of Peter, in Matthew 16:18.


a2b6c5 No.563289

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>563277

To find out which denomination is correct one, we can't rely on human autonomy and individual desire to find our answer (in Christianity, that's self-defeating), rather we need a specific standard. So, what's the standard? Universally, Christians try to imitate what it's like to follow Christ, and the best example of that are those followed Christ, namely the apostles. This is where disagreements arise, but I think we can reduce the major topics into four questions to find the correct denominations, which are:

What's completely apostolic?

What is the role of God's grace upon the believer?

What is everyone's position in regards to original sin?(I wish I can word this better)

Is God's congregation visible or invisible?

Here are some links to get started. Although, they're a bit biased, I'll admit.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/alexander_a/canon.iii.ii.html

https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/theology/general-christian-topics/doctrine-questions/4703746-2-thessalonians-2-15

https://michaeljkruger.com/were-early-churches-ruled-by-elders-or-a-single-bishop/

https://bible.org/seriespage/8-grace-god-part-i-ephesians-15-12-21-10

http://justforcatholics.org/a84.htm

https://onefold.wordpress.com/category/sacred-tradition/

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/visible.html

http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/encyc/encyc09/htm/iv.v.lxxiv.html

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/hcc3.iii.x.xi.html

(notice that 80% to 50% of doctrines that separates protestants from cathodox begin in the 4h century with the rise of monasticism. Because they wouldn't practiced or as emphasized as before means this cannot be the result of apostolic tradition, since these doctrines was unknown to the apostles or out-right rejected.)

As for Matthew 16:18, about 80% of the ECFs consider the rock as not peter himself, rather most of them say it's the confession of peter that is the rock. The papacy in Rome as the bishop over the whole church started with the Justinian code when emperor Justinian handed over his western power to the bishop of Rome to dissolve some ecclesiastical disputes.

Before someone mentions about who gets to interpret holy scripture, it's necessary to note that during the late 3rd century a church figure by the name of Origen formed an entire school on the interpretation of the bible. I think we should find that suspicious, if there's "apostolic" tradition for the meanings of the bible, Origen should've just visited all the patriarchs for the meaning than to devote his time and money for researching (hypothetically) known interpretations. What is even more troubling is that most of the church adopted his Alexandrian allegorical method soon afterwards, even though he's considered a heretic by said church. Finally there's st.Augustine, who was the leading bishop in the council of hippo and carthage, created entire literary work called On Christian Doctrine, which discusses the interpretation of the bible and not once you will the word 'tradition' contained in it. In fact, Augustine complements the idea of multiple interpretations and comparing scripture with scripture, than to first consult the Vatican.


77bb71 No.563311

>>563284

Why are you Protestant, then?


058f41 No.563320

>>563311

Don't worry about it. I am on my way to the Lord and His Church.


7c48e9 No.563354

>>563277

If they are right about salvation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDEBz25lGdY

>>563284

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


8b266b No.563355

>>563354

But if Jesus was resurrected wouldn't he keep living on earth as human? Why did he got to hell than back to earth than became a spirit?


25eda4 No.563357

>>563284

>>563320

take off the flag

>>563256

It doesn't matter what's written on the church door, all that matters is what you believe in your heart.


2d0261 No.563375

>>563355

All humans die and descend into the grave/Sheol. He conquered death and brought the righteous with him. This is broadly known as the Harrowing of Hell. This is an interpretation of the Gospel, firmly established in the patristics.


bbec9b No.563542

>>563271

autism


373fc9 No.563548

>>563289

>we can't rely on human autonomy and individual desire to find our answer

>major topics into four questions to find the correct denominations…Here are some links to get started

How is this not relying on human autonomy and individual desire to find the answer?


6c2a6c No.563550

File: 7adb1cc1334a9fd⋯.jpg (336.8 KB, 1025x725, 41:29, 1508481922569.jpg)

personally, I only call Christ's Church a "Church" the rest are sects or denominations or schismatics etc.

>>563256

>Like, for examole: does it matter if you're orthodox or catholic?

yes. read this http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/epistle-to-pope-francis.pdf

if you have the time/desire. Couple of high IQ Orthodox Priests/metropolitans totally #rekt Roman Catholicism, the Pope, Vatican 2, etc…

yes, everything matters in life. Including what we shitpost online.


3c51a8 No.563563

>>563550

That document destroys nothing. I read the part about the supposed support that Bergoglio gave to the dictatorship and the document quotes non-stop ultra-leftist sources as Pagina 12 or Myriam Bregman. This is not serious at all.


9fbc76 No.563567

>>563550

what a vile mouth-foaming document, you should be ashamed of yourself


ad5746 No.563597

File: 06943c658ddc144⋯.png (359.82 KB, 760x587, 760:587, wish that were me.png)

>does it matter if you're orthodox or catholic?

Yes. There is only salvation through the Catholic Church. That being said, non-Catholics can, possibly, go to Heaven, but there is no certain way to know. The Sacraments given by Christ and practiced by the apostolic succession are the only sure-fire way to know if one's sins have been forgiven.


6c2a6c No.563601

>>563567

>>563563

read it all. rage all you like.


9fbc76 No.563652

>>563601

>rage

there is no rage here, but a lot of sincere pity for you


df4d93 No.563928

>>563567

fuckin lol'd


d854a6 No.564073

>>563597

>There is only salvation through the Catholic Church

LOL


7c02a0 No.566366

>>563256

EXTRA ECCLESIUM NULLA SALLUS


04df87 No.566369

>>563256

Protestants don't have sacraments. How can you be saved if you don't go to confession all your life and die with hundreds of mortal sins? Mind you, all Apostolic Churches have always had confession and the same sacraments, it's not some Vatican novelty.

If you read anything about the history of Christianity, you will see that all Churches founded by the Apostles have always had the same sacraments and the same theology, except for very small differences that appeared much later. I actually consider Protestants very brave people, because to dare to listen to some medieval monk or a local pastor over the rules that the Apostles left is very brave indeed.


7c02a0 No.566379

>>566377

Delet


df7b6e No.566418

File: 36d6bbad804960f⋯.jpg (186.46 KB, 499x604, 499:604, Stalin-icon-04.jpg)

>>566377

Saint Stalin pray for us and our communist faith!


73251b No.566421

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>>566376

How to spot a larper in one easy step


10fa37 No.566425

>>563548

Because we're called to conform into Christ's image, not the other way around.


c50305 No.567581

>>563563

>bergoglio

is name is Bernholeio, please don't besmirch his whoreyness.

(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST)

423492 No.567584

>>563550

>Epic meme image

>#rekt




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