PUA is trash. It's not going to help you, as a Christian; it's not meant for people like us. I've done it myself before going Orthodox, and I was heavily into it. Downloading millions of programs, going to nightclubs, 8/9/10 hours a night, the works. Let me explain:
PUA is geared towards sex. That's it. If you learn PUA, all you will get, is sex. You will not get a good relationship, you will not get a quality girl, you will get sex. That's all they teach you. Popular PUAs know nothing about relationships and don't give two hoots about dating, finding good women, and so on. All you'll really learn from them is how to create something that isn't even a relationship. And even then, you won't know if she's quality or not.
PUA has its roots in evolutionary psychology. You cannot separate the two, and as a result, you'll learn nothing about relationships because relationships aren't a thing in an evolutionary context. Nearly every pick up program out there will teach you these main things as beliefs and mindsets you need to have in order to "succeed" as a PUA:
- Women are all non-monogamous sluts with depraved fantasies but religion and society make them hide it
- Monogamy doesn't exist because men evolved to just want to impregnate as many women as possible
- Relationships are a societal construct
In fact, "relationship management" sections of these programs teach you nothing. You know what they teach you? That you've still got to "play the field" and "see other women" to keep your girlfriend jealous otherwise she'll leave you. That's what they all imply and in some cases, outright tell you: the second a woman knows she has you, she will leave you. That's a cancerous mindset and demonstrably a lie, but it's the kind of belief you'd have to accept if you want to make the PUA thing work. And if you're here, I'm pretty sure you want something meaningful and not just empty, meaningless sex and no real chance of having a wife/true relationship.
Additionally, these people are manipulative as hell. The guys who run the show are liars and conmen who can talk a good game. The biggest PUA company currently (RSD)- the CEO (RSD Tyler aka Owen Cook), is the largest liar of them all. I have reliable information that he doesn't actually practice what he preaches. He uses his money and status to get girls on a sugar daddy website called seekingarrangement. Another RSD instructor does the same thing. If "game" is the be all, end all of things, why is it that the CEO (someone with over a decade of experience) of a PUA company suddenly starts using money? A second instructor does the same thing.
The way they do things is that they alter their images in a manipulative way. They tell you that rejection is expected and everyone has "off nights", but the truth is that this stuff actually isn't as effective as they'd have you believe. They do this so they can still be seen as experts, but they seem more believable because they don't shy away from discussing failure. And if you're failing they'll just tell you it's your fault, so you end up not considering that maybe what they teach is just trash. Another of RSD's instructors, RSD Max, actually gets kicked out of clubs by bouncers, guys start fights with him, etc etc due to overall creepy behavior, talking to taken women and whatnot, but they won't tell you this.
Don't believe the hype. Just lift weights, dress well, put yourself out there, treat meeting women like loot box gambling and don't be insufferable. That is all. Stay woke boys.
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The thing is that alt.seduction.fast relied more on heavy NLP/conversational hypnosis type stuff- that's why it worked so effectively. For whatever reason that stuff has fallen out of favor, and I think that's why PUA is overall just a joke in modern times. I would recommend people look into it if they're desperate to learn something.