19edf1 No.561317
I have to gear up for a battle over why transgenderism is bad.
I need as many theological and secular proofs as I can get here. Would you mind helping a brother out?
952d9a No.561320
>>561317
This is not a sound way to approach any theological question.
ce6d61 No.561364
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/one-way-to-debunk-transgender-philosophy
When it comes to (((secular))) arguments, you can research suicide statistics among transgenders or check if it's not the case that most regret the change. Just keep in mind that most likely liberals are not going to change their mind, because muh liberty
affaf9 No.561376
People nowadays are all about "being true to yourself" and self-acceptance. Often they even use that argument in favor of transgenderism (i.e., transgender people need to be "true to themselves" and dress in womens clothing etc.). Instead, flip that argument around. Tell people that they should love their bodies and be true to themselves—the entirety of themselves, not just what goes on in their head. Be true to what you are both inside and out.
6522c5 No.561385
>>561317
If there are an infinite number of genders, what, then, does gender mean?
In any case, this is something I've been formulating for a while. Don't know how sound/cogent it is. It might help.
If you have an equation (Society) that has a variable (Gender) with infinite possibilities ("There are infinite genders"), how can the equation be solved to satisfaction? It will be different every time one solves it, and therefore cannot be used to form a solid societal foundation. A society cannot function, nor can ever function, with a cog that has an ever-changing number of gear teeth. Now, one might say, how can this be when every person is different and represents themselves differently? Well, yes, but there are not an infinite number of persons demanding an infinite number of requests from a society.
Also, OP, if you can find a way to read this: https://www.firstthings.com/article/2016/12/vulgar-deconstruction
I highly recommend it. Or this one: https://www.firstthings.com/article/2016/12/transgender-conformity
They're all from the same issue.
8c95ee No.561387
>>561317
Your post is vague. Is this for a school debate? Or do you have a friend or family member who thinks they're trans?
6522c5 No.561406
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>>561317
Also, maybe watch some Jordan Peterson.
a95460 No.561409
>>561317
You should be approaching this with the mindset of showing why queerness or sodomy is bad. There is no need to distinguish amongst them, the answer is the same in all cases with queers.
687e3c No.561471
>"do not be effeminate"
<pretty sure its ok to be effeminate
>Adam fell because of his effeminacy
<but there isn't really anything wrong with it
hmmmmmm
19edf1 No.561478
>>561387
It's a debate between me and an anap on the 'net around why it's bad the UMC appointed a trans bishop.
>>561406
>>561385
>>561376
>>561364
Thank you very much.
>>561320
What do you mean?
Would there be a better way to approach this?
fbfb91 No.561480
>>561317
Point out that there is no morality without God and that with God whatever God says is immoral is immoral
f3dabf No.561485
>>561317
Explain the basic science of chromosomes then scream the story of Sodom and Gomorrah while slapping people with your Bible and pounding your fist on the table until it breaks. This shouldn't even be a debate. It's insane, Satanic, and perverted.
952d9a No.561505
>>561478
Yeah, to try to discern the question, rather than starting with a conclusion.
092722 No.561506
>>561480
I personally disagree, not that you're wrong about morality, but trannys are particularly jaded, unloved and empty people who hate themselves, so any they just tune out requirements or expectations. These are people who live for lustful vanity, to pass as deception is their life goal, and even when they do it doesn't last long. All those obvious spiritual voids could benefit from understanding the helpfulness of boundaries, but they believe no God can love them in the terrible state that they are, nor that what they consider harassment against their entrenched identity is correcting for their own good. It's difficult for them to understand that God wants what is best for them. It's a really tragic, unstable, isolated and mislead community.
092722 No.561508
>>561478
>What do you mean?
>Would there be a better way to approach this?
Not him but this sounds more like a political debate than a spiritual one. Unless these tranny leftist (i'm guessing) believe in God/the spiritual world, they're not going to believe in a christian foundation at all. The harm that comes from sin and it's connections to death, the effect our actions have on spirits, the satanic agenda pushing for an androgynous baphomet gender lifestyle using tyrannies to a global government isn't going to convince the average leftist.
af58dd No.561548
I always see trans as demons.
The pretty ones are more like succubi leading young men astray and the ugly ones are obviously hideous monsters inside and out.
7bb056 No.561554
We should not be feeding into the delusions of the mentally ill, we should be helping them with their troubles and shepherding them towards practices that are in their best interests. For clergymen to represent this delusion, embodying one of the major marks of decadence and sin in the modern world, that is inexcusable.
e02caf No.561585
>>561317
Transgenderism or "gender dysphoria" is a mental disorder. It is an ailment of the mind.
They have a voice in their head saying "You should have been born a girl". Saying "trannies are bad" is literally like saying skitzophrenics are bad.
And denying a person is sick does not heal them.
We cannot cure their pain, we can only seek to lessen it through acceptance.
If you really want to say it's bad, the best argument is that we should not treat mental illness with surgery.
e02caf No.561587
>>561554
>We should not be feeding into their mental illness
What illness has EVER been better treated through judgement than acceptance?
e02caf No.561588
>>561506
What's the best way to treat the cast out and unloved?
e02caf No.561592
>>561376
I'm so tired of judgemental Papist scum destroying great things just because they don't jive with whatever brand of morality is in fashion that season.
7e2dd4 No.561607
>>561592
Be charitable to Rome anon.
e02caf No.561613
>>561607
Does the most powerful religious institution in creation need my charity?
de7160 No.561617
>>561587
Nice false dichotomy.
As for trannies, the best discourse against trannies is mockery. Lots and lots of mockery. Just pictures of trannies will do, because their mere appearance is a mockery unto itself.
e02caf No.561627
>>561617
Judge not lest ye be judged.
Post a picture of yourself unclothed, full frontal. Not pornographic, simply an image of your body.
7bb056 No.561629
>>561627
>asking for unsolicited nudes on a Mongolian fingerpainting symposium with a Christian focus
e02caf No.561636
>>561629
You're a flabby manlet.
I'm no more interested in seeing you nude than you are in a position to judge others looks.
A lot of trans are very attractive btw.
7e2dd4 No.561640
>>561613
Yep, cause you're commanded to be so to all.
de7160 No.561643
>>561627
>he thinks I meant nude pictures
Go back to >>>/reddit/
7bb056 No.561644
>>561636
>he insults anonymous individuals as ego masturbation
>he finds this attractive
e02caf No.561653
>>561644
That picture is a joke and so are you.
e1c233 No.561680
>>561317
If someone says "my hand is not actually my hand, cut it off" should a doctor do so? No, it's not the hand that is the problem but the person's perception of it.
a6fb29 No.562143
>>561317
Listen to the Word on Fire show on labeling. He brings up a lot of argument on why transgenderism is bad
202262 No.562210
>>561364
>https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/one-way-to-debunk-transgender-philosophy
>Advocates of transgenderism argue that our sexed bodies have nothing to do with our personal identity
This isn't really true at all. They argue that gender identity itself is a biological fact, which doesn't always correspond to chromosomal sex.
a2fbd7 No.562219
>>561653
>Anglican calling anything a joke
>Literally created by a sociopathic king who wanted to divorce
>Having woman and LGBTBBQ 'priests' and same-sex 'marriage'
At least when a baptist of someone says this it could be regarded as mean, but this?
This is just sad.
5ead09 No.562247
same reason any form of self-deception is bad.
also it's associated with high rates of depression and suicide, also men injecting female hormones and vice versa is unhealthy.
d3c136 No.562588
It's literally gnosticism.
d76de8 No.563195
I am female to male trans and still deeply Christian
The points that are brought up from everyone here and elsewhere are valid and hold truth to them, and while there are exceptions to the rules within the community,99% are indeed absolute degenerates. They lead lives full of arrogance, self indulgence, hypocrisy, and trespasses against each other fueled by greed and envy. Their lgbt status becomes their entire identity and there is not much room for anything else that might be of substance. I have lost most of my friends as I watched them transform into the very thing they claimed to hate. What is called 'the community' is in reality, the most toxic environment I have ever been in.
I have had others say to me "oh but what about you?! Doesn't that prove that the stereotypes are wrong then?" No it doesn't, and that is an example of grasping at straws if I ever saw one.
a2fbd7 No.563198
>>563195
>I am female to male trans and still deeply Christian
I got bad news for you.
12d2d8 No.563220
>>563195
>I am female to male trans and still deeply Christian
You've got a surprise coming sister
279c2e No.563242
>>563195
Post pic of yourself because I don’t believe you
7719ac No.563397
When someone has a schizoid break from reality where they believe they are something that they physically are not, such as Napoleon, or Joan of Arc, or fat when they're actually starving (anorexia), the accepted form of treatment is to try to bring them BACK to reality.
Unless of course they think they are the opposite SEX gender doesn't exist in animals, it's a linguistic term that describes words, such as "ellas" or "ellos" in Spanish, in which case, the accepted form of treatment is … accommodating their madness?
Make no mistake, this phenom is mental illness, and the encouragement of it pure Satan working in the world. and so-called "trans kids" are an expression of Munchausen by Proxy
5d2e7d No.563424
3d92c0 No.566590
>>561317
Explain how chromosomes work in humans.
That's it.
basic biology.