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f8c05f No.560664

For Cats only (maybe orthos):

Has anyone read the Cloud of Unknowing, and applies it? Anyone who regularly practices contemplative prayer?

I've skimmed through most of the book, and it seems to be basically explaining why having nothing in your head is a good way to approach God, but not too much about the practice. My practice is simply just to focus on my breathing, and discard any thoughts that come to mind.

This is pretty similar to many other meditative techniques, especially in eastern religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism. We also have other similarities such as using prayer beads to recite prayers, which can also help people to get into a meditative state (although probably not as strong as without using vocal prayer, which the Cloud of Unknowing does mention as well).

My question is - since there are many who also pursue "meditation" (contemplation for us, as meditation for us is active thoughts on sacred mysteries or scripture), without faith in the true God Christ, and they do achieve some benefits such as better concentration, relaxation, etc, and some also who pursue it more, get lead on a path of false conclusions - their practice seems to reaffirm their Dharmic/Karmic worldviews that they somewhat set out with before they start to practice it.

My question is, what is really the difference between the Christian practice and the Eastern Dharmic practice as such, other than going in with different ideas of what we are looking for. Also, if the Christian takes this practice and is reaffirmed that Christ is truth, but the Hindu or Buddhist does the same and it reaffirms their previous held beliefs, it seems a bit suspicious.

I would expect that the Dharmic paths would not lead to anywhere as much as people seeking for God "through the front gate" with Christ. But again it seems like the practice itself is similar, just the subtle mindset that you have before going into the practice.

The cloud of unknowing doesn't seem to talk about watching your breath, which is something I have heard from Dharmic practices, although it is not a super unique thing - but it does seem like one of the more simpler ways to keep the "Cloud of Unknowing", by focusing your mind on something and not allowing yourself to have conscious thoughts about other matters.

a79559 No.560689

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In my understanding the difference is intent. We mortify our flesh and deny our selves so God can enter out lives, Buddhists for example deny their selves to kill their selves. Being autistic about physical exercise is retarded when its all about the intent of the soul in question.


e694e0 No.560763

>>560762

Wait, are you saying the people meditating are under prelest, or that anon is under prelest?


c8eff7 No.560773

>>560763

don't mind him. Orthos are jelly of our superior spiritual gifts so they constantly have to call all western saints deceived people under prelest to feel better about themselves


d9486b No.560826

>>560773

The instant I heard a Catholic tell me about "Saint" Francis of Assisi I knew he was under prelest

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c8eff7 No.560828

>>560763

see >>560823

>>560826

I rest my case, they are literally seething


c8eff7 No.560848

>>560842

why are you strawmanning me so hard, anon-san?


c8eff7 No.560850

>>560849

>Latin spirituality is infinitely inferior to Coptic and Byzantine spirituality.

(you)

>Even today, your Latin Catholics are fleeing to Eastern Catholics because they prefer the spirituality and theology there.

proofs? I for one am certainly not doing that


f8c05f No.560854

>>560689

I wouldn't say it is necessarily that different. For a Hindu person, it is to be reunited with God, which is similar to some extent of the Christian path, except for the pathesim part. For Buddhists, they usually don't hold a killing of themselves as such. Though they deny a "self" they claim reaching nirvana/nibbana is a state of being which is not eternal or not destruction either. It's actually supposed to be an non-contingent reality, which is what we view God to be, as per St. Thomas Aquinas.

The main point though is that if the practice is almost identical, the only difference is going in, we believe in Christ, so we see the truth, versus, someone who is agnostic gets deluded?


12870e No.560859

>>560846

Weren't the Spiritual Exercises described by St. Ignatius of Loyola written precisely to combat prelest?


4a49ac No.560895

>>560859

>encouraging imagination

>not prelest

lmao


12870e No.560908

>>560895

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatian_spirituality

Please point out to me the imaginative components in this practice.


27c0f3 No.560914

>My question is, what is really the difference between the Christian practice and the Eastern Dharmic practice as such

They have different explanations for why the results occur and in a few instances call upon different beings.

Related this, lengthy repetition of words especially when combined with hunger/stress/sensory deprivation is a really effective way of triggering euphoria, sense of contentment and occasionally love. Even the Scientologists make effective use of this.

For me the difficulty comes in telling the difference between divine or demonic interference and simply a mechanical product of the human body similar to how drugs work

Real comfy book btw




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