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3fa321 No.559633

This phenomenon is growing in all denominations. Is this a good thing? Is it OK? Can it be done in an orthodox way?

607857 No.559635

Orthos will usually have a hate boner for it, but I don't have as much of a problem with it if there is pastoral oversight and it doesn't enter the liturgy. There are though I think likely ways that it would necessarily change to fit into Orthodox beliefs


ee49d2 No.559713

>>559635

recent convert perhaps?


607857 No.559736

>>559713

Recent converts are the people who's butts would be hurt over Charismatics


b73453 No.559756

>>559635

>>559736

Are you seriously implying that you don’t have a problem with Pentecostalism being integrated into Orthodoxy?


3fa321 No.559757

Oh, just for the record, I meant small o orthodoxy here, but the Orthodox discussion is def interesting as well.


607857 No.559773

File: 224df6f9b860dca⋯.png (159 KB, 1896x555, 632:185, nope.PNG)

>>559756

Charismatic and Pentecostal aren't the same thing. One thing that is important is whether Charismaticism implies tongues, which I haven't had a consistent answer to, and I am opposed to so called speaking in tongues


b170fe No.559774

>>559756

t.recent convert


7a2f0a No.559775

Speaking tongues is biblical ask the holy spirit for it


607857 No.559789

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>559775

okyday


0f5345 No.559835

File: 0d836178d502987⋯.jpg (216.1 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 1508558105723.jpg)

>>559775

Read that part of Acts again and then read further into the New Testament.

1. During Pentecost the believers spoke in languages that they had no way of knowing. It wasn't mindless babble.

2. Without an interpreter one is to KEEP SILENT. If no interpreter is present then what good is it doing the congregation?

People consistently miss point #2 and misinterpret #1.


ee49d2 No.559841


607857 No.559891

>>559841

>OrthodoxInfo

>FrSeraphim

Its like a two for one special


340748 No.559908

File: 3781ca8a9b25b47⋯.png (390.12 KB, 743x475, 743:475, Prayboy.png)

File: ec5efeded149247⋯.webm (5.73 MB, 624x474, 104:79, GLooooorryyy.webm)

Charismatics as in people asking the Holy Spirit to fill them with more feelings of love? That's a nice thing as God knows peoples hearts are so very cold nowadays. Charismatics as in protestants faking the gift of tongues and then get swooned by rabid hysteria and then pass that off as a work of the holy spirit? No. Get that away from me.


caf3ae No.559913

File: fd7db0f215e5762⋯.gif (452.2 KB, 500x386, 250:193, nunya buisness.gif)

>>559908

That's pretty much nun porn, anon.


340748 No.559917

>>559913

By that logic you are posting something far worse.


caf3ae No.559924

File: da057d54f331f2b⋯.jpg (55.23 KB, 800x520, 20:13, som_laughing_nuns-800x520.jpg)

>>559917

fake implied violence =/= an actual nun in a swimsuit.


c520e5 No.559963

File: 650f3dd00700c4c⋯.jpg (17.31 KB, 260x273, 20:21, 1493006745314.jpg)

ITT americans


a330ce No.559993

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>>559908

>That Israel flag in the .webm


441c84 No.560002

>>559924

>>559913

you're like that crazy baptist succubi worshipper please fug off


d3428b No.560013

File: a981b01c170338c⋯.jpg (7.85 KB, 250x238, 125:119, yourdumb.jpg)

>>559908

>the pretend spastic americlapping


ee49d2 No.560021

>>559891

yeah it’s a lot of content referencing many church teachings, fathers and elders, so I understand if it is beyond your reading comprehension. no rush, just read it in manageable parts at a time. good luck lad


5ea064 No.560030

What are the charismatics? Can somebody give me a quick rundown on them?


5ea064 No.560047

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d_kAWyOgRo

Is this autism? A congregation for retards? Why are they flopping around on the floor like a fish out of water?


607857 No.560057

File: 7b29f7a628c6fc0⋯.png (213.19 KB, 480x360, 4:3, ClipboardImage.png)

>>560021

lol butthurt


a69ab2 No.560074

>>559633

Baloney. Even in Catholicism, it never existed until 50 years ago.


b9f9a6 No.560092

My problem isn't with the whole "speaking in tongues" thing directly - even Orthodox saints have spoken in tongues, not as a way to evangelize to those who speak another language, but as a divine language that no one else can interpret. My problem is that their "speaking in tongues" is most likely of a demonic nature, both because studies have shown that they're just doing random blabbling based on their own linguistic expectations, and because the apostle Paul strongly warned against speaking in tongues in the open like that, specifically because, if they really are speaking in tongues, then it must only be between them and God if there's no one to interpret, and they'll drive away onlookers otherwise. "Speaking in tongues" during a liturgy when it's not a real language that somebody else can understand is probably demonic if you're not doing your best to avoid doing it in front of others like that.

Incidentally, I went to a Pentecostal service yesterday afternoon, and I was deeply disappointed. Besides the unrestrained dancing and "speaking in tongues," which shows absolutely no reverence, there was very little actual Bible in their service as well. OK, singing about how much you love Jesus and how much you want His Holy Spirit for over half of the service is cute, but when I'm going to worship God, I expect to hear the beautiful sound of the Scriptures ring in my ears, and there was very, very, very little of it. It made me seriously miss the Divine Liturgy, if only to actually hear the Scriptures.


ee49d2 No.560136

>>560057

recent convert perhaps?


607857 No.560138

>>560136

Not everyone who isn't crazy about Rose is a new convert


49dd6f No.560140

>>559774

"Charismatic revivalist" perhaps?


ee49d2 No.560182

>>560138

ok, explains a lot. thanks


0d46c0 No.560553

>>559835

there's also a passage where its claimed that people sometimes speak in the tongue of angels. But you're correct, without an interpreter you're supposed to keep it to yourself


b84fe8 No.560711

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>559908

>that webm




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