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Yes I too have read James

Don't think so

>For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Are purely spiritual beings, whose minds are unmuddled by the flesh, capable of actually repenting?

Well they have no faith so I mean I guess not.

>>557509

Demons don't want to be forgiven. They, like Judas, won't be saved if they continue down their paths of refusal.

They find value in refusal and being beholden only to their nature rather than morals, and being that by betraying God this has become their sole nature, unlike men, it would be impossible for them to repent and be saved.

>>557516

>>557522

repenting is works!

Nope they don't embody their faith and live it. Their faith is just mental assent to historic/theological facts. That saves no one.

Only those who love God and keep his commandments and repent and bear good fruit can have eternal life – Jesus

No; they made a decision and, since they are purely spiritual being, their choice was "perfect", as with no ways to back up after it. So, while yes, they believe in God, they also hate Him with an unlimited hatred and cannot recover from that decision.

Aren't demons angels who got booted out of heaven? If they want back in they'd have to negotiate a new contract.

>>557524

Do you think one can get to Heaven while actively hating God?

>>557516

Repenting? sounds like works tbh, i'm the elect why do i need to repent?

>>557509

Uh, they haven't accepted repented of their sins and accepted Jesus into their hearts to be their Lord and Saviour, so no

Too stupid not to be bait, saged

>>557580

>Uh, they haven't accepted repented of their sins and accepted Jesus into their hearts to be their Lord and Saviour, so no

That sounds like a whole load of works to me, are you Cathol*c?

>>557580

Demons cannot repent, because they are eternal. Same reason God is unchangeable.

>>557587

>eternal

Until they find themselves in fire and brimstone along with their wicked human allies that is.

Demons can't be saved as they made their rejection of God outside of space time with their full beatific vision. It is irrevocable.

But yes they do indeed know Jesus is God and their master

>>557568

this

>>557597

Why would they do that?

>>557614

Because they hate God and everything and lust for corruption.

>>557533

So you mean they wont ever be saved even if they stop to hate God or that they will just hate God forever because that is their way?

>>557617

Dude, you do know that we believe that what good works god started in you IE faith, he will lead to completion IE fruits of that faith. The works are not to be trusted in but give evidence of a lively 'true' faith.

>>557509

They don't trust in Christ to save them, which is the doctrine of sola fide. If sola fide meant that merely casually believing Jesus is God who died, was buried, and resurrected is enough to save you, then people who believe in sola fide would believe that Catholics and Mormons are saved. People who believe in sola fide don't think Catholics or Mormons are saved, because sola fide refers to putting your trust in grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Sola fide isn't like a magic spell or word where if you say "I believe" or casually accept certain aspects of the life of Christ and your soul is suddenly whisked to Heaven whether you want it to or not

>Are demons saved?

More importantly are you saved?

Question: What does /christian/ think demons actually are? Fallen angels or spirits of Nephilim or what?

>>557759

Fallen Angels. Its in the bible.

I mean, that's easy stuff.

>>557762

Fair enough, can't argue with that. And Nephilim I would have to presume are in Hell?

>>557587

>they're not like us because they're eternal

>says the man with the immortal soul

>>557695

This

>>557587

>they're not like us because they're eternal

>says the man with the immortal soul

>>557776

>>557938

>false flagger spotted

>>557768

Kek, why would nephilim even exist? Demons are just angels with bad intentions. They can't reproduce. Atleast that's what i understand from the fact that there's a finite number of angels and demons.

>>558010

Are you saying Nephilim don't exist at all or why should they exist today?

>>558137

this

the reason why is because there is a difference between believing in and accepting Jesus. Jesus once said "For even Satan himself believes in God…" that isnt to say that Satan has decided to be a christian, but that mere belief is not salvation. Acceptance and confirmation that Jesus is Lord is the way to eternal life with God. Demons accept that God is very real, and very terrifying for them - but they do not accept Christ as their lord, but rather Satan as their lord.

>live strong my people :)

>>557647

to be honest, I don't know if that would be possible - but God tends to make the most impossible, possible. My answer would be no. From the events of Lazarus in Luke, we learn that the chasm between heaven and hell is immeasurable, and "too far to reach" meaning that the state of the dead is permanent. These fallen angels chose their path, and understood they would have spiritual death - separation from God. Salvation is granted to God's children, the living. The dead and spiritually dead alike are not eligible for salvation.

>>557597

>space time

I'll hit you with my sandal if you ever post this again.

>>557768

"Nephilim in Hebrew means "fallen" or "feller". Nephilim were regarded as supermen by those who encountered them. Scripture says they became so wicked in the Pre-Flood world that God despaired of ever making them. Apocrypha says they displayed uncanny superhuman powers, worshipped strange gods and birthed monsters." I propose that they were of neanderthal-sapien offspring.

"I can remember reading back in 1988 in this book I had debunking scripture that the author was laughing at how stupid people were that they didn't realise the Nephilim are described in Hebrew not as fallen angels but as lumberjacks. This secular author was pointing out that people can't even properly translate Hebrew but they claim to understand it. He reiterated … "Nephilim" in literal translation means strong men who fell trees. "Fellers.""

Stuff on quotation is not my own but from another source, one I like to read.

>>558010

>why would nephilim even exist?

They're mentioned in the Bible, the argument is whether they're half angel or not

>>558200

Why?

Space time.

>>558226

They're giants, kiddo.

>>557541

That would be blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, so no.

>>558304

I wasn't saying they were half angels I was saying some people think they were as apposed to thinking they were fully demon

>Demons believe God exists and that Jesus Christ died and was resurrected

The English word "believe" has two senses:

1) To give intellectual assent to a proposition as true. For example, if I said, "Nice day today, isn't it?" and you heard that statement, and agreed, and nodded, you would believe that it is a nice day. That would be a matter of opinion. If I said, "It's 27 degrees today," and you looked at a thermometer, and saw that it is indeed 27 degrees, and agreed, and nodded, you would believe that it is 27 degrees. That is a matter of fact. There are thus two types of belief: opinion and knowledge. We'll come back to that after looking at the second sense of "believe."

2) To have trust in someone or something. For example, if I was away on a business trip with another salesman, and he asked me, "Aren't you worried that your wife will cheat on you while you're away?" I would say, "No. I believe in her." In this sense, to "believe in" means to trust. I'm not saying that my wife exists. I'm saying that I trust her. This brings us to the third type of belief: faith.

Your misunderstanding relies on your conflating of these two senses, and the conflating of the three types of belief. Belief in the Resurrection is not the means by which Jesus saves us through opinion, or knowledge, but by faith.

>are they saved? if so why not ib4 muh works.

They "believe in" the Resurrection in the first sense, but they don't "believe in" the Resurrection in the second sense. They know the Resurrection took place, but they have no faith in it.

Demons know that the Resurrection took place, but they refuse Jesus anyway. They have committed the one unforgivable sin, and blasphemed against the Holy Spirit. So no, demons are not saved.

>>558383

Oh, oh. Or…they're degenerate offsprings of Sethites and Cainites and thus "nephilim" aka "fallen" to denote degenerate society that was created due to this intermixing and whole angel involvement in this story is a bad, retarded meme….

Angels are spiritual beings, but the more powerful ones can synthesize matter seemingly at will. To this day, demons can still synthesize organic substances like blood, bile, and feces out of thin air in extreme cases of possession and infestation. Hypothetically there's no reason why a particularly powerful demon couldn't synthesize quasi-human DNA and "mate" with a human female to produce "hybrid" offspring, although the DNA would be a product of demonic synthesis rather than being demonic DNA per se since demons don't have DNA. Obviously demons can't do this anymore if they ever could. I'd speculate that God imprisoned the demons with that power or restricted the power itself after the Deluge. I'm not saying that's what the Genesis narrates, though. The hybrid idea might very well have originated in the paraliterature like Enoch.

>>558351

>They "believe in" the Resurrection

The Bible never says that actually. It only says they believe there is one God.