e955cd No.557250
Is there a form of Christianity that will "save" me without me having to give up any sins or perform deeds? For example something I can simply have faith in without having to do works or avoid sin and still be saved? I dunno what that would be called or if this idea is blasphemy…something apart from works…cause I am weak!
Cause God made girls much too tempting and irresistible to lust over.
b84c69 No.557251
>>557250
It's called being Baptist.
c9b95e No.557252
>>557250
It's called the baptist church. pro-tip: it won't actually save you.
(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST) eb5289 No.557258
c'mon guys
God probably chooses the weakest people to join his Catholic Church cause he knows we need all the help we can get
615c4b No.557261
>>557252
But when I post "there's no Salvation in the Catholic church", I get banned.
Nice.
b84c69 No.557265
>>557261
This was a question thread. Just giving honest responses. .
cea5d4 No.557266
f65e38 No.557267
>>557261
A church won't save you, faith will.
dc4859 No.557272
>salvation without a behavioral shift
Is such a thing possible?
dc4859 No.557273
472d59 No.557274
>>557267
Faith won't save you, only Grace will. Matthew 7:21
046ea5 No.557282
Shortcuts lead to Hell my dude.
f65e38 No.557286
>>557274
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
472d59 No.557287
>>557286
>and not that of yourselves
So, we agree.
15b3b6 No.557291
It's called apostasy.
Seriously though just take the sacraments and let God take care of the rest. If you let him he will conform you to his will.
f65e38 No.557292
>>557287
I'm not an Arminian if that's what you mean.
94d9ad No.557293
Read James on this. LARPy faith ain't faith.
615c4b No.557294
>>557293
This is a nice change; it's usually Catholics who pull out James in ignorance.
92e89c No.557295
Repent or perish. Why don't you try getting married?
dc4859 No.557298
>>557295
Lusting after your wife is a sin
92e89c No.557299
>>557298
That's wrong and vaguely gnostic, though. Paul instructs Christians to marry as an alternative to burning with desire. Presumably, he means marriage is meant to channel lust.
94d9ad No.557300
>>557294
> What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
If you're targeting dead faith, you ain't got faith.
085902 No.557304
dc4859 No.557306
>>557299
No. You're supposed to love your wife purely, and sex is for procreation, not mix lust into it, and other carnal perversions!!!
f65e38 No.557308
>>557300
If you've got faith but you are not giving to the naked and destitute that which is necessary to the body, merely saying "be fed" then your faith is dead and it won't profit anybody or save them. Even if you say you have it, that won't help them. If our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost.
Also, thanks at least for quoting verses 15 and 16 so I don't have to do it.
92e89c No.557314
>>557306
Would you mind explaining how one is even supposed to do the deed withiut first feeling desire?
dc4859 No.557319
>>557314
Purely mechanical with the intent to procreate, short and to the point. Don't fondle or kiss parts like the breasts since that is unnatural and pointless for making babies, aka sodomy.
2d8152 No.557324
>>557308
Them refers to the one who claims faith (a faith that won't save). This corresponds to the great commandment and Luke 4.
92e89c No.557325
>>557319
Have you read Song of Solomon, may I ask?
2d8152 No.557326
>>557319
Honestly who teaches this
f65e38 No.557330
>>557324
>a faith that won't save
Hmm, not seeing that here. Have you read Romans? Yes though, we ought to be found faithful in the eyes of man, but nevertheless it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, for I judge not mine own self. 1 Corinthians 4:1-4.
085902 No.557331
>>557325
Song of Solomon is about God's love for Israel
2d8152 No.557340
>>557330
Don't jump books just yet. The him in "can the faith save him?" is αὐτόν - which is singular. The one in jeopardy is the one with dead faith, not the one in need.
f65e38 No.557341
>>557340
>The him in "can the faith save him?" is αὐτόν - which is singular.
Though a man SAY he have faith. James 2:14. Who is he speaking to?
James 2:18
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
2d8152 No.557353
>>557341
Right. Works make faith visible and you are commanded to do them. Put the soteriology aside for a sec and just agree to that
b03773 No.557356
>>557341
>who he talking to??
>works are just to convince other folks youre saved
Maybe the grandwitness is God and he wants to see your works if you tell yourself you have faith, where are your works?
f65e38 No.557358
>>557353
Of course man. And if a saved man sins in not doing good works, they will be chastised by our Father. James 2 has a perfectly good reason for being there.
>>557356
Romans 4:1-5 is also true. James 2 is about justifying your faith to others, which is important for them. Not everything is about you.
f836e5 No.557367
>>557252
>It's called the baptist church. pro-tip: it won't actually save you.
After getting faith out of the clear blue sky, I asked God to help me finding a parish and He lead me to a baptist church.
I'm 100 % sure Bible-believing people get saved.
ef6934 No.557382
>>557274
>faith won't save you
>*posts a verse proving it's faith alone8
What did he mean by this
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
dd753b No.557385
>>557367
> I asked God to help me finding a parish and He lead me to a baptist church.
how, if I may ask
f836e5 No.557395
>>557385
I avoided Christianity mostly, because I'm not fond of joining a state church (the two major denominations require a Christian to register his beliefs with the (((state))), so he can be persecuted more easily later).
Thank god I then stumbled over a small baptist parish near my place, which I never knew it existed at all in my country.
b84c69 No.557398
30f88a No.557408
>>557395
Same here amigo. I recently became Christian, watched some pastor anderson over the summer, decided to join a church but in such a Liberal city as downtown Toronto I thought I just give up. God led me to a Bible Believing Church near my house that focuses on Christian Apologetics and evangelize, helped in my many debates at Engineering university to help people find the light.
I'll just plug them, they hate feminists, hate communists and talk about how cultural Marxism infiltrated society and broke down the Christian family unit and are not afraid to preach against sodomites or trans-sexual.
I'll just leave a plug for them.
https://www.ezrainstitute.ca/
b03773 No.557439
>sola fide!
>except if u do sodomy
Checks out
e0307d No.557489
>>557439
Sola fide no exceptions. And sodomites are so wicked and corrupt they cannot believe. We don't think true-believing sodomites don't get saved, we believe true-believing sodomites don't exist
2d8152 No.557493
ac18d2 No.557498
>>557261
You're not a christian, you're only here as a guest.
(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST) b03773 No.557501
>>557489
>faith alone but you have to avoid x , y , z
>faith alone but…
So u don't believe in actual faith alone
2d8152 No.557502
>>557498
Let's be nice to the Baptists, hopefully we're all back together one day.
f65e38 No.557507
>>557501
A beast can't have faith though. Everyone knows that.
942b9b No.557520
>>557507
>some humans aren't human because [insert obscure bible interpretation which allows me to be saved without changing my behavior yet renders others humans non-human and can't be saved because of their behavior]
Who teaches people this nonsense?
f65e38 No.557523
>>557520
Without are dogs.
b84c69 No.557659
>>557493
Oh snap! Baptists on suicide watch.
0a7b26 No.557660
>>557520
>God gives them up
>God gives them over
>God gives them up
>They're reprobate
>I think they can still get saved
9122aa No.557665
>>557660
>romans 1:23-25
>idolaters…god gave them up…
So anyone guilty of idolatry, ever, is given up on, forever. According to your reading.
2/10 bait
9d4ffe No.557669
>>557660
Your pride has blinded you to the truth. None of us are righteous, not one. Who then can be saved? With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
0a7b26 No.557670
>>557665
>he can't read
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
0a7b26 No.557671
>>557669
>but with God all things are possible.
God has to be on your side though.
806aa8 No.557675
By their fruits you shall know them!
Also, the answer for your question is the Baptist Church.
0a7b26 No.557677
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
b84c69 No.557680
>>557677
Diagram is too simple. You need to update it for those homosexuals that trust in the finished work of Christ.
b749ef No.557694
>>557250
seriously /pol/lacks, leave this board alone
0a7b26 No.557700
>>557680
Those don't exist though
9d4ffe No.557706
>>557671
God is on all of our sides. Jesus died for our sins, and the grace of God brings salvation for all men. There are none so reprobate that God may not save them.
e0307d No.557709
>>557680
Homosexuals who believe in Christ? Should we also have a space for fairies, unicorns, or leprechauns?
0a7b26 No.557711
>>557706
>God is on all of our sides.
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD hath rejected them.
Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
0a7b26 No.557713
>>557709
Unicorns are real though
Numbers 23:22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.
Numbers 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.
Deuteronomy 33:17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
Job 39:9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
Job 39:10 Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
Psalms 22:21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
Psalms 29:6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
Psalms 92:10 But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
Isaiah 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
e0307d No.557715
>>557713
I'm obviously talking about this kind of unicorn in this case though
22f1db No.557742
>>557250
>saved without having to give up sins
Smells like heresy
0a7b26 No.557748
>>557742
>i can somehow completely stop sinning
22f1db No.557867
>>557748
We're all fallible, and we all make mistakes, but if you aren't even going to make an effort, then you're putting yourself and your selfish earthly desires above God
9122aa No.558000
>>557748
>u don't have to stop being a fornicator, adulterer, theif, murderer, or faggot to be saved!!! U just have to tone down the sinning a bit!!
Thought u new christians believed in sola fide, apart from works…. not salvation by behavior change and faith.
54f262 No.558019
>>557748
You can't. Nobody can. But we have to try anyway.
f65e38 No.558021
>>558000
Who are you quoting?
u
79b904 No.558071
Can a catholic tell me how I can get to heaven, I'm genuinely curious about your beliefs
ef6934 No.558085
>>558071
First one is what the Bible says second one most catholics say is accurate
dd753b No.558092
>>558085
but don't Catholics go to heaven anyway when the left is all you need?
ef6934 No.558093
>>558092
No because they don't put their faith ON Christ. They try to throw works in their also.
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Luke 18
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
0fa53c No.558115
>>557675
>that webm
god bless the baptist church
dd753b No.558120
>>558093
why would you do works if you don't put your faith on Christ?
dd753b No.558124
catholic: I have faith in Christ, hence I do these works
baptist: they do works with no faith so catholics go to hell!
so how do baptists know catholics have no faith? and if catholics do have faith, that means they get to go to heaven right?
c5689e No.558126
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>557675
i didn't hear the angry woman say her denomination.
98% sure the guy with the camera is (reformed) baptist though since it's from jeff durbin's outfit.
guy has indomitable patience.
b84c69 No.558132
85e8cc No.558188
>>557694
This has nothing to do with /pol/.
Seriously though, redditors leave this board.
a37cac No.558194
nobody has commented on the thumbnail?
ef6934 No.558201
>>558120
They rely on their works and not in Christ. They still belive he exists of course
ef6934 No.558202
>>558124
Because they're relying on being a good boi and not on Christ >>558093
1c35ce No.558204
>>557675
>If you aren't a woman you can't say that my act of killing an innocent is what it is!
Why are Christian lobbies in America so small when children don't have their full rights?
dd753b No.558231
>>558201
…communion, confession, and baptism would not work at all without it being with the authority of Christ. You know this, right? basic catholicism here.
>>558202
You don't take in the flesh and blood of Christ anyway, how can you say this?
b749ef No.558239
27bcd4 No.558413
>>558126
>Didn't hear her denomination
But isn't what she is saying exactly what sola fide & sola gratia stand for?
>That sodomite shaking with anger upon hearing incontestable truth.
God have mercy on us.
500d34 No.558414
>>557250
I think Antinomian is what you're looking for. It's I think Greek for anti/against law. They believed that as long as you had faith you could do whatever you wanted and as long as you had faith you will enter heaven.
Of course this was a heresy that the reformation denied and fought against. But you definitely won't be saved by joining this demonic religion.
Come join the reformed baptist church. God will help you every step of the way as long as you put your full trust in him. The fruits will be evident later.
c61393 No.558417
>>558414
> They believed that as long as you had faith you could do whatever you wanted and as long as you had faith you will enter heaven.
>Come join our new church which preaches the same, except maybe one day you will bear good fruit, maybe not, tbh it doesn't matter much once your salvation is secured via your justification by faith alone.
c5689e No.558420
>>558413
sort of, if we're being disingenuous here, but an actual baptist (Christian) isn't going to say
>"well, i'm saved so i can do whatever sin i want xd, take that, stupid God!"
for the same reason an actual catholic (Christian) isn't going to say
>"well, i can just confess and seek absolution afterward, so i can do whatever sin i want xd, take that, stupid God!"
>>558417
>it doesn't matter much once your salvation is secured
i know you guys don't actually believe this.
you make it sound like the only reason you abstain from sin is just because of fear of damnation and promise of paradise, rather than aiming to do what is right and please God out of love for Him.
500d34 No.558435
>>558417
Philippians 1:6
>And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
71bf49 No.558504
>>558417
How retarded do you have to be to not understand sola fide?
b5b638 No.558506
>>558085
>No final judgement on who goes to heaven or hell
No you still don't fully understand Catholics.
f65e38 No.558573
>>558504
Don't be surprised by it. We were once all like this too.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
961f53 No.558811
>>557675
>if you've never had a vagina
>how do you know what gender I identify as
excellent
0fa53c No.558898
>>558420
>an actual baptist (Christian) isn't going to say "well, i'm saved so i can do whatever sin i want
You must not be an andersonite