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No.

>>556574

essplain

>>556576

I can't help you if I have no idea what you're saying in the first place. Elaborate on what you mean and I may be able to help you.

>>556573

No. Jesus was a radical. He was centrist in that he was a radical traditionalist about certain issues and a radical progressive on other issues. Ultimately, he wasn't following an ideology and was instead merely going with the truth. I guess in that sense you could call him a centrist, but he's not like modern day centrists who just take the middle ground on every issue. He took a firm stance on every issue, it just didn't fit him neatly into any particular group at the time.

>>556581

Centrism is recognizing the inevitable flaws in every sides of the political spectrum and therefore not taking either side.

>>556587

I don't know, but people who transcend politics like Christ tend to be called centrists these days.

>>556573

Well, you could be a centrist, but do you feel like voting for leftist politicians?

Centrist means being a brainlet agnostic in the political sphere. A fence sitter who can't hold a strong conviction

rev 3:16

>>556590

>>556599

But being a centrist doesn't mean that you can't be assertive, you're just incapable of siding with political ideologies. Pacifism is a different thing.

I mean, there are a lot of things that christians can't take an absolute position. Take for example illegal immigration. Of course it can threaten national security, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't help immigrants.

>>556603

Political matters are different from religious matters. Verse 17 and 18 have nothing to do with it.

When it comes to centrist I think we should show Christian love and remember we all went through highschool ourselves

Not even close

>>556605

By assertive i mean, he was blatant about about the values he had. to be centrist he wouldn't have taught purity, or called the Pharisees sons of the devil.

>here are a lot of things that christians can't take an absolute position. Take for example illegal immigration

>>Acts 17:26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place,

The bible also tells you to obey the laws to keep you safe.

>you're just incapable of siding with political ideologies.

One of the reasons people side with political ideologies is because a global government is coming, and one side is bringing it faster while being ignorant to it.

>>556625

>he was blatant about about the values he had. to be centrist he wouldn't have taught purity, or called the Pharisees sons of the devil.

Why wouldn't he? A centrist would criticize everyone and blatantly point their flaws. I think that's the reason they don't fit anywhere.

>The bible also tells you to obey the laws to keep you safe.

It's not Anarchism. And didn't Jesus heal people on Sabbath and let a woman who was going to be stoned to live? From a small scoped perspective, he might have broken some laws, but from a larger scope, he fulfilled the first and foremost law that God has set, which is to love others. I think to see everything from a larger scope makes you unfit for man-made ideologies.

If you're not an Orthodox Christian Monarchist Distributist then you're just wrong tbh.

>>556606

understandable have a blessed day

>>556605

Illegal immigrants break laws. Christians can very easily side with the side of removing them.

>>556588

Centrism takes the flaws of both sides and internalizes it.

>>556590

>Leftists says Christians hate the jews

The leftists are right about that, or about the Bible's views on it at least. The jews are the synagogue of satan.

>>556605

>Of course it can threaten national security, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't help.

The mexicans aren't living in mortal peril, so charities can help them in their own nation. They don't have to let them become citizens just so that they can work for a higher minimum wage and give their children a free, American paid basic education.

>>556635

>let a woman who was going to be stoned to live?

That woman wasn't likely to steal from, rape or murder anyone. If Christians didn't try to preserve their faith as ordained by Christ, Christianity would have ended by loving their Roman neighbors who wanted them dead.

>>556635

>Why wouldn't he? A centrist would criticize everyone and blatantly point their flaws. I think that's the reason they don't fit anywhere.

A centrist Jesus wouldn't commit to any extreme, purity and religious authenticity is an extreme.

>I think to see everything from a larger scope makes you unfit for man-made ideologies.

What are you trying to implying here? Everything except for the bible is a man made ideology, including being a centrist. Honestly this sounds like the low commitment high reward form atheism. I know it sounds like a big accusatory conclusion but your posts aren't clear at all.

You shouldn't view politics as a spectrum, you should view it as their own unique ideologies. For example, fascism and communism are not even comparable, fascism isn't "to the right" of communism and communism isn't "to the left" of fascism.

So with that in mind, you should find a political ideology that is compatable with Christianity. protip: almost all politics these days is incompatable with Christianity

>>556573

No. God does not like people being lukewarm.

>>556917

>but hatred of people as a person is a sin.

>Ephesians 5:11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.

>The extremism of political ideology descends from a single minded thinking and generalization of a group.

That's an incorrect way of looking at it, do you really think that all committed forms of Political ideology are ignorance and generalizations? You could easily have an atheist say that about Christianity. "Christians are extreme, they're closed off minded who generalize spiritual entities into satan, and are always bashing gays". This position of contrarian Subjectivism is wrong, ideologies can prove themselves, i'm not saying everyone is right, but you can based you beliefs of aspects that make them correct.

>But an idea is inherited by God when it's in accord to morals.

Not always, people either make up their own God or their own morals. People worship different Gods in religion, but often still call it "God". A lot of people don't investigate their religion or just jump into the one that agrees with them the most.

I'm a centrist aka monarchist-fascist-distributist. This is the real center of the spectrum.

>>557307

>Ephesians 5:11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.

Does that have anything to do with hate? Think about it.

>do you really think that all committed forms of Political ideology are ignorance and generalizations?

No, but when it comes to political extremism, they are.

>people either make up their own God or their own morals

"Man participates in the wisdom and goodness of the Creator who gives him mastery over his acts and the ability to govern himself with a view to the true and the good. The natural law expresses the original moral sense which enables man to discern by reason the good and the evil, the truth and the lie." And humans will always subconsciously recognize to some degree the existence of one true God, and they call it the "Unknown God" as written by Paul.

>>557312

Slavophilism vs Petrinism was like the left vs right spectrum of 1800's Russia.

>>557313

>fascist

>center

>>557454

No, slavophiles were the conservative whereas peter/westernizers were liberal.

He was a radical theocratic monarchist, completely fine with violently punishing people for sins and letting people burn in hell for all eternity.

There's nothing centrist about Jesus.

I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD

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>>558390

He didn't want to join any political activities or advocate any of them while He was on earth, he had his own ideals unlike those low IQ sheep. That by definition is a centrist.

>>557457

Didn't say the otherwise.

>>558394

centrist doesn't mean neutral or apathetic to politics, it means a mix of left and right ideas because it has no clear foundation or guiding principles

>>558396

See christian democracy and monarchy. Some of them might take some ideas from the left or right, but as long as these ideas fit their own ideals.

>>556917

But you see, the ironic thing (at least in America) is that *everyone* is poor, while at the same time *only* being concerned with money. Even the rich people are poor and perpetually on the verge of losing it all. Most people live lives of quiet desperation and a continuous dread about tomorrow. In distributism, people would not be poor, but rather they would have what they needed and only what they needed as far as the material goes. The true problem is that people do not see that this life is not the final end, nor is it our home. Our home is in Heaven and eventually after the resurrection after Christ comes again, all of creation with God forever. This life is a small pilgrimage on the way to that filled with trials and tribulations. Material possessions only provide for necessities and they cannot give us eternal life, nor do they merit anything in the eyes of God (apart from providing for the life of a family and children whom He entrusts to the care of husbands and wives). In the materialistic world (and it is this way, regardless of where one lives, there is no notion or respect or regard to God at all in mainstream culture or thought, which only concerns itself with the trivial nonsense of the day, never satisfied or content because human nature is infinite desire which can only be satisfied by God) people honestly just don't care about their souls or about Christ or about His Church. We have all been indoctrinated into worldly ideas and holding them above God, such that we have removed Him entirely from our lives - but He should be the entirety of our lives. We should all desire to be saints and persevere in Christ; God will overcome everything and He is always in complete control, but there will be a chastisement. Pray the rosary, it is our greatest weapon.

Out of this world, closer to the far-right mostly, but the old one, like pre-WW1.

>jesus was """political position"""

no

>>556573

This post shows four things:

OP does not understand political thought

OP does not understand bible

OP does not know Catholic Church modern history

OP does not know how to compare and contrast

This must be bait, cause otherwise its pure mental cancer.