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>>554869

Please no shitposters

>>554868

>what is Baptism

a sacrament

>Methodism

a heresy

>orthodoxy

schismatics

https://8ch.net/christian/res/554143.html

I wrote a thing at the bottom of the thread, maybe it'll be of help.

Baptists (I assume you meant that) are Protestants, of a more Evangelical bent, who in particular do not believe that the sacraments are true communicators or grace, but merely outward expressions of faith that symbolize what has already been done in the spirit, and so, in particular, they believe that young children who cannot give a mature statement of faith shouldn't be baptized.

Methodists are an off-shot of Anglicanism, who thought that the Anglican Church didn't go far enough in being reformed. To the "three-legged stool" of Anglicanism (Bible, holy tradition, reason), Methodists add "experience." Their theology is generally close to Anglican theology, but with a more liberal view on the clergy (that is, there is absolutely no special ordained priesthood within the Church), and an excision of Calvinist soteriology.

I dont want you guys advocating for your church. If youre gonna bash protestants please go to another thread

Orthodox and Catholics follow the church fathers and their traditions

Protestants/Baptists follow just the Bible

The first thing to remember is that sects are a bad thing and the eventual goal is universal reunification. We commemorate the anniversary of the reformation, but we do not celebrate it.

>>554939

Thank you.

>>554868

Okay, here are the denominations explained as simply as I can: you've got the Sacred Tradition, and you've got The Bible. The Catholics and Orthodox follow Sacred Tradition the most, believing it to have come from God. They interpret The Bible through the lens of Sacred Tradition. Then you've got the high-church protestants, these are the Lutherans and the Anglicans. They like Sacred Tradition, but they think some of it goes against The Bible. They mostly act Catholic, but with some important doctrinal differences. Then you've got the Reformed churches, these are the Calvinists, Presbyterians, and Congregationalists, and just anyone named "Reformed" (Reformed Baptists, for example). They reject most aspects of tradition and are mainly only following The Bible. Their interpretation of The Bible is different from the Apostolic (Catholic/Orthodox) and high-church Protestants (Lutherans/Anglicans), because they interpret scripture through the lens of reformed theology developed by John Calvin rather than through Sacred Tradition. Then you've got the low-church protestants, these are people who disagree with Reformed Theology but agree with the Reformed view of Tradition. Methodists and Baptists are examples of this. Now that we've got the basic scale worked out, here are the different beliefs:

1. Everyone agrees you're saved by grace, but how you get a state of grace is debated. Catholics and Orthodox say grace is a state of being that comes from the sacraments, and you are saved if you die in a state of grace. Protestants (of all stripes) say grace comes from faith in Christ alone.

2. Everyone agrees that Christ instituted a ritual where you eat bread and wine. Catholics, Orthodox, and high-church Protestants say this bread is his body and this wine is his blood in substance. Reformed and low-church Protestants say that the bread and wine is a symbol done in remembrance of Christ.

3. Everyone agrees that Christ commanded us to be baptized, but should that be done to babies or adults? Catholics and Orthodox and just about all Protestants say you should be baptized ASAP, including as a baby. Baptists say you need to be baptized when you reach the age of reason, after you believe.

That's as basic as I can get it

>>554951

Thank you so much. This was a very good explanation thank you

>>555064

But remember more than half of the "traditions" can't be traced back to the apostles, and many of them contradict what we know what the apostles actually said.

>>554951

And just to round things out you've also got the independent Baptist churches as well, which aren't actually part of any denomination, and never claim to have been. They're independent churches under the authority of the word of God, like the churches you find mentioned in the New Testament. And via the New Testament, are the source for the practice of believers-only baptism, hence why they're known as Baptists. Some of these churches which later picked up protestant doctrines and/or joined a denomination have branched into other categories, such as Reformed baptists and the like. This has prompted the purely non-denominational Baptist churches to call themselves independent fundamental Baptists. Many of these kinds of churches follow purely the Bible as the final authority, without appealing to any catholic, protestant, or reformed traditions not already found in the Bible. But since they're not a denomination, you won't know for certain what they practice unless you check that individual church.

>>554868

I remember being in high school. In class, we were supposed to debate whether or not euthanasia should be legalized.

But instead, some Methodists and Baptists got into a debate about some doctrinal difference about being 'saved' that was based solely on their feels and was so inarticulated that I had no idea what they were actually debating. That told me all I needed to know about the differences in the Protestant denominations. And no, I still don't give them a free pass for being teenagers.

>>554951

one mistake, we reformed folk actually believe that Christ is SPIRITUALLY present in the bread and wine.