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Forgot Acts 16:30

And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

“So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.” (2 Thess 2:15) “For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you….” (1 Cor 11:23) “For I handed on to you as of first importance what I also received….” (1 Cor 15:3) “…I know whom I have believed [i.e., Jesus], and I am sure that he is able to guard until that Day what has been entrusted to me. Follow the pattern of the sound words which you have heard from me, in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus; guard the truth that has been entrusted to you by the Holy Spirit who dwells within us.” (2 Tim 1:11-14) “You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.” (2 Tim 2:1-2) “…I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.” (Jude 1:3)

>>552936

Sole Fidle crumbles when confronted with moral acts and how to make oneself a fruitful member of society.

>>552964

Did I say you shouldn't do good works?

>>552964

No it doesn't my nigger

>>552970

<B-but he means that someone with True™ faith will show it with good works!

Who are you quoting?

>>552970

>Literally bible verses picked out of context.

How

>The whole Epistle of James talks about how faith without works is dead

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dPqSelVJvoA

You only need a bathtub worth if water you retard

Besides you do the same as what the guy did to Petef. It doesn't say he believed him to be Gid

>>552970

>Literally bible verses picked out of context.

t. doesn't believe the bible

>Bullshit and you know it

I don't know that James 2 is bullshit, sorry

>since even the demons believe

Believe is a nuanced term. The belief which demons have is a mere mental assent, they just believe that Christ is God, that He died for sins, and rose again, they don't trust in those things to be saved. James' point is that just knowing these things are true is not the faith that saves, saving faith is a living trust

>How can a man worship something or someone as a deity if he doesn't regard that person as a deity in any way?

Pagans worshipped idols, but they didn't think their idols were their gods. Worship is an action, not a state of mind. The bible knows nothing of the latria-dulia distinction

>>552974

>You only need a bathtub worth if water you retard

>"only"

>I have literally never been to a Mediterranean country ever in my life: the post Returned

You even know what a bath of water is?

That's about 2000 liters, enough to give about 1334 persons water for a day (taking they need 1,5l/day, which isn't enough if you're up in the hills of the Mediterranean).

You think that people would fill a bath for all this water to be wasted?

Heck you're even implying they could get 2000 liters of water in one day.

Unless you're next to a river or the sea there's no way they could've gotten enough water and even if they could they would definitely not use it for this.

>>552980

>t. doesn't believe the bible

t. believes the bible is a magical book where each verse can just be taken out of context and it says something.

Because then John 8:44 is talking about you: "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father"

If you don't believe this you don't believe the bible.

>Believe is a nuanced term. The belief which demons have is a mere mental assent

>they just believe that Christ is God, that He died for sins, and rose again

So this belief will not save you?

>they don't trust in those things to be saved

Where does the bible preach Sola Credo?

>Pagans worshipped idols, but they didn't think their idols were their gods.

They believed the idols represented gods, something we don't do.

>Worship is an action, not a state of mind

I'm glad then, because all Atheist praise the Lord when they say "Thank God" in their daily lives.

>>552984

>And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Weird that he went to a place with much water, if all he needed was a drop

>>552984

>Because then John 8:44 is talking about you: "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father"

He said that to the jews you fucking retard.

demons are reprobates

So did Cornellius think that Peter was God? Or John think the angel was?

>>552984

>So this belief will not save you?

That is correct, saving faith is when a sinner, being well terrified by the wrath of God, places all their faith in Jesus Christ, that He will save them.

>Where does the bible preach Sola Credo?

Never, it teaches sola fide. Since this faith is a pure trust, an attempt to escape hell by any act of righteousness is a different way to be saved, hence why Paul describes it as "a different gospel, which is not another".

>They believed the idols represented gods

And you believe your idols represent saints (and, sometimes, God).

>I'm glad then, because all Atheist praise the Lord when they say "Thank God" in their daily lives.

A cultural expression is not a religious action.

>>552985

>People would move 100+ km for a full body of water

You're moving goalposts, I already said that it would be done if a large body of water was nearby.

Fact is, this is sometimes not the case even in the Mediterranean region.

>He said that to the jews you fucking retard.

And like I took verses plainly out of the bible so did you.

>demons are reprobates

But they believe, so I guess that faith alone doesn't save?

Oh wait, you added an arbitrary exception to this rule to support your argument that's found nowhere in the bible.

>>553002

>That is correct

So, believing that Christ is God, who died for our sins, and rose again is not enough to save you?

Sounds like sola fide doesn't work then.

>Never, it teaches sola fide. Since this faith is a pure trust

Those demons know better than any of us who Christ is, and very well know what He can do and does for us.

So why would these demons not trust Christ if it could save them?

>And you believe your idols represent saints (and, sometimes, God).

Just like a picture of me in a book represents me, a statue of a saint represents that saint.

YOU are the one who makes them idols, we don't.

>A cultural expression is not a religious action.

They literally thank God, how much more of praise do you want?

>>553051

>Sounds like sola fide doesn't work then

Sola fide isn't solus assensus

>So why would these demons not trust Christ if it could save them?

The same reason why anybody rejects Christ, they hate Him. Demons are the worst of sinners, so they hate God the most, and they love sin the most. Salvation would be hell to them, at least as they are, and God has no intention of changing them.

>Just like a picture of me in a book represents me, a statue of a saint represents that saint

Just like a picture of you represents you, a statue of a god represented a god.

>YOU are the one who makes them idols

No, it is not me, and it is not the image itself, it is the worship you show to it. You worship it to worship the one it depicts, so that is the root of the problem.

>They literally thank God

No more than someone who says "By Jove" calls upon Jupiter.

>>553051

Purposely misunderstanding the argument doesn't win you any points.

>>552936

>cathodox

>cahtlodox

>catholodox

Which one is it?

Anyway.

>Faith alone.

Saving faith works in love. It is a "working faith" so to speak. Faith, all by itself, is dead if it does not give good works. Although I don't have a problem with the way Luther expressed "faith alone."

>No baby sprinkling.

Little children are the ones who will inherit the Kingdom of God, and we must be like them, and you say that they must not be given the Kingdom of God anyway? That they must wait until they lose their innocence?

>No worshipping man.

It's true that we need to remember that our bishops are just men too.

>Jesus went to hell for 3 days.

… We already believe that. See: any icon of the Resurrection.

>>553059

Besides it says "believe" not "believe and this other stuff"

I said no baby sprinkling. Baptizing children is fine as long as they're saved.

Yet you(atleast most) worship them and statues at their feet

Not all cathlodox do

>>553051

>And like I took verses plainly out of the bible so did you.

Please tell me which of the 4 in the OP post are take out of context

>>553059

>Although I don't have a problem with the way Luther expressed "faith alone."

I think you do. You can't understand what Luther meant apart from monergism. He would agree with everything you said about saving faith, he would just disagree with everything you mean by that.

>>553054

>Sola fide isn't solus assensus

Sola fide is that faith alone saves, and I'm pretty sure that if someone professes that Christ is the son of God, died for his sins and the resurrected he fulfills the criteria but then again who knows what protestant sect you're from.

>The same reason why anybody rejects Christ, they hate Him.

So faith alone does not safe?

>Just like a picture of you represents you, a statue of a god represented a god.

Now you're just equating saints with gods to suit your argument, which is false.

>No, it is not me, and it is not the image itself, it is the worship you show to it.

Nobody before the 16th century except for maybe one or two fringe sects in the first 2-3 centuries regarded the saints as deities, until you guys came.

>No more than someone who says "By Jove" calls upon Jupiter.

So worship isn't a mere action?

>>553068

Nowhere in Acts 16 does it imply that you get saved by faith alone.

>>553098

>I'm pretty sure that if someone professes that Christ is the son of God, died for his sins and the resurrected he fulfills the criteria

Well then you're pretty mistaken

>So faith alone does not safe?

Knowledge =/= faith

>So worship isn't a mere action?

Worship can be recognized by mere action

>>553116

Where is the word 'just' found in that verse he posted?

>>553105

>Well then you're pretty mistaken

Argument/10, but I take now that faith alone does not save unless you're a professional Olympic mental gymnast.

>Knowledge =/= faith

Doesn't the bible say "Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble."?

Where does it say that the devils know and tremble?

>Worship can be recognized by mere action

So saying "Thank God", which is an action that expresses gratitude to God, is a form of worship.

>>553120

>says "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

>need to more than believe

retard

And I saud the answer is just believe because that's the only answer he gave to him

>>553121

In all three statements you are unwilling to argue in good faith. There's no point in discussing anything further

>>553121

>Where does it say that the devils know and tremble?

It says they believe that there is one God. That's it. You really have a poor grasp on James 2.

>>552936

>Faith Alone

James 2

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Philippians 2

12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Romans 2

6 God "will repay each person according to what they have done." 7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;

Matthew 7

21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

>No baby sprinkling

Latin Catholics generally pour, not sprinkle, and Eastern Catholics generally do full immersion. Protestants actually sprinkle, mainly Presbyterians. Now,

Matthew 19

14 But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

Acts 16

33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized.

>No worshiping man

We don't do that dipshit

>Jesus went to hell for 3 days

*Hades to bring souls into the light, and I seriously thought all Christians believed Jesus did this. Anyway, doesn't that verse prove he went down into Hades anyway?

>>553136

>Matthew 7

21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Are you literally a fucking retard? Learn to read the next 2 verses and look up what the Father's will is(John 6:38-40)

>Matthew 19

>14 But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

That's older children like 7 or 8

>Acts 16

>33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized.

You realize not ever household has babies right? And I'm pretty sure it says that they then did as the apostles rold them. Babies can't do that.

>We don't do that dipshit

The dude falking at Peter's feet cointed as it. Same with John to the angel.

>friend walks up and asks to be kept in your prayers

>kneel down and worship him, sing psalms on his behalf, draw a picture of him, light candles and burn incense, bring all of your friends and family to kneel down and worship the picture, pray to your friend for blessing

>its just a prayer bro

>>553136

Note James 2:15-16, the person being profitted is the naked and destitute person who sees the works done by the person with faith. In verse 18 again, it clearly says that the person with faith is doing works to show his faith to another person not to God. It's justification before man, not before God. See 1 Corinthians 4:1-4.

>Philippians 2:12

See Philippians 3:12

>Romans 2:6

2 Corinthians 5:21.

>Matthew 7:21

Read the next two verses.

>Acts 16:33

Read the next verse, it further says his whole house believed in God.

>>553128

>It says they believe that there is one God.

Oh sorry didn't know they believed in allah.

The demons know of only one God, unless you say that there are more gods, therefore they also believe in God.

>>553153

>therefore they also believe in God.

Yes, they believe there is one God. And the people in Matthew 7:23-24 also clearly believe there is one God, yet they put faith in their works to save them.

>>553153

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

>>553081

>Lutheran

>Monergism

Nah that's a total meme, if Lutheran's get to call themselves monergists then I'll call myself one too

>>553163

I like most Protestants. They claim to share our scriptures, and they have the Son which means they have the Father also. And they aren't hardcore liars like Muslims: 1 John 2:22-23. Although a lot of prot denominations may have various issues, it's usually not an outright works gospel. Usually.

Anyone who denies the Son like a muslim is a hardened liar, I automatically have a hard time believing them on even the simplest of things.

>>553157

Cute that you leave out Matthew 7:21 where Christ says that the ones who do the will of the Father enter heaven and not everyone who professes Him.

But hey I know inconvenient verses are not nice right?

>>553162

>Only underlying 'works' and not 'wonderful works'

The 'wonderful works' here refer to miracles, which can be seen in the Greek word dynameis (δυνάμεις) which is used to describe miracles.

I know I know, original Greek text are inconvenient for your argument but still.

>>553193

>Cute that you leave out Matthew 7:21

The man who I responded to quoted that and left out the next two verses. And as yet another person said, the will of the Father is stated in John 6:40. This is contrasted to those in verse 22 who profess to believe in the Lord yet have faith in their works which they did. He never knew them.

>>553193

>You have to go back to this language neither if understand

KYS

Also hiw does that make a difference? They're still relying on stuff they did.

>>553208

>Also hiw does that make a difference? They're still relying on stuff they did.

It's the basic scripture nullification technique that many people use. As Christ said in Mark 7:13, they make the word of God of none effect— basically, rather than propose a coherent meaning, he is explaining why verse 22 doesn't mean anything, i.e. why it can be ignored in all cases.

>>553098

>if someone professes that Christ is the son of God, died for his sins and the resurrected he fulfills the criteria

Does a dead faith save?

>>553167

>using the Lord's name in vain

>>553144

>>553146

>2 verses later

Learn to read in context of the entire passage, back in verses 13-20, Jesus talks about the narrow way, and good fruits, in fact, if we read 3 verses after 21, to verse 24, we see Jesus reiterate, "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock." Clearly, in the context of Matthew 7, the will of the Father includes works.

>Matthew 19

"little children." You just betrayed your own Sola Scriptura for a man made tradition of 7 and 8 year olds.

>Acts 16 all believed/not every household has babies

You're right, but if they were baptizing whole households, it is reasonable to assume some of them had babies (see 1 Corinthians 1:16).

>2 Corinthians 5:21

Ok? That's a good verse.

>Philippians 3:12

That verse just affirms my point, read the next verses too, 13 and 14 again just affirm my point and posistion. "I press on to reach the end of the race and receive the heavenly prize for which God, through Christ Jesus, is calling us."

>Shit tier Protestant interpretation of James

Literally verse 24 says, "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only." James says this after after he cites the passage about Abraham, literally calling him a "friend of God" in verse 23 because of his works. James tells us even the demons have faith in verse 19, and then goes on to reiterate in verse 20 what he said back in verse 17, which is, if faith does not have works then it is dead.

>friend walks up and asks to be kept in your prayers

>kneel down and worship him, sing psalms on his behalf, draw a picture of him, light candles and burn incense, bring all of your friends and family to kneel down and worship the picture, pray to your friend for blessing

>its just a prayer bro

What the fuck are you even rambling on about?

PROTESTANTS BTFO!

>>553208

>>553209

>Quote scripture as St. paul knew it

>Hurr doesn't count that's in the original Greek language which nobody speaks anymore! More importantly it debunks my argument, so no original scripture besides the holy KJV (pbui)

Nice to know you guys are superficial enough to even ignore the very thing you stand for as long as it supports your arguments.

>>553251

Define a dead faith, because I've heard Andersonists argue that even murderers and atheist are still saved if they ever professed Christ before that.

>>553277

>Define a dead faith

I'll go by the scriptural definition and say a faith without works

>because I've heard Andersonists argue that even murderers and atheist are still saved if they ever professed Christ before that

El em ay oh

>>553281

>a faith without works

So faith alone isn't enough.

>El em ay oh

Argument/10

>>553287

>So faith alone isn't enough

On the contrary, faith alone is sufficient, it just has to be a living faith :^)

>>553277

You realize Matthew wrote the book of Mathhew right?

>>553281

Then it isn't whosoever believeth

>>553298

Does a dead faith avail anything? Being dead, it does nothing.

>>553301

It gets you saved but doesn't help others

>>553309

Why would it get you saved if it's dead? That which is dead is inactive

>>553266

>(see 1 Corinthians 1:16).

And see 1 Corinthians 16:15. The same household of Stephanas addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints!

>Ok? That's a good verse.

2 Corinthians 5:21, we are judged by the imputed righteousness of God.

>That verse just affirms my point, read the next verses too, 13 and 14 again just affirm my point and posistion.

Yeah it's saying he does it, but verse 12 also states that he is already apprehended of Christ Jesus and running the race beyond what he has already attained (verse 16), i.e. salvation.

>Literally verse 24 says, "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only."

Justified in the eyes of man. See James 2:18, 1 Corinthians 4:1-4.

>>553277

>Nice to know you guys are superficial enough to even ignore the very thing you stand for

No, but I reject your translation and interpretation of the Greek. You are the one in error to claim the original Greek says that, it's that simple.

>>553318

Because you still believe

>>553322

That's wrong: since there is a distinction made between a living and a dead faith, and since not all who call him Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven, we can state with absolute certainty that those who have a dead faith call him Lord but shan't be allowed to enter the heavenly Jerusalem, while those who call him Lord and have a living faith hear his voice and follow him, and are grafted onto the vine while the others are pruned and cast into the fire.

>>553329

well then Jesus lied in John 6:47

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

>>553332

It comes back to having a living faith as opposed to a nominal faith

>>553335

It comes back to all Scripture being true, meaning John 6:47 is true and James 2:14-26 also is true, and some interpretation that claims either one is false can already be shown of necessity to be incorrect. So far all the works gospel folks have done is claim John 6:47, and many other verses, are false because of James 2. That's not how it works though. You have to have a coherent explanation how both are true.

>>553332

The verse you cited means the opposite of what you think it does. The Greek verb rendered "believeth" here, πιστεύων, is in the present participle (is believing/obeying/etc.) and indicates that the action is continuous. A mere proclamation of faith 25 years ago where you have since lapsed and disbelieved will not save you, but an ongoing and genuine faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

>>553176

Have you read Luther at all? Or do you just not understand what monergism means?

>>553387

My coherent explanation is in >>553329 and I encourage you to read it

>>553393

maybe they should update the KJV, sounds like a pretty big typo imo

>>553393

>If you go back to this language we both don't understand he meant the opposite of what he said

KYS

Also it says "not of works" and "worketh not"

>>552936

>Jesus went to hell for 3 days.

No, Jesus went down to Hades. Not Hell. Hades, which is the same thing as Sheol, is where everyone (including Jesus) goes when they die but before the final judgement. After the final judgement, people go to either Heaven or Hell (gehenna in Greek).

This blatant mistranslation is the number one reason why the KJV is rubbish.

The rest of your post is fine, not counting your use of the sodomite's translation.

>>553514

Sheol and hades is hell you dip. And no one is going to hell after the great white throne judgement

>>553522

The translation isn't wrong, his interpretation of it is.

>>553521

An annihilationist? If that's the case, then you say that Gehenna (which almost all translations translate to 'hell') and the Lake of Fire don't count as hell, and you think that everyone is going to Hell until the great white throne thing? I guess you're not exactly wrong (about the hell thing. I have literally no clue if annihilationism is right or wrong), but you're kind of twisting words for no real reason.

>>553529

Where did I say anything about annihilationism? I meant no one else will ho to hell/lake of fire because no one else will be born

>>553435

That explanation nullifies Matthew 7:22-23, where it is shown that those people he was talking about were trusting in their works and that Jesus never knew them. Meaning they never once had faith in the name of Jesus Christ, only in what they did. Even without those two verses, you would have to discard maybe fifty other verses where it is plainly said that faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is required to be saved, and not work. And if you chose to misunderstand this, you would be exactly like the guys in Matthew 7:22-23 (or Matthew 20:10 or Luke 14:29-30) and get all confused when your works don't add up to salvation.

And as I said on James 2, it is about justification in the eyes of man. It is about profitting others, the naked and destitute (James 2:15-16). This is clear from verse 18 and also as early as James 2:14, where it says a man may SAY he has faith. He is SAYING it to someone who he wants to convince, but it won't profit or save that person unless he proves it to them. Likewise Abraham was already saved himself by his faith alone. See Romans 4:1-5 below. How can this be? Because according to James 2 Abraham's act of faith profitted and saved many others, as they saw his faith, yet he himself was already justified to God by faith though. He went far beyond only trying to save himself and profitted others, which is what James 2:14-26 is about. And you'll notice Romans 4:3 is repeated in James 2:23.

Romans 4:1-5

What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

>>553550

Oh right, nobody (new) is going to hell you mean. When I say after the final judgement people go to either Heaven or Hell, I mean that they are moved from Hades into Heaven or Hell, and then Hades will be destroyed (the sea is no more) as it will be emptied.

>>553564

You realize dight after the great white throne judgement is new earth right?

>>553555

You're incorrect on some points. The key to understanding James 2:14

> 14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

is verse 12, which is quite subtle.

> 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

This is a head nod to the fact that we have liberty in Christ. I.e. Jesus Christ brought us out from under the bondage of the law. He is the end of the law to everyone that believes.

What then is the judgement by the law of liberty if we are no longer under the law? Well there is only on punishment that applies to the sons of God.

1. Cor 11:32

> But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Hebrews 12:6

> For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

This is what you're not being saved from by faith in verse 12. Clear from the context. It's not about salvation at all.

Romans 4 explains how Abraham was justified by works. In the sense that he has wherof to glory. He was not justified before God by works and the rest of Romans 4 (all of Romans really) goes into great clarity that we are saved by grace through faith and apart from works.

Going to James for salvation doctrine and interpreting it in a way that renders God's word into a contradictory incoherent mess, when Romans and John deals explicitly with salvation in great clarity, is pretty foolish.

>>553610

>Well there is only on punishment that applies to the sons of God.

I don't see a contradiction here either broseph. By profitting others, the saved person also gain a just reward for this, what you cited plus say 1 Timothy 5:17-18 and 1 Corinthians 3:11-15. But people who didn't understand why the passage starting in v. 14 is generally about showing faith to others for their profit, as actually helping the naked and destitute in v. 15-16, and not having a dead faith and saying "be fed"— which to the naked and destitute is indistinguishable from a false professor, even if one is a true professor of faith but merely having a lapsed faith. So the mindset is given to be of profitting the person hearing your profession ("I will shew thee my faith by my works,") rather than purely thinking about profitting yourself, which is kind of what they like to do by ripping verse 14 out of context then immediately jumping down to later verses. Only by setting this overall context straight is Romans 4:1-5 in any way explicable, so that's where one should start.

It's not only in James 2 either. I think already cited 1 Corinthians 4:1-2 in this thread as well, which goes into the same concept. Note the two verses following.

>>552951

you don’t understand. it’s not a brainlet thing

>>553289

That's just semantics for "If you only have faith it's not real faith."

>>553298

>You realize Matthew wrote the book of Mathhew right?

Matthew wrote in KJV English?

He probably wrote it in Koine Greek and Aramaic since both were the lingua franca of the Levant.

Furthermore, it does not change the fact that the original Greek text debunks your argument.

>>553847

That's just semantics for "If you would enter life, keep the commandments"

>>553081

In that case, the issue isn't "faith alone vs faith & works" but rather "monergism vs synergism," right? Then we should look at which side is more supported by the Scriptures, rather than obssessing over Paul and James's epistles.

>>553872

What's semantics for that?

>>553847

Or your lying. Neither us even speak greek you retard. And every version says works and either waybthey're still relying on what they did.