Pacifism &amp; Orthodoxy

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Pacifism & Orthodoxy Christanon 11/09/17 (Thu) 03:40:04 73e0c6 No.552590

Is it true that all Orthodox are expected to live a pacifistic life?

I understand the priests are, because Jesus never took a life even when he was justified to, but what about laymen?

I've heard that we're supposed to be pacifistic in all cases, including the defense of property, ourselves, others, etc. True?

I'm not a violent person, but I'm a former /k/ommando and often carry for the protection of myself and my livelihood so I'm concerned that this might be an issue for me, if I decide to join this church.

wat do goys?

Christanon 11/09/17 (Thu) 03:49:06 56cd83 No.552606

>>552590

no we are to fight evil and uphold the law and by that means we have a moral duty to take up arms to defend what is right

Christanon 11/09/17 (Thu) 03:49:16 b26486 No.552607

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Absolutely false.

Watch this podcast with orthodox speakers. Historically the church fathers allowed "just war" and self defense and so forth.

Christanon 11/09/17 (Thu) 03:50:56 6ced05 No.552608

>>552590

There's a huge difference between pacifism and non-violence. Pacifists run away from trouble, non-violent persons face trouble without resorting to violence. It's anti-pacifism to feed the poor, heal the wounded, and soothe the wretched. I mean, see Andrei Rublev and Hacksaw Ridge.

Christanon 11/09/17 (Thu) 03:50:57 985556 No.552609

>>552607

>watch this podcast

literally orthoLARP

>Historically the church fathers allowed "just war" and self defense and so forth.

False, just look at the canons of St. Basil

Christanon 11/09/17 (Thu) 03:50:56 56cd83 No.552610

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>>552604

unironically gas yourself you heretic

Christanon 11/09/17 (Thu) 04:01:21 73e0c6 No.552613

>>552609

Details?

Christanon 11/09/17 (Thu) 05:02:41 b26486 No.552667

>>552609

>ignores the podcast

>Wahhh i refuse to listen to historical facts and church fathers who allowed just war theory

>thinks priest matthew raphael johnson is a larper

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Raphael_Johnson

https://www.rusjournal.org/

terribly myopic pressumptions.

Christanon 11/09/17 (Thu) 05:46:39 d318a9 No.552682

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Depends on the parish.

Christanon 11/09/17 (Thu) 05:51:14 c80bd3 No.552684

>>552667

Isn't he outside of canonical Orthodoxy, therefore being a LARPer?

Christanon 11/09/17 (Thu) 06:03:22 b26486 No.552698

>>552684

>Isn't he outside of canonical Orthodoxy,

how so?

and even if someone is guilty of some heresies it doesn't mean they are "larping", larping implies their faith is not genuine and they are self-deluded. I can't see how that applies to someone like Matthew Johnson.

For example Bishop Williamson was excommunicated several times, and might be guilty of some heresies, but no one would call him a LARPer or not genuine…

Christanon 11/09/17 (Thu) 06:14:57 c80bd3 No.552703

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>>552698

>larping implies their faith is not genuine and they are self-deluded

Which would be the case if he was an old calendarist priest not just using the old calendar, old calendarists are a group outside of canonical Orthodoxy

Pic is from your link, yellow line to show the problem