/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

Can I say I hate both sides when they act like this? Can I say people like you and the people in the other thread are those who make me ashamed of being who I am, a follower of Christ?

We can debate the validity of our respective Churches without having to insult one another with such petty accusations as "You Papists are all goners!" or "You Orthos are aborting all your kids and using drugs!"…I was a sodomite, I met God and I am trying to turn my life around. I met wonderful people from both Catholic and Orthodox backgrounds, who helped me return to the Lord; here on /christian/ I too often see this bitter hatred towards one another, not a desire to explain even if it takes us swallowing a toad.

What a sad and childish thread to make.

>>551999

Don't take it too serious, this thread is just a joke the previous one also

>>551920

topkek

why are you so butthurt dude? yeah the other dude was in the wrong for this thread, but now you’re acting like a faggot redditor

>>551920

>my parish is almost entirely converts.

Is there even anywhere where this is true? I know that the Orthodox in the US attract a lot of Protestants and Catholics, but are there places where the Catholic Church is attracting lots of converts from other Christian denominations?

>>552352

Depends on where you live. I'm in New Orleans, a very Catholic city, and we get converts from other denominations quite often.

wew lad

>>552352

Don't know if it counts but the traditional Tridentine parishes are attracting former modernists, agnostic youth and lukewarms.

>>552357

What I mean is a case in which you'd have parishes where there's mostly converts.

>>552367

I guess something like SSPX or other traditional Catholic groups not in communion with Rome counts. Do you know about places where mainline Catholicism is attracting a lot of converts though?

>>552368

My parish is an unofficial parish (the bishop tolerates us, but doesn't like us) but we're still in communion with Rome.

We're not that big, but we get a few people more every year (catholics that are fed up with the modernist bullshit of today).

>Do you know about places where mainline Catholicism is attracting a lot of converts though?

Hah, that's a good one.

Imagine going into one of those art-nouveau crap buildings, almost all old people, every sunday the same old boring nagging with no inspiration in the sermon whatsoever.

Then the mass that feels more like a burden than a refreshment, a priest who doesn't even know what the heck he's supposed to do and sermons always ALWAYS talking about how poverty is bad and how we should love everybody.

With the Lord Himself as my witness I testify: if the Tridentine mass didn't exist anymore I was now either at best orthodox, probably atheist/agnostic or even worse, protestant.

Maybe somewhere where orthodoxy is still preached, the Novus Ordo is done at its strictest and the priests knows what he's living for there might be converts, but I have yet to see one (and I've been to a couple of parishes).

>>552377

>My parish is an unofficial parish (the bishop tolerates us, but doesn't like us) but we're still in communion with Rome.

Huh, interesting. How does that work? You say you're "unofficial" - so, are you in communion with a canonical Catholic bishop, or not? If you are, what makes you "unofficial"?

>>552381

Some kind priest-historian who was well known within what I want to describe as semi-elite circles bought this old farmhouse and converted it into a chapel for the Tridentine mass 9 years before Benedict re-allowed it.

He got the money, received yearly support via connections and the local bishop confirmed the chapel.

Sadly, he passed away in 2010, and since then the chapel tries to remain low-profile.

In short, we're in communion with Rome and allowed, but in some kind of borderline rogue position where we're not even an official parish.

Don't know how well you're keeping tabs on catholic news but we're foreseeing a schism in the next decade if papa Franku isn't retired by then.

>>552388

>but we're foreseeing a schism in the next decade if papa Franku isn't retired by then.

lol that's not going to happen man

Don't believe what the secular or non-Catholics medias tell you. His Holiness isn't as modern as most people want to believe. Read his works and homilies about Protestants, for example.

Here is one that I enjoyed reading:

Luther: a “crazy idea” developed in heresy and schism by Jorge Mario Bergoglio (http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1351398bdc4.html?eng=y)

>>552398

>Don't believe what the secular or non-Catholics medias tell you.

Oh I don't care about those, I care about the current church politics where I live.

The bishops could eat us raw and rather keep pro-gay, pro-abortion priests than us.

>>552377

>if the Tridentine mass didn't exist anymore I was now either at best orthodox, probably atheist/agnostic or even worse, protestant.

If you mean that this is what you are going to do if this happens, then know that, leaving the issue of taking God's name in vain (and especially evil kind of it at that, calling upon Him as a witness to sin) aside, immoderate attachement to material, created things to such an extent that you would rather go to Hell than abandon them is a very gravely sinful kind of greed.

>>552388

>before Benedict re-allowed it.

It was already allowed before his reign, see e.g. Quattuor abhinc annos.

>>552398

Why did he call him a "witness of the gospel" and commemorate the reformation with a stamp then?

>>552432

I merely stated what would've happened if the Tridentine mass didn't exist anymore.

>It was already allowed before his reign, see e.g. Quattuor abhinc annos.

Bullcrap.

Sure on paper it was, but even now that Benedict wrote a whole Apostolic Letter giving us privileges these rarely get into practice.

If a schism would ever occur, I'll side with the side that can nurture my spirit.

Worst case I'll just go to the Eastern-catholics

>>552459

>I merely stated what would've happened if the Tridentine mass didn't exist anymore.

And again, if you're going to leave the Catholic Church because you're so attached to one form of liturgy - beautiful, reverent, aesthetic, but still created, material and of infinitely less worth than God Himself - so much, then that's plain evil.

>>552849

You think that it's all just about the liturgy?

In the end it is, but that was not the issue at first.

A non-revering liturgy creates non-revering parishes, and is a gateway to modernism.

No, it is THE cause of modernism being so rampant within the Church nowadays.

>>552855

>modernism

>human logical categories

DIAPAS

>>552026

I don't take the faith lightly; and if you truly want to be a follower of God, you should not seek petty revenge by making such useless and venomous topics. I am starting to hate this place more and more…I came here to talk and debate with other Christians even if we disagree, and all I see is people insulting one another. I hate /pol/, but they seem to have a point when they claim we only bring division (and yes, even the Christ told us he'd bring a sword and will put father against son, etc…but this is too much).

I wanted to come here to find a slice of hope, all I came out with was hatred, anger, a desire to stay away even more form people and other Christians. Damn, what a shame we are! Ants squabbling and yelling for nothing! At least those Christians who beat the heck out of one another in Jerusalem do so to compete in front of God, here we do so out of hatred and without fear of harm because we hide behind a computer screen.

So pissed off…

>>552997

Lots of dogmatic nerds and fresh converts on here, some of whom can barely register those outside of their own communion as Christians. Doesn't help that the same movements exist in real life, notably in Eastern Orthodoxy and among Baptists, although here it's rather Catholics and Baptists who cause most of the fights.

Why try to have a dialogue of love when we can squabble about who is right about 2000 years of Christian history? It's not like we read from the same Bible or something. (well, technically speaking, it is true that many Baptists here are KJV-only)