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346dcf No.549852

Hi /christian/

Is there anything of value to be found by reading things in the 'manosphere'? As someone who grew up without a lot of fatherly instruction, it has been very relieving to get some hands-on, practical advice for how to be attractive and not be unattractive, but I want to know if there is anything to watch out for. Obviously things like

> Have lots of sex outside of marriage

> Only care about materialism

> Religion sux and is g4y

Is against the Catholic church, but people like Athol Kay, Dalrock and Rollo Tomassi seem to have a lot of very good advice about women/feminism that does not seem to be in contradiction to natural law/objective metaphysics/etc

Sites for consideration

https://therationalmale.com/the-best-of-rational-male-year-one/

http://atholkay.com/blog/

https://dalrock.wordpress.com/

e6c1fd No.549855

Nothing wrong with trying to become more attractive to women, so long as your goal is of course to find a good wife and you are otherwise avoiding sin.


69eb51 No.549866

Roosh V has come a long way in seeing the emptiness of pursuing meaningless sex with tons of women, which he used to promote. He's actually married now with his first kid on the way. He has become interested in philosophy and religion and read the Bible. Unfortunately I don't think he became convinced of the truth of Christianity. He is into stoicism and spiritualists like Osho. Of course if he became a Christian he would be compelled to stop selling his PUA books which are probably his main source of revenue, so that may be giving him a disincentive to see the truth. His site ReturnOfKings does feature a number of Christian writers though. Pray for him.


346dcf No.549881

>>549866

Thank you, I will. I'm really enjoying Dalrock's stuff, especially since I don't know of any other Christians in the manosphere. I'd really like a Catholic manosphere blogger, so if you know of any, I'd love to hear it.


764a9f No.549891

>>549855

very true.


847cd7 No.549933

>>549855

>Nothing wrong with trying to become more attractive to women, so long as your goal is of course to find a good wife and you are otherwise avoiding sin.

Heh, I tried doing the opposite (grow a beard, let my hair grow longer) just to create a filter for shallow women (and stay away from temptations) because most women told me my beard was ugly and I was cuter with short hair and yadda yadda…

Turns out although I'm supposed to be ugly women have never talked so much with me before.

Sure the nofap will have something to do with it, and probably the fact that you're unbuyable with pussy (no sex before marriage), but still.


09c022 No.550041

>>549933

Interesting.

>>549852

Nothing wrong with that. Being a strong masculine man is an important part of finding a proper feminine wife. One book I'd suggest for it's philosophy alone is 'The Way of the Superior Man' by David Deida. Many of the dynamics discussed in the book are wholly applicable to redpilling and eventually breadpilling a wife.


0236c8 No.550087

>>549881

They seem to be a bit sparse, but Donal Graeme is Catholic.

https://donalgraeme.wordpress.com/

Zippy Catholic is a bit removed from the manosphere but has plenty of insights and has interacted with Dalrock a good number of times

https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/

I hesitate a bit with this sort of stuff; but I think they do make a point to say that sex is for marriage. They happen to brush up with a lot of immoral stuff which might be a bit dangerous


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469bd2 No.550192

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Read Tolkien's letters, a good start is "43 From a letter to Michael Tolkien 6-8 March 1941".

http://glim.ru/personal/jrr_tolkien_42-45.html

They have, of course, still to be more careful in sexual relations, for all the contraceptives. Mistakes are damaging physically and socially (and matrimonially). But they are instinctively, when uncorrupt, monogamous. Men are not. …. No good pretending. Men just ain't, not by their animal nature. Monogamy (although it has long been fundamental to our inherited ideas) is for us men a piece of 'revealed' ethic, according to faith and not to the flesh. Each of us could healthily beget, in our 30 odd years of full manhood, a few hundred children, and enjoy the process. Brigham Young (I believe) was a healthy and happy man. It is a fallen world, and there is no consonance between our bodies, minds, and souls.

However, the essence of a fallen world is that the best cannot be attained by free enjoyment, or by what is called 'self-realization' (usually a nice name for self-indulgence, wholly inimical to the realization of other selves); but by denial, by suffering. Faithfulness in Christian marriage entails that: great mortification. For a Christian man there is no escape. Marriage may help to sanctify & direct to its proper object his sexual desires; its grace may help him in the struggle; but the struggle remains. It will not satisfy him – as hunger may be kept off by regular meals. It will offer as many difficulties to the purity proper to that state, as it provides easements. No man, however truly he loved his betrothed and bride as a young man, has lived faithful to her as a wife in mind and body without deliberate conscious exercise of the will, without self-denial. Too few are told that — even those brought up 'in the Church'. Those outside seem seldom to have heard it. When the glamour wears off, or merely works a bit thin, they think they have made a mistake, and that the real soul-mate is still to find. The real soul-mate too often proves to be the next sexually attractive person that comes along. Someone whom they might indeed very profitably have married, if only —. Hence divorce, to provide the 'if only'. And of course they are as a rule quite right: they did make a mistake. Only a very wise man at the end of his life could make a sound judgement concerning whom, amongst the total possible chances, he ought most profitably to have married! Nearly all marriages, even happy ones, are mistakes: in the sense that almost certainly (in a more perfect world, or even with a little more care in this very imperfect one) both partners might have found more suitable mates. But the 'real soul-mate' is the one you are actually married to. You really do very little choosing: life and circumstance do most of it (though if there is a God these must be His instruments, or His appearances). It is notorious that in fact happy marriages are more common where the 'choosing' by the young persons is even more limited, by parental or family authority, as long as there is a social ethic of plain unromantic responsibility and conjugal fidelity. But even in countries where the romantic tradition has so far affected social arrangements as to make people believe that the choosing of a mate is solely the concern of the young, only the rarest good fortune brings together the man and woman who are really as it were 'destined' for one another, and capable of a very great and splendid love. The idea still dazzles us, catches us by the throat: poems and stories in multitudes have been written on the theme, more, probably, than the total of such loves in real life (yet the greatest of these tales do not tell of the happy marriage of such great lovers, but of their tragic separation; as if even in this sphere the truly great and splendid in this fallen world is more nearly achieved by 'failure' and suffering). In such great inevitable love, often love at first sight, we catch a vision, I suppose, of marriage as it should have been in an unfallen world. In this fallen world we have as our only guides, prudence, wisdom (rare in youth, too late in age), a clean, heart, and fidelity of will…..


0fdea9 No.550901

Oh look, another fundamentally gynocentric narrative which implicitly deracinates God-given authority of the man over the woman.


a08e9c No.551051

I think too much caring about how you look and act is effeminacy. I would go easy on it.


a08e9c No.551052

>>551051

And by "act" I don't mean judging your actions and pondering if they are righteous, but if they look good and shiet.


763e67 No.551066

>>549852

>What is 'Mere Christianity by C.S Lewis'


cde471 No.551197

>>550192

What I'm getting from this is that men are not supposed to stop at one woman. I'm not saying it's right, just that it's what I'm getting.


273e73 No.551306

>>549852

>Sex Realism

>OP pic is loli and some adult guy

Really makes me hard.

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cde471 No.558794

>>551197

I hate to necrobump, but why would God create man with the desire to be polygamous, then make it a sin to be so?

I'm not understanding what Tolkien is trying to say here, that by doing God's will we are making a mistake?


d6ff0c No.558822

>>550192

Great, thanks.




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