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Forgive.

Forgive everyone and God will give you peace. Remember your own faults and mistakes which brought you to this situation. Have the humility to remember that you need forgiveness as well. Then when you have peace you'll be able to see clearly and work in the world again.

Also: BEGOM ORTHODOX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSD1r52-DXs

>>548571

But I don't want to be a cuck.

12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

It's hard nowadays not to be a hater, especially when there are so many of the devil spawn around you doing so. But stay stronk.

>>548576

Then why are you giving the world control over you?

>>548579

>>548580

How does ignoring worldly problems fix anything? At least by withdrawing from society I minimize my contribution to evil

>>548582

Who told you to ignore worldly problems? When God grants you peace of heart and mind you'll be able to actually deal with the world.

Withdrawing only makes you weaker.

>>548582

>How does ignoring worldly problems fix anything?

For starters, you don't pollute your mind. You can't possibly fix this shit.

>>548582

That's the dumbest logic I've ever heard. These wordly problems are political and cultural, and they effect people on the social level. Becoming a positive force on the political and cultural level is just about impossible. By being a positive force on the local and social level, you're helping out. By withdrawing from the world, you're just doing nothing and slowly killing yourself.

>>548582

Fug, let me reformulate that.

If your solution to worldly problems is to ignore them, then my withdrawing from society is more or less in line with that

Why do I have to be the one to forgive, when I haven't done anything wrong? There is ample proof that there are people conspiring to demographically and socio-politically replace me, and yet I'M the one who has to grovel?

>>548560

>I'm sure you are all familiar with. Since then, I am having a very difficult time not despising women, Jews, Muslims, bankers, non-whites, politicians, journalists, globalists, non-heterosexuals, and anyone over the age of 35.

Recognizing that certain groups of people have really messed up society is good, however you should pray for these people because Christ said to love your enemies. Note:To love someone in the Christian sense is to want what's best for them (being a good christian).

>>548590

Nobody told you to ignore worldly problems.

>Why do I have to be the one to forgive, when I haven't done anything wrong?

Think about it for just a little bit and you'll realize how much wrong you've done in your life.

>There is ample proof that there are people conspiring to demographically and socio-politically replace me, and yet I'M the one who has to grovel?

You're groveling now, giving these people power over your heart and mind, obsessing. When you forgive them you'll finally stand on your feet, above them all, being in right condition to fight them properly.

>>548560

>and am finding it very difficult to motivate myself to do anything, because I am plagued by the knowledge that any effort I make to contribute to society is contributing to my demographic and socio-cultural replacement

So do the Christian thing go to church find a nice woman, have a large white family and do your part to not get replaced. Seems easy to me.

>>548595

You don't need to mock him.

>>548591

But I don't WANT to love them, I want to smash my enemies and destroy them. I don't WANT to be forgiving and kind and 'nice', I want strength and justice and fire and the destruction of everything and everyone

>>548593

Why should I listen to you. Your Churches have no problem importing millions and millions of immigrants.

>>548596

I'm not.

>>548600

then you’re gonna need a new religion fam

it’s Jesus’s job to smash the enemies in the end of days. it’s our job to forgive them and ask that Christ is mericiful to them, bc truly, His punishment will be more damming then anything we could do to them

“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.“

>>548560

i can't sympathize with the women hating thing, but racism was easy for me to drop when i realized races aren't real.

race realist arguments are terrible.

not saying there aren't genetic differences among people, but how these people are grouped together is arbitrary, subjective, nebulous, ultimately meaningless.

>>548608

Continuum fallacy, but this isn't a debate about that.

>>548600

>I want strength

Then forgive. Only weak people hold grudges. The strong acknowledge their enemies and forgive them.

>and justice and fire and the destruction of everything and everyone

With the way things are going you may get it soon enough, but you'll be consumed with it.

There are perfectly Christian anti-immigration arguments and political positions, but this isn't about politics, it's about the condition of your soul. If you think that you can defeat evil by way of evil, you're wrong. And you know you're wrong.

>>548560

Nonwhites are your eternal enemy, mainly due to jews masquerading as whites to rhile them up against us: https://imgur.com/a/6MKkp

But also intrinsically.

Women are not the enemy though.

Your entire bloodline toughed through thick and thin and hardship and hardship and just because some thots today piss away the shekels you had to beg from Mr Goldstein doesn't mean they're the enemy.

>>548610

i'm familiar with it, i don't see how it applies here.

>>548617

(((fellow white people)))

kek

>>548619

>The fallacy is the argument that two states or conditions cannot be considered distinct (or do not exist at all) because between them there exists a continuum of states.

i am not saying "black" and "white" don't exist because of the fact that no one is pure "white" or pure "black," that everyone is part of a continuum inbetween these states.

i am saying that "white race" and "black race" don't exist in the first place for these states to have intermediary states.

>>548612

Okay, let's say I did forgive them. Then what? I'm still in the exact same position as before.

>>548619

Race is a sociobiological phenomenon. There don't exist mathematically precise boundaries between the races. No duh. That doesn't mean that race doesn't exist any more than saying "because we can't find a hard and fast line between your neck and your head- necks don't exist" As a scientific category it has (substantial) predictive power, and people self-identify as belonging to a particular in-group versus an out-group. Color is just the easiest referent, but races differ along physiological, and psychological criteria. For pete's sake, to deny the sociobiological existence of races, you would have to deny any concept of sub-species in the rest of the biological world. Our bodies and brains are different, our souls have equal worth.

>>548608

>I'm not saying there aren't genetic differences, but the way we're separated into "men" and "women" is arbitrary, subjective, nebulous, ultimately meaningless

>I'm not saying their aren't genetic differences, but the way we're separated into "people" and "animals" is arbitrary, subjective, nebulous, ultimately meaningless

>I'm not saying their aren't physical differences, but the way we're separated into "living beings" and "inert matter" is arbitrary, subjective, nebulous, ultimately meaningless

>>548629

>>548628

>>548624

Racial distinction to me is more a matter of self-perception than of science.

>>548600

>But I don't WANT to love them, I want to smash my enemies and destroy them. I don't WANT to be forgiving and kind and 'nice', I want strength and justice and fire and the destruction of everything and everyone

I want justice too, destroying everything and everyone is not justice.

>>548632

Look, I don't want this to turn into a "does race exist or not" thread, so I'll just link Ryan Faulk and let you try to rationalize your way out of his analysis. Can we get back to the thread now?

http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/329/

>>548612

Just to reiterate, let's say I do forgive them- then what? Why contribute to a society which is scheming against me? How am I supposed to participate in a superstructure that is barreling towards ends which I am in opposition to? How am I supposed to fight this when the churches are the ones bending over backwards to further the goals of the globalists?

>>548637

So do racial and ethnic groups, as is explicitly accepted in the bible

>>548632

You're right to an extent, that doesn't make them invalid, any more than celebrations of Christmas are invalid because it's just a cultural conception that you should give gifts under a tree

>>548645

>ethnic

yes.

>racial

show me.

>>548647

Easily seen in that the conception of race and ethnicity aren't different in substance, accepting one is 99% toward accepting the other. They're identical in that they both see people of common ancestry as distinct from others, differing only in that racialism casts the net wider in saying that a race of multiple nations of a more distant common ancestry are substantially different from others to be seen as distinct from them as people. Honestly the practical applications of the difference between accepting ethnicity as valid but race as not is minute, how could you quibble over this?

>>548560

>I started browsing /pol/ almost a year ago

Lurk two more years, tbh fam.

>>548657

i think the main difference would be that, if it existed, race would be an immutable characteristic a person is born with, whereas ones ethnicity can change.

>>548644

>let's say I do forgive them- then what?

Then you'll have peace.

>Why contribute to a society which is scheming against me?

You're going to have to be more specific. Contribute in what way? Like getting a job? Having children? Paying taxes?

>How am I supposed to participate in a superstructure that is barreling towards ends which I am in opposition to?

You don't. You help build the Kingdom of God which is in opposition to the ruler of this world.

>How am I supposed to fight this when the churches are the ones bending over backwards to further the goals of the globalists?

You expose these so-called Christians for the hypocrites and heretics they are. But to do this you have to have to have a pure heart. If you fight evil using evil you don't destroy it, you only fall into a trap.

>>548678

I'm going to have to think about the rest of your post, but I'll specify and ask;

Why should I get a job, have children and pay taxes? Why try? Why put out all the effort to sort myself out, get a girlfriend, get married, lose my agency, become a veritable slave in order to raise a family, all the while trying to fend off the constant attacks and subversive rhetoric of the liberals, and then have the indignity of seeing other people skim off the top of my hard work to bring in more people who hate me and my family and my values? I honestly could not construct a better disincentive for participating in society than if I tried, and that is without dwelling on all the other things that can go horribly wrong, like being cheated on, having your wife change into someone completely different from who you married, or having your kids become degenerates.

I don't want to care any more. Any time I bring up legitimate concerns, Christians and conservatives just want me to shut up and keep slaving away, and the non-Christians and liberals want to eradicate me. What am i SUPPOSED to do?

>>548687

This is indeed a fallen world ruled by Satan himself and the king of lies has done a number on our society, but this is no excuse to slack in the spiritual war. The reason to do anything in this life should be for the glory of God and love.

I'm not an expect, but I can tell you're going through spiritual distress. Prayer helps, and I would also recommend finding fellowship and what we in the Orthodox Church call a "spiritual father" to help guide you in these matters.

>>548694

Well, I appreciate the posts, anon. I'll think about what you said about forgiveness, but at the moment I am still pretty bitter whenever I see non-whites or women. I feel betrayed, and worse, many people want to tell me that I am wrong to feel this way, or that I shouldn't do anything about it, which feels almost as bad.

You're thinking too big. From what I'm reading of your responses, you have all these concerns but no solutions, all these dreams but no plan-of-action. The reason why so many in this thread suggest that you seek forgiveness is because you need peace more than anything. You will not save the world with this mental tempest bogging you down.

Speaking of which, recognize your place in the world at this moment. You're one man with limited resources and even further limited options because you've allowed emotions to cloud your judgements. You are better off starting small with small goals:

>finishing a book, reading a little each night

>going to the gym 3 times a week, the same time every time

>making a conscious effort to drink more water and less of everything else

>cleaning your room once a week

>slowly removing poisonous habits (porn, vidya, drugs, etc)

>going to someplace new every couple weeks: a trail, a church, a gym, a bar, a museum, etc

>>548687

life is suffering fam, that's like universal truth

i get what you're feeling tho life sucks because everyone has abandoned god and everyone's pretty much a hedonist

you sound pretty spiritually exhausted what this anon is said is right >>548687

prayer and repentance helps alot (although tbh i'm also struggling with this)

good luck on your spiritual journey anon, the embed might help

>>548703

> The reason why so many ITT suggest that you seek forgiveness is because you need peace more than anything

I will think about this

> You are better off starting small with small goals

But I don't understand what I am supposed to be aiming at. Why am I doing these things? >>548678 and >>548694 said that I need to help build of the Kingdom of God, for the glory of God and love, but I don't really see why that should be compelling. Maybe I'm just too nihilistic to 'get it', but that really doesn't sound as compelling as building a physical kingdom that I can actually see and touch.

>>548560

/pol/ is like porn. It's addictive and it changes your perspective on God's creation.

Step away from it for a while and see how it changes you.

>>548560

Why do you hate women and non-whites?

I know the fundamental differences between the nations, but I don't hate them for it. I just think people should stay with their own, anything else will and has led to more hatred and more chaos.

I realise the differences between men and women, but I don't hate women. Men's and women's roles are complimentary not opposed to each other.

But here's a nice website for like minded people: boards.4chan.org/pol/

>>548711

you can't see it because your mind is clouded and you're too attached to worldly pleasures

i think i can say for most that when you earnestly repent in prayer and humble yourself you will feel better but you need to take the first steps

Matthew 11:28-30

28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

>>548715

See >>548698 As a white male, I am feeling betrayed, and then shamed for feeling betrayed. This is a situation very conducive to resentment, which is why I came here. The anons ITT say I should forgive, which may be the correct answer, but I don't want to be betrayed again, or taken advantage of. How can I avoid being betrayed or taken advantage of?

>>548727

> I am feeling betrayed

Betrayal requires first establishing trust. Who gave you a sense of trust that they then betrayed and how did they betray you?

>>548729

Well, I feel betrayed by my parents, for failing to teach me about the world.

I feel betrayed by the leaders of my country, who have forsaken patriotism in order to make a quick buck via mass immigration.

I feel betrayed by the feminists who told me that they believed in equality, when they really wanted female supremacy.

I feel betrayed by the media, who said they could be trusted

I feel betrayed by my professors, who claimed to be teaching the truth

I feel betrayed by the Churches, for supporting feminists and liberals

Should I keep going?

>>548737

None of those people or institutions promised you anything nor do they owe you anything. The only person who has betrayed you is you.

>>548738

Nice, playing into my earlier point about being shamed for feeling betrayed. Fuck off.

>>548729

>>548738

Just ignore this lad, OP.

>>548739

But nobody has betrayed you. You perceive the betrayal because /pol/ has infected your mind.

>>548741

OP shouldn't ask questions if he doesn't want to hear the answers. I'm not sure he wants answers. He just wants confirmation of his biases and prejudices. He's come to the wrong board for that.

All are one in Christ. Not just "people I like". All.

>>548742

Why are you trying to enbitter he even more fighting over a word?

If you don't like "betrayed", change it for "fooled", or "unjustly treated".

>>548743

Your answers are shit, tho, mate.

>All are one in Christ. Not just "people I like". All.

Oh boy, you are really christian, aren't you? I'm clapping for you from here.

>>548745

But, again, OP has not been fooled by anyone but himself. There has been no unjust treatment. OP is acting like the world owes him something. It doesn't.

>>548746

It's a Christian board, you know. And all are one in Christ. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:28

>>548751

even so you shouldn't turn him away, for all have sinned and most of us were in OP's shoes did you even read why OP has this problem >>548751

>>548751

He is disgusted with the world. You should understand that if you aren't mentally handicaped.

>"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:28

You even know some bible verses, I'm really impressed by your debate prowess.

>>548753

>did you even read why OP has this problem

Yes. And I told him how to stop having the problem. See: >>548714

>>548746

Whatever, I filtered him. Putting my feelings into words helps, and putting things in terms of betrayal helps to clarify things. And it helps to make sense of why I should forgive them/society/etc. not because what they did/didn't do was wrong (parents failing to teach me, politicians flooding country with immigrants, girlfriend cheating on me, etc) but because it is the only way to emotional/psychological/spiritual freedom. I will meditate on this.

>>548600

Anon, it's true that people are trying to destroy us. Part of that effort involves destroying Christianity. Thus far, the (((enemy))) has done a fine job. One side of Christianity is filled with liberals, and the other side is filled with Israel Firsters who can't even science. Do you see what they've done? The Church is on a dysgenic path to destruction, and this will negatively affect the white race.

The way it's going now, whites with IQs above 100 will continue to have less than two kids per family, and the denser whites who believe in the 6,000 year old earth will fuck like rabbits. This is dysgenic, and we have to counter it. Anon, this is where you come in. God surely wishes for someone to speak up and challenge this evil. Be brave and speak truth in the face of this evil which pervades the current year!

>No, there is no such thing as a feminine penis, and yes, Jews who don't repent are going straight to Hell! And btw Brother Goldstein, there's a special place in Hell for those who deride the New Covenant as Replacement Theology! REEEEE!

If you go to church, you'll see that a given congregation is mostly people from the same race. They may pay lip service to it, but no one wants to racemix. I would add that the same is true for black Christians as well. The church exists as a place for the community to mentally and culturally coalesce, and if you are pro-White, you shouldn't throw that away.

>>548711

You aim for small things that improve your quality of life and remove stimuli that actively work against it.

>You go to the gym to be physically fit, build discipline, build self-esteem, and maintain the Temple.

>You periodically clean your home to keep it presentable, comfortable, and free of pests/quagmires of laziness.

>You learn an artform as a means of self-expression, wholesome creativity, and to help clear the mind of what ails you.

>You learn a hands-on trade to stay employer-competitive, build problem-solving skills, and pride in your work.

>You travel and see the world to appreciate the beauty of nature, the achievements of man, and unifying force of the two, God.

It's not that hard once you start thinking about it. When you give yourself these grandiose conspiracies and dreams of righting the wrongs they have brought upon you and your people, you blind yourself to the concrete problems in front of you: the obsession has led to a decay in your health, an atrophy of the soul. Small, perfectly doable actions become blurred and eventually invisible. That is why it's important to set different sized goals that can be achieved over realistic periods of time.

The best way to stop hating them is to never have to be around them.

Join a monestary or become a hermit.

>>548580

This basically. Go out and meet your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Love as you would love yourself. Find the source of the hate you have and be released from it's sinful grasp. Rehabilitating /pol/acks is not impossible

>>548560

“For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” Jeremiah 29:11

You were born during this time for a reason. Our Heavenly Father does not require more of his children than he knows they can bear. I know some days it seems enraging looking out at all the cultural rot and it seems so impossible we will return to a virtuous society, I have those thoughts too. But often our souls must withstand trial, we must walk through the valley of the shadow of death to test our commitment to the moral code He has lain out for us. My advice: advocate for righteousness to those around you, but don't allow hate to fester in your heart.

>>549382

I've been trying to focus on the fact that not ALL non-whites are horrible, awful, disgusting and filthy people.

It's okay to be against a group of people, some groups are dangerous to your nation, However you should give the benefit of the doubt (unless it's clear not to) to the individual. You shouldn't leave it up to your next anecdote, be cautious of the group and give the opportunity to the individual.

>>548560

Just resign yourself to the fact that they wallow in their filthy and sin and aren't likely to ever really improve, even with intervention.

Resign yourself to being perpetually disappointed, anticipating and forgiving before the opportunity of failure was even afforded.

>>548687

They want to break you. They want you cast out from society, withdrawn, inconsequential. We all need you in our corner anon, things never got better when good men gave up and let the reprobates win.

>>549417

I don't listen to music. I do visit /pol/ a lot though. Mainly for news, since it is impossible to get an unfiltered look at the world anywhere else, and I am high in trait intellect, so I crave novelty.

>>549424

It is very difficult to feel like 'you' are in my corner when 'we' as Christians are forbidden from pursuing ethno-nationalism. From the Catholic Catechism

> 1935 The equality of men rests essentially on their dignity as persons and the rights that flow from it:

> Every form of social or cultural discrimination in fundamental personal rights on the grounds of sex, race, color, social conditions, language, or religion must be curbed and eradicated as incompatible with God's design."

Catholics are really the only branch of Christianity worth taking seriously, and they mandate that I racially cuck myself from the outset.

There is nothing wrong with understanding the differences in races. Because we are not the same. The only wrong thing you are doing is 'hating'. It will be your initial reaction to understanding them, but I urge you to understand people of all races are from a different spirit. They have a different perspective and skills.

>>549407

How can I know what plans Christ has for me? I am at a somewhat serious crossroads in my life, I don't know what to do.

>>549732

No, but I did go to school there briefly.

>>549474

How can I not hate them? They are flooding my country, and I do not like the traits they bring with them

>>551260

>Non-Trinitarian

Mods, found an heretic

You arent welcome on this board, JW

this is what cuckthianity does, turns men into nigger lovers.

appalling.

>>551104

Look at poland, anon.

>>551263

'Love your neighbor as yourself. means you're suppose to have love for yourself as well, you're not following the greatest commandment if you "love" someone who harms you or your family. A cuckold would also be committing fornication and adultery.

Race: I'm coming from /pol and believe we different from each other. There's enough research on IQ, agression, etc. But does that mean we have to hate them? I think the Christian faith can bring everybody in line. They have souls too, so they are worth saving. In do think that people should stay more or less in their own country. Got divided us for a reason (tower of Babel), so part of the agenda os making us all one again, one government, one narioo, one language. That's the real problem.

>>548737

You are not the only one. As a woman, I feel betrayed too. I was told I don't need to marry right away. Actually even my family told me to wait! That I could have both, a family and a career. I was told being feminine is bad, weak, something laughable. I was told stay-at-home wifes are the lowest, dumbest women out there. That staying at home is useless, slavery, degrading. Everytime I'd put on a dress some women would openly mock me for looking feminine. Can a single man in Europe support a family on one income? Hardly.

My point: we have all been lied to! Turning everybody against each other is exactly what they want. You are falling for it, captivated, mesmerised by it.

There are hardly any uncucked men out there anymore. The ones that aren't just sleep around and won't be the head of a family. Or they are depressed and hopeless. But most are chucked to the max. Just repeating what they hear in the media or at school. Exactly like the women. Total drones. It's so tiring.

Am I hating men? No, because I know we didn't chose this, but it was forced onto us. We've all been programmed, lied to. So yeah, I feel betrayed too. The hate is part of the program. You have been played. You are right on schedule.

I found this to be interesting on tje topic of immigration

https://www.wretched.org/flashback-friday-immigration/

I'm Italian, never saw myself nor my people as "white", only European or Italian. I wish to love God above all things and my people too.

>>551485

No, no, anon, you're misinterpreting this. We're not supposed to love ourselves or hold our self-love as a standard of love for others. We're supposed to be loving others as 'being like ourselves,' or love them because they're of the same nature as us. That is to say, we should love them because all men are made in the image and likeness of Christ.

>>552172

You definition sounds more correct. However when you love someone it doesn't mean you let them walk over you or harm you.

>canadian

oh my…

i sympathise

it would be so much easier if this wasn't being forced on you