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>>548235

that's not heresy, just sloopy speculation i guess.

>>548235

definitely not heresy to imagine what Heaven will be like. For instance, what will be the extent of our sociality after the Resurrection? Lazarus was standing with Abraham as a man stands with a friend. We will have perfected bodies, but will they look like us as we are? Does God choose a perfect face and frame or do we get to choose? Will we live in a garden like Eden? Will it be a city like Revelations? Will we eat what we want? Isaiah speaks of animals playing with each other that were once predator and prey. Will we be able to have a pet lion or ride on a whale? It is a great spiritual exercise in thanksgiving and faith to imagine within reason the possibilities of graces that will be poured out in full upon us after the Judgement.

i thought everyone believed this.

took it for granted i guess.

which denominations think all reward in heaven will be equal?

>>548235

We had a homily a while back on Matt 21:31 - Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the kingdom of God before you.

Now, there are two principal questions that are raised in commentary about this - are they going in now, or will they go in, and is it exclusive - that is, they go in and you do not?

The exact go in is proagó, conjugated in the third person present indicative - I go to the store, etc. Now there's no other use of this conjugation, but there is a use of the first person present indicative, in Mt 28:

Then go quickly and tell his disciples that he has risen from the dead, and behold, he is going before you to Galilee; there you will see him. See, I have told you.”

Now, consider the verb here - if it says he eventually goes to Galilee where you will see him, that's bad. If it says he goes to Galilee and you do not, that's worse.

Bottom line: The Kingdom of Heaven is a real thing, and we're offered bits of it on Earth, through repentance, grace, sacraments, and liturgy. The rewards of the Christian life don't just occur when you're dead.

>>548235

Tridentine mass is probably the closet a human will get to experiencing heaven

There are multiple levels of Heaven, although Paradise is the first level and the fullness of Heaven will only be available to the elect after we receive our resurrected, spiritual bodies.

>>548418

Depends. You never went to a 30-minutes long TLM with a seemingly bored priest and nobody chanting besides one proud trad in the back.