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Vatican releases stamp to commerate Reformation Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 19:41:01 d00adf No.547702

It was October 31, 1517, when Martin Luther, an Augustinian friar and theologian, put up his 95 theses on the door of the church in Wittenberg. Last year, on the occasion of his journey to Sweden for the Joint Catholic-Lutheran Commemoration of the Reformation, Pope Francis expressed his gratitude to God for the opportunity to remember such an important event “with a renewed spirit and in the recognition that Christian unity is a priority, because we realize that much more unites us than separates us.”

A joint statement that was signed during the visit noted in the past “that Lutherans and Catholics have wounded the visible unity of the Church. Theological differences were accompanied by prejudice and conflicts, and religion was instrumentalized for political ends. Our common faith in Jesus Christ and our baptism demand of us a daily conversion, by which we cast off the historical disagreements and conflicts that impede the ministry of reconciliation.”

“All of us are well aware”, Pope Francis affirmed on another occasion, “that the past cannot be changed. Yet today…it is possible to engage in a purification of memory”, without “resentment” that “distorts”.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 19:49:12 78e09b No.547710

APOSTOLICS YES!

Thanks for the stamp, Whore of Babylon!

(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST)

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 20:57:31 e8082d No.547737

File: fdd8a0a25ee4ff4⋯.jpg (77 KB, 680x517, 680:517, vatican-stamp-luther-refor….jpg)

Here's the heretical and ecumenist stamp. Lord, have mercy on us.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 21:10:15 455886 No.547743

>>547737

That's a nice stamp

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 21:11:29 5ba941 No.547744

>>547737

That's actually kind of nice? Why do you turn your back on reconciliation?

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 21:12:38 3269ec No.547745

God, please strike Francis down already. Our suffering has gone for too long already.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 21:17:35 5ba941 No.547748

>>547745

The "Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification" was signed in 1999 and has nothing to do with Francis. Also, asking God to strike the Pope down? Remove that flag.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 21:17:51 e8082d No.547749

>>547744

>>547743

How would you like it if the Vatican put out a stamp of the crucifixion that said "there was a time when the Son was not" to commemorate Arius? We do not celebrate heresiarchs.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 21:20:13 5ba941 No.547751

>>547749

It is not the position of the Catholic Church that the Lutheran Church is heretical. The JDDJ states that the churches now share "a common understanding of our justification by God's grace through faith in Christ."

Your fee-fees don't matter.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 21:21:47 e8082d No.547752

>>547751

Exactly, more proof that the Catholic Church is heretical.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 21:21:55 3269ec No.547753

>>547748

You can bet your ass that if Benedict was the Pope this wouldn't have happened. It is Francis who spends more time with Lutherans and supposedly Christian refugees than actual believers.

Where do you live? Have you never had a tyrant rule in your country? It doesn't mean you don't love your country if the ruler is terrible. Your post reeks of smug self satisfaction. Get out of here!

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 21:24:05 5ba941 No.547755

>>547753

>if Benedict was the Pope this wouldn't have happened

https://www.romereports.com/en/2016/10/12/benedict-xvi-s-idea-to-commemorate-the-500th-anniversary-of-the-protestant-reformation/

OH RLY?

Remove that flag, sedememer.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 21:38:13 eb8028 No.547762

File: 390a6bb36344dbb⋯.png (35.59 KB, 321x322, 321:322, 1234565432435.png)

>you will get to witness a new schism in the RCC within your lifetime

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 21:45:47 9cc0f3 No.547765

File: 81a63ce8323bc76⋯.png (391.49 KB, 500x537, 500:537, luther.png)

>>547762

mfw

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 21:48:46 980e56 No.547769

File: cc06bc2ae1cca96⋯.png (802.2 KB, 1330x1080, 133:108, 65384caab09b006f213d03d877….png)

>>547762

>papa francis will trigger the treacherous traditionalists into leaving of their own accord

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 21:53:24 5ba941 No.547776

>>547762

No, you won't. Angry internet trolls != schism.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 21:53:39 eb8028 No.547777

File: 73ef37591ab5867⋯.jpg (62.17 KB, 210x330, 7:11, 103485428.jpg)

>>547765

>>547769

Calling it now, RCC is going to split, along with the Anglos.

And GNOSITICISM will make a comeback.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 22:08:23 f9d721 No.547780

File: 7a33917cb7dd65c⋯.png (2.74 MB, 936x1198, 468:599, calvin.png)

>>547777

>Holy Quints

Is it confirmed?

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 22:41:15 68e1a0 No.547793

>>547745

That's not good anon.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 22:43:02 004133 No.547795

I have no idea how you guys can possibly defend this.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 23:07:56 1f30a9 No.547805

Vatican is STILL salty!

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 23:11:13 fe49d8 No.547807

>>547795

We do not.

The Vatican is out of control, even worst than it was with the Arian pope.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 23:19:06 3240bc No.547809

>>547807

t. Rat jumping the ship

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 23:32:46 684eca No.547814

>>547762

Why do you want to fuck a schism?

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 23:38:11 5cd67a No.547816

File: 9aa788040c01a49⋯.jpeg (2.83 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, 8EF7D2C1-804F-48B5-BA0E-0….jpeg)

Luther in an icon lol

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 23:38:21 4d3e3e No.547817

File: ca1f296a082b372⋯.jpeg (41.56 KB, 454x453, 454:453, A34951D2-A8A8-4E84-9BFA-1….jpeg)

>>547777

>that get

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 23:41:04 0ed24e No.547819

>>547737

Anyone who likes Francis is quite simply a heretic. The sooner he is gone, the better.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 23:41:23 5642c2 No.547820

>>547777

Gnosticism is already making a comeback.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 23:50:24 e8082d No.547821

>>547819

t. sede in denial

I left the RCC because of this (((ecumenist))) garbage.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 23:52:32 0ed24e No.547823

>>547821

Sure (((you))) did. If you leave the church because of a bad pope you didn't understand it anyway.

Christanon 10/31/17 (Tue) 23:54:46 3240bc No.547825

>>547816

>Luther

>Lenin

>Mohammed

>Pope

Getting some really mixed signals here.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:07:24 e8082d No.547831

>>547823

You claim that the Pope is infallible but the pope has been proved fallible when he signed off on Vatican II which says that Muslims worship the same God as us and that Jews can be saved without accepting Christ.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:12:09 5ba941 No.547834

>>547831

The Pope is not infallible. If you don't know what Papal infallibility means, then you're not Catholic nor have you studied Church dogma. Stop pretending that memes = education.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:12:17 0a4cd6 No.547835

File: 67cd6be418e5816⋯.jpg (80.76 KB, 564x846, 2:3, 65877.jpg)

>>547831

>You claim that the Pope is infallible

I mean that's a huge indicator that you never understood the doctrines of Catholicism. It doesn't work like that where every word that the Pope mutters is infallible. The only times when the Pope is infallible is when he speaks ex cathedra, with the full authority of office. This has only happened a few times historically with all the popes.

>when he signed off on Vatican II which says that Muslims worship the same God as us and that Jews can be saved without accepting Christ.

This never happened. Read the rest of the Catechism in that particular section, where in the next few lines it says:

Outside the Church there is no salvation

and

Mission - a requirement of the Church's catholicity

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm

Here is what John Paul II had to say about Islam:

>Whoever knows the Old and New Testaments, and then reads the Koran, clearly sees the process by which it completely reduces Divine Revelation. It is impossible not to note the movement away from what God said about Himself, first in the Old Testament through the Prophets, and then finally in the New Testament through His Son. In Islam all the richness of God's self-revelation, which constitutes the heritage of the Old and New Testaments, has definitely been set aside. Some of the most beautiful names in the human language are given to the God of the Koran, but He is ultimately a God outside of the World, a God who is only Majesty, never Emmanuel, God-with-us. Islam is not a religion of redemption. There is no room for the Cross and the Resurrection(p. 92).

I don't where you got the part about the Jews, but nobody ever said that. Read the Catechism and you will see it says that there is no salvation outside the Church.

Post last edited at 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:13:27

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:16:40 e8082d No.547838

>>547834

Yes I know, the Pope is only supposedly infallible when he speaks "ex catedra"

>>547835

>I mean that's a huge indicator that you never understood the doctrines of Catholicism. It doesn't work like that where every word that the Pope mutters is infallible. The only times when the Pope is infallible is when he speaks ex cathedra, with the full authority of office. This has only happened a few times historically with all the popes.

I never said that, but the Catholic Church teaches that the Pope, when exercising his authority as the pastor of the Universal Church, and defines a dogma to be believed by the whole church, is preserved from error. That is papal infalliblity. Are you saying that Vatican II was not a doctrine to be believed by the whole church? Is Vatican II not doctrine?

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:17:58 e8082d No.547839

>>547838

*cathedra

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:22:22 0a4cd6 No.547840

File: 2bfe7bf42c97c35⋯.jpg (93.68 KB, 768x960, 4:5, 17523203_10155241339749204….jpg)

>>547838

>and defines a dogma to be believed by the whole church, is preserved from error.

What erroneous dogmas has Francis created?

I hope you realize that the stamp you posted is fake, the only site for it is LifeSiteNews (notoriously anti-Catholic). It's about as real as the one in OP.

Also, ecumenism to some extent is required. How else will we convert non-Catholics? Being charitable and exemplifying Christ goes a longer way in convert others than insulting them; we prove that Christ is the Son of God by emulating him.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:30:02 e8082d No.547845

>>547840

>What erroneous dogmas has Francis created?

Amoris Latetia, but that's a different topic. The fact of the matter is that you as a Catholic believe Vatican II to be an ecumenical council and therefore infallible. And Vatican II says in the document Nostra Aetate that the Catholic Church "holds with esteem" Muslims who "adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth…"

But this is blatantly false, Muslims do not worship God.

>I hope you realize that the stamp you posted is fake, the only site for it is LifeSiteNews (notoriously anti-Catholic). It's about as real as the one in OP.

Wrong. https://zenit.org/articles/two-new-vatican-postage-stamps/ There are also other sites reporting the same thing.

>With a penitential disposition, kneeling respectively on the left and right of the cross, Martin Luther holds the Bible, source and destination of his doctrine, while Philipp Melanchthon, theologian and friend of Martin Luther, one of the main protagonists of the reform, holds in hand the Augsburg Confession (Confessio Augustana), the first official public presentation of the principles of Protestantism written by him.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:31:17 0ed24e No.547846

>>547840

>I hope you realize that the stamp you posted is fake, the only site for it is LifeSiteNews (notoriously anti-Catholic). It's about as real as the one in OP.

Why do you lie? You keep saying lifesite is a notoriously anti catholic website but that is a malicious lie. You do realize malicious lies are a grave sin right?

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:32:02 c5474c No.547847

File: c4cd2bf3cd0b36d⋯.jpg (1.79 MB, 683x5000, 683:5000, antichrist.jpg)

>>547710

i'll take one too, mods, in honor of reformation day.

the roman catholic church is the fetid whore of babylon.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:34:52 5cd67a No.547848

>>547825

what mixed signals? they are ALL the enemies of the church

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:44:47 0a4cd6 No.547855

File: 23aad51b30d9b9d⋯.jpg (53.38 KB, 499x496, 499:496, natalia.jpg)

>>547846

>Why do you lie?

I'm not. I spend enough time around Christian forums to know that LSN twists article just like the secular media in regards to Catholicism. I'd rather read an article from the Washington Post about the Vatican than from LifeSiteNews. Browse their articles about the Church and see for yourself, they're worse sensationalists than ChurchMilitant.

>>547845

>And Vatican II says in the document Nostra Aetate that the Catholic Church "holds with esteem" Muslims who "adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth…"

Yes, what is the problem with this? They profess their belief in the Abrahamic God.

That line was added by John Paul II and if you didn't read what I posted earlier, here is what he says about Islam:

<Whoever knows the Old and New Testaments, and then reads the Koran, clearly sees the process by which it completely reduces Divine Revelation. It is impossible not to note the movement away from what God said about Himself, first in the Old Testament through the Prophets, and then finally in the New Testament through His Son. In Islam all the richness of God's self-revelation, which constitutes the heritage of the Old and New Testaments, has definitely been set aside. Some of the most beautiful names in the human language are given to the God of the Koran, but He is ultimately a God outside of the World, a God who is only Majesty, never Emmanuel, God-with-us. Islam is not a religion of redemption. There is no room for the Cross and the Resurrection(p. 92).

The Muslims are almost exactly like the Mormons, except they have Muhammad instead of Joseph Smith. The first Christians that heard of them thought they were a Christian heresy, because they almost are. What they believe is a heresy, of course, but ignoring the fact that they profess faith in the Abrahamic God would also be ludicrous.

>Wrong. https://zenit.org/articles/two-new-vatican-postage-stamps/ There are also other sites reporting the same thing.

I'm not really going to trust a blog, either. Trust me, if this was real then all the other major Catholic sources would be jumping at it to report it.

>>547847

>men whose entire careers depend on upholding the lie that the Church isn't created by Christ say that the Church isn't created by Christ

colour me surprised

It's like Pastor Bob saying "t-the papists are worshiping Satan" because he needs the money from Billy Joel and Cletus who show up to his service and doesn't want them to convert to Catholicism. This is common sense.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:45:40 004133 No.547857

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>547777

>You were born just in time to witness Ainsley Harriott lead the Gnostic revivalism

He put something in the rub, didn't he?!

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:49:46 e8082d No.547859

>>547855

>Yes, what is the problem with this? They profess their belief in the Abrahamic God.

No, the document clearly says that they DO worship God, supposedly. Let's have a look:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

>3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

<They profess their belief in the Abrahamic God.

>The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God

So yeah, V2 literally says that Muslims worship God even though that's false.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:54:17 0a4cd6 No.547862

>>547859

maybe my English is just weak but I don't how else I can get my point across

We also believe in the Abrahamic God, just like them, except we also believe in the divinity of Christ.

It's like the Muslims own a lite version of the same car as us but we own the full version with all the features.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:54:29 5cd67a No.547863

File: 082af1ecc853cde⋯.webm (205.23 KB, 360x360, 1:1, 1418565040729.webm)

>>547857

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 00:57:13 e8082d No.547865

>>547862

>We also believe in the Abrahamic God, just like them, except we also believe in the divinity of Christ.

Wrong. Muslims don't believe in Christ and therefore don't believe in the Father either:

>Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son, hath the Father also.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 01:01:10 2eec6b No.547870

>>547862

You seem confused. Christ is the God of Abraham. If Christ isn't your God, then you have a god other than Abraham, and cannot be said to adore the one God.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 01:05:29 0ed24e No.547877

>>547855

You claimed the postage stamp was a fake because it was from LSN. The stamp is real and you're full of shit. LSN and Church militant expose corruption in the church that you would rather stay hidden.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 01:11:50 c5474c No.547882

File: eb09b2c3642a8eb⋯.png (242.64 KB, 1042x478, 521:239, fatboy.png)

>>547862

>We also believe in the Abrahamic God, just like them

the god of islam is not the God of Abraham, allah is a physical being who is short, hen-toed, woolly-haired, but has two eyes instead of one (pic related)

also: he has two right hands and a shin

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 01:15:40 a2ed1e No.547883

>>547865

They don't have the Father, this does not mean they don't believe they worship the Father.

>>547870

There is only one God. That they don't have the fullness of divine revelation does not mean they do not worship God, it only means they worship God with an incorrect understanding of God. Your claim is like saying Jews in the OT did not worship God because they did not know about the Trinity. They just worshipped God with an incomplete understanding of God. That is all.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 01:16:16 3240bc No.547885

>>547882

But it says that's the description of the antichrist.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 01:20:40 2eec6b No.547886

>>547883

>There is only one God

>you can worship the Father without worshipping Jesus Christ

Pick one.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 01:20:40 e8082d No.547887

>>547885

Yeah it does. But then Muhammad says that Allah doesn't have an eye missing in case you see Allah and mistake him for the Antichrist.

>>547883

Muslims call Allah "the great deceiver". Is God the great deceiver? No, Satan is!

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 01:21:10 c5474c No.547888

>>547885

yeah, it's subtle.

it is the description of the antichrist, but he is worried that they will be confused between the antichrist and allah (think about why.)

so he tells them that difference between allah and the dajjal's appearance is that the dajjal only has one eye, whereas allah has two.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 01:25:27 0a4cd6 No.547890

>>547888

>>547882

that's actually really spooky

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 01:33:23 a2ed1e No.547894

>>547886

You can worship an imperfect understanding of the Father without worshipping Christ. That is why it is imperfect.

>>547887

>Muslims call Allah "the great deceiver". Is God the great deceiver? No, Satan is!

Again, an imperfect understanding.

I don't see what is so hard about thing. You can vote for someone based on believing things about them that aren't true, or not believing things about them that are true, so obviously you can worship God despite believing things that aren't true, or not believing things that are true.

An wrong understanding does not mean a different being. It just means an wrong understanding. Obviously muslims are wrong about God, and obviously their faith won't save them given they deny the Son, but none of that has any bearing on whether or not they profess to worship the God of Abraham.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 01:43:30 2eec6b No.547899

>>547894

If you can separate the Father and the Son in worship then they are different gods. It is impossible to worship the one true God without worshipping Jesus Christ. What the Muslims worship is a false god of their own vain imaginations, Allah is just another Zeus.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 01:43:35 3240bc No.547900

File: e50b874fcfef669⋯.jpg (135.33 KB, 1904x1064, 34:19, 316.jpg)

>>547887

>>547888

Huh, weird. Would love to see a cartoonish rendition of this chimeric Allah, like that mockery of the Lord South Park did a while back.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 16:41:47 980e56 No.548118

>>547777

Gnosticism is already making a comeback, it's a refuge for the spiritually lazy and arrogant.

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 18:12:37 3dea47 No.548140

JUST

I'm a strong protestant who thinks RCC adherents are saved despite the RCC, not for it, but this pisses ME off

Christanon 11/01/17 (Wed) 18:50:15 fe49d8 No.548147

>>547809

Oh I ain't jumping, I'm just telling as I see.

Christanon 11/02/17 (Thu) 06:17:09 12dd34 No.548365

>>547737

How is it heretical? Do you even know what that word means?

Christanon 11/02/17 (Thu) 08:53:32 a09d91 No.548392

>>548365

Commemorating / venerating a heresiarch.

Christanon 11/02/17 (Thu) 08:55:59 824cfc No.548393

>>548392

This

Christanon 11/02/17 (Thu) 09:04:46 12dd34 No.548394

>>548392

>>548393

>commemorating

And? This does not imply agreement with his heresies. It's merely for the purpose of pushing reunion, which is still the aim of the Catholic church whether you like it or not.

>venerating

Nobody is venerating a stamp you imbecile.

Christanon 11/02/17 (Thu) 12:00:42 2941d0 No.548410

>>548118

But it's apostolic!

https://www.johannite.org/

Christanon 11/02/17 (Thu) 17:19:48 7aec3f No.548518

>>547819

>Anyone who likes Francis is quite simply a heretic

While I personally don't like the pope myself (I don't think he's a good leader, also makes vague statements that allows the (((Media))) to twist his words beyond belief) this sentiment is just silly

HOWEVER

I hope we see the likes of Cardinal Sarah or Cardinal Burke in the chair of St. Peter soon

Christanon 11/02/17 (Thu) 18:33:39 0ed24e No.548550

>>548518

>vague statements that allows the (((Media))) to twist his words beyond belief)

He makes vague and confusing statements so that heretics can interpret it the way they want to. When the heretics do heretical things he does nothing to stop them. The people who like him are either completely uninformed or heretics.