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414311 No.546459

Bros I need advice and resources, ideally Evangelical, on the arguments around the interpretation of Ephesians 5:22-32

My girl has stated directly that she will not submit to a rule of no alcohol I would place on our household if we were married.

Her position: I'm demonstrating a lack of trust and am limiting her Christian liberty on an issue she feels strongly scripture is permissive of, alcohol consumption.

My position: there is no exception written in to the call for wives to submit to their husband, picking which things to submit to because you agree is akin to picking which biblical instructions to follow. This demonstrates she does not have a biblical view of the role of a wife in marriage and causes concern for her eligibility to marry.

Please keep in mind I'm presenting this as gently as possible.

I'd love for you to tell me I'm wrong and why, I suspect there's something I'm missing in verse 21 saying "submit to one another" using the same "submit" as wives to husbands

19cecb No.546467

>>546459

While I agree with submission, you are prohibiting communion, and that is a problem.

If you're okay with communion then, sure, I think that's a fine rule.

It may have nothing to do with lack of trust in -her- Did she consider you might have a problem with alcohol and don't want the temptation around? That knowing she's going out to drink might drive you to try it to your destruction?

But, hey, if drinking is more important (outside of communion) to her than living with a God-centered man then she's already made her choice and you should be glad she was silly enough to tell you so you can find someone else.

I don't agree with your no-drinking rule in general, but I agree with your submission point and you may have specific issues that make that rule right for your household (excepting for communion, of course)


92d2db No.546474

There is no if, and, or but's about ephesians 5:22-32 for a wife. Just like there is no if, and, or but's about romans 13 for christians. She must submit to you, as you are her authority being her husband 1 corinthians 7:4,39. Now that said, drinking achohol is permitted in the Bible as long as you are following the guidelines of Isaiah 5:22-23, Proverbs 31:4-7, and 1 corinthians 8:13. While also, do not be so froward towards her 1 peter 2:18-20 while remembering to not spare punishment proverbs 23:15 lest you be a castaway 1 corinthians 9:27 as she is your own body 1 corinthians 6:16.


414311 No.546475

>>546467

That would be an issue if she felt communion needed to be alcoholic wine, but it's not applicable here.

I do not have a problem with drunkenness myself, but I want my household to have nothing to do with alcohol, in large part for my witness in a context laden with alcoholism.

I phrased the question as "if I asked you to never wear pants, only skirts and dresses" (making it clear this is not a rule I intend to place) to emphasize the point being the authority structure, not an obsession with alcohol, and she felt the same way. This tells me she isn't just hung up on the alcohol and truly sees it as a question of marital roles.

Another complication is how she's very clear that she's willing to sacrifice very much for me. I'm intending to be a military chaplain and she would move wherever I need to go and miss me on any potential deployments


4925fb No.546477

>>546459

>My girl has stated directly that she will not submit to a rule of no alcohol I would place on our household if we were married.

Inform her that she cannot serve two masters


414311 No.546480

>>546474

Thanks for the careful citations. We're unmarried still.


92d2db No.546489

>>546480

If you aren't married then you have no authority over her and she doesn't have to care or do what you say. But her stating that she will not submit to you if you were married is very much against romans 13 as in such a case you would be her authority.


87e8b9 No.546490

>>546480

Don't listen to hafizposter, he's a heretic.


95191c No.546506

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>>546459

It's good that you discovered this before you were married. If she is willing to go against you on this, what else would be next? Is she going to start dressing like a hooker and you're just going to have to accept that too?

Watch vid.




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