IT'S HAPPENING: HUMANAE VITAE ABOUT TO BE REFORMED

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IT'S HAPPENING: HUMANAE VITAE ABOUT TO BE REFORMED Christanon 10/23/17 (Mon) 09:24:22 34ca9b No.543341

I wrote a month ago because there were rumors here in Italy about an imminent reform of humanae vitae

I told you that the Vatican had already formed a commission for this task and names were already circulating

and now, I can tell you, the situation is evolving, they are preparing the people for this reform, indeed on "Avvenire", the newspaper of italian bishop conference

we find this article: https://www.avvenire.it/famiglia-e-vita/pagine/humanae-vitae-sguardi-sul-futuro

let me translate it for you

basically it says that at the Pontificial Gregorian University from October to May it will be organized, I will quote, a "training course" in order to "understand how to harmonize Humanae Vitae precepts with the renovation in light of the PRIMACY OF CONSCIENCE present in amoris laetitia"

the articles goes on interviewing the organizer of the course, teacher of ethics at the university who says he wants "to analize the themes in H.V. in light of the changements of the last decades […] in order to allow this document to speak to men and women of our present time"

later in the article the conference of bishops newspaper (let's not forget it, this is not a tabloid) lets his mask to fall, saying that HV was not intended from Paul VI to be infallible and irreformable (!?!? whut), that it's time for an evolution of the current precepts on birth regulations which (these precepts) are "not crystallized for eternity, how the grim defenders of a morality out of reality want us to believe"

they want to demolish Humanae Vitae, modernists are already opening their champagne bottles, and some traditionalist too because when it comes to sexuality even some traditionalists discover themselves very modernists

I end this thread reporting the last rumors that are circulating in Italy: the result of the reformation of HV is going to be the possibility to use the condom, this possibility will be granted case by case, taking inspiration from Amoris Laetitia

Christanon 10/23/17 (Mon) 09:36:04 754633 No.543344

Only reason condoms aren't tolerated when NFP is is because of natural law theory tbh.

NFP is or isn't a sin based on intent. The same is true for other forms of non-abortifacient contraception in Orthodoxy, and Catholicism's distinction between NFP and other forms of non-abortifacient contraception does not make sense to me.

But honestly, this seems a bit soon to try to follow the Orthodox approach. Smells like schism and controversy are around the corner for the Catholics. Lord have mercy.

Christanon 10/23/17 (Mon) 10:33:06 b734b1 No.543357

It will be funny to watch tradcats sperg out about how now it is ok because daddy Rome says it is, despite the fact they would call it an abomination when the orthos allow it.

Christanon 10/23/17 (Mon) 11:12:00 fbc33f No.543362

HV? More like HIV.

Christanon 10/23/17 (Mon) 13:33:00 233f93 No.543409

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Christanon 10/23/17 (Mon) 15:08:51 03a3dc No.543435

>>543344

This.

I don't understand the reasoning behind NFP. The Catholic Church claims contraception is a sin because it leaves no chance for conception, but NFP is apparently just as efficient as the pill or condoms at stopping conception. What difference does it make then, considering the former two unnatural options also can fail and allow conception?

Christanon 10/23/17 (Mon) 20:28:49 276eae No.543552

>>543344

>>543435

The evil of contraception doesn't lay principally in avoiding children - this can be done morally, and even when lacking a compensating reason it is, if I remember correctly, often only a venial fault.

Contraception is always gravely disordered because you modify the sexual act itself to achieve the goal of avoiding children, which modification goes against the nature of sexual act. This distortion places it among such sins as sodomy, in which the proper way of having sex also gets unnaturally perverted.

NFP isn't contraception in the proper meaning of this term precisely because the acts themselves aren't modified, only the time at which they are done.

Christanon 10/23/17 (Mon) 22:18:23 9433e1 No.543578

>>543341

>and some traditionalist too because when it comes to sexuality even some traditionalists discover themselves very modernists

Huh?

Christanon 10/24/17 (Tue) 00:02:20 9433e1 No.543613

Why didn't this thread bump?

Christanon 10/24/17 (Tue) 04:35:35 22bd3b No.543687

>>543552

>Contraception is always gravely disordered because you modify the sexual act itself to achieve the goal of avoiding children, which modification goes against the nature of sexual act. This distortion places it among such sins as sodomy, in which the proper way of having sex also gets unnaturally perverted.

So, natural law theory. I wonder what the position of the Catholic Church would've been today if Aquinas didn't have as much popularity as he did, or simply did not address natural law.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind it (although today natural law theory can be borderline flat-earthism-tier with some of the biological facts we know), but this is not the justification the Fathers used against contraception (including NFP, by the way).