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I'm on a phone and can't post much for now. But there are recorded facts about appearance of the dead (mostly saints, but sometimes even damned) to people in church history, so there is definitely an afterlife.

But my general argument would be the Resurrection of Jesus. And yes, i believe it happened, because lots of people saw it and converted and apostles were frayed to death, crucified, beheaded and so on for what they saw. So after examining the history, I came to conclusion that Resurrection is true. And if the Guy who rises from the dead tells me that there is an afterlife, I think I'll believe him.

>>543312

>I'm on a phone and can't post much for now. But there are recorded facts about appearance of the dead (mostly saints, but sometimes even damned) to people in church history, so there is definitely an afterlife.

I would like to see an unbiased source on this. I am skeptical of everything, which is probably why I'm not an atheist, as I am even skeptical of being skeptical, as in, it'd be foolish to believe there is no God without a shadow of a doubt without any evidence.

>But my general argument would be the Resurrection of Jesus. And yes, i believe it happened

This is probably my last saving grace, as Jesus has been proven to actually exist, and there have been witnesses to his rebirth, but there have been witnesses to other things.

I am 90% sure edgelords are trying to keep people like myself skeptical of it, and if Christianity is right, servants of Satan would try to do whatever they can to make sure people like me are skeptical, but I can't take comfort in that.

>if the Guy who rises from the dead tells me that there is an afterlife, I think I'll believe him.

People have been pronounced dead before, those are NDEs, heck people have even been buried before.

>>543316

There is a limit to where skepticism is healthy and when it becomes Illness. By this logic, you can't even prove your existence. So I would advise you to trust the sources that are presented (I hope that other anons on computers will write some)

As for the last part of your reply, in that case, apostles wouldn't be celebrating Resurrection of Jesus, but would start running like madman asking for help, to heal his injuries. Also, Thomas literally poked his hand in his wound and admitted that he was truly Jesus risen from dead (again, if Jesus would be just fakely dead, his severe wounds would just scare apostles and the rest that saw Him.)

Atheism is more of a cop-out formed out of fear. If, and this is a big if, atheists are right then death would be the same as that time before you were born.

A fear I used to share, but now I rarely think about it anymore.

I started to read the Bible daily after I was convinced Christianity is the truth. It gradually took away my fears of death, to the point that I don't believe in nonexistence anymore.

There is, also, no ""evidence"" for true life before death. Death is just a material event. But your life is not a material thing, because particles and forces are only particles and forces.

Your very existence and consciousness is a mystery, but you have gotten used to it so you have devaluated it. Every thought, emotion, the perception of morals, identifying things as good or bad, the very fear of death… are things that you can't explain with the material at all. Atheists try to say they are caused by chemicals, but that is completely nonsensical, because chemicals are just chemicals and nothing more, so they are as much of a cause as a random chair, or table.

When you understand that life is not material, you will not be terrified of material things that way. Because if the material events you call death meant you stopped existing, then you would not have existed at all before, so there is nothing to worry about.

If life was something material, then before there are some atoms in space, and afterwards there are some atoms in space. So there is no true change, there is no death.

If life is not material, then death does not destroy you, but is a change.

>>543370

Also, summing up, OP: you want a miracle. But life itself is a miracle, because there is NO IMAGINABLE OBSERVATION of the material that could explain it.

Do you want something more "mundane"? Ask about the Turin Shroud

And another thought: why would people fearh death? In order to truly fear it, we must assume a materialistic approach. But in this materialistic approach, why fear death if it is a natural thing? Why are we not perfectly happy with it? Animals react to pain through instincts, but you can see videos of half-butchered animals remain perfectly calm, as if nothing happened to them.

In this materialistic approach, we also become biological machines, so why see things as good or bad? A computer des not feel, isn't consciouss. A machine is like a rock, so why is there any being where there is only a chain reaction of particles and forces? And even if we assume things like happiness and fear can exist in this scenario (they can't), why aren't we perfectly happy? Why aren't we happy with what we have? If we only experience one reality, why aren't we perfectly happy with it in the materialistic world?

>>543370

This really doesn't help.

>>543316

>as Jesus has been proven to actually exist

Don't wait for historians to tell you he exists. For a long time, many historians denied his existence during the renaissance, and most atheist historians deny his resurrection even today anyways, otherwise they'd all be Christians. It's like going to the enemy to try and get the truth.

>>543342

>Then the thought occurred, "I did not create myself." so something created me, something has power over me, something ordered me, and it was not my parents (how could they? parents don't choose their kids), and it wasn't nature alone (for nature is quite blind and requires ordering herself). So I investigated that Power and eventually became Christian.

That's a very thought-provoking line of thinking.

>>543382

Ok anon, then I will try the other approach: you are a retard. You are already mentally ded so there's nothing to fear. Happy now?

>>543394

You're a butt.

>>543395

No, you are. I have carefully written a huge wall of text that shows how being afraid of death causing nonexistence is absurd.

The answer: not some objection to any part of it, just a generic "this doesn't help", pretending you read any of it.

The part about being rearded, by the way, is true.

>>543397

I read the entire thing, I just didn't know what else to say aside from it not helping.

Saying "Atheists try to say they are caused by chemicals, but that is completely nonsensical, because chemicals are just chemicals and nothing more" is why it doesn't help. It doesn't sound like you understand what you're talking about scientifically.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, cite some sources.

>>543398

It doesn't sound like you have any idea of what science is

OP, you're essentially asking the age-old question of why we're not just meat machines functioning automatically due to our atoms' chemical interactions. Why, indeed, are we aware that we exist?

Obviously, a robot has sensors, a CPU, and memory. But also obviously, we know that a robot purely follows its electrical programming. We know that a robot will never experience an internal state of awareness like we do. You can make a robot that pretends it has that internal state, but it is merely a programmed emulation and not the real thing.

Why are we not like robots? Why are we not just consciousless meat automatons that merely pretend to be self-aware?

And what really tickles the almond is that as you age, the cells in your body will be completely different from when you were born. Completely different atoms. And yet, we experience a single, continuous stream of being. You are still you. You didn't just suddenly collapse on the floor as the cells maintaining your consciousness were replaced, then woke up with a different consciousness (unless you have multiple personality disorder, but that's a different story).

I thank you lot for all the replies. . . but no one has really been saying why people go to christianity without being indoctrinated.

>>543413

What are you talking about? Did you hit your head?

>>543413

>indoctrinated

Definition: teach (a person or group) to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.

This entire board is testament to critical thinking regarding the answering of your Question OP. I don't know what else you're expecting or want out of us.

>>543417

I meant thread.

>>543417

To hear why some people become christians, different reasons, Im hoping theres some element or x factor that would make me think we're most likely going to have an afterlife.

>>543419

This thread is not about why people became christians. People, including me, have given you a million reasons. But you ignore them in your hysteria, asking for """sources""" that chemicals are chemicals

not to be redundant, but just skimming this thread it seems like the OP is fixating on the question of whether we continue to exist after we physically die

seems a lot of folks ITT have sought to address his problem, but i'm not sure we should allow him to obsess on the question of the soul, since it only encourages him in making it the locus on which to rest his hope (or hopelessness)

now there's a number of posters in here whom have taken the Evidentialist approach to answering his question, such as pointing to the fact that our Cosmos demands a Creator, since it is impossible for something to spring from nothing, and the fact that he is alive right now is of such a miraculous set of circumstances that it can only be due to having been made, but i don't think that's going to meet his 'need' since it can only point him toward Deism; a belief that a God exists, rather than The God

so how do we give him a true hope, providing him an object in which to put his trust and no longer fear the end of his life on this planet?

we've seen him stipulate that he would prefer an eternity in Hell rather than a cessation of existence, so we can tell from that; he really doesn't understand what true Hell is - and i think we might also infer that he has no idea whom God is, but then he says he has convinced atheists to become agnostic or even Christian in some cases

i have to question that, but then God has opened the mouths of donkeys to speak truth to man, so i suppose it is possible that God the Holy Spirit could employ OP's arguments as a means of convicting a soul; especially if some groundwork had already been done upon their lives by a preaching of the Gospel to them

but does OP know the Gospel - does his conscience trouble him, being an evidence that there is a Law which is outside of societal mores, an Objective 'Right and Wrong' that points to a Lawgiver who must judge those guilty of breaking it?

well one might think that such a fear of death as OP displays, bears some witness to him knowing that he is under God's condemnation for Sin

but i still don't think that will convince him

we can also see that he acknowledges the historicity of Jesus, recognising that the man's life is attested to by secular historians, but how much does he know of the Biblical writers who went to horrendous deaths for not recanting of their testimony that they had seen this same Christ Jesus risen from the dead

does he know of the numerous prophecies of the Anointed One in the Old Testament in such places as Psalm 22 or Isaiah 52-53 or Daniel 7, which detail both Whom the Messiah/Christ would be - the actual person of God becoming a man - and what fate He would receive at the hands of Men; and does OP know that Christ's life fulfilled every aspect of these prophecies written several hundred years before crucifixion was even invented?

we have yet to see much of OP's understanding on The Lord's teaching that He is the Resurrection and the Life, and i would be interested to know if he has studied any of these promises that Jesus gave to everyone who turned from their own self-determination and placed their trust in Him

so i suppose i would ask the OP to lift his eyes away from his self for a moment and seek for the veracity of Jesus' claims, so as to determine whether Christ is the Object of Faith that he truly 'needs', rather than placing his hope on having a soul

>>543416

>I believe that no human can die.

I think what you meant to say is that no human can cease to exist. Because "to die" regarding humans literally means what you said.

>For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Though rest is true, bodies are sort of anchors for us in this world, but I would disagree, that Humans are merely souls. In that point, resurrection of the dead would be pointless. We need body to use our full potential, without it, we are deficient.

>>543446

(2/2)

>Without a creator, life and the world have no purpose. There are also no natural, universal laws or moral rules.

>Existing in such a world doesn't have a true purpose. There is none. One could find and make up a purpose for himself, but if in the end, all humans would perish, and if after their earthly life there was nothing, just nonexistence and oblivion, then anything that anyone could do, no matter how great - such as achieving apex physical and mental strength, being a fully self sufficient overman, or providing all of that to every human in existence - would be completely worthless and matter about as much as a rat taking a shit in a sewer

>There are limits to mans' achievement. No matter how great one may become, they can't change the world or it's rules with just their will. They cannot create an afterlife or give life purpose.

>The only way to find truth, and the one objectively true and existent purpose of life is to believe in the one true God and do His will - to trust Him and believe that there is true purpose in the next life

>The purpose of this life is to get to the next one

<I struggle to attain it myself, but have made great progress

<I want to help others discover and gain it, not because I want to be rewarded, but because I love them

I want to achieve salvation, because I think nothing else truly matters. Of course I still pursue many vain things and wants, but there's nothing wrong with that as long as it isn't sinful.

If I just cared about salvation for myself, I would focus on stopping all sin (probably would become a monk for that) and hoping to die as soon as possible.

But I desire salvation for other people, because I genuinely love all of humanity don't misinterpret what I mean by love here

To be honest I have no idea what I can do, but I just believe that if I cease all sin, then the Lord will guide me and use me as a vessel for His will and Holy Spirit. I also am almost constantly improving, because I think that if I get great intellect, great strenght and material richness along with a pure soul then I can truly have an influence and use it for great good.

So that's The Purpose of Life by me

>tl;dr

Just read the last line of the first post and the first paragraph of this one. Anything before is just context and a description of how pathethic my life used to be.

>>543447

And another post because I wrote so much that I forgot to answer the question

>I learned about faith, life, philosophy, politics through various media. I started working out, learning music and hiking. There were still ups and downs, falls, hard times, but in the end I always made it back up.

>I started contemplating life and it's meaning and purpose more and more

It was only at this point that I decided to follow God out of my own will rather than out of habit. I became Christian, and not just a christian.

>>543419

as someone who converted from Atheism i can tell you there is no X factor i didn't wake up one day and say i am a Christian now it was a number of different things over the course of 2 years of study. the main thing you have to do is humble yourself, i thought i was so smart even when i believed in God it wasn't true belief at all no more than just intellectual masturbation tbh.

>>543621

Did you have any evidence? Did you witness anything?

Help me out here.

I took some Ayahuasca and it turned me away from nihilistic atheism and I turn to spirituality and eventually found Jesus. Also God is real as hell I met him and his face is literally indescribable blinding rainbow white light, also hell is real, I've been there too, made of teeth and bones and blood.

>>543641

1. No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

and

2. No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

stop doing drugs lad

>>543629

>Did you have any evidence?

Of What?

>Did you witness anything?

No i just used my reason which took me far enough to want to become Christian prayer took me the rest of the way. It seems very strange this desire for you to be "shown" something by God, it could just as well be a demon giving you some kind of vision so on the whole they shouldn't really be trusted on face value.

>>543431

>we've seen him stipulate that he would prefer an eternity in Hell rather than a cessation of existence, so we can tell from that; he really doesn't understand what true Hell is - and i think we might also infer that he has no idea whom God is, but then he says he has convinced atheists to become agnostic or even Christian in some cases

Jesus Christ is my lord and savior, and I would deeply prefer hell to non-existence.

I tend towards annihilationism because the reward for belief in Christ is eternal life, the wages of sin are death and I can't imagine the reward of eternal life (even in eternal punishment) being bestowed to non-Christians.

I love existence so much, and am so thankful to God for what I have undeservingly received, that continuous torture would be preferable to me than death.

True hell cannot be worse than death for me, if I exist in hell. Obviously, I would prefer to be with God in heaven, but my belief and repentance is born from thankfulness and hope, not fear of a fiery lake. I would take eternal life even if it meant hell so I understand exactly what OP is saying.

>>543728

Thanks.

Not many people do.

So many are just like "ah well if its nonexistence then why does it matter lol"

What woke this feeling I had dormant for a long time was the passing of my cat, for a while I thought maybe I can live forever, maybe I can make it to the singlarity, but my 20 year old cat dying made me realize my mortality again, which I hate.

>>543431

>then he says he has convinced atheists to become agnostic or even Christian in some cases

First off, I use science and an atheist's own skeptical logic to convert them to agnostic. For example, if a being were to exist before the universe/outside the universe, which is where spacetime is, then they would be a singlarity, a true omnipotent being. Not proving that its the christian god, but a god in every sense of the word. And to argue "what created god" well cause and effect applies within the universe, the universe itself, even which means something had to create it, and since timespace wasnt around before the universe, then whatever made it doesnt have to follow cause and effect.

I can go into more detail on that, but its basically the TLDR version of my reasoning behind how there could be a god.

>i don't think that's going to meet his 'need' since it can only point him toward Deism; a belief that a God exists, rather than The God

Exactly, I'm relatively sure there is a God, but I'm not sure that we have souls.

>well one might think that such a fear of death as OP displays, bears some witness to him knowing that he is under God's condemnation for Sin

Thats… the thing, aside from pride in what I have done, I am pretty sinless. I never swear, I don't drink, I don't fight(much of a pacifist), I never lie unless its something for their own benefit, like telling my parents that I'm still religious and happy. No premarital sex and don't plan on any, and so on. I'm sure I've done something wrong, and I guess I haven't really asked for forgiveness that much lately, I'll do it tonight or maybe later, but yeah… I dont feel guilty, I feel like my effort in trying to be a good person will go to waste. The way this world is right now only furthers my fear in that.

>so i suppose i would ask the OP to lift his eyes away from his self for a moment and seek for the veracity of Jesus' claims, so as to determine whether Christ is the Object of Faith that he truly 'needs', rather than placing his hope on having a soul

I am somebody who is easily made content. I was forced to stay in a house for several years due to doctors saying I cant leave it(which I've debunked). Prove that I have a soul and I could live my life in peace, prove that Jesus Christ is the son of god and everything is right about christianity, and I would return to the care-free happy person I was before I turned 28.

It's not that I'm focusing that I have a soul out of selfishness, I just… I just have my standards for happiness incredibly low. Its not that I'm selfish, matter of fact, I dont want to ask for much.

>>543728

One more thing, for a short while I thought I was in hell. Nothing was going right and it made living in Silent Hill seem appealing. . . because at least I could socialize with some sentient beings there. I was to the point where I was considering committing a crime to land me in jail just so I could talk to people.

>>543795

>Prove that I have a soul and I could live my life in peace, prove that Jesus Christ is the son of god and everything is right about christianity, and I would return to the care-free happy person I was before I turned 28.

Since you keep repeating the same stupidities I will explain to you what "proving" means.

To prove is nothing more than take a set of statements that are accepted to be true, and through reason, infer something from them. But then the problem arises of why the first statements are considered to be true. They can be the inference of other statementes, but then the question arises again, so that in the end everything is based on evident things that do not depend on anything else because they are basic, and not subject to inferior things. Everything, EVERYTHING you hold as true is ultimately based on things you can't prove. Because proving means just what I have said.

I have carefully explained to you how either there is no death as stopping existence or there was no life to begin with. actually, mnay of us have. Your answer was sad, and proves you are emotionally unstable and play by fedora rules.

"Give me evideeeence" "Give me proooof" "Give me sourceeees". We have already given well reasoned evidence. We have already given well reasoned proof. We don't need sources to say that if a implies b and b implies c, then a implies c. Do you know what a "source" is? A source is a random man writting something in a random place. But for some reason you accept what random people say, blinbly, while turning a blind eye to whatever we say no matter how solid and well constructed it is. You don't ever bother to refute it. You say "you don't sound scientific and fedoristic enough".

Let me tell you something, little retard: I work as a researcher. I know much, much better than you what science, research, publications and "sources" are. So next time someone perfectly addresses what you say, try reading and understanding instead of taking the text through some automatic "enlightened words detector".

Here you have something that may also interest you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrGVeB_SPJg&t=2s

>>543728

Unfortunately for the Damned, this is wrong.

Eternal life is not immortality itself, but how will you use immortality. Eternal life is enjoying your immortality and being with God, while death is suffering from them.

It's going down to pride and arrogance, the "father of sins" that spreads like cancer in one. It is the fuel of flames of hatred that engulfs the damned. Why you ask? Because arrogant is a pervert that puts too much confidence in himself and strives to achieve more by his own means. But there is one problem, we are created beings. Even with all the wealth of the universe, even with immense power, even if we would be granted power to create new universe and life itself, at the end, we are but creation that were dragged out of nothingness by the will of our Father and sole reason of our existence is "For God created man to be immortal, and made him to be an image of his own eternity". All the power that we would have will be bestowed by God, it would be gift, not ours from beginning. Arrogant would desire this to be otherwise, to become like God not in proper way, as it is in "Theosis", but to become God in essence, which is impossible for him. So by realizing this, arrogant would be in rage and hatred to the point, that he would desire to not exist, then exist as one depending on higher being, and being inferior. He would strive to nonexistence, but this would be impossible because of his immortality. So he would remain enraged and with passion to kill himself and cease to be, while this would be impossibility. They would be "Who long for death, but there is none, And dig for it more than for hidden treasures".

This conclusion comes not only because I've read theologians, church fathers and Orthodox writers, like Dostoevsky, but because at some extent, I felt like that, when I realized what I said, that even though we, Mankind are crown of creation, who were given dominion and in the future will have authority even on Angels, as Paul says, we are yet created beings, everything that we have, every power that we possess is merely a gift from God an this enraged me and I not only did felt anger but at some point, I thought that I felt how my brain and eyes were inflamed and while I am ashamed to tell this, I even had suicidal thoughts, God forbid it.

This is our punishment. Not that we will not exist, but that we will be immortal with suicidal desire to not exist. Only solution to this is to curb our arrogance and embrace humility.

>>543799

>that video

zombie island was such an amazing movie, I remember staying up/home on halloween to see it.

Though in fred's defense, he just wanted in that chick's pants.

>>543312

>>543318

No offense but saying “saints appearing” isn’t a very good source or argument for life after death. No atheist/skeptic will be convinced by that.

Let me just tell you how things look from my side of things. I used to be an atheist for a fairly long time and death didn't make me afraid. In fact, I was indifferent to it. Who cares, you'll just stop existing so you don't have to do shit anymore.

Now I'm a Christian. And death is constantly on my mind. I need to be at my best behavior at every moment or I might end up in Hell. Death haunts me whenever I fall short. I didn't sign up for this. Religion makes life after death a heavy burden which is totally not worth carrying unless you're convinced it's true. Not existing after death is just a much more comfortable proposition.

>>543879

>Now I'm a Christian. And death is constantly on my mind. I need to be at my best behavior at every moment or I might end up in Hell. Death haunts me whenever I fall short. I didn't sign up for this. Religion makes life after death a heavy burden which is totally not worth carrying unless you're convinced it's true. Not existing after death is just a much more comfortable proposition.

To be honest, thats what you would expect, when you forget about Theosis and have division between faith and merits. And have materialistic image of hell in front of it.

>>543879

I envy you.

>>543883

You're jumping to conclusions, especially because there's nothing in my post that indicates hell as a physical place with normal time. You might even be a protestant baiting, but probably just a very smug and egocentric dude.

>>543320

>it will be like before you were born

I don't know why I have such a problem with this line of reasoning. Did you remember everything about being two years old? Do you remember what you ate for lunch last Thursday? If the answer is no, then surely by that reasoning being dead is just like eating lunch last Thursday.

Also I was a reincarnation man before I found Jesus and I gotta say to this day, even with my belief in Jesus, I find the Dr Stevenson cases on children remembering facts about a life somebody who died before them lived pretty compelling for afterlife evidence if NDEs don't float your boat (they certainly don't float mine)

>>544098

You're right, I do consider you a heretic. Please leave, /pol/friend.

>>544116

Why? I am interested in the discussion that takes place on this board.

>>544128

>Why? I am interested in the discussion that takes place on this board

>Not calling him triggered

Wow, what a cuck

>>544098

Please, don't ever talk about Christ again. Don't stain his name with your retarded fanfic. Call your imaginary figure "super man" or "master hippie". But don't hijack the name of Jesus to push for your retarded made up ideology.

>>544098

OP here, yeah, I'm glad I just skimmed through this post.

Also "i will pray for you" when you don't believe in any mysticalness?

The heck?

>>544098

Please consider deleting this

>>543398

You're asking for philosophy but aren't satisfied with a philosophical answer.

>>544585

Again, stop using the name of Christ, you disgusting retard. As I say, talk about your fictional figure: the master hippie of global energies and tolerance, or whateve new age garbage you fabricated in your pathetic, empty life.

>>544840

First and foremost: this post, although a bit rude at points, has been the most helpful and calming to me. Although I might be snarky at one point, I want to say thanks.

>You don't have to regret how you spent your life, no more anxiety, no more sadness, no more worrying about whether your children are doing okay, no more worrying about how the world is going to hell in a handbasket … just the blissful nothingness of the void of non-existence. Better yet, no judgement, no risk of eternal fire, no wailing or gnashing of teeth … for someone that refuses to bow a knee to the Almighty, I can seriously see the appeal of atheism.

Let's be completely real here:

nihilism is very damaging to society. Sure some people might not take it to such extremes like "lol nothing matters in the end so I'm going to murder" but many, many people take it to "lol live your life to the fullest by cheating on your "loved" ones and being an asshole!"

It scares me two ways, the void, and how mankind would regress into savages.

> You're not bowing the knee to God. The highest expression of existence is knowing God, not myself, not my memories.

I do want to bow my knee to God, it's just, I'm worried that hes not even there.

>Does not the Bible even say (though it is a little fuzzy) that we will remember nothing of this life, that all such things – and I think you'll find memories and identity are included in this – are wiped away? Yes, I believe we will retain some of our identity, but because it is so entangled with sin, great swathes of our old selves will be torn from us. You will not be entirely the same you are now, you will be the perfected you.

Surely you remember some of your life, as if you didn't, you won't know your family and friends in heaven.

>Alright, sorry, I assumed you WERE a Christian.

I'm in a bad spot right now, I don't know if it's chemical imbalance, lack of dopamine, too much dopamine, or if the devil is screwing with me. I want to say I am a christian, I asked god for forgiveness just last night, I try to follow every rule in the bible, but… the doubt is there. I dont know if this makes me christian or not.

>I would have thought this was the last place people would want to come.

Most atheists I know have admitted that they do it to feel better about themselves, like a Chad on /v/ in 2005.

>Goodly fugoli, you have a conceited view of Christians. If what we believe is wrong, then, Paul says, we are to be amongst all men most to be pitied. For the Christian life is NOT one of "live my life comfortably", but of struggle and difficulty, yes, moreso than the average man, because we are being grown in faith, and such growth only grows under the fertiliser of suffering.

I have been christian for most of my life, and it was enjoyable. When I became filled with doubt, it became terribad. All the christians I know seem happy and care free, I live in south carolina by the way.

>The Lord called me

How?

>I got to know who Christ was and put faith in Him.

How?

>but of the hundreds of people who witnessed the risen Christ, none confessed to Roman or Jewish authorities, "I saw no such thing, it was all a lie!"

I do not know how brain washing works, but couldn't that be the case? Someone dressed as him?

>I know what your problem is: you want a gold-plated, iron-clad guarantee by an appearance from God before you, signed in triplicate that He is real

No, I would be content with something that cannot be explained that hints to an afterlife, a mystery that not even the most edgiest of atheists can rationalize.

I'm not asking god to just show up in my room and be like "Sup, stop feeling so down, also Maxine(grandma) says hi" but rather, I need something to give me hope.

part 2 in a sec

>>544868

part 2:

I need something that I can put hope into, something to help me live my life with peace of mind, even if its just in ignorance.

>>544869

>>544868

People have already given you a million answers. Stop asking already answered questions when you will ignore every single answer,

>>544886

I'm sorry, the reason I don't reply to some answers is because I don't want to come off as rude by saying I am not content with just taking your word for it.

Though the kids remember past lives bit is. . . well, after combing through google(which is atheist heavy) and wikipedia(feels atheist heavy at times but I don't know if thats just me having wishful thinking in response to it's abundant amount of listed counter arguments to spiritual articles) I have not found anybody having an explanation on this. I however can't help but think, maybe it's just weird dreams? I have not looked too much into it.

>>544901

Nothing will be anough for you. No perfect reasoning, no examples, nothing. You are insane.

>>544902

That . . . isn't helpful. I've done some research and I feel like I might have irregular dopamine and might be schizophrenic, but then again, that's me trying to self diagnose myself which I feel is bad.

>>544937

I've had so many coincidences, like hearing conversations by people on religious stuff in the outside world, to even asking god for a sign a week ago and two days after that saw some guy with . . .

. . .oh he had a literal sign that said "JESUS SAVES" in the shape of a cross.

. . .thats freaky, as I never seen something like that before.