/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

Stop being gay and your desire for faganism will go away.

I went the opposite way. From Adventist heresy, to Atheism, to Paganism and then finally converted to Christianity.

Paganism is a lie, anon, a dangerous lie.

Do not fall for it. Remain a Christian.

>>541096

>I have began to think that there may be some truth to the notion that paganism is the only true religion of Europe

First of all it isn't true, it is false. Secondly, there is no 'pagan religion' the beliefs of pagans varied greatly between every place.

>>541099

That's not an argument. Also I loathe gays, unlike LGBT pastors and the Roman Catholic Pope.

>>541101

How is it a lie? I am genuinely curious I don't want to become a pagan

>>541102

Its not bait, I NEED help.

>>541103

Semantics. The only true belief system of Europe, many pagans share the same Gods with different names. Paganism seems to me to be more of a respect for nature and natural forces than veneration of God's in the Christian sense.

Either way, this doesn't help me become Christian.

>>541106

>Its not bait, I NEED help.

What you need is to stop being a faggot that falls for LARPagan memes

>>541106

>Its not bait, I NEED help.

What you need, is to realize that only being that is higher than humans and therefore worth of worship is God, whose children we are.

And also this btw >>541109

>>541106

My point was that it is a false "religion".

>>541096

>Christianity is a foriegn religion

As opposed to discount hindu deities, and daddy Rome jamming Jupiter in your pantheon?

>The Crusades were a failure and are not a testament to Christian strength, as any Pagan kingdom would have repelled the Muslims just the same and Christians rulers were mostly concerned in gaining from the Crusades than holy piety

The crusades were a fiasco, yes, but all the non-euro pagan kingdoms got fucked when they encountered muslim offensives.

>Christianity has murdered numerous pagans are destroyed their history, or at least tried to

Nope.

Most of their stuff remained(in fact, monks are the reason we know all this shit), and a couple of incidents like Charlemagne killing saxons, or Olaf being an autist are the only stuff that pagans can pull out.

>Christianity is religion that promotes weakness, who only won against pagans because they had the numbers

Nah.

>I am not an atheist or pagan, nor am I a national socialist

Oh yes, you just talk about europeans, weakness, and stuff being foreign.

Totally coincidental.

Religious D&C shills are running rampant all over /pol/ right now. I've already seen three threads get nuked, and the other day I noticed /cucktianity/ showing up in the traffic list again. I strongly suspect we're getting a shill wave hitting the religious D&C theme again; they've been quiet about it over the past two months. Maybe they figured we needed time to forget that that's their favored tactic.

>>541121

Our God is all good… he was so kind he sent his only begotten son to suffer here and to die so that we may be saved.

>>541119

>As opposed to discount hindu deities, and daddy Rome jamming Jupiter in your pantheon?

European paganism comes from Europe. Christianity doesn't.

>non-euro pagan kingdoms got fucked

Euro pagans could've held out if Christians did

>Nah

I need more than this

>Oh yes, you just talk about europeans, weakness, and stuff being foreign.

I'm not natsoc, I'm a traditional person but I have no faith in politics or saving modern society. I am nationalist though

>>541106

> many pagans share the same Gods with different names

Attributes like storm god, tree god, etc are where there are similarities. Other parts of the various gods stories are very different

>>541096

>>Christianity is a foriegn religion

How do you define foreign? Christianity has been the religion of Europe for in some places for 1000 years, in others 1500, others 1700, others nearly 2000 years. It's properly European heritage, and paganism is rightly more foreign, having been so long removed from Europe.

>>The Crusades were a failure and are not a testament to Christian strength, as any Pagan kingdom would have repelled the Muslims just the same and Christians rulers were mostly concerned in gaining from the Crusades than holy piety

The first is pointless conjecture, the second is a half truth. For example, Richard the first of England sold nearly everything he had to go on the third crusade.

>>Christianity has done more harm for Europeans than good

< Since the name of the Christian religion began to be used on the earth, what phenomenon, unseen before, unheard of before, what event contrary to the laws established in the beginning, has the so-called 「Nature of Things」 felt or suffered? Have these first elements, from which it is agreed that all things were compacted, been altered into elements of an opposite character? Has the fabric of this machine and mass of the universe, by which we are all covered, and in which we are held enclosed, relaxed in any part, or broken up? Has the revolution of the globe, to which we are accustomed, departing from the rate of its primal motion, begun either to move too slowly, or to be hurried onward in headlong rotation? Have the stars begun to rise in the west, and the setting of the constellations to take place in the east?

<When was the human race destroyed by a flood? Was it not before us? When was the world set on fire, and reduced to coals and ashes? Was it not before us? When were the greatest cities engulphed in the billows of the sea? Was it not before us? When were wars waged with wild beasts, and battles fought with lions? was it not before us? When was ruin brought on whole communities by poisonous serpents? was it not before us? For, inasmuch as you are wont to lay to our blame the cause of frequent wars, the devastation of cities, the irruptions of the Germans and the Scythians, allow me, with your leave, to say—In your eagerness to calumniate us, you do not perceive the real nature of that which is alleged.

Arnobius, Against the Heathen, book one

>>Christianity is religion that promotes weakness, who only won against pagans because they had the numbers and were hypocrites

Not really. The roman empire had numerous legions and all the authority in the world to stamp out Christianity with and it completely failed. The major force in Christianity spreading was not killing but was the willingness of martyrs to be killed that provided a constant testament to the truth of God. Most conversion were peaceful because pagans could realize how wrong their religions were.

>>Christianity and the Catholic Church in particular are responsible for a great deal of hypocrisy and moral depravity

The church has had bad moments, however this cannot be attributed as a fault of Christianity, since any religion is capable of moral failures. Many pagans practiced human sacrifice for example. A great example is provided by St. Augustine in City of God

< Are not those very Romans, who were spared by the barbarians through their respect for Christ, become enemies to the name of Christ? The reliquaries of the martyrs and the churches of the apostles bear witness to this; for in the sack of the city they were open sanctuary for all who fled to them, whether Christian or Pagan…Thither did such of the enemy as had any pity convey those to whom they had given quarter, lest any less mercifully disposed might fall upon them. And, indeed, when even those murderers who everywhere else showed themselves pitiless came to those spots where that was forbidden which the license of war permitted in every other place, their furious rage for slaughter was bridled, and their eagerness to take prisoners was quenched…. And they ought to attribute it to the spirit of these Christian times, that, contrary to the custom of war, these bloodthirsty barbarians spared them, and spared them for Christ's sake, whether this mercy was actually shown in promiscuous places, or in those places specially dedicated to Christ's name, and of which the very largest were selected as sanctuaries, that full scope might thus be given to the expansive compassion which desired that a large multitude might find shelter there.

>>And the most of all; There is no real proof of the existence of God other than some self-proclaimed prophecies from a foriegn land of a foriegn people, rooted in tales of virgin births and resurrection.

There is no proof for pagan gods, the only difference is you attribute them as "European" and therefor ignore the ridiculous claims made by pagan religions.

Why would you want to worship nature? What purpose does it serve?

>>541131

>since any religion is capable of moral failures

Religious institution*. Christianity itself contains no moral failures, however we as people can fail to meet the standard. Again though, paganism is not excluded from this and many pagan religions rejoice in their depravity as something good. The example by St. Augustine shows that Christianity is not always seen with moral depravity but unique in how it can bring morality where none existed before.

>>541132

>Why would you want to worship nature? What purpose does it serve?

Can't tell if being sarcastic, or genuinely retarded.

>>541139

Serious

>>541132

Man hails from nature and is an inseparable part of it, divorcing ourselves from nature would mean the end of our very humanity. Taking a walk in the forest on a nice afternoon or even after dark makes me feel a connection to a higher power (the Mightier one) more than anything going to church did for me. (I was protestant).

>>541144

Enjoying nature is not the same as worshipping it.

>>541144

The animals and the trees don't hear your prayers and you know it.

>>541144

>divorcing ourselves from nature would mean the end of our very humanity

Its vice versa

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

>>541145

Fair point, but how is worship in the Christian sense any different or "special"? Having to sit through service in Church only makes me feel bored. I remember going to Sunday school and feeling no different than when I had to go regular school. They have things to teach and they expect you to learn, whereas in nature I always feel attuned to my innate(God given?) spirituality, it's the very opposite of the foreign doctrine that is Christianity.

>>541146

I never said I prayed to animals or trees.

>>541149

nice quote, but I have different worldview. One of the things I dislike about Christianity is that is not worldly.

here's a quote on the topic from Nietsche:

>"Christianity was from the beginning, essentially and fundamentally, life's nausea and disgust with life, merely concealed behind, masked by, dressed up as, faith in "another" or "better" life.

from The Birth of Tragedy

>>541157

>I like Varg

He's a killer, anon. He killed someone in cold blood, and is proud of this. How could you respect someone like that?

>>541160

It was in self defense. I'm sure many Christians have killed muslims, heathens, and even other Christians in "cold "blood." Ever heard of the Fourth Crusade?

>>541162

Haha! You're asking an Orthodox Christian whether I've heard of the 4th crusade. Funny.

In defense of the faith from those who wished to conquer us, we have gone to war, yes. But never have we defended murder or endorsed it. They are not equatable.

>>541168

/pol/tards are dismissive of it because it's from a book written by a guy with a german surname. And as we know only jews have german surnames.

>>541171

>>541165

>first "idpol" as a pejorative

>now "/pol/tards"

I smell Kulak blood.

>>541165

>Why not just admit you're an idpol sheep who loves haplotypes and edgy counter-culture more than you do love Christ.

I like people who are intelligent and look like me. I like my culture and heritage because they are what I grew up in. I also like the truth. If Christ is the truth, then I will accept Him first and foremost, but no one has proved that Christianity is the truth.

>>541166

Insulting me and other people doesn't convince me of your position.

>>541167

Murdering fellow Christians was to prevent other religions from taking over?

>>541168

I don't worship Odin and that's just one tale, there are thousands of tales of the Pagan gods.

>>541157

>It didn't originate in Europe, therefore it is foriegn.

Potatoes didn't originate from Ireland. Should the Irish throw all potatoes away because it's foreign and you can't have anything foreign?

OP, before I go on, my response can be summed up neatly with Scripture.

>Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

However, let me go through in more detail what you said in the OP in my next post. You've asked many questions, and much of what you asked is complicated and will take some time to answer. We, as Christians, are in the light of God's Truth. We have nothing to fear from debate because we are in the right. Nevertheless, I ask you first to listen and absorb what I and the other helpful responses have to say you rather than immediately rush to debate it. 'You must knock on the door for it to be opened.'

>>541178

bit of a difference between a crop and a way of life, anon.

At least you're not one of those guys why has fallen for the yhwh = saturn meme, or maybe you are?

>Christianity is a foriegn religion

Why do so many /pol/lacks put genetics/politics over spirituality? I don't know very much about paganism, other than the times it's influenced Christianity, does anyone have any pdfs i could read about an overview on it.

>>541181

Answer the question. Why is foreign bad?

>>541177

>Christianity is a bad and forced meme, that's why it had to be crammed down Europe's throat by the sword, Paganism is in our blood whether you like it or no.

If Christianity is inferior, then why were Pagans wiped off the map by the Holy Roman Empire? Battle of Milvan, buddy. And you DO realize that your mixed-and-matched "totally not gods but forces of nature" are from different religions that contradict each other, right?

>>541187

I meant on your boots.

>>541160

Don't forget burning down a church and living off of welfare

>>541198

Ideology is a machine. It's only as good or bad as its design. You may as well disavow science because engines sometimes explode.

What would you even call yourself, then?

>>541197

>Paganism is all around you.

Whats all around us is the trophies of Christianity's total conquest. If you're going to jerk yourself over them then you already lost.

>>541197

Why do you even have a 7-day week? And no one gives a shit about the origin of "pagan" holidays. We successfully appropriated your culture you Assatard LARPer, cry harder. And let me guess, you actually believe Vikings didn't sacrifice animals or slaves to any Norse gods.

>>541200

bullshit

in science you put your faith in the God given laws of the universe. Science continues to make sense and bring forth fruit as long as the rules apply.

In religion you put your faith in God directly.

Ideology teaches to give your faith in man, and man will fail everytime because man is fallen.

Can't have a well functioning machine if everyone has a different idea of operating it. Even worse when literally everyone wants to be the operator in charge. (revolutionaries, leaders, ideologues)

>What would you even call yourself, then?

I call myself [My name] and Christian, anything else is bullshit. I'm not my ideology.

>>541182

>Are you sure you're were even a christian in the first place?

I believed in Jesus Christ, read the bible, and went to Church. Nothing beyond that and nothing less.

>lol no, christianity has always been a minority

Not factually accurate in the slightest. Also, when I speak of pagans I am primarily referring to Celtic, Germanic and Nordic pagans.

>christianity is what probably cemented Europe's morals

There was plenty of strong, traditional morality before Christianity.

Also the will of the church is not synonymous to the will of it's members

Any group of people is made of up of it's members, as I understand it. It's members reflect the group

>what did europe achieve before christianity?

Stability, peace, tradition, happiness, strength, loyalty, 'family values', etc. Also Greece and Rome

>Nothing can come out ex nihilo

You argument proves the existence of a Deity or Deities, not of the Christian God. I believe in a divine Creator, but why should I believe in this particular one from the desert over my own people's Gods?

>The only reason you have doubts in the first place is because you're ignorant of the faith and never any real attention to it.

I never liked psychology, stop trying to analyze me

>Go read the bible

I have

>research church history

I do

>>541183

>Why do so many /pol/lacks put genetics/politics over spirituality

Because genetics are tangible facts and a foriegn religion is not. Also they are not ignoring spirituality, just your religion.

>>541186

Foreign is bad because cultural mixing in general is bad. If you want proof of that, look out your window and take a gander at the secular, multicultural, depraved and sickened world you live in.

>>541189

>If Christianity is inferior, then why were Pagans wiped off the map by the Holy Roman Empire

If Christianity is superior, why are their morals so fallible and weak, even compared to some other religons?

>>541203

>LOL YOU GUYZ ARE LARPERS

If tradition is LARP, then I will forever be a LARPER. Enjoy you modern life, I'll enjoy mine.

>>541209

I'm not nordic,that's not an argument proving the existence of Christianity.

Also, a handful of battles in the grand scheme of thing, if you knew anything about the history of the Vikings you would know they were highly formidable and respected warriors.

>>541198

You seem to neglect that Christianity is also a ideology and a universalist one at that.

>>541205

Christianity is declining in the west and will continue to decline, because the Bible is a load of bronze age Jewish gibberish.

Christianity as antiquity.– When we hear the ancient bells growling on a Sunday morning we ask ourselves: Is it really possible! This, for a jew, crucified two thousand years ago, who said he was God's son? The proof of such a claim is lacking. Certainly the Christian religion is an antiquity projected into our times from remote prehistory; and the fact that the claim is believed - whereas one is otherwise so strict in examining pretensions - is perhaps the most ancient piece of this heritage. A god who begets children with a mortal woman; a sage who bids men work no more, have no more courts, but look for the signs of the impending end of the world; a justice that accepts the innocent as a vicarious sacrifice; someone who orders his disciples to drink his blood; prayers for miraculous interventions; sins perpetrated against a god, atoned for by a god; fear of a beyond to which death is the portal; the form of the cross as a symbol in a time that no longer knows the function and ignominy of the cross – how ghoulishly all this touches us, as if from the tomb of a primeval past! Can one believe that such things are still believed?

from Nietzsche's Human, all too Human

>>541207

If everybody knows about it, then it's not a very good theft, it it?

>>541106

>I loathe gays

>wants to be pagan

lol

http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=ukgb2&c=gay&id=3678

>>541226

The gays are a part of a culture of death, but so are the Christians.

Vid related

>>541226

Doesn't prove the existence of the Christian God. Paganism is NOT a religion like Christianity, it has no formal scripture and and isn't a universal Church. It is merely an outlook and way of life.

Good try though, I guess

I am also wondering if any anons can explain the convenience of the fact that the only way to be saved is to believe completely in this foriegn God. Not being a good person and leading a good life, just believing in this one guy.

That isn't slightly suspect to anyone else?

>>541225

>You seem to neglect that Christianity is also a ideology

categorically false

religion cannot be an ideology and vice versa, but fanaticism can be present in both.

Ideology can be derived from religion (Christian democracy, folk nationalism) and religion can be pushed/altered for ideological gains (Actual 1940's Nazis with their larpaganism)

>>541096

>Christianity is a foreign religion

You're probably american, so paganism is just as foreign to you.

>The Crusades were a failure and are not a testament to Christian strength, as any Pagan kingdom would have repelled the Muslims just the same

Except they didn't. they sold their women to Muslims and even let them build mosques in their territories.

>Christianity has done more harm for Europeans than good

Like?

>Christianity has murdered numerous pagans are destroyed their history, or at least tried to

Didn't you just whine about the supposed lack of Christian strength?

>Christianity is religion that promotes weakness, who only won against pagans because they had the numbers and were hypocrites

Same as the above. And how does hypocrisy win wars, exactly?

>Christianity and the Catholic Church in particular are responsible for a great deal of hypocrisy and moral depravity

Your god literally sodomized dead bodies for their semen. Don't talk about "moral depravity"

>And the most of all; There is no real proof of the existence of God other than some self-proclaimed prophecies from a foreign land of a foreign people, rooted in tales of virgin births and resurrection.

And there's proof of your gay "religion"? You don't seem to understand what the word faith means.

>I am not an atheist or pagan, nor am I a national socialist. I am just a confused

Sure

>>541231

i don't have to prove anything to you as clearly everything in this thread wasn't enough, Lord have mercy. you can do whatever you want to in life, but you live have to live with the consequences for eternity. you don't have faith? fine, your loss. enjoy the worship of yourself.

OP probably lives in America, surrounded by a version of Christianity as twisted and corrupted as their entire country.

>>541234

>You're probably american, so paganism is just as foreign to you

>Nationality and ethnicity/culture are the same

what a shallow outlook

>Except they didn't. they sold their women to Muslims and even let them build mosques in their territories.

Citation needed

>Like?

Crusades against pagans, warms between protestants and Catholics, dividing of people based on sect of Christianity, etc.

>Didn't you just whine about the supposed lack of Christian strength?

Strength doesn't equate to butchering people and destroying their history. It means standing up for your morals. Don't seem many Christians managing that these days

>Same as the above. And how does hypocrisy win wars, exactly?

Those were two separate statements. There are many instances of Christians being absolute hypocrites, buying into indulgences being one of the most notable.

>>541242

I have plenty of faith, my faith in this specific religion, however, is faltering. Why should U have to endure eternal consequences just for wanting evidence for believing in a God. Why should I be cast into Hell for not believing in this one guy, plenty of far worse people than me get to go to heaven but I dont? That seems fair to you?

>enjoy the worship of yourself

I don't worship myself, I'm not a satanist.

>>541254

you still believe that humans are inherently good. that's where the problem lies.

>>541099

>>541109

This Baptistbro is right. It might `appear' to be uncharitable, but it is necessary and truly what needs to be said.

That said, all /pol/acks that have bought into this paganism meme are not only falling for kike lies, but are playing right into the hands of the synagogue of Satan, directly. The only thing that will defeat kikes is Christianity.

Jesus Christ is the only one who can save us.

>I was raised Catholic, and I understand that historically much of Europe was raised Catholic for many years, but I feel no connection the church and I doubt many of the people in the middle ages who were forced to go the church really did either, honestly.

Unfortunately, this does not surprise me. Especially in recent years, many Catholic and Orthodox children have not been properly given catechesis as children and fall out of the faith as adults. The age we live in is one of intense hedonism, and the Faith's steadfast insistence on righteousness has gained it much ire in a culture where it once received reverence. Given the climate today you're far from being alone.

The history of the Catholic Church is far from simple. Just like we Orthodox in the East suffered many challenges, the West also suffered incredible hurdles that they had to overcome. The fall of the Roman Empire and the attacks of Muslims separated the Roman Popes from the rest of the historical Church. All on their own, they had to bear the troubles and woes of nearly an entire continent. Some decisions they made were better, some worse, but I believe God was surely with them along the way. As for what you said about peoples in the Middle Ages, I wouldn't agree. The climate and culture of that time is very far removed from our own, and difficult for us to understand. Life was hard, and the Church was not only a branch of support for many people but the background that informed their lives. Some things never change – hedonists were also around in that time, and scam artists took advantage of how thin Rome had to spread their resources. I'd encourage reading Chaucer's Canterbury Tales to get a small slice what life was like in this time. The characters laugh and poke fun at the lecherous Friar traveling with them even as they go on a journey to visit the relics of a local saint. The faith of the common people was deep, and they were not fools like many people today believe them to be.

>The interdenominational fighting here and in other places has really turned me off of Christianity and the extremely fickle nature of interpreting God and being labeled a heretic and the lack of consensus.

This is what I always fear as we bicker here. Though I and others have affirmed this before, I think it's important that we never stop saying it. We argue and argue about what in truth are (mostly) trifles. What unites all of us on this board is our faith in God as elaborated in the Nicene Creed. Father, Son, and Spirit; Trinity in Unity and Unity in Trinity. We all affirm that God became man so that we could all be granted salvation from our sins. It's truly a miracle that a board like ours has formed in as foul a place that 8chan can be. But as God said, "for where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them."

Nevertheless, we are in a constant struggle to overcome the binds of our shared background. Most people on imageboards have become so jaded through years of hazing that they've become vitriolic as a reflex. Discussion can get heated. But still, we love each other as brothers in Christ. Though it can sometimes be hard to see, there is a sense of love here that isn't like anything else.

Go be a pagan. Judging by your post, you don't value truth, rather you value what's convenient to you. Not only in putting race above truth, but in the false premises you bring up.

>>541096

>The interdenominational fighting here and in other places has really turned me off of Christianity and the extremely fickle nature of interpreting God and being labeled a heretic and the lack of consensus.

Did you know that Satanists are more united and active in the spiritual realm than many Christians? What's your excuse? This is why you need to be reading your Bible and believe and do what the Word of God says. Remember Isaiah 55:11, God's Word never comes back void.

>>541234

>Christianity has done more harm for Europeans than good. Like?

the whole of the dark ages?

>>541233

Whether you call it an ideology or not is just semantics at this point, it's a whole worldview, not just a religion, meaning it can and is applied to the world of politics.

>>541232

>Two things that directly contradict each other are the same thing.

Not really but they can lead to the same thing.

Homosexuality is hypersexual, putting sexual gratification as the highest good, leading to death by poz.

Christianity (as Varg points out in the video, that you should watch) is asexual, extolling the virtue of virginity, fasting, denial of the corporeal which leads to death by non-procreation, starvation or by going on a crusade to the middle east.

Both are deathcults

>>541254

>I have plenty of faith, my faith in this specific religion, however, is faltering. Why should U have to endure eternal consequences just for wanting evidence for believing in a God. Why should I be cast into Hell for not believing in this one guy, plenty of far worse people than me get to go to heaven but I dont? That seems fair to you?

If God is the source of all that is good and joy then logically when you divorce yourself from God then what you're left with is death and despair

>that seems fair to you

Hell and Heaven is a state of being and not just a magical place.

You either have communion with God and accept and follow Him or you reject Him and everything He stands for.

In light of that it seems absolutely fair.

God is Justice incarnate which is why he gives us the free will to choose.

Either way you reap what you sow

>Strength doesn't equate to butchering people and destroying their history. It means standing up for your morals. Don't seem many Christians managing that these days

really? I thought pagans believed in the rule of might makes right.

Also how do you know those Christians are even genuine in this degenerate culture and not just cultural Christians like you seem to be

>>541257

>you still believe that humans are inherently good

I don't. That is why it is even more tragic when a man overcomes his nature, becomes a great person and does many good things, only to perish and be sent to hell merely because he did not believe in Jesus Christ.

>>541258

I already told you all my stance on gays, now please show some evidence.

>>541260

>>541261

Thank you, anon. These are good posts, and these were the kinds of people who first attracted me to rejoin Catholicism after a period of separation from the faith and the only people who keep me in the faith.

Even still, I need tangible proof. And I wouldn't necessarily agree that only the strongest survive, but I do believe that a system where that was true would probably be best, but would include a note that strength of character and intelligence can be greater than physical strength.

>>541263

And the good feelings and good posts are already gone

>>541269

>If God is the source of all that is good and joy then logically when you divorce yourself from God then what you're left with is death and despair

Prove this. I will believe this as soon as you do

>You either have communion with God and accept and follow Him or you reject Him and everything He stands for.

Objectively false. Can a man not be good and be ignorant of or simply not believe in Christ?

>I thought pagans believed in the rule of might makes right.

Some do, not all. I don't

>Also how do you know those Christians are even genuine in this degenerate culture and not just cultural Christians like you seem to be

They reflect the Church they are apart of.

I am not a cultural Christian. I am probably whatever the opposite of a cultural christian is. The culture surrounding Christianity was part of what kept me separated from the Church for a time.

>>541225

>Christianity is declining in the west and will continue to decline

Says the man who thinks having a day named after a long forgotten god is something to brag about.

>>541254

>Nationality and ethnicity/culture are the same

>what a shallow outlook

Are you 100% one specific ethnic group? If you are actually american, you probably aren't. Which means you have no "one" ethnic religion.

>Crusades against pagans

Killing satanic raiders isn't bad. Besides, you make it sound like Christians were holocausting pagans or something. It was a war, both sides fought. Christians were just better :^)

>warms between protestants and Catholics

Europeans have been waging war against each other long before Christianity. Sounds more like a European problem than a Christian problem, if anything.

>dividing of people based on sect of Christianity, etc.

Again, there was division long before Christianity/Protestantism.

>Strength doesn't equate to butchering people and destroying their history. It means standing up for your morals. Don't seem many Christians managing that these days

And Christians fighting against satanistic heathens isn't them standing up for their morals?

>>541268

>the whole of the dark ages?

>believing the dark ages meme

lmao

>>541263

Oh come now, if by Truth you mean the Christian Truth™ as revealed in the Bible, then sure, I'd put race, which is grounded in cold hard fact in biology above it. Hate to break it to you but most of that stuff written about in the Bible never happened, Noah's flood didn't happen.

>>541273

>To my mind, anyone who believes that the era that witnessed the building of Chartres Cathedral and the invention of parliament and the university was ‘dark’

Back in antiquity all of the city architecture was of an amazing quality and workmanship, one thing historical movie makers constantly get wrong is the color: they show ancient cities made out of white stone, as in the archeological ruins we see today, but the fact they neglect is that cities were always painted and decorated in liveliest colors. But I digress, the Middle ages were truly Dark, because great architecture was only reserved for churches, European architecture, which had decorated whole cities in antiquity was abused to extoll the glory of the church.

>Parlament

The Greeks came up with the idea of democracy and the Romans had a senate.

>>541271

>I already told you all my stance on gays, now please show some evidence.

Don't be such a literal Larry. I didn't take it as you being a sodomite.

>>541272

Hardly forgotten. Fun thing is, normies lap up those capeshit movies that are derived from Pagan lore. Can you say the same of your bible stories? When was the last time a biblical movie became a box office hit?

>>541273

>And? The majority of classical Greek writings were rooted in the traditions of the Egyptians who were also not European. Does this mean they should be disregarded

Inspiration and direct following are two different things. The religion of Christianity was created specifically by a "type" of people, a certain chosen people. And a religion is an entire worldview whereas philosophy is the study of word views and notions related to it, basically. Philosophical writing and notions and theories being explored.

>The Crusade to retake Spain

Reconquista was never formally declared a Crusade to my knowledge, also doesn't excuse the folly of the infamous Fourth Crusade

>Then why weren't any of the areas that were majority Pagan, in the areas that were formerly Roman territory, such as Harran, able to repel them?

The strongest kingdoms had already fallen to Christendom

>Many of the Christian rulers sold everything they had, including their entire kingdoms, to pay for the Crusades

Individual Crusaders did, I was talking about nobles. Also, still doesn't justify the Fourth Crusade.

>it was legal for parents to kill their children if they were younger than 13, rich men to have child sex slaves, and rape, while illegal, was treated no more seriously than vandalism.

Citation needed, and what society did these take place in. Within Christianity there is tolerance of fathers selling their daughters, slavery, rape, mass murdering a people, breaking up families, etc.

Your next few points are good, except

>If the Christians really were hypocrites and had no serious convictions, then why were so many of them willing to die for their beliefs in the time before Constantine?

And what about all the time after than, from indulgences to LGBT pastors and fag loving Pope

>but not to the extant that pervaded and still pervades in virtually any other institution of similar size.

Widespread enough for authors such as Chaucer and Luther to dedicate large parts of their lives writing about it. The fact that it happened at all is testament to the danger of the Church

>The Gospels are historically supported records from all antiquity

Still doesn't prove anything further than a man named Jesus Christ lived and was crucified at the behest of Jews.

>The Apostle Luke was a gentile.

And? Christ, the one whose name is the foundation of the religion, was a Jew

>Does that mean you're actually a European born in Europe? Which country?

I was born in Spain, raised in the US. Ethnically Basque

>which is a ridiculous notion considering that European culture was built by Christianity

Entirely false. The Basque culture had nothing to do with Christianity. Celtic Druids, Germanic rituals, Vikings; all had nothing to do with Christianity.

>There were thousands upon thousands of differing and warring sects, if anything it was a very divisive movement.

I am aware, but it isn't about the sects (unlike Christianity), it is about the outlook and way of life.

>you should take a break to improve your spiritual life

I'm not just improving my spiritual life, I'm improving my life in general

>I'd also try to actually get involved in the parish

I go to church but I feel no connection whatsoever to the people there, or to any Christians. They seem foriegn in all their outlooks and would just label me a "bigot" and kick me to the curb

>>541280

>the spiritual world can't be prove by science all together

If something can't be proven to be true, it cannot be assumed to be true. Christianity is a choice, not a default.

>I get it, there are some aspects of Christianity that don't work with white supremacy

Not a white supremacist but okay

>loving your neighbor

I think white supremacists love their neighbors just fine, they just don't like blacks. Can't blame them, really.

>random Egyptian frog demon.

I don't like kek, never found Pepe to funny in general. Sort of a shit meme alll around.

>>541293

Passion of the Christ.

>>541298

Not hating on it, Mel's a good filmmaker but that was a long time ago… Wheareas, you get Pagan hero worship in the cinema almost every month.

>>541271

>Prove this. I will believe this as soon as you do

I did and if that doesn't pique your faculty of reason then none will

I'll rephrase it in another way:

God is the source of all and we though fallen we do retain fragments of His nature: such as patience, kindness, joy, justice, truth, etc and naturally what would happen if we were to separate ourselves from Him we would end up completely losing sight of those virtues in our surroundings.

This is why Hell is a place with only suffering and despair because it is completely devoid of God

>Can a man not be good and be ignorant of or simply not believe in Christ?

of course he can

>Can a man not be good

if a man is not good then he is in willful disobedience to the moral law, in other words he is willfully rebelling against God

>be ignorant of

he can but God would never allow a man to not give him a chance to come into the faith which is almost impossible for someone in this day and age to not know about Christianity – its another thing to choose to be ignorant

>or simply not believe in Christ

then he has made his choice and he should accept the consequences of his decision without complaint.

But if this person lives in an isolated community never hearing of Christ then provided he lived in virtue then he would have a chance to save himself

God is Just, He doesn't force you to conform absolutely to His will because He values the freedom of man to choose.

He presents a choice either you deny yourself in this life of worldly desires and live a virtuous life and thus consecrate yourself or you either have your fun in this life and chase whatever vice you want.

He is neutral and accepts whatever you choose, but in your decision you prepare for the consequences of your actions.

you reap what you sow

>>541295

>If something can't be proven to be true, it cannot be assumed to be true.

That would be correct for a lot of hard science. There are many phenomenons in this world that cannot be proven, yet are true. Any one who has a divine experience or even an unholy experience, knows that it can't be "proven", yet it's very real. The spiritual world is more real than this one.

Here is another example in case video related wasn't enough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzIDI34dI-o

>>541300

>muh (((movies)))

Those movies are shit.

>>541300

Like what?

The avengers where its only tangentially related?

if you're proud of things like that then your respect of pagan lore is shallow at best

>>541300

A straight telling of Christ's death becomes a box office hit, even with all the jews in Hollywood trying to tank it. vs. a chopped up, repackaged, cartoon version of gods that will be forgotten when the next flashy and empty Hollywood blockbuster comes around.

So hard to choose. Face it, Christians have substance and European pagans have stories for shitty writers to dumb down for people who won't remember it once they leave the theater.

>>541281

>From what I know, Christianity is the native religion for us.

Only within recent history. Presuming you to take facts more literally than Genesis, that is.

Paganism has been lost, but it is the original way of our people.

>How so?

Christians murdering each other (Fourth Crusade) is hardly what I would call a 'success'. We also lost all the Holy land again, more wasted Christian and European blood on and for desert.

>Christianity raised Europe to dominate the world, both religiously and culturally. What do you mean?

We were never meant to dominate the world, and now, as a result of this, we can't even keep a hold on our land and people.

>The only modern records we have of any info on Pagans is thanks to Catholic scholars, take from that what you will.

Paganism is not like Christianity, I don't need to read a scripture to return to a simple life, venerate nature and the forces of nature (pagan Gods) , and now fundamental ideals such as the cyclical nature of life. Also, if it weren't for Christianity, I never would have needed to relearn my people's traditions.

>Christianity won against Paganism because it's the truth

Proof for this claim? Marxism has won in culture, doesn't mean its the truth, merely convenient and what the ruling classes want.

>What are some examples of the hypocrisy?

Plenty to chose from, how about indulgences?

>What do you mean?

I suppose I mean correlation. Christian societies (America for example) tend to correlate with falling victim to moral depravity.

>Our Lord Jesus Christ proved Himself to be God by His Resurrection.

Not good enough evidence, how do I know he was resurrected? Because a couple of people two thousands years ago in a foriegn land claim it? Regardless of their devotion, this proves nothing.

Quoting scripture to prove scripture is true is circular reasoning, by the way.

>>541285

>Are you 100% one specific ethnic group?

No one is, I am Caucasian. I descend from people's of Europe. I don't need any proof further than my grandparents and looking at my own face in the mirror.

>Which means you have no "one" ethnic religion.

Any of the European Pagan religions is certainly closer to my own that Christianity.

>It was a war, both sides fought. Christians were just better

Christians were often aggressors, persecuted "heathens". Did you know people who used to purify water using bronze cups were killed because it was "heathen."

>Europeans have been waging war against each other long before Christianity

Fair enough, but not on scales this large and not so brutally

>And Christians fighting against satanistic heathens isn't them standing up for their morals?

The Pope accepting fags and Muslims and bending to will of (((them))) is fine, but those heathens living relatively peaceful and traditional lives must be obliterated, right?

>>541303

You aren't proving this though. You are just stating what you believe. These things are NOT self evident

>then he has made his choice and he should accept the consequences of his decision without complaint

He isn't makin a decision. Lack of action is NOT action. They are entirely separate things. The burden of proof is upon you who make the positive claim to prove that Christianity is the truth.

>>541304

I knew a man who had an odd "experience". He thought he was abducted by aliens. He swore this till his death, didn't make it true. If I am going to believe in a religion, I need proof. What is stopping me from applying the same things you are saying to Buddhism, or Islam?

>>541305

>>541307

>>541309

that is not the point I am making. The reason why the movies and are popular and why the moneygrubbing (((filmmakers))) choose to make them(appropriating and dumbing down the pagan lore in the process) is because the vast majority of filmgoers are of European descent. And guess what, they have paganism in their blood. The anon here >>541272 said European Gods have been forgotten. One cannot forget that, which is in his blood.

>>541316

What is this even implying?

>>541096

Read City of God by St. Augustine.

It's about Grecko-Roman pagans but it very much applies to any form of paganism.

>Christianity is a foreign religion

So? There's a theory that German paganism is based on Greek paganism.

>any Pagan kingdom would have repelled the Muslims just the same

And the Christians would be objectively better at defending themselves from Muslims, seeing as they destroyed the pagan forces in the end.

>Christianity has done more harm for Europeans than good

[Citation needed]

>Christianity has murdered numerous pagans are destroyed their history, or at least tried to

>Implying that ending human sacrifices was a bad thing

>Christianity is religion that promotes weakness, who only won against pagans because they had the numbers and were hypocrites

Is looking for the least violent solution to a problem weakness?

>Christianity and the Catholic Church in particular are responsible for a great deal of hypocrisy and moral depravity

[Citation needed]

>There is no real proof of the existence of God other than some self-proclaimed prophecies from a foriegn land of a foriegn people, rooted in tales of virgin births and resurrection

There are numerous ways to prove the existence of God, I'll use two.

1. Thanks to the first mover problem, it is logically impossible for there not to be a god. This does not prove the Christian god though.

2. If the resurection did not occur, there are two ways it could have happened:

The first is that the apostles stole the body of Christ

The second is mass halucination.

The first theory is defeated by the fact that at least one apsotle would have cracked seeing how much they were tortured for their faith.

The second theory is defeated because the Pharisees could have just produced the body to disprove them.

>>541319

That you're some 'Murican mulatto mutt trying to claim your "heritage."

>i reject Jesus because he wasn't white

lol

>>541321

>So? There's a theory that German paganism is based on Greek paganism.

That's still within Europe. Christianity is from another continent and espouses ideals of universalism rather than nativism

>And the Christians would be objectively better at defending themselves from Muslims, seeing as they destroyed the pagan forces in the end.

They converted Rome, the strongest, then gradually took over the rest and killed many who didn't convert

>[Citation needed]

See the Fourth Crusade/State of modern society

>Is looking for the least violent solution to a problem weakness?

Did I say it was? Bending over for the modern times (see the Vatican) is weakness.

>The first theory is defeated by the fact that at least one apsotle would have cracked seeing how much they were tortured for their faith

You put so little faith in how people will go to get what they want. This can interpreted many different ways.

Even still, lack of admitting something is a lie isn't proof of a truth

>The second theory is defeated because the Pharisees could have just produced the body to disprove them.

Unless they did steal it AND mass hallucinate. Extremely preposterous, sure. But certainly more likely than a virgin birth and a resurrection.

>>541322

>>541325

How exactly do these prove the existence of the Christian God? You can mock me all you want, I'm certainly used to it at this point in life.

>>541325

I thought that's what Catholics believe, considering they think the Shroud is "110% real and you're an idiotic naysayer if you don't agree."

>>541331

I wasn't siding with him, I was just giving you the verbal/text equivalent of his image. Ad hom is ad hom, after all.

>>541332

?

I don't recall seeing

>and we believe that Jesus is from the line of the mayflower, as told in the critical footnotes of the KJV bible

anywhere in the catechism

>>541335

Sorry, didn't check IDs (or flags apparently).

>>541314

If cartoon thor means paganism is in our blood, what does accurate movie portrayal of Jesus mean. You're capeshit arguement falls apart because there's more christian themes then anything. They even made Wonderwoman backstory Christian, they made Superman Jesus. Captain America made a snark about Thor and Loki on the subject.

You larpers have comic books and scraps that we were merciful to safeguard for you. We have 2000 years of history and writings to hang our hats on. You bragging about capeshit flicks as some kind of victory and that paganism is on some kind of resurgence is pitiful.

>>541312

>The Pope accepting fags and Muslims and bending to will of (((them))) is fine

>"b-but cuck pope"

I'm not catholic, but literally everyone is doing that nowadays, even pagans. Why single pope Francis out? At least actual catholic doctrine is against it. Meanwhile, pagans have always openly accepted homosexuals.

>but those heathens living relatively peaceful and traditional lives must be obliterated

They were polygamous raiders that worshiped a homo necrophiliac, and a whore that has sex with men that die "heroic" deaths. There was nothing peaceful or "trad" about them.

>>541332

I don't think they really care if the shroud is real or not. If it is, cool, but it won't shake their faith if it's actually a fake.

>>541312

>You aren't proving this though. You are just stating what you believe. These things are NOT self evident

not everything in this world is self evident.

sometimes you have to use reason and logic because we believe (at least I do) that the universe is governed by natural laws that can be understood and reasoned.

>He isn't makin a decision. Lack of action is NOT action. They are entirely separate things. The burden of proof is upon you who make the positive claim to prove that Christianity is the truth.

oh yes he is, lack of action is in effect action in itself because every living thing on this earth is confronted with the issue of decision which means there's always a dichotomy.

if you see someone getting robbed on the street and didn't take action you are in fact choosing to not take action and implicitly condoning it.

>entirely separate

If you disagree state your reasoning otherwise

>The burden of proof is upon you who make the positive claim to prove that Christianity is the truth.

I have pretty much made the case through my

reasoned arguments and if you're not convinced then it honestly doesn't affect me in the slightest however it does affect you. By that then you could say the onus is entirely on you since either way i don't lose anything

>>541314

>vast majority of film goers are european

lmao, have you never heard of overseas revenue and china watching hollywood crap

>>541345

>Paganfags

>not fagans

>>541349

How would you pronounce that: FAY-gans or FAG-ans?

>>541347

we believe Jesus is a Jew, do you think Jews are white? I don't really know or care about the ethnic argument my friend.

>>541331

how do you think they converted rome?

how do you think rome became christian as insignificant christianity was

>>541314

>because the vast majority of filmgoers are of European descent. And guess what, they have paganism in their blood. The anon here >>541272 said European Gods have been forgotten. One cannot forget that, which is in his blood.

LOL. You're retarded if you believe this. That's not why people saw those movies. The gods can and have been forgotten, most people don't care about them except for a few fringe feminists and nationalists.

>>541353

>>541347

He's a jew who is now the supreme enemy of the "jews". If your not on Chris's side you're on theirs.

>>541343

>Why single pope Francis out

Because he is the leader of the CHURCH OF CHRIST! Is it too much of me to ask that the leader of the Church of Christ follow his Scripture!

If your institution can so easily just "go along with the times" then it is weak. And before you argue it, Paganism is not an institution, and neither is a race of people.

>polygamous raiders

Citation needed. This is misleading at best

>a homo necrophiliac

Lol what

>a whore that has sex with men that die "heroic" deaths

Misleading at best, really just lying though.

>There was nothing peaceful or "trad" about them.

I still don't like the term "trad". Anyways, there was. Strong negativism, tribal affinity, respect for nature and family are far better than what we have today.

>>541345

I don't care. Unlike Christianity, Paganism is not a set religion with scripture and dogmas to follow. It is merely a way of life that is meant to work in conjunction with good values, not replace them

>>541346

>sometimes you have to use reason and logic because we believe (at least I do) that the universe is governed by natural laws that can be understood and reasoned.

I follow this exactly. It was what led me to be interested in Paganism

>if you see someone getting robbed on the street and didn't take action you are in fact choosing to not take action and implicitly condoning it.

False analogy. Not believing in a foriegn religion and allowing a person to get harmed directly in from of you are two entirely different things

>By that then you could say the onus is entirely on you since either way i don't lose anything

You lose a Christian brother, though maybe that doesnt mean anything to you

>>541353

If you do not know the differences between races or at least respect your our race, then there is no possible way we could understand where we coming from. It is as if we are speaking different languages, honestly

>>541358

>If your not on Chris's side you're on theirs.

So Adolf Hitler was on the Jews side?

Why do Christians constantly feel the need to hold monopolies on things? From salvation to being against jews to even goodness and charity.

>>541358

The identity/racial campaign against Christ is conflating Judaism with ethnic Jewery.

>>541359

>If you do not know the differences between races or at least respect your our race

And where did I say don't? I understand races are different. I do not however, put race over God, which is what you do.

Shall I kill someone for being uglier than me?

Shall I kill someone for being less intelligent than me?

Shall I kill someone for being black?

We are all equal before God, and I strive to obey Him.

>>541359

>Why do Christians constantly feel the need to hold monopolies on things?

Kinda goes along with following THE supreme being of the cosmos. Not my fault you worship rocks or wind or whatever you larpers do.

>>541363

Of pics of some guy?

>>541351

>>541345

>>541349

>>541357

>>541369

>Meanwhile, pagans have always openly accepted homosexuals.

No they didn't, fags were killed and left in bogs.

It's more to do with city vs rural(pagan basicly means peasant) culture. Large cities always led to all sorts of degeneracy, Rome and the Greek poles were no exception.

>>541368

it should lead you to question more on an instinctual level. What leads you to believe that Christianity is the absolute truth and nothing but the truth?

>>541369

Meant to be a generalized face of a Jew from that time.

>>541368

That's how the Turin-pushers treated it, yeah.

>>541367

>implying I'm with him

>>541372

Yes, thats whys St. Patrick had to drive the "snakes" from Ireland.

>>541373

OK, and for Christ to even fulfill the promise of the OT, he had to come from the line of David, and be Jewish.

Yes? That's all fairly logical.

>>541360

>I understand races are different. I do not however, put race over God, which is what you do.

I put truth above that which I do not know. I KNOW there are genetic differences between the races. I do NOT KNOW that the Christian God exists and is the true God.

>Shall I kill someone for being uglier than me?

Never said you should

>Shall I kill someone for being less intelligent than me?

You certainly shouldn't consider them your equal and breed with them, you'll just be harming your children and society

>Shall I kill someone for being black?

Probably not. Though they are statistically more likely to kill you

>>541362

>Kinda goes along with following THE supreme being of the cosmos.

Still have yet to prove it though, so you can't claim no one else is capable of being good or being against Jews

>Not my fault you worship rocks or wind or whatever you larpers do.

Pagans are LARPers, but all that Crusader stuff totally isn't LARP. Like I said, if LARPing means following the traditions of my people, then I will LARP till I die.

Also I prefer trees and grasslands to deserts and rocks

>>541373

>Meant to be a generalized face of a Jew from that time.

And?

>>541347

>Tell me if this looks more like someone from Europe or the ME.

Would you say Syrians or Palestinians are white? About as white as meds, anyway.

>Have you seen their fucking screenshot. One would be led to believe its on par with the accounts of the Apostles themselves with how much they defend their medieval relic.

I believe it's real, and I'll get into arguments over it being real. That doesn't mean I'm putting my faith into it being genuine.

>>541359

>Because he is the leader of the CHURCH OF CHRIST! Is it too much of me to ask that the leader of the Church of Christ follow his Scripture!

He's still just man, He can be wrong.

>Citation needed. This is misleading at best

Pagans having multiple wives is well known, and them being raiders is kinda their entire history. Here's one of hundreds of examples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Paris_(845)

>Lol what

see >>541357

>Misleading at best, really just lying though

Lol, you don't even know about your gay ass gods. Look up frejya, she's a whore.

>I still don't like the term "trad". Anyways,

You used it first, though. lmao

>respect for nature and family are far better than what we have today.

Praying to trees isn't respecting nature. And you can't respect family when you don't even respect the sanctity of monogamous marriage.

Op, it really comes down to whether you believe Jesus is the the son of God or not. If you believe he is than it only makes sense to be christian and not any other religion or spirituality. If he isn't the son of God than there is no reason to be Christian.

>>541376

>You certainly shouldn't consider them your equal and breed with them

Well now here's we disagree, just because I consider them my fellow man does not mean that I personally want to breed with them, but at the same time, that does not mean those who do are wrong, right?

If it is wrong, then race-mixed children should aborted, or killed, or be considered less than full man right?

If you know the Truth, then act like it. I'm not a big fan of races either, but I do not brandy about race as if it superiority over the laws of our God.

>>541382

>not skin worshipper

Me neither. You see race goes much deeper than skin. Anyway, I wasn't asking what you aren't but rather why are you a Christian.

>>541388

>Me neither. You see race goes much deeper than skin

No shit, still doesn't supplant Christian truth.

>>541388

>You see race goes much deeper than skin

Every Human being is descendant of Adam and child of God. I couldnt care less about the rest

>Anyway, I wasn't asking what you aren't but rather why are you a Christian.

examination of prophecies and history, common sense and the fact that i'm not following LARPers

>>541359

>False analogy. Not believing in a foriegn religion and allowing a person to get harmed directly in from of you are two entirely different things

not exactly, I'm using this to demonstrate that lack of action does not exist and only action exists across a plethora of choices

you're welcome to explain and deconstruct why otherwise tho

>You lose a Christian brother, though maybe that doesn't mean anything to you

I cared enough to explain and spend considerable time constructing arguments , otherwise I'd ignore this thread and go on another thread on the catalog to funpost; but I know I can't force you to believe so I'll respect that and won't press it since that is what you've decided (de facto at least), basically like what God does to everyone.

well it seems we've reached a deadlock.

I wish you luck in your life OP though if you

do come to an unfortunate end later in life you really have no one to blame.

God respects choice after all: that's why we're not zombies.

Well thanks for being polite throughout.

Good luck

>>541374

Another thing to note would be that accounts of homosexuality in Roman times were vastly exaggerated, with nobles accusing their political enemies of the vice. Also makes sense why the Romans would want to accuse celts of the same, to diminish their worth, since they had occupied their lands.

>>541391

You really believe in prophesies? Could you be more precise? Reading the Bible is considered is the path to true belief, the revealed word of God himself. When I opened the Bible to read back in my teens, what it seemed like was bunch Bronze age goat herder fairy tales, with very little common sense through and through. What makes you believe that the faith based on this book is the only path to the Supreme being(I do believe in God, I just thought that the people selling me Christianity were taking me for a ride).

>>541378

>Would you say Syrians or Palestinians are white? About as white as meds, anyway.

Meds are nowhere near as dark as Syians, friend. White is more than skin colorw, its genetics.

>He's still just man, He can be wrong.

He is supposed to be representative of Christianity.

Actually I suppose he is, isn't he? At least modern Christianity, anyways

>Pagans having multiple wives is well known

Better than a church that is okay with homosexuality

>them being raiders is kinda their entire history

One battle is hardly their entire history. And pagans were more than Vikings lol. You realize there were Celtic Pagans, Roman Pagans, Greek Pagans, right?

>see >>541357

Okay, a couple or tumblerites made up some bullshit and are pagan. Also some quotes from a book that has no proof or substantiation. These mean less than nothing to me

>Look up frejya, she's a whore.

Again, I'm not norse. Anyways, it hardly matters since she isn't a human and thus can't be whore. She isnt one being, she is a spiritual being (Not to see I believe in her)

>You used it first, though. lmao

I used the word "traditional", and I was referring to the term "trad". There's a difference, I prefer the former to the latter

>Praying to trees isn't respecting nature

I don't think you simply "pray to trees." There's a bit more nuance and spirituality to venerating nature.

>And you can't respect family when you don't even respect the sanctity of monogamous marriage.

Technically, you can. It's just not what you perceive as a "traditional" family, I suppose

Also, Matthew 10:35

>>541386

>that does not mean those who do are wrong, right?

It does, they are selfish. They are ruining their children's lives simply out of lust. They dilute their intelligence and give them a mixed history with no real roots. That is plain selfish

>then race-mixed children should aborted, or killed, or be considered less than full man right?

They are less, but it is the parents who ought to be punished

>I'm not a big fan of races either, but I do not brandy about race as if it superiority over the laws of our God.

As I said earlier, I prefer what I do know to that which I do not.

>>541392

>you're welcome to explain and deconstruct why otherwise tho

Because lack of faith in Christ in particular doesnt harm anyone (noticeably, anyways) and allowing someone to be harmed does

>Good luck

Thank you, anon. I know I seemed hostile, but I appreciate you and what you are doing. I hope we both find the truth in our lives.

>>541096

There's no regional religions fam. Morality is absolute and come from God, and isn't territoriality conditioned. Asking whether you know God is real is hard. Asking whether you know sin is real is easy.

>>541374

Also with regards to snakes, that could very-well the Paganism itself, because in Paganism the grass-snake is a sacred animal. They were considered to bring good luck and were even kept in the house by the fireplace, because they like the warmth. The also catch rodents, and rodents can bring fleas and fleas can bring plaque. Practical, those pagans.

>>541405

>Another thing to note would be that accounts of homosexuality in Roman times were vastly exaggerated

Sure, hide you're shit all you want but they were a bunch of fags back then, just like their spiritual successors today are.

>>541405

Entire old testament is an allusion of the coming of Christ. And only thing that held you from seeing this is your arrogance. For starters, you can read Psalms. Especially Psalm 22 for example, it's simple and obvious ^^

>>541411

> that could very-well the Paganism itself,

It could literly mean actual snakes to larper.

>>541411

> The also catch rodents, and rodents can bring fleas and fleas can bring plaque. Practical, those pagans.

Holy shit, do you guys just live in your varg tier fantasies all day. You might as well believe native american larp fantasies while you're at it.

>>541413

Homosexuality is the product of abundance and city life, look into the Calhoun rat experiments. The vast majority of Pagans were rural people who lived a simple life.

>>541422

Do they not? What's so fantastic about it, they were kept and revered like this in Lithuania up until the 20th century, it's widely documented. You have no problem accepting the fact that your Mesiah rose from the dead, while you have trouble believing in the simple biological reality, that grass snakes can catch rodents if moved into a house.

>>541428

>Homosexuality is the product of abundance and city life

Keep telling yourself that.

>while you have trouble believing in the simple biological reality

Never said they didn't. Just your present day rationalization for trivial things they probably had no inkling of to rationalize the gay away from your larp fantasies.

>>541406

>Meds are nowhere near as dark as Syians, friend.

Assad isn't white? What about SyrianGirl? They look pretty white to me.

>Better than a church that is okay with homosexuality

Good thing that My church doesn't teach that. I don't even think Francis is for homosexuality, actually. Also, Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus 18:22, and Corinthians 6:9-10.

>One battle is hardly their entire history. And pagans were more than Vikings lol. You realize there were Celtic Pagans, Roman Pagans, Greek Pagans, right?

Christianity wasn't "forced" on Rome though, so you're obviously talking about vikings.

>Okay, a couple or tumblerites made up some bullshit and are pagan. Also some quotes from a book that has no proof or substantiation. These mean less than nothing to me

>century old historical studies

>tumblrites

>Again, I'm not norse. Anyways, it hardly matters since she isn't a human and thus can't be whore. She isnt one being, she is a spiritual being (Not to see I believe in her)

>she isn't a human and thus can't be whore

Uh, that makes no sense. yes she can be.

>I don't think you simply "pray to trees." There's a bit more nuance and spirituality to venerating nature.

You pray to trees.

>Technically, you can. It's just not what you perceive as a "traditional" family, I suppose

Yeah, my bigoted traditionalist Christian view on life makes me believe that open-relationships are a disgusting abomination, my bad.

>Also, Matthew 10:35

Yeah, so? What about it?

>>541406

>It does, they are selfish. They are ruining their children's lives simply out of lust. They dilute their intelligence and give them a mixed history with no real roots. That is plain selfish

Sins of the father.

Additionally, take a blood test, unless you are 100% pure…anything, you have been diluted.

>They are less, but it is the parents who ought to be punished

Punished with what? White women with black men due to lust are already cursed with beatings, abandonment, and even murder, how would you punish them? And what gives you that right?

>As I said earlier, I prefer what I do know to that which I do not.

You do not know what you worship.

>>541408

Religion absolutely is regional and derives from the physical and moral character of a people. A desert cult, differs from a forest cult, just as the phenotypes of the different peoples differ. A religion of animal herders(hence the animal sacrifice laws in Judaism and in Islam) will differ from a religion of hunter gatherers(and European paganism stretches back to the stone age, when that was the main way of life).

Sure, though I agree all of that depends on the will of the Allmaker, but he made us all different and made us evolve to suit the environtment we ended up in.

>>541434

"Among the aberrations in behavior were the following: expulsion of young before weaning was complete, wounding of young, increase in homosexual behavior, inability of dominant males to maintain the defense of their territory and females, aggressive behavior of females, passivity of non-dominant males with increased attacks on each other which were not defended against. "

Kinda sounds like the current feminized society we have going on huh?

>>541436

>They look pretty white to me.

Looking white and being Caucasian are two different things. I should have been clearer on this point

>Good thing that My church doesn't teach that

Sects of our religion are, there is no denying that. My point was that tolerating homosexuality in any capacity is worse than any degree of hetero polyamory

>Christianity wasn't "forced" on Rome though, so you're obviously talking about vikings.

But it was on Celtics and others. And I'm not only talking about vikings. And to summarize Viking history as being bloodthirsty barbarians is historically retarded. They were explorers, traders and hardly bloodthirsty given their time period.

>>tumblrites

People who browse tumblr, and I was referring to those photos about the fag pagans. Nice job ignoring the rest of what I said

>You pray to trees.

I don't. Mostly because I am not pagan currently, and even if I was, I wouldn't.

But you know better than I what I do, right?

>Yeah, my bigoted traditionalist Christian view on life makes me believe that open-relationships are a disgusting abomination, my bad.

Polyamory doesn't necessarily equate to open relationships technically.

I'm also not arguing for polyamory. I was just being technical.

In any case, paganism isn't a religion like Christianity, it isn't an all encompassing world view upon every imaginable topic, it is merely a spiritual outlook and outlook on general truths of life.

>Yeah, so? What about it?

Whole lot of "traditionalist Christian views" on family life in that verse, eh?

>Sins of the father

And mother. I agree, doesn't change the fact that as a result of those sins that they are genetically inferior in intelligence. That's what made the miscegenation a sin of the parents in the first place

>how would you punish them?

Burn them at the stake

>And what gives you that right?

What gives them the right to curse their children and forsake their bloodlines?

What gives any person the right to enact justice? Justice itself grants that right.

>You do not know what you worship.

I trust what I know, not what I don't. Make of that what you will.

>>541448

Second half of this post is meant for >>541440

>>541446

>Kinda sounds like the current feminized society we have going on huh?

And? You can have a fever with a cold and the flu. The cause of homosexuality is lust, not abundance or city living. You can try to rationalize all you want to believe you're idealized version of history, but it only shows you're practiced denials of our well placed problems with the crap you people spew here.

>>541448

>And mother. I agree, doesn't change the fact that as a result of those sins that they are genetically inferior in intelligence.

That does not matter, then does someone with a 180 IQ have superiority when it comes to someone with 100 IQ? How do you apply that practically? What if someone with 100 IQ is wealthy and the 180 IQ person is poor, should they justifiably shift around wealth then?

>Burn them at the stake

That's murder, anon.

>What gives any person the right to enact justice? Justice itself grants that right.

Justice is just a concept, God alone has the right, and He has decreed you wrong.

>>541448

>My point was that tolerating homosexuality in any capacity is worse than any degree of hetero polyamory

That might be true, but your religion accepts both of those things. My religion accepts neither.

>Nice job ignoring the rest of what I said

Because it's retarded. You're entire religion is made up tumblr BS about worshiping trees and having orgies.

>I don't. Mostly because I am not pagan currently, and even if I was, I wouldn't.

>what is Yggdrasil

also, inb4 "i'm not norse, tho!!"

That what the hell are you, dude?

>In any case, paganism isn't a religion like Christianity, it isn't an all encompassing world view upon every imaginable topic, it is merely a spiritual outlook and outlook on general truths of life.

So you don't even believe in your pagan gods. You really do just want some gay "ancestral" shit to worship.

>>541331

>Christianity is from another continent and espouses ideals of universalism rather than nativism

>BAAAAAAW CUCKTIANITY DOESN'T SUPPORT MY POLITICAL IDEALS

>They converted Rome, the strongest, then gradually took over the rest and killed many who didn't convert

Yes, this happened however the pagans killed far more innocent monks for wealth.

The men the Christians put to the sword almost always killed monks or commited human sacrifice.

>See the Fourth Crusade/State of modern society

So, we're comparing unrelated things now?

>Did I say it was? Bending over for the modern times (see the Vatican) is weakness.

>Implying Catholosism is the only form of Christianity

>You put so little faith in how people will go to get what they want. This can interpreted many different ways.

>Even still, lack of admitting something is a lie isn't proof of a truth

Could you give me an example of when someone was killed in the most barbaric way possible for a fake religion when he could have easily admitted he lied?

How about over twelve people?

>Unless they did steal it AND mass hallucinate. Extremely preposterous, sure. But certainly more likely than a virgin birth and a resurrection.

More preposterous than there being a giant serpent in the sea?

Or an eight-legged horse?

Or a giant rainbow leading to different levels of a tree?

>>541453

Lust is present in all mammals, normally it's a good an essential attribute, because it leads to the procreation of the species. What causes on the other hand this pathological lust for the same sex? Faulty genetics or the environment? Could very well be both, but the thing in Humans it is closely associated with is civilization and city life. The reason for this is simple: with abundance brought upon by civilization there is less evolutionary pressure and even defective individuals or individuals that engage in useless or even harmful behaviors(like homosexuals) can survive and multiply.

>>541487

And that's you're explanation to fit your ancestor worship. The levels you guys take to believe your crap is astonishing. You want to believe the way of "you're people" never produced degenerates and if they did they all unanimously decided to throw them in the bog. The idea that they were just as faggy as their modern counterparts just chaps you guys asses because it would mean all your /pol/ tier pagan larping is all made up bullshit to console yourselves. You have to play these horrible mental gymnastics every time you want to piss and winge at us.

>>541312

>Because a couple of people two thousands years ago in a foriegn land claim it?

The middle east was Roman soil. For hundreds of years it was Christian soil. You are awfully contradictory. Either paganism is "your people's" religion, even though it hasn't really got more than a thousand years, and the middle east is European land, even though it hasn't been for more than a thousand years, or they're not either. You can't conveniently claim an x=y and then x>y because it helps you deal with the preconceived choice you've already made. At the very least be consistent.

>>541453

>>541499

Also you should consider the possibility that Pagans didn't have strict laws against homosexuality and the such like simply because they did not need a law to tell them that. It takes an innately depraved and sick mind to produce such a vast array of laws against the most obvious ills. This is also related to how diametrically oppositely the two faiths, Christianity and Paganism treat human nature. In Christianity man is viewed as an innately corrupt, fallen, reprobate creature, whereas the whole Greek school of thought has this completely opposite fundamental belief in the idea of innate goodness of the Human spirit. They were naive to believe this because not all the peoples are the same as the Europeans.

>>541514

>In Christianity man is viewed as an innately corrupt

>let me tell you filthy Christians what you believe

lol no

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07610b.htm

In Christianity, man is said to be innately good despite having tendency to do irrational dumb shit (concupiscence)

>>541446

If absolute truth is regionally contingent, if you moved to Riyadh, you'd become Muslim then? Islam isn't big on apostasy, therefore you couldn't truly be Muslim, as to do so would require the belief that Islam is true everywhere. How would you get around this problem?

>>541499

Also, why should I believe otherwise? As far as I know my family tree is clear, no criminals, murders, homosexuals or their ilk, only decent people. Why should I treat myself and my people with cynical disdain, hatred or suspicion?

>>541520

If you'd read in to your own scripture and doctrines, it's clear cut, no denying that in Christianity man is treated as a corrupt, fallen creature. It takes absolute submission(accepting Jesus in to your heart), to become saved, if Christians believed in innate goodness of humanity, one could be saved just by being righteous.

This also the reason why Christians view fasting and other forms of mortification of the body as necessary and in general consider the body as something evil, that needed to be suppressed.

>>541523

I was speaking in-general how these things tend to develop. I'm sure in the beginning of the bronze age people weren't moving willy-nilly from Europe to Arabia, but if I did move(I wouldn't willingly, I dislike the desert) it would make sense to convert, (when in Rome do as the Romans do). They dislike dislike apostasy only if you apostasize from Islam.

>>541456

How are you sure it is Christ himself performing these miracles? Could it be that Pagan Gods are at hand?

>You don't get a manifestation of God unless you believe in him

Wow, ain't that convenient?

>My ultimate point is if you want to know truth, you must seek it, really test every criticism of the religions

I am. That's why I'm here.

>>541457

>Are you going to stop using 0 as a number now?

Are you actually a retarded person? How are mathematical concepts and a life-changing religion that alters your view on and shapes your opinions on just about everything even remotely comparable. Face it: Culture and Fact are two different things, Religion must be a mix of both and so far Christianity has proven itself in neither category for me.

>If your definition of a crusade is loose enough to classify the sacking of Constantinople by Venetian merchants

Which started as a Crusade and was carried out by Crusaders. But fine, count Reconquista. Doesnt change the facts of what happened during the Fourth Crusade and beyond

>Then what makes you think they could have stood a chance against the Muslims

When I say fell, I mean converted. They would have faired the same against Muslims because they were the same kingdoms, they would have just been pagan instead.

>Rome and Greece.

That's only half of what I asked for

>Now you're just making stuff up.

Exodus 21:7, 1 Peter 2:18-25, Deuteronomy 22:28-29, 1 Samuel 15:3, Matthew 10:35

You really ought to read the Bible

>The result of communists infiltrating the Church

Fair enough, still the corruption was latent far before this, and also spread to nearly all walks of Christianity

>A person could spend a large part of their life writing about anything.

You're just being willfully ignorant at this point

>degenerate emperors a testament to the dangers of Paganism?

No, for the millionth fucking, Christianity and Paganism are not the same. Paganism is not an all encompassing dogmatic world view, just knowledge of basic principles and veneration of several deities

>The part about him resurrecting from the dead was also kind of significant don't you think?

Where is there irrefutable proof in the notion that he was raised from the dead? Only other source that I THINK states this was the Talmud, and that is hardly a source to place trust in

>I was just correcting you're statement that Christianity came solely from foreign people

Luke wasn't European to my knowledge. And regardless, the central figure of Christianity (CHRIST) is still foriegn.

>Wow, what a 100% white, absolutely European looking group of people.

Ironic you mention this, considering Basques are considered the purest blooded Europeans and one of the first peoples to ever settle in Europe. Genetically, we are most similar to the Celtic people. You would know this if you spent more than a few second researching it

>Seriously though, if you count these people as white than you might as well count every group of people from the Mediterranean white, Achmed.

I do count my people as white, as we descend from the same ancestors to the rest of Europe, are genetically similar, reside in Europe, and have the IQs to match other Europeans.

Funny that you call me Achmed when you are the one defending the DESERT religion

>180 IQ have superiority when it comes to someone with 100 IQ?

Yes

>How do you apply that practically? What if someone with 100 IQ is wealthy and the 180 IQ person is poor, should they justifiably shift around wealth then?

No, the high IQ person is more likely to be rich in the first place, and will acquire wealth if he so desires. People whose groups are more likely to have lower IQs (Blacks) ought to keep to their own kind and not ruin other people's bloodlines

>That's murder, anon.

No, it's a death penalty. There is a difference.

>Justice is just a concept

So is gravity, doesn't discount them

>God alone has the right, and He has decreed you wrong

How do you know God has decreed me wrong? How do you know the Christian God even exists?

>That might be true, but your religion accepts both of those things

Except that it doesn't. It doesn't even mention them because there is no set scripture

>You're entire religion is made up tumblr BS about worshiping trees and having orgies.

This Ad Hominem isn't even true. Could you at least try?

>That what the hell are you, dude?

Currently: Christian. If I were pagan, I'd probably be Celtic

>So you don't even believe in your pagan gods

Never said that

>You really do just want some gay "ancestral" shit to worship

Surrre.

>>541474

>CUCKTIANITY DOESN'T SUPPORT MY POLITICAL IDEALS

More like

>This foriegn religion doesn't support genetic and historical facts

But whatever

>The men the Christians put to the sword almost always killed monks or commited human sacrifice.

Citation?

>So, we're comparing unrelated things now?

This isn't a comparison, they're two examples for the same claim. Learn to reading comprehension.

>when he could have easily admitted he lied?

This is probably the worst possible defense I have ever heard in my life. A person shouldn't have to lie just to live, anon.

>when he could have easily admitted he lied?

The difference is, Pagan tales are perfectly acceptable to be interpreted as allegorical. Meanwhile Christian tales… well there's stills debate over this, isn't there?

>>541487

>ad hominem, insults, and not much else

Good argument, friend.

>>541500

>The middle east was Roman soil

Filled with people culturally and genetically different from me. But… sure I guess

>the middle east is European land

Lol what

>or they're not either

I never agreed or claimed that Egypt was Roman soil, if I did: I retract that claim

Paganism is my ANCESTORS religion, Egypt and the Middle East are NOT my land.

Clear enough for you?

What's the deal with piety? I mean, really?

One god prefers something, and the other god prefers the opposite!

I mean, either the gods submit to higher virtue or piety is relative!

t. Jerry Socrates

You can't be pagan. Nietzsche was right when he said a true return to paganism was not possible. Western pagans today are just LARPers, they have no fear of their God that drives them to meet their demands and have good orthopraxy. Their religion is counterfeit and made to suit them with only a few connections to the past to give it more flavor

180 Replies to my original post and not a single definitively proving the existence of God.

I am worried Anons, this thread was a bad idea

Pray for me.

>>541545

If you don't believe in God then why would you be pagan? Wtf

>>541546

I meant of the Christian God, I am certain there was a creator of all things.

>>541547

No? Please elaborate.

>>541545

>definitively proving the existence of God.

There is no absolute proof. That's why it's called faith. There are plenty of reasons to believe. You can always use google or even talk to a priest.

>>541548

You realize miracles still happen?

The Eucharist miracle is one of the clearer ones, next to incorruptibility. I'll explain both as close as I can…

The first eucharist miracle recorded happened when a Priest was doubting the real presence of Jesus Christ in the eucharist. When he spoke the words of the blessing, the Eucharist started bleeding.

As for incorruptibility, many bodies of saints are incorruptible, and this is thought to be a sign form god. All incorruptibles are form christian denominations, mainly Orthodoxes and Catholics.

I should keep more verifiable links for those occasions

>>541545

>Holy fire in the Sepulchre in Jerusalem

>Shroud of Turin

>Relics of saints worldwide

>>541550

These interest me, but none of these things, even if true, will likely convince me completely to remain Catholic and worship Christianity in particular. These kinds of miracles could be a number of things, a number of beings.

I am not suddenly going to out and and start kneeling before trees and rocks, but I don't think my mind will be at rest for a long time.

>>541534

>Wow, ain't that convenient?

Part of the reason is that because you believe God doesn't exist or care about you, than whatever sign he may have given you is ignored because of the obvious.

The best way to get a manifestation of God is to praying constantly, it can be directly to God and asking him to guide you. If you pray at least once a day for a month, i know you will get an answer.

If you do pray, it must be to know God, it can't be just to prove that he exists or other trivial reasons. I guess your search for truth would be good.

>I am. That's why I'm here.

Good, seek and you shall find.

>>541545

>not a single definitively proving the existence of God.

than you didn't read the posts well, see >>541304 You can't "prove" God.

>>541554

>Implying you wouldn't be afraid to run your hand through a flaming torch even if you knew it was safe

Look man, even some Catholics are admitting it's legit

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2016/05/02/meet-the-russian-priest-investigating-the-miraculous-holy-fire-of-jerusalem/

>>541527

Correct - Islam doesn't like apostates of Islam. But if you moved back to the west from Saudi, you'd, under your value system, have to become an apostates to Islam. Therefore you cannot truly profess the Islamic faith, even in Saudi. How do you get out of this box?

>>541106

>unlike LGBT pastors and the Roman Catholic Pope

pagans were fine with gays though, celts in particular

>>541557

>Kind of a blatant cop out, honestly.

I'm not saying to pretend that you know God and larp, what you're doing right now is correct. The truth will lead you, similar to those who dig deep into satanism and are amazingly able to lead normal lives despite having a terrible criminal past. Keep researching and praying. I used to also feel exactly the same way about people who spoke about God with such confidence, especially since i came from such an atheistic place.

>How can I know something that I don't know exists? This is ridiculous

Yes, it's difficult to understand, but it's because it "talks" to you. It sounds ambiguous, but not to the person who is experiencing it. I would recommend watching testimony videos for a better idea.

>If you can't prove the existence of the Christian God,

I put quotes around the word prove because many know God, but can't make him appear or demonstrate him, it's something someone needs to find on their own, because God helps you in ways that are unique to you. In testimonies you will also find this manifestations of God in the help they receive..

>than the truths in the genetics and histories of my race and culture take priority.

>I am sorry, but that is simply how I must see it in the most pragmatic and logical manner.

It's alright, i know it's an awkward concept, if you keep searching i know you'll find him, just like many others have.

>>541557

Look, anon, I feel like we could be trying to convince you the sky is blue and the conversation would go like this:

>Well, it's red at night and in the morning so it's obviously not blue.

>It's black and starry at night. Not blue.

>It's really more of a purple color if you look close to the center at noon.

>I admit it seems blue during the day, but I have the creeping feeling it's really yellow, so I'm not satisfied.

We're trying, we're trying, we're trying. But a single problem, no matter what, no matter how subjective, and you immediately dismiss what we have to say.

You just completely threw out Eucharistic miracles with a pet theory about a trans-ritualistic god that resembles Hinduism's Krishna. Look at the text of the Divine Liturgy, man! How much more exclusive and qualitative can a series of prayers possibly get? Same thing for the Shroud. There's no way for us to convince you if studies and historical proofs of authenticity aren't going to work.

>>541363

Science says that Jesus looks like this, The Bible says he a virgin birth so you can’t just say scientifically he looks like this.

>>541629

>every person is a product of the time and region he was raised in.

This is also why we are revolted by certain customs of foreign peoples: for example circumcision, ritual animal slaughter or treating women like subhumans.

>>541331

If God supported universalism he wouldn't have stopped the Tower of Babel, and the one nation he makes wouldn't have been a literal ethnostate

I'm going to say it clearly, OP: you are a huge, emotionally unstable LARPing retard with 0 knowledge about religion, 0 knowledge about theology. A clueless child who doesn't even know what God is and treats him like some kind of glorified man. You are a retarded new age hippie with an empty purposeless life, seeking escapism in your cringe-worthy fantasies

There is Truth and there are delusions. Christianity is the first. Your fanfics are the later, you closet retarded fedora.

>>541357

>he addresses nothing of my post

Ebin. If you seem so inclined to talk with sources, why do you omit Tacitus' Germania? In Germanic tribes, fags were punished by being thrown in a bog. If a modern historian is willing to prove otherwise, is it more possible that Germanics disobeyed their own theology (thus they weren't "real" "pagans"), or that the modern historian was wrong in his findings?

>>541527

>>541514

>simply because they did not need a law to tell them that

Or they were just a bunch of ass bandits and didn't give two shits.

>Also, why should I believe otherwise? As far as I know my family tree is clear, no criminals, murders, homosexuals or their ilk, only decent people. Why should I treat myself and my people with cynical disdain, hatred or suspicion?

Honestly I doubt you know your family more then a great grand parent back. Everything else is is just wishes and fantasy. As far as I know my family on both sides were relatively poor people from Ireland that was never on the wrong side of the law. I'm not going to build some fantasy about how "my people" were being super moral upright people.

>>541642

no, I have a detailed family tree going back four generations and they were fine people. I have no cause to believe otherwise,than that they were fine people.

>>541643

Yeah. That totally means there wasn't fags two thousand years ago.

>>541643

And how many of them did you personally know.

>>541632

>If there was no problem of homosexuality one would not need to make laws against it.

There was plenty of it in Pagan societies.

>>541662

Wow, this has to be the "communism has never been tried" of larping. Faggotry isn't genetic so it's not going to be rooted out of anything.

>>541578

>The level of math you understand has an impact on everything you do.

But it doesn't change your outlook on things beyond the realm of mathematics. It doesn't change your outlook on honor, for example.

>the people who actually sacked Constantinople were just a bunch of Venetians LARPing

Fine, I guess. Still never should have happened

>Did you not watch the webms I posted?

I honestly missed them, I'll go back and watch them

>You're taking scripture out of context

I'll admit that I was using meme scripture for a few of these and just grasping at straws, but

>All Jesus is saying there is that a Christian should be devoted to him above all else

I do think He's saying more than that. It's pretty clear that this passage isn't exactly pushing for strong family ties.

>No, I'm just saying that the corruption in the Church was far less than any other institution of similar size

Eh, this is debatable, but even beyond corruption there are many problems the Papacy has caused. Christian Missionaries interfering with other peoples and causing more harm then (certain Africans becoming dependent on them, for example), several holy wars that resulted in more and more Christian deaths, interference with politics and being a political machine themselves.

These things cannot carry on, some sort of change will have to be necessary

>This is the "It wasn't true communism" argument all over again.

Not at all, Paganism and religions like Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are just wildly different.

>Josephus mentions it in the Antiquities of the Jews

That's still just some guy, who I do not know. I know I'm being extremely skeptical, but the level certain religious groups have gone to fabricate lies is immense. (((One group))) in particular even faked a… well I think you can guess.

>If you can't accept the truth just because the first person to say it came from the other side of the Mediterranean I really don't know what to tell you.

I can't accept a possibility, especially from someone foriegn to me. If it were the truth, and I hope I find that it is, then I will take no issue.

>LIKE ARGENTINIANS!!!1!!

lel

>Did you take that DNA test yet? It only costs like a $100.

Did I give the some corporation my DNA so they lie and say I have Jew blood in me? No thanks.

I've traced my family tree back about 4 generations on one side and 6 on another. I'm pretty sure I'm white, compadre.

>What are your thoughts on Hitler himself preferring Christianity to Paganism, and even speaking positively about Christians destroying Pagan alters, in Mein Kampf?

Hitler probably wasn't really Christian. From the memoirs of his closest people and particularly the diaries of Goebbels we can see that Hitler was fairly anti-Christian. He also appointed several pro-Paganist people in his cabinet.

Mein Kampf is meant to appeal to the masses, so it reads as such.

Not that any of this sways my opinion, he could've been Muslim and it really wouldn't matter to me.

>>541638

Is that what Jesus would say?

>>541674

>Is that what Jesus would say?

You have some nerve, saying "is that what Jesus would say" after spitting on him by replacing it with your LARPing fantasies and new age hippie worship.

>>541677

Spitting on him?

I came here because I don't these things and I was having doubts, I was hoping people would give me advice and proofs.

So instead you chose to call me a "retarded new age hippie with an empty purposeless life " and a "closet retarded fedora".

You don't even know me or really anything about me. Why would you say these things?

>>541679

You want proof when you are willing to worship a theological mosntrosity that doesn't exist anymore because they make you feel euforic.

I call you what you are, so that you can be self aware, you huge LARPing retard. Go read some writings from saints like Aquinas instead of parroting your emotional LARPagan propaganda. Maybe once your have a minimal knowledge about religion you will be in a position where you can talk about it

>>541681

>you are willing to worship a theological mosntrosity that doesn't exist anymore because they make you feel euforic.

That's not why, but sure

>I call you what you are, so that you can be self aware, you huge LARPing retard.

That's pretty rude

>Go read some writings from saints like Aquinas

I've read a good deal of Aquinas, his 5 Ways was what convinced me definitively that a creator exists.

>Maybe once your have a minimal knowledge about religion

I do, at least relatively.

>you will be in a position where you can talk about it

So people aren't allowed to ask questions unless they are experts in the field?

Doesn't this all seem a bit silly to you?

>>541683

>convinced me definitively that a creator exists.

Why are you even here then? Paganism is obviously not true. There is plenty of proof of Christ's resurrection just search for it.

I'm surprised that no Paganfag ITT had posted that one weird cave painting of what God is really look like just to make us "triggered" yet. The one where God was with a mother Ox giving her Ox kid her milk.

>>541687

>Why are you even here then?

Because I was hoping someone had proof that the creator is the Christian one.

>There is plenty of proof of Christ's resurrection just search for it.

If only it were that easy

>>541096

>a literal FringeWizard thread has over 200 replies

/christian/, I am disappoint.

>>541683

That's why. The truth is rude, retarded hippie. Aquinas is not just "5 ways", Aquinas is a lot more, including the fact that saying that there are several gods is absurd.

You know nothing about religion. You are like a woman. Emotionally unstable, filled with delusions. People who are clueless in the field should not talk about the field at all. You seem silly, delusional LARPer.

Why are you even in this thread? Shouldn't you be outside worshipping a tree and the goddess of the flowers and the god of cotton shirts?

>>541693

>If only it were that easy

It is, you have the internet.

>>541703

Why do you try to act smug when you are a retarded hippie with a meaningless life, who talks about how much he would love to LARP as a pagan in your petty identity crisis?

I'm going to address the "points" in your LARPing streak:

>Christianity is a foriegn religion

There are no foreign religions. There is one true religion and the other false religions. religion is not an epic LARPing local club. Christianity is the Truth of God

>The Crusades were a failure and are not a testament to Christian strength, as any Pagan kingdom would have repelled the Muslims just the same and Christians rulers were mostly concerned in gaining from the Crusades than holy piety

The crusades are the reason why you are not living in a caliphate. Your fictional Pagan superheroes either died or converted to Christianity.

>Christianity has done more harm for Europeans than good

Christianity is what makes Europe good.

>Christianity has murdered numerous pagans are destroyed their history, or at least tried to

Pagans are savage people, a bunch of wild people. You only know about them because christians wrote about them, you retard.

>Christianity is religion that promotes weakness, who only won against pagans because they had the numbers and were hypocrites

Your falsehood and LARPing escapism is weakness, you hedonistic retard. True strength lies in following the Truth of Christ

>Christianity and the Catholic Church in particular are responsible for a great deal of hypocrisy and moral depravity

Christianity and the Catholic Church in particular define virtue and divine truth. If you want to see depravity and hypocrisy, look into a mirror

>And the most of all; There is no real proof of the existence of God other than some self-proclaimed prophecies from a foriegn land of a foriegn people, rooted in tales of virgin births and resurrection.

you don't know what proof is, child.

Now read this, little retard:

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/index.html

Maybe if you squish your brain hard enough you will be able to remember something beyond your nonsensical fantasies. Until then, don't expect anybody to take you seriously, the same way people don't take children seriously when it comes to complex matters.

>>541709

>retarded hippie with a meaningless life

You already used this one

>There are no foreign religions

Shinto is a religion, it is from Japan, a place foriegn to me. It is a foriegn religion

>There is one true religion and the other false religions

Prove this claim

>The crusades are the reason why you are not living in a caliphate

Reconquista, which was never declared a Crusade, is why I am living in a caliphate. Not all those crusades where good Christian men abandoned their families to die in some desert to claim a piece of ancient land, leaving Spain and southern France to fight for themselves.

But yeah, thank you for those awesome Crusades where mutual distrust led to the Crusaders believing they might be being led into traps by the Byzantines, where Crusaders later even sacked Constantinople and killed other Christians, and took a piece of sand only to lose within a laughable amount of time.

>Your fictional Pagan superheroes either died or converted to Christianity.

Your claim is false on the count that I am not even pagan (yet). Thus, they aren't my superheroes

>Christianity is what makes Europe good.

Europeans are what make Europe good. Is Christianity making Africa "good"?

>Pagans are savage people, a bunch of wild people

Ancient Rome and Greece were wild people?

>You only know about them because christians wrote about them, you retard

Because they were forcefully converted or killed. If it weren't for Christians, I wouldn't need to learn about Paganism from Christians.

>Your falsehood and LARPing escapism is weakness, you hedonistic retard.

How am I hedonistic? You really don't know what your talking about, do you?

>the Catholic Church in particular define virtue and divine truth.

Virtue and Divine truth is selling indulgences, accepting fags, killing Europeans, mutilating babies, splitting families to conquer some land and ignoring the cries of people for help at home, wasting time converting Africans instead of helping their own people, and promoting modernism and blatantly ignoring scripture? That's what you define as virtue?

>you don't know what proof is, child.

>child

Cringe. Also, proof is a sufficient amount of evidence in order to substantiate that something is true.

>Maybe if you squish your brain hard enough

I'll have a brain aneurysm?

>the same way people don't take children seriously when it comes to complex matters.

Okay, grandpa.

>>541713

meant to say

>Reconquista, which was never declared a Crusade, is why I am NOT living in a caliphate

>>541713

there were actually very few forced conversions.

a lot of the early spread of Christianity was due to it being, well, the truth - as it turns out when presented with a better, true alternative the pagans converted quickly.

Even when the Pagans once again received support from the Roman Empire, Julian the Apostate's attempts to revitalize the Greco-Roman heathenism, people did not want the old traditions back and as the last Pagan Roman Emperor lay dying his final words were "You have won, Galilean!".

Now, in later periods there began to be more forced conversions but by then paganism was dying out anyway.

>>541713

>selling indulgences, accepting fags, killing Europeans, mutilating babies, splitting families to conquer some land and ignoring the cries of people for help at home, wasting time converting Africans instead of helping their own people, and promoting modernism and blatantly ignoring scripture? That's what you define as virtue?

Just because corrupt clergy support these things doesn't mean it isn't a sin. There will always be corruption in a human institution.

>>541096

OP you argue so stubbornly and passionately in favor of Paganism, that I have trouble taking your assertion of being a fence rider desiring to be led back, seriously.

In fact, you come off more as if you are trying to convince yourself that Paganism is the right path. But why?

So far you (and others in this thread) have been resolutely utilizing old standbys like "The Dark Ages were dark." "The Crusaders were mean." "God was mean in the Old Testament.." and "Christians can be hypocrites." as your weapons of choice.

However, while you focus on Christianity's faults with microscopic laser-like precision, whenever the faults of Paganism are brought up, your tone dramatically changes.

Whether it's the Vikings blatant betrayal of fellow Europeans for their own gain:

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/12/151228-vikings-slaves-thralls-norse-scandinavia-archaeology/

Or the normalization of sexual immorality in Greco-Roman culture:

http://www.discovery-zone.com/controversial-sexual-habits-ancient-times-egypt-rome-greece/

Or rampant infanticide and child sacrifice:

http://internetbiblecollege.net/Lessons/Killing%20new-borns%20in%20ancient%20greece%20and%20rome.pdf

http://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2014/12/02/child_sacrifice_and_other_viking_activities_108967.html

Once any of these have been brought up, you become defensive, deflective and avoidant. All too quick to fire back with a [Citation Needed] or outright ignore. I would not be surprised if you tried to worm your way out of the truth of the links I posted with some weak appeal to the legitimacy of the sources. Or perhaps you will try to defend the infanticide of those children who are "genetic defectives." Or you might even resort to the old tactic of "Well it was just that one tribe/ethnic group! Not all of Paganism is like that! (despite the fact that questionable behavior has been recorded in a wide variety of tribes, and the Northern Europeans and Greco-Romans are the templates that almost all NeoPagans model themselves from.)

And that's not even including the myths themselves, whether it's Odin's two-faced double crossing, Zeus' notorious unfaithfulness to his wife, or Medusa being the product of being cursed by Athena for the "crime" of being raped against her will in Athena's temple, the Pagan myths are filled with tales of the gods acting just as questionable if not far worse than God as depicted in the Old Testament

But why?

Why are you so adamant about highlighting the flaws of Christianity, and also so eager to brush Paganism's flaws under the carpet?

It's because you want Paganism to be true and correct in your own mind.

But why?

Because Paganism gives you something that you want that Christianity can't, or more accurately won't.

I know this because you brought up the old canard about "Christianity promoting weakness." You find the concept of "turning the other cheek" and having forgiveness and a lack of judgment towards your enemies repulsive.

You don't want to do it, because, ironically, it's hard and requires strength of character, because it goes against the natural inclinations of human nature.

That's where your impassioned defense of Paganism comes in. Because under Paganism you can have your cake and eat it too.

Under Paganism, not only do you get the warm fuzzies that come from feeling like you're a part of something greater than yourself, via "oneness with nature" communion with "gods" and a supposed connection to an ethnic ancestral line, but you don't have to change your fundamental nature.

Sure there are moral platitudes, like "Honor," you can feel good about following. But you're still free to hate or judge someone. To feel anger and self-righteousness towards others. You can tell someone you don't like to go screw themselves, and Pagan notions of "Honor" tend to involve revenge. Not to mention Pagan morals tend to only encompass your own kind/neighbors/countrymen, and not others outside yourself (it's how the Vikings could sell members of their own race off to Muslims as slaves and still sleep soundly at night.)

Basically, you want the highs of spirituality and religion without the hard soul searching and rising above your petty human nature that is demanded of you by Christianity. Paganism gives you this in spades.

More than likely you will retort back with "but other Christians and Christians in this very thread fail to live up to these standards!" Yeah. It's true. A lot of Christians fail. You will fail. You are no better than they are. We are all sinners who have fallen short of the glory of God.

Overcoming human nature is no picnic. But it's no excuse not to try.

>>541717

>Christians are weak, or did they kill or forcefully convert pagans?

Both. Recent centuries more of the former, go back a few centuries more of the latter

>>541722

>Just because corrupt clergy support these things doesn't mean it isn't a sin

All clergy support some of the things I mentioned, such as mutilating children

>>541723

>That's the fault of people, not the Church.

Fine, people are representative of the institutions they are apart of but we can let this one slide

>Reading the bible and praying for understanding is the best way to learn the truth.

I have read the Bible and no denomination seams to even be close. But thats probably my own biases leaking through, because that's what always happens. The Bible is too long and too vague to be effective as an unchanging unalterable doctrine to forever live by

>If there was no creator, no designer and everything is a result of chaotic and unplanned actions, then there are no rules, no universal truths.

I agree, that's part of the reason I know there was a creator. What I want to know is whether or not that creator was the Christian one.

>Again, I recommend you read the Bible (New Testament) and base your opinion on that

I have. I didn't feel anything, it just felt like a book. Some of the lessons were good, some not so much. So much of it seemed so vague and like they were avoiding the questions being asked like some sort of politician, it just felt like rhetoric

>How do you define foreign here?

Not originating from where I originated from

>Most European nations were christianized over a thousand years ago

And Spain was ruled my Muslims for hundreds of years, means nothing

Most of the populace was required by law to go to Church, and the services was in Latin. They couldn't read the bible and they didn't understand the services, then they went home and many continued to practice their pagan rites anyways. Doesn't seem very Christian to me.

>Christian nations, while still having a ton of hatreds and differences, were at least united under one religion

If you think that Christianity ever united Europe, you're being quite naive. Pagans lost because the major European kingdoms were already Christian. Had these kingdoms been pagan, they would've fought off the Muslims all the same, and they wouldn't have wasted time trying to claim some piece of desert and ignoring the Muslims invading their homelands (Spain, Southern France)

>>541750

>that I have trouble taking your assertion of being a fence rider desiring to be led back, seriously.

That's fair, at first I really did want to come back but I have been getting more and more frustrated lately and these things have been weighing heavy on me

>The Dark Ages were dark

I never claimed this

>The Crusaders were mean

They sacked a Christian city, friend.

>God was mean in the Old Testament

I couldn't care less about that

>Christians can be hypocrites

I don't care about that, I care when the official Church are blatant hypocrites, liars, and a general den of iniquity.

>Vikings blatant betrayal of fellow Europeans

Wow vikings kept slaves! Who cares? Besides, they didn't do that as a result of their religion

>sexual immorality in Greco-Roman culture

A regrettable occurrence, we now know better than sexual depravity leads to the collapse of societies.

You might want to let your Pope know that, though.

>Or rampant infanticide and child sacrifice

Rampant is a strong word. In any case, I'll concede this one. There are some things to be learned from the adoption of Christian values

>you will try to defend the infanticide of those children who are "genetic defectives."

Good idea

>Odin's two-faced double crossing

I don't worship Odin, so I don't know anything on this

>Zeus' notorious unfaithfulness to his wife

Which always ends poorly for him

>Medusa being the product of being cursed by Athena for the "crime" of being raped against her will in Athena's temple

It doesn't endorse that action

>Pagan myths are filled with tales of the gods acting just as questionable if not far worse than God as depicted in the Old Testament

I take no issue with the Old Testament or most Pagan Gods

>You find the concept of "turning the other cheek" and having forgiveness and a lack of judgment towards your enemies repulsive

I find opening your countries and women wide open for foriegn invaders repulsive

>you want the highs of spirituality and religion without the hard soul searching

Honestly, fuck you. What do you think I am doing, I am soul searching. If I wasn't soul searching, I wouldn't have made this thread and replied to nearly everyone who has posted in it

>Overcoming human nature is no picnic

Why do you assume I haven't had to overcome parts of my nature?

>>541757

>All clergy support some of the things I mentioned, such as mutilating children

No they don't. Christians are not at all required to get circumcised. Virtually no Christians were circumcised until Jews and the government started promoting it in the 20th century. The circumcision done for the old law cut a fraction of what's typically done today.

You seem to have a very poor understanding of what the Catholic church teaches vs. the personal opinions and actions of Catholics.

>>541136

Lol this is essentially what OP means. All these replies trying to reason with him, but his mind's already made up. He's fully adopted /pol/ mentality and now is trying to shoehorn a religion into his political beliefs, when it really works the other way around.

You will get lost in the woods. You will be tired, hungry and sad.

I did, just to be found by Christ again.

OP Here, I will no longer be replying to other anons. I have spent too much time asking the same questions, getting the same answers, and typing out the same shit. Thank you to everyone who replied, I have a lot to reflect on and I hope we all may find the truth in time.

>>541534

>How are you sure it is Christ himself performing these miracles? Could it be that Pagan Gods are at hand?

>Pagan gods allow their cults to be demolished and hundreds of years later are timidly performing miracles to glorify Christ

Larpagans really have some lousy gods

>>541857

>your mind poisoned by LARPaganism

OP, when you've matured and actually are looking for the truth and not something that fits your ideology come back.

>not for me and my people

We got a tribal chieftain here. He and his people are exodusing like whoa. Whats ironic is that his contention with sanctimony comes off as sanctimonious.

Good luck, young skywalker. Youre doing gr8 things for your people.

>>541846

And here I had hoped you'd talk with me about the historicity of your beliefs on discord. :(

>>541381

The third image…I never understood why one cannot reclaim his ancestral roots and still believe in the one and true God. I was always interested in the history and culture of my people and I studied it; this never made me give up on my Christian roots as well. It took me many years to fully embrace the true faith, but having a knowledge and even a form of love for my pagan ancestors never detracted for my acceptance of the fact that most of Europe was made great by kneeling in front of the God of the cross.

>>542394

Then you can say that watching porn is genetic because in the most part you need eye's to watch it. Its a choice. You can choose to engage in it or not. You can also choose to leave it at any time. What you are doing is making excuses for it.

>>541264

when everyone is lying, they can be easily convinced to agree on a single lie.

>>543335

Or your a fag trying to make excuses by using the tried and true "no you" argument.

>>543365

No, I was being honest, men don't do anything for me. I wasn't just saying "no you", but rather explaining why you guys should quit with the whole "homosexuality is a choice" meme, because it makes you look like a bunch of repressed fags(look up Ted Haggard). It only is a choice when you already have homosexual urges. (note pedos use the very same "I'm a pedo, but not a monster" argument I.E. they have an urge to to fuck children, but control themselves.) If you are like this, face it, you are defective and only electroshock therapy or necking yourself will help.

>>543406

>>543410

Then is drug use genetic. I have no inkling to do it. So by your logic drug users have no choice in the matter. Is all our choices not our own. Because that's what you are advocating. What you are doing is creating excuses. It's not my choice to do X. X is just who I am. A depraved mind can imagine anything, and depeavity is learned, and chosen.

Your link doesn't work but correlation isn't causation. Does every fag fall within its parameters. I doubt it. Do you know what's a bigger indicator is. Sexual abuse, no close male authority/parental figure, etc.

It's the modern excuse for everything and if you want to fall for it then that's on you. Most likely to excuse one of your behaviors.

>>543501

Humans stereotype individuals, each individual being in the image of God.

>>543501

No. It's not a disease. See your using every damn excuse there is. Isn't it funny how the numbers of fag/trannies just keep rising with the left ramping up degenerate proganda and brainwashing they have in every area of society. Once you take away the choice you are damning them to that life, instead of giving them a choice to correct course. It's exactly what the faggots do. They kept spamming "born this way" to discredit anyone that gets out of it.

And no, seeing one penis isn't going to turn someone gay because alot don't have anything spiritually harming them to get that way. Add a couple years of hard drugs, the occult, etc and a lot would be pliable to anyone/thing that might want them to. Hell, the commie struggle sessions we call modern academia is probably enough to turn them that way if they are mentally or spiritually weak.

What you want is something that can easily be stamped out. It can't because it lies within people's free will.

Jesus was ethnically Jewish, and all of Christianity was originally ethnically Jewish. There isn't anything wrong with this? We can say that modern Jews have fallen because they did not accept their blood-kinsman as Messiah, but there is no reason for race hatred. A Jew who relents and abhors the Talmud, while accepting Jesus Christ into his heart is as much a brother to me and all God-fearing Christians as a baptised gentile.

We are not an ethnic religion, we are universal for all races and peoples. Our nation is in essence, Christ. We are our own people - separate from the heathen, unbelieving of the world. It just sounds like you want some worldly distraction through politics, OP. YHWH is the only thing that should matter to you, not your worldly chance-happening of race.

>>543548

Who gives a crap what the mental health system thinks. It's as much garbage as anything else. Next you'll want me to care what CPS thinks. And I wouldn't want a kid of mine in the school system at all, fag free or otherwise. If the teachers union and the media didn't have a stranglehold on the info coming from schools we'd have a scandal a thousand times larger than the whole catholic molestation scandal just in the US alone.

I don't know what fantasy land you live but when my nieces elementary school goes from 0 homosexuals/ trangengers to 5 homosexuals and 3 trangenders, that's not just more media coverage. Sodomites do reproduce, but it is through abuse, neglect and brainwashing.

>>541096

>I am ethically European

>ethically

The crusades were all about Jewish interests. Catholic Spain was conquered by the Muslims, so the obvious answer was to retake Jerusalem? Give me a break.

>>541160

>He's a killer, anon. He killed someone in cold blood, and is proud of this. How could you respect someone like that?

He killed a homosexual satanist. I am fairly certain your desert God condones the killing of such people.

Lev 20:13

>>543636

>your desert God

WEW

Also, while homosexuality is still a moral sin, we aren't supposed kill fags just as we aren't supposed to stone prostitutes, or at least that's my understanding of it. In any case execution should not be done by civilians.

>>541160

>how could you respect a killer

Cause he's pagan?

>>541096

>I am ethically European

Unless you're from the Balkans, Poland or Ukraine and specifically carry the I2 haplotype, you're not native to Europe and-

>paganism is the only true religion of Europe

…by extent, your pagan practices come from central Asia and have more in common with Turkish Tengri worship than anything native European. As for native European beliefs, none survive, so tough luck.

Of course, I'm not stupid. This isn't what you meant, you meant practices of your people. What I'm telling you here is that your practices are neither European nor European-ly superrior in a metaphysical way or enlightening. They come from pure savagery that was your past before Christianity slapped your ancestors in the face and civilized them.

Just popping in to say that any American LARPers in this thread talking about a European paganism will not find much respect among EuroLARPagans for whom the Germanics, Celtics, Hellenic and Roman gods are all extremely different and at odds.

You are not one of us so do not begin to claim to be one of us. Just because you are 1/8th Irish does not mean we want your dirty mestizo hands near our culture or countries.

Furthermore, it is very clear that OP is on a wind up. Why should the spiritual be dictated by the flesh? This principle, combined with many other pagan principles, find root in base materialism. Give up the material and you will give up paganism OP.

>>543749

Because they could. Like everyone could murder. People make the same excuses about murders as you do for fags. Because everyone wants simple causes and solutions to complex problems. Sorry, there is none when you want to talk about our fallen natures

>>543789

Why not worship fucking thicc statues and carved bone dicks like the Neanderthals?

If you wanna LARP you should take your genetic fallacy to the complete maximum. Otherwise you're being just as unfaithful to your ancestral religion as you suppose the Christians are.

The fact is your shitty polytheistic cult didn't emerge in Europe so you're a hypocrite if anything.

>>543834

Holy shit, murder and killing are different. And sodomy is so foreign to us, but it literally crops up in every society throughout our entire history. Just admit it, the idea of choice scares you because it stops you from making grand sweeping statements that lets you live in a simplified reality.

>>543789

>Catholicism is bagan

>I'm not Catholic because I want baganism

Wew lad

Your post was full of sophistry that doesn't change the point of the original post which is that there's nothing European about your paganism. Beyond that, see greentext above.

The. Absoulte. State. Of. Pagans.!

>>543834

Murder and killing are different things. Please learn the difference.

Even in wartime murder and killing are different.

See the punishment/reward system for being caught doing friendly fire murder or for killing an enemy insurgent

>>543875

Unlike those diseases sodomy shows up in any time. Not just in times of ubandance.

>>541096

Do not confuse tradition, heritage, and religion with each other. Though they may closely tied to together, they are separate things altogether.

>>543875

>quoting Nietzsche

>probably the biggest critic of PaganLARPS of his time

You know he considered the idea of reviving dead religion much more idiotic then Christianity, right?

>>543979

I always laugh whenever Neo-Bagans bring up Abraham and Isaac since it always almost shows how they read the first few chapters of Genesis before giving up entirely.

We'll be praying for you! Begome Christian :DDDD

>>543979

>it is inseparable from European blood

Only actual European blood flows in the veins of 1/4th of Slavs. You're an Asian steppes migrant. Go back to Turks.

>>543999

>During them did not a third of the population die from the Plague, because "pagan" hygiene was abandoned?

No no and no. Every claim you made here is wrong, the Plague was during the renaissance, bathing was not abandoned and even if it was it wouldn't have made much difference. Do you marxoids ever get tired of your boring victim politics?

>>543984

Huh… it's almost as if sacrifice of the most dearest firstborn son is a common theme in the Bible. You know the crucifixion and stuff? Another common theme is prophecy so try to connect those two together if you will.

>What about Matthew 10:37?

John 14:15

>>541325

I went through this phase myself only to realize that it's not worthwhile. Especially after Charlottesville. Why would you place your faith in people who frequently throw you under the bus for their own political gain? You know, it's kind of hilarious that they call us cucks for believing in Christ (who died for all of humanity), but they're huge cucks to the white establishment (law enforcement, teachers, journalists, and politicians) who fire, assault, and imprison them for their views. They even place millions into funding anti-white propoganda outlets.

It's nice that you're trying to help them, but some people need to learn the hard way like I did.

>>543979

>Barbarians simply do not have the luxury to engage in homosexuality.

Complete and utter nonsense.

>>541096

>Christianity is a foriegn religion

Christianity has been a significant aspect of European culture for over 1500 years now. It's is disingenious to say it is a foreign religion like we would say that Islam is a foreign religion; the two forces were contemporary until the tides turned in the Chruch's favor. And this is only to mention the visible struggles; at many points in Catholicism's history they had to do battles of belief with mystery cults and Gnosticism, the subversion of Jewish interests, Islamic invasions, and the later deification of Science over religion in post-Enlightenment Europe.

>The Crusades were a failure and are not a testament to Christian strength, as any Pagan kingdom would have repelled the Muslims just the same and Christians rulers were mostly concerned in gaining from the Crusades than holy piety

This is a bold claim; to my knowledge none of the pagan kingdoms at the time (who were almost exclusively northerners and steppe people) rallied against the Islamic invaders because they had no such opportunities to meet them in battle, Christian alliances had done the heavy lifting in making sure the jihads were kept from at bay.

>Christianity has done more harm for Europeans than good

There's a long list of Christian scholars that are credited with significant theological, technological, proto-scentific and scientific discoveries and achievements; to my knowledge the long-standing civilizational aftershocks that these achievements had on not only the Western world, but the global world far outweighs the accomplishments of the pagans.

>Christianity has murdered numerous pagans are destroyed their history, or at least tried to

The feelings were mutual. Pagans and Christians not only murdered but genocided each other in their war of beliefs. It's ill-conceived to suggest that Pagans were innocent victims in the many centuries of blood that was shed by both sides.

>Christianity is religion that promotes weakness, who only won against pagans because they had the numbers and were hypocrites

It promotes moral behaviors, like all religions, in a way that can build communities of likeminded people, like all religions, and when those customs are affected by outside forces seeking to destroy them, it's no wonder that these actions were blessed by their leaders. Pagans were not innocent of this either, for even in their peaceful villages and kingdoms they had their fair share of violence and hypocrisy.

>Christianity and the Catholic Church in particular are responsible for a great deal of hypocrisy and moral depravity

And do these reprehensible acts contradict the many great acts that have been done to improve the lots of millions more people? At the tops of all groups we find people who have mastered the games of power, and we find that they are often lacking of character; we should focus then on the positive impacts of the religion as a whole and weigh it against it's crimes. From what I have seen, Christianity has done more good than bad, and that we should be working towards making things even better.

>And the most of all; There is no real proof of the existence of God other than some self-proclaimed prophecies from a foriegn land of a foriegn people, rooted in tales of virgin births and resurrection.

Religion is based on faith and mystical experiences. Asking for proof of supernatural phenomenon in a natural world is an obvious folly that leads to nowhere. Instead you should focus your energies inward and try to discover what resonates with you. You will, even in finding that you were wrong in the afterlife, be left to the weight of your own decisions. You alone shoulder your life.

>>543979

>your desert cult

(((WEW LAD)))

"husbands love your wives just as Christ loved the Church and gave his life for it"

Not that >muh nation is an argument anyway

>>544244

>for any other sane person

Yeah, those sane, rapey, pillaging barbarians were just paragons of morality. If you want to choke down fag propaganda and use their arguments that's on you.

>>544244

>And do you see how that's messed up?

No, it was a test. Pagans didn't sent their kids on rites of passage so they could get eaten by a bear. They did it so they're not scared of the forest.

Likewise God was testing Abraham's faith.

Luckily you nor any mortal men is not the arbiter of what's good and what's messed up. Only God is.

>Would you practice what you preach and have your firstborn go into celibacy?

If it was God's will

>Do you see how removing good, healthy people from social life is evil? Imagine the wasted genetic potential.

Thanks for showing your true colors as the utilitarian hard determinist that you are. Why would you care about any religion? If you crave for higher meaning here's a pro tip: It's not in chemicals of your body, that only serve as the vessel for your soul.

>>544307

>I'd say a large majority of even you guys in /christian/ are….

I'll stop you right there. I don't believe you are smart enough to get over your dumbed down version of Christianity to accurately evaluate our motives. Secondly, every larp pagan that comes here to cry at us uses paganism as a totem, a fetish to ward of the specter of modern degeneracy, even thow you lot engage in your own area of it. My advice would be to take your "we wuz!" crap else where.

>>544307

>rites of pissage have higher meaning

And sacrifice doesn't? Are you really so basic you have to assign God human traits (le sadistic tyrant) to grasp it was a test of faith.

>>544340

I never assigned such a trait to God(but I don't think it would be innapropriate as you say because God created us in his image, did he not?) Rather this test shows to me that this faith God was testing is supposed to take precedence over the life and well-being of your family, which I don't agree and is unconscionable to me.

>>544345

>God created us in his image, did he not?)

If you have no concept of the first inherited sin/the original sin you probably shouldn't even be posting on this board

>testing is supposed to take precedence over the life and well-being of your family

"My kingdom is not of this world"

>>544336

Yeah, the written word has been used to spread complex subjects for hundreds of years but it has failed now. I'm not saying you are using a dumbed down version of Christianity because it's such a broad subject. I'm saying you are ignorant of it as a whole. Larp pagans just like atheists have the same child like ignorance of spirituality in general, and Christianity specifically. You haven't brought up anything we haven't heard time and again. This whole thread, like others before is for larpers to come cry and winge.

>>544353

If I misunderstand something, then please correct what you think I have misunderstood or have misrepresented.

>>544348

The fact that Christianity is not worldly or relatable is also a problem I have with it. Another quote that describes this otherworldliness of Christianity is >He who loves his life shall lose it.

Within nature there is an indomitable lust for life and God has clearly imbued all of his living creation with an appreciation and yearning for life. Denying or neglecting this impulse(to live and bring about life), in favor of a promised world beyond, on an instinctual level makes me feel that I'm being conned, it just feels incredibly wrong to me. This is why I think of Christianity as a deathcult.

>>544407

>This is why I think of Christianity as a deathcult.

There are no Christian mass suicides, no ritual suicides. Murder is forbidden. Agonisticism (the Circumcellions) is deemed a heresy. We remember martyrs but do not seek martyrdom. Neither suicide nor murder is a dogma of any church.

>B-but you are exited for the afterlife

And there is not rush towards it. Read Book of Job.

The only real deathcult is the cult of sin.

John 3:16, John 8:24, Romans 6:23, Revelation 2:11