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>>540491

>what's the easiest denomination to follow?

Since I haven't followed all of them, how would I know?

>>540491

Anglicanism of course, because you have to deal with your fellow churchman constantly. I'm joking of course its because you have to deal with people claiming Henry Tudor founder your church.

Surely it depends on the kind of sin you have issue with. A man obsessed with the flesh, might find it hard to deal with the more controlling nature of certain denominations. Similarly, some people may struggle with the freedom that some churches offer, making temptation stronger.

I honestly, find this question perplexing and a little bit odd. What do you seek to gain by asking it?

>>540491

I was thinking Calvinist. You're either elected or not, and there's literally nothing you can do (or not do).

>>540491

>Probably not

You can get rid of probably, they're not Christian.

I don't know all of them, but being Catholic is very difficult for me. I'm incredibly embarrassed to go to confession. And then we have extra "holy days of obligation" on top of sunday services.

>>540568

>NOTE: this thread =/= how easy is to be saved following the denomination criteria

Real orthodox does not allow divorce either, and are pretty strict about sex too

>>540491

Orthodox, copts and catholics constantly need to keep themselves in check, fast, go to masses once a week and pray regularly to make a CHANCE to go to heaven.

As for protestants all you'd ever have to do is believe.

>NOTE: this thread =/= how easy is to be saved following the denomination criteria

But this actually decides how easy one's denomination is.

You need to see this as a game called "How to Get in Heaven".

If you then look into the protestant denominations let's keep it to a few instead of all 30000 :^) you can put hard-on calvinists and lutherans at the top, because these also follow strict observance rules and morals.

After that come baptists because although they could do anything some still try to be hard-on like pastor Anderson.

After that it's pentecostalism/evangelicalism because that's the Arch Linux of all christendom; you can literally make up your own religion and it's ok.

>>540606

>You need to see this as a game called "How to Get in Heaven".

Won't the opportunistism and soullessness of getting to heaven as a competition or a game make God cast you out?

Catholics have divorce but they wont admit it

>>540682

"it's not divorce if you call it annulment"

>>540682

No we don't. Just because some clergy do false annulment because they're heretics does no make it so.

>>540711

A study of annulments in the US found that 99% were granted and many of them were not for adultery.

>>540713

OK?

What's your point? Adultery does not make a marriage invalid.

>>540714

It does, its literally in the bible.

>Matthew 19:9 Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman, commits adultery

>Romans 7:2-3 2For instance, a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. 3So then, if she is joined to another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law and is not an adulteress, even if she marries another man.

>>540721

It's not well translated

>>540714

Adultery automatically makes a marriage invalid, which is why our Lord, while giving a much more strict commandment on marriage than Moses did, still allowed divorce in the case of adultery - because divorcing a woman makes her an adulterer, but if she already is one, then the marriage is already broken anyway, so it does not matter whether one divorces or not.

>>540701

>MFW I go to a Baptist college where you cannot smoke drink, do drugs, have sex, or even be in the same room with the opposite sex unsupervised, and we have a strict curfew enforced.

Verily, you have your reward.

>>540721

Those are two different passages. The first deals with divorce. Nobody ever said such a divorce entitled you to remarry, until said person dies. If they are still alive and you "remarried" that would still be adultery, no matter whether or not you got divorced. Mark 10:11-12, deal with it.

Your second passage is completely different, it deals with death being the end of the marriage. Pretending this is the same as divorce is sophistry on your part.

>>540725

Church fathers disagree with you.

>>540728

…No?

You know, when saying this sort of things, it's nice to actually give references. This is no better than a Baptist saying "that's not what the Bible says".

In cases of porneia (literally "whorishness", can be translated to "fornication", "prostitution", "adultery", "sexual immorality", etc), a man who divorces his wife does not make her an adulterer, because she already is one, and he does not become an adulterer, because the marriage is already broken by the wife. However, a man who remarries becomes an adulterer, and a man who marries a divorced woman becomes an adulterer.

In all cases, a marriage can only be undone if a partner passes away, or if the Church uses its charismatic power of loosing what it had bound, although this is only done in extreme cases and at the request of the innocent party.

Porneia destroys a marriage, thus making it irrelevant whether the couple divorces or not, but the charismatic aspect of marriage is only ended by death or by the Church using her divine authority. Indeed, a divorced couple is not charismatically separated, because marriage is a divine (sacramental) institution.

>>540491

1-Nominal Christianity (every sect)

2-Liberal christianity (implies to every sect)

3-American evangelicals

4-Charismatic/Pentecostal

5-Baptist

6-Methodism

6.5-Presbyterians

7-Lutheranism (LCMS)

8-Conservative Anglicanism (if such still exist)?

9-Catholic laties

10-Jesuits

11-Eastern Orthodox

12-Francesscans/Dominicans

13-Amish

14-Conservative calvinists aka Puritans

15-Legit monks/nuns/pietist

16-JW (even tho they ain't christian)

17-Indepenant fundamental baptists from Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona.

>>540743

>tfw no puritan gf

>>540743

Being Amish is actually pretty easy to follow because it's a closed community with very, very little outside influence. If everyone and everything around you is something, it is easy to be that something.

>>540734

http://www.staycatholic.com/ecf_divorce_and_remarriage.htm

>>540726

Do you honestly think I am trying to get sympathy or something by saying this? Do you think I am bragging about how good my lifestyle is? I was addressing the OP of this thread asking which denomination follows the strictest lifestyle and citing the evidence of the Baptist Denomination being more strict than Methodists. You must be dense man.

>>540759

For each Church Father on that page I can post a local council which allows divorce in the case of adultery.

>>540763

Do thr right thing, no matter what the intentions are. That's what is best for you, and me.

I have enough confidence in you not to start quoting things at you, but still, you really should have realized the premise of this thread was flawed. Is this what the publican in the temple would be talking about.

>>540766

If divorce is justified in the case of adultery, a couple wanting a divorce could just cheat on each other and then get one (some people actually do this).

>>540774

ok I will but I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. My statement has nothing to do with me at all, I had no intention of saying that I am good for doing these things, in fact it is the exact opposite. I was making a statement about this Baptist College in particular, and how strict the rules are that they set. I did not set those rules, I will not credit for making them because I did not make them at all. My statement is only there to reflect on the Baptist Denomination, I m only a third party. Thank you for your advice, I will take it to heart.

>>540787

>I had no intention of saying that I am good for doing these things

Believe me, I know. I just hope you're allowed to use internet right now. I like speaking well of others and letting them speak well of me as they wish, it's a lot more genuine than trying to do it myself.

>>540775

So what? The church just needs to publish that this is invalid and illicit. God will deal with the rest.

>Taking people's god given rights away because they might abuse it

>>540775

The thing is, in the East, it's not the husband and the wife who administer the sacrament of marriage. It's the priest. Thus, adultery -is- divorce - to commit adultery while within marriage, is like to spit out the Eucharist after receiving it, or to kick your priest in the nuts while he's administering you the sacrament of absolution. While a grave matter, it essentially destroys the sacrament, and while the

indelible aspect of the sacrament cannot be undone (except in specific conditions - such as death undoing a marriage), the sacrament itself has been twisted to one's condamnation. There is in effect no point for a pseudo-divorced couple (that is, a couple in which at least one partner committed adultery) to remain together, so a divorce will be granted, as the Church has the power to loose what it had bound together. But of course this isn't a case of doing it for the sake of it - it's for the spiritual health of the innocent party within the marriage. As for remarriage, that's a little more complicated - is this innocent party doomed to remaining single until their ex-partner passes away? While celibacy is a better alternative than marriage, it seems quite unfair to force a person to remain celibate for what could be the remaining of their life because their first partner cheated on them. This is even worse if they have children. So the first sacramental marriage will be truly loosed, and a second sacramental marriage will be truly made by the Church, although the service will be penitent, and the couple will be expected to remain chaste and live as brother and sister to avoid the charge of adultery (although, again, if the partner of the first marriage dies, it becomes as if the first marriage loses any and all relevance, and so the second marriage may as well be treated like a first marriage).

You know, for all the "le divorce church XDDD" accusations we get, people don't take a look and see how low the divorce rates in Orthodox countries are…

And furthermore, people take a legalistic aspect on it - in today's world, Orthodox divorces are LESS lenient than Catholic annulments. It's harder to get them, and not everything is permitted. But at least it doesn't separate you from the chalice for life…

>>540890

>But at least it doesn't separate you from the chalice for life…

Now Francis lets divorced have communion with Amoris Latetia. Lol

>>540713

Adultery is not grounds for annulment. The only grounds for annulment are that the marriage was never valid and did not actually exist.

>>540491

This thread is so silly

>>540568

I think the head games Calvinists play can be pretty striking. It's pretty difficult to eisegete the doctrine of limited atonement for instance.

>>540608

It's an oversimplification to call it a game, but if we're going to rank denominations from easy to hard then it helps.

>>540491

I don't know, but piety is a really hard thing to do. For catholicism, it's easy to follow the rules, it's easy to revert if you break the rules, it's easy to lie to yourself and others, but to become a truly pious man according to the religion you need to expect the greatest discipline out of your own self. From my own knowledge and experience, catholicism is a religion that expects you to become a better man every single day, no matter how saintly you appear in others' eyes.

Most other religions have their rules written down clearly and shoved down your throat. In Catholicism, it isn't about obeying the rules, but living the rules. You don't know how hard or even confusing that is. Just watch Luis Bunuel's Nazarin, I think that is the most essential catholic movie ever made.

>>541397

*wear (I can't spell today)

Didn't the shakers decide ALL sex was bad and die of no kids?

>>541404

Shakers were freaky.