/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

God is the master and Creator of life. He can do with it what He desires.

I accept it without questioning it.

That being said, doesn't that just mean they go to heaven?

>>539672

The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.

Blessed be the name of the Lord.

>>539672

>kill innocent people?

>innocent

>people

FOR BEHOLD I WAS CONCEIVED IN INIQUITIES, AND IN SINS DID MY MOTHER CONCEIVE ME

>>539672

What is death?

>innocent

>people

pick one

>>539672

I have questions, too. I attended a funeral for someone's daughter who died while using drugs and being around a bad crowd. I asked a woman in my church "Why God would allow such pain to someone who is faithful?" When a child buries their parents we call them orphans. When someone buries their husband or wife we call them widow or widower. We have no such word for someone who buries their child. Their pain must be beyond words. She led me to understand that sometimes God takes people from this world to keep them from straying further from His grace. I believe such is the case with the death of children.

I know for me, the lessons in His sovereignty are the hardest to accept a lot of the time.

The entire species is under a well-deserved death sentence. The wages of sin is death. We are all born sinners. God can kill us when He wants.

"Innocent"

There's your problem.

>There is none righteous, no, not one.

Jesus instructed the Apostles: Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves. (Matt. 10:16)

And in Philippians it says Do all things without grumbling or disputing; so that you will prove yourselves to be blameless and innocent, children of God above reproach in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you appear as lights in the world, (2:14-15)

Therefore, it is entirely possible to be an "innocent human".

>>539999 (checked)

Only because it is Christ who lives in us, anon.

We have shed off our former selves and put on the New Man.

> Why did God, on multiple occasions (The tenth plague of Egypt, David's first son, arguably the flood) personally kill innocent people?

dunno, what I know though is that it is irrelevant to you.

1. where are the souls he killed now? Heaven/hell/limbo/lakeoffire? You dunno. So you dunno the sentence, you dunno the judge's righteousness. You cannot morally evaluate him, then. Not because it is forbidden, because it is impossible.

2. what did any of those death entail? was it eventually beneficial or harmful for the creation? you are in no position to tell. What if the flood never happened. Would you be here complaining on an imageboard? No wai.

3. does god killing, even directly, enable you to imitate him?

“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

“‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest.

Thought experiment. You fire up a pc simulation, the simulated creatures become self aware. Do they have the right to prevent you to pull the plug when the simulation is not useful for you?

Now, instead of firing up a pc for the simulation, you are dreaming of one. That is, the simulation exists only as an abstraction in your mind, as a thought. Has the thought any right to tell you when to stop thinking about it?

redde caesari quae sunt caesaris et quae sunt dei deo

>>539979

What's sad about this thread is that that's the exact same reasoning muslims use. Just swap the names 'God' with 'Allah' and presto-changeo. The argument is now muslim.

See >>539999

>>539979

Mashallah Akhi

>>539957

Take your pseudo doctrine elsewhere.

By your logic Christ was born with sin. Please.

>>539672

God is perfectly just.

The good times are in balance with the bad.

>>540066

>he doesn't believe in the immaculate conception

Sad!

1. Nobody was or is innocent

2. Idolatry deserves immediate death, which the Egyptians did not all receive, so God was in fact merciful with the tenth plague.

3. God promised and did not rescind that promise to David that from David the Messiah would come. Since David did several things that deserved immediate death, he had to die, but could not, so the next representative (the son from the adultery) would be killed.

4.

>Arguably the flood

Are you kidding me? No one was innocent, not one.

5. The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord.

>>539688

Blessed digits checked.

>>540066

>being this faithless

<The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

>>539672

They weren't innocent. They were descended from Adam, making them born sinners. Plus, the Egyptians worshiped their sun god(s) as a scarab, meaning that they literally viewed a shit-eating insect as divine.

>>540066

We are sinners because we are Adam's children. "Spirit" is patrilineal, and Christ was not conceived by a man, but by the Holy Spirit, and therefore did not inherit Adam's sinful nature.

>>540091

> 1. Nobody was or is innocent

/thread

>Nobody even has the answer OP is searching for

Exodus 20:5

>"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"

Its because of peoples iniquity.

Also,

>arguably the flood

Genesis 6:5

>"And God saw the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

No, NOT arguably.