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>>536430

Can you explain me point 1 in plain English?

Unfortunately it is not my first language, and as well as I speak it, I can't understand it properly.

Thank you

>>536423

>so I come here for short answers from the Prots: how can there be Evil in the world if there is no Free Will?

We believe there is free will. Creaturely free will is not independent from divine free will (Ps 33:10-11), and God wills freely chosen acts of evil to a good end (Gen 50:20). When we and our reformers deny there is such a thing as free will, some confusion arises, since we mean freedom from slavery to sin, not freedom to choose. We deny the former sense in the natural man, affirm it in the spiritual man, and affirm the latter sense in all men.

>>536433

Thank you very much, it is much clearer now. Which denomination do you belong to? (if any)

Can you suggest me some readings?

>>536435

>Thank you very much

You are very welcome.

>Which denomination do you belong to?

I'm a Presbyterian

>Can you suggest me some readings?

I'm assuming you mean writings. If you haven't yet, you should read On the Bondage of the Will https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/pdf/luther_arbitrio.pdf, and I would reccomend Calvin's Institutes http://www.biblestudytools.com/history/calvin-institutes-christianity/, but if you're insterested in Lutheranism, Luther's writings will certainly help http://www.godrules.net/library/luther/luther.htm.

>We're studying Kant in Philosophy and as I argued with the professor that Kant had a pretty "Catholic" vision of God

<"Cogito" before "esse" philosophy

<Catholic in any sense

By all means, no.

>more like I feel it's right, than I understand it's right.

Well, Luther was all about feels even against truth, it natural for you.

> Catholic school killed every ounce of me that wanted to believe. I became fedora for some time

Most catholic schools are pozzing. But it's only because all public education from secular republics is pozzed. The times when you went to school to be educated in vital matters is dead.

> I haven't had the occasion to study the thing well enough, I don't have much time

No one have no time for God. You have a more time than you think, just manage it better. Reading theology is thing that you can "squeeze" into your daily routine.

>>536487

When I meant "catholic",and I wrote it with those marks for a reson, is that his vision of God was closer to the Catholic one than to the Protestant one (since he was Prussian I expected the opposite) and the professor agreeed.

>Most catholic schools are pozzing. But it's only because all public education from secular republics is pozzed. The times when you went to school to be educated in vital matters is dead.

Not public, held by laymen under the jurisdiction of the Church and technically private. It was the woman teaching me the Catholic doctrine that send me away from it.

>No one have no time for God. You have a more time than you think, just manage it better. Reading theology is thing that you can "squeeze" into your daily routine.

I do squeeze in some time for it, the most I can. And this is part of it: I'm asking people because I know you guys can provide me the information I need faster than I would were I to buy a book, wait for it to ship (not very easy to find them in libraries these days) and then read it thoroughly. I do my part everyday, but I really do not have the time to study the topic as much as I would. I have a decent knowledge of the subject, I can say that, I strive to improve everyday, and everyday it's a little step forward. I can't do big steps, unforunately.

>>536448

It's readings before I'm to read it (?) I've seen this expression being used. Thank you again.

>>536432

"God is completely sovereign over everything, yet He doesn't create or cause evil and all actions will end as the results of God's will."

Remember when the patriarch Joseph was sold into slavery, then God, the highest, enable him to rise to the governmental ranks, which later helps the tribe of Israel from a 7 year famine?

God's will acts similarly in the mist of fallen creatures-That is, He doesn't initiate evil, but can use the aftermath for His own goals. At least, that's how I understand it.

>>536579

>God doesn't create evil

lulwut Isaiah 45:7 kjv

>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Ye knowing not the scriptures nor God make His word of none effect by your tradition. Study what God says in the Bible.

>>536537

>Not public, held by laymen under the jurisdiction of the Church and technically private

Then they are displeasing the Lord because no interpretation of scripture should be private see 1 peter 1:20.

>>536586

>Kjv standard

Ah yes, I forget that Isaiah spoke late medieval English and not paleo-Hebrew.

>>536537

>When I meant "catholic",and I wrote it with those marks for a reson, is that his vision of God was closer to the Catholic one than to the Protestant one (since he was Prussian I expected the opposite) and the professor agreeed.

His vision of God is not Catholic. Nor Protestant. It's vision of Kant.

>Not public, held by laymen under the jurisdiction of the Church and technically private. It was the woman teaching me the Catholic doctrine that send me away from it.

Private school are still under government. Sure they have autonomy but not as much as they should.

Also

>Woman

>Not nun

>Teaching about Christianity

shiggy diggy.

>>536586

>lulwut Isaiah 45:7 kjv

<Natural evil and afflictions and punishments=Moral evil

Whis is your brain of lack of theology.