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Christianity would be a minority religion in the world, especially in the west, without Catholicism Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 21:22:40 0944ea No.531196

If we're looking at the Early Church, this will obviously include the Orthodox, but let's focus on the parts of Europe that allowed Christianity to spread throughout the world (mostly non-Orthodox countries).

- Dealing with the pagans. Who organized evangelization efforts? The Catholics. They converted tribes that had been battling for centuries. The process of evangelization in Europe and North Africa was like a well-oiled machine. In future centuries the Catholic organized evangelization in foreign countries.

Dealing with the Muslims. This is the most important factor. Starting in 7th century when Islam was created, they started attacking their neighbors. Most Orthodox countries in the Levant and Anatolia started disappearing at this time.

Who pushed them back? The Catholic Church. It united and funded nobles under a common cause: preserving Christendom.

=The Battle Of Tours=

=The Battle Of Vienna=

=The Battle Of Covadonga=

=The Battle Of Lepanto=

=The Crusades (in Iberia and helping Christian brothers in the east)=

The list goes on and on.

Protestants love to complain about Catholics, but without the Church, you probably would either be worshiping some pagan god (either some tree or the senile pedophile) or you'd be persecuted as a minority.

What did the Protestants achieve? War and atheism. Look at the time when Protestantism arose. Those were the most violent years in Christian history. Millions dead because of infighting over denominational beliefs, a weakened Church, and all of this added fuel to the fire that gave rise to secularism.

Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 21:30:16 4aec59 No.531197

Nobody is denying that the Roman Church has done some great things for God. My issues are simply with those things as listed in the Ausburg Confession.

You should be ashamed of this thread for many reasons, brother. This is blatant bait-posting and denominational argumentation not built on doctrine or Truth but simply on provoking a reaction and the (you)s you worship. In addition, I must call attention to the spacing of your post, which is akin to that used on the forum known as "reddit." I would suggest you either proceed to lurk quietly and think about this post in an introspective manner, or, that failing, return to reddit.

Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 21:30:33 73898b No.531198

>a thousand years ago we were pretty good

Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 21:50:59 a3dd72 No.531202

>>531196

>=The Battle Of Lepanto=

You lost the Ottoman-Venetian War, mate.

Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 21:53:36 a3dd72 No.531203

>>531196

>=The Crusades (in Iberia and helping Christian brothers in the east)=

The crusades were a fiasco that achieved jack shit long term.

Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 22:07:16 a3dd72 No.531206

>>531196

> Most Orthodox countries in the Levant and Anatolia started disappearing at this time.

Despite being in communion with Rome for another 3 centuries, and even more in places like Antioch?

This does far more to harm your point than anything

Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 23:31:36 51566d No.531265

Maybe if you hadn't oppressed the Fundamentalist Baptist Church with the trail of blood then maybe the mohammadens would have been good Christians and all that blood wouldn't have been spilled for St Ishtar

Christanon 09/28/17 (Thu) 23:44:10 4a66ad No.531266

>>531196

God's people was always just a remnant.

And to be fair, religion itself would become a minority view if all the false Abrahamic religions, Zionist Muslicism, was removed.

Christanon 09/29/17 (Fri) 06:18:11 e75014 No.531415

>>531196

>or you'd be persecuted as a minority

We were persecuted as a minority. You were the ones persecuting us.

>War and atheism

Silly me, I thought the Enlightenment was started and led by a bunch of Frenchmen, and I thought its main oponents were Germans and Englishmen.

>Look at the time when Protestantism arose. Those were the most violent years in Christian history

That probably has something to do with the Catholic Church and Catholic monarchs consistently attempting to violently destroy our religion.

Christanon 09/29/17 (Fri) 21:17:36 a6afa3 No.531697

>>531196

>The Crusades

The Crusades are one the most IS-tier period in christian history. Was in an area pf need, like to help the spanish reconquista? Nope. Was it at least to reconquor areas close to Constantinople? Naw. "Let's go to Jerusalem and drench the Grave of Christ with blood. Let's also grab some loot while we are at it. Toatally not for worldly gains, I swear!"

Lying about history like that is despicable. I'm not even saying that the Muslims weren't also making invasions. It's just a fact that the cursades weren't done to stop them but for personal gain.

Christanon 09/29/17 (Fri) 21:35:05 a51b57 No.531703

>Christianity would be a minority religion in the world, especially in the west, without Catholicism

So? Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Spreading and preserving a faith called Christianity is only a positive thing if it includes the saving gospel.

Christanon 09/29/17 (Fri) 22:11:34 d7f464 No.531718

>>531697

>It's just a fact that the cursades weren't done to stop them but for personal gain.

That's completely false, many crusaders didn't get anything at all from it, many even sold their possessions before (or after) the crusades. The casualty rate was extremely high and most sermons in Europe painted a dim picture of the crusades, yet most people volunteered anyway. The only crusade that was clearly about money and petty disputes was the infamous Fourth Crusade, which I will never support. Look up Real Crusades History on Youtube if you want to learn more.

Christanon 09/29/17 (Fri) 22:33:52 b5318e No.531728

Hey genius, protestants were part of the Catholic Church during these achievements. We split from the Church because it had become corrupt and anti Christ. This is a thinly veiled attack on Orthodox, if anything.

Christanon 09/30/17 (Sat) 00:31:36 7adbf9 No.531804

Catholics aren't Christian, they don't follow Christ's teaching they follow the pope's.

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Christanon 09/30/17 (Sat) 07:36:06 26b168 No.531948

>>531718

>Look up Real Crusades History on Youtube if you want to learn more.

I'm not OP, but thank you for the recommendation.

Christanon 09/30/17 (Sat) 07:47:48 d15a2d No.531954

>>531203

Yes. Because not fighting would had been much better

Christanon 09/30/17 (Sat) 08:11:21 aa57a2 No.531962

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>>531718

Looked it up. He does make good videos but he seems kinda biased when it comes to some events. Especially when it comes to comparing Christian and Muslim actions directly.

For example, look at this part in his video:

The First Crusade - Episode 19: The Fall of Jerusalem, 1099 at about the 3:30 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvQzARhEGw0

Then compare it to how he describes Saladins actions at in this video, from 4:50 onward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqEovnetLFo

While it is true that many modern media depict the crusades wrongly, demonizing the Crusaders while victimizing the Muslims, I don't think he is doing a fair comparison either.

Christanon 09/30/17 (Sat) 10:15:10 c60ee8 No.531998

>>531954

I'm not saying military action wasn't needed.

I mean, c'mon, that's the reason emperor Alexios asked for western knights in the first place.

But it turned into a idiotic fiasco where petty lords just wanted some power or bragging rights, which in some cases directly compromised the crusades(see Nicopolis), and did more damage to the East than helped.

It's telling a random excommunicated noble managed to do more via diplomacy than the crusaders, who's greed let them lose the cities of Egypt.

Bragging about them is stupid.

Christanon 09/30/17 (Sat) 13:48:12 88ec31 No.532022

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>>531196

>Christianity would be a minority religion in the world, especially in the west, without Catholicism

< As it is, there are many members, yet one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you," nor again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you." On the contrary, the members of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and those members of the body that we think less honorable we clothe with greater honor, and our less respectable members are treated with greater respect; whereas our more respectable members do not need this. But God has so arranged the body, giving the greater honor to the inferior member, that there may be no dissension within the body, but the members may have the same care for one another. If one member suffers, all suffer together with it; if one member is honored, all rejoice together with it.

< Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.

Why would you even say that, OP, as though we would imagine a world without half of the Body? Sure, we might not agree with you – but since when has ANY family been perfectly in one accord? – and we would love to see you do things differently, but that doesn't mean the left arm can be told by the right, "We don't need you, go away."

Yes, pic related has far too few Asians, Africans, middle-easterners and south americans.

Christanon 09/30/17 (Sat) 14:10:55 ab3d6f No.532030

>ad populum

Yawn.

>Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church. —St. Athanasius

The number of Christians in the West who are not nominal and/or liberal is a tiny minority nowadays, anyway.

Christanon 09/30/17 (Sat) 19:06:26 9fb863 No.532143

Yeah guys, don't listen to all of those billions of messed up liberal catholics, like the Pope. Listen to no one; only those who follow doctrine like me are right.

>three seconds later

>posts pie chart

Look at all the people that agree with me!

Christanon 09/30/17 (Sat) 21:21:19 6ea81b No.532192

Yep, it's no wonder that protestant countries are the ones where godless atheism grows strongest

Christanon 09/30/17 (Sat) 21:28:52 e75014 No.532202

>>532192

Like France?

Christanon 09/30/17 (Sat) 23:11:37 a4f843 No.532230

>>531203

>The crusades were a fiasco that achieved jack shit long term.

Yeah it only served as a Cross Counter against the gigantic expansion of the Muslim Empire, aswell as setting the mindset for having kingdoms cooperation for a victory in Battle of Lepanto.

Christanon 09/30/17 (Sat) 23:13:41 00c634 No.532231

>>532202

like southern france?

Christanon 09/30/17 (Sat) 23:31:05 f9fca6 No.532237

>>531804

based mods

Christanon 10/02/17 (Mon) 12:45:48 3eac51 No.533082

>>531196

Wrong without Catholicism there would be Orthodoxy.

Also we would be even bigger than Catholics because we would allow countries to have Patriarchs so there would be less protestants if any.

Christanon 10/02/17 (Mon) 12:55:35 7515b8 No.533084

>>533082

Also, Consider Autocephaly system, Japan would be more likely to BEGOME :DDD, as instead of seeing it as foreign power with foreign leader, they would appoint Japanese leader of Japanese Church and Shoguns would be less inclined to pursue anti-Christian policy…

Christanon 10/02/17 (Mon) 13:00:49 3eac51 No.533087

>>533084

Can imagine Catholics trying to make Japanese use a Latin alphabet.

The Orthodox Church did not force Russians to use the Greek alphabet they made them one (which was similar to the Greek alphabet but still had sounds not found in Greek).

Christanon 10/13/17 (Fri) 19:20:46 4de4c0 No.537817

Catholic lands were far away from Muslim strongholds. If they were somewhere like middleeast, north africa, or anatolia etc. then Catholicism would be almost dead by now.

Christanon 10/13/17 (Fri) 19:48:49 f44b97 No.537821

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>>531196

<or you'd be persecuted as a minority.

>he thinks real Christians aren't persecuted as a minority already

>he thinks catholics are christians

You know when I go to the darkest pits of the internet and still get banned for posting scripture and verses out of the Bible, things are fucked.

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Christanon 10/13/17 (Fri) 19:51:49 24a59b No.537822

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>>537821

Are you going to explain yourself or

Christanon 10/13/17 (Fri) 19:55:09 5a7f86 No.537824

>>537821

In our loneliness, we still have Jesus Christ our Lord, brother.

Christanon 10/13/17 (Fri) 20:13:38 f44b97 No.537830

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>>537822

Well let's start at the top. The entire world is owned by Satan as stated in Matthew 4:8-10 and the kingdom of heaven passing to the babylonians in 2 kings 24. Next layer down would be governments and nations of the world.

They are completely fucked because most of them are using democratics forms of goverment. This is evil because of the definition of democracy, having no ruler for you are your own ruler. See Judges 17:6 and 1 samuel 15:23 on why rejecting God as your king and doing what is right in your own eyes is evil.

Next would be institutions of the world, but I want to examine the catholic institute since OP was originally calling them out. They are corrupt as a institution because they can't explain 1 samuel 17:51, 2 samuel 21:19, mark 1:2, malachi 3:1, acts 7:45, and deutoronomy 31 and 32 without resorting to a private intepretation which is against what 1 peter 1:20 says.

Next would be individuals. Most are ecclesasties 3:18-21's. The daniel 11:42's have nearly eliminated all 1 corinthians 15:44's of any race via systematic destruction of the past, the dilution of Bible versions by honeypots and fake versions (((they))) created, the drowning of information involving the Bible that leavened, and subversion of Christians who try to congregate and not be leavened by modern (((institutions))).

If you want to start a "church gathering" and advertise it anywhere but by word of mouth you will be infiltrated by cianiggers among the normal (((cuckservatives))) and natsoc nobodies who aren't really christians.

Have any more questions about how fucked things are?