2b71e7 No.528213
Why does God consider it necessary to eternally punish people in a lake of fire if they do not believe that Jesus died for their sins, regardless of how just and righteous they are? Why does God have a need to be worshipped, rather than God simply recognizing and accepting all Good? Why couldn't it be simply that, through the Church, it is much easier to do good and to find God and the chances of survival are much easier, but it doesn't mean it's the only way to be saved. Shoudln't the teleos of Christianity and Jesus, the good actions that are about coming closer to God, be the standard for salvation?
Ever since I was a child this was one of the main obstacles for believing in Christianity. Why the need to be worshipped, why the need to punish those that don't "recognize God's grace" despite doing good or living just?
2b71e7 No.528216
Adding: I think it is directly contradictory. Jesus teaches that it is only the actions that matter, to not show off when you do good, that the right hand should not know what the left hand does. That one should do good for yourself and for the sake of the good in-itself, not for any other reason. Then why does He need people to profess that they do the good for him? The actions aren't judged by themselves after all, they are only "good" or "important" in the sense that they allow you to come closer to God and be saved by his grace.
d58670 No.528234
stick to what jesus is saying in case you are conflicted
dacae3 No.528242
>>528213
>>528216
Read the New Testament, it answers all your questions.
2b71e7 No.528251
>>528234
I'm not a Christian, but I am interested in Christianity
>>528234
What am I missing?
443139 No.528257
Jesus says that good deeds are brought about as a reflection of faith, not used as proof or a currency of faith. Faith in God is paramount in the Christian doctrine, because goodness holds no value of its own without God. Someone void of good works can still enter heaven if they are repentant. Gods mercy makes equal good men and repentant sinners, so deeds hold no substantiation. This is why trust and knowledge in Jesus, his death, resurrection, and teaching is necessary for salvation, we will never be righteous enough for God on our own action and so we depend on his forgiveness.
6dd410 No.528285
There is at least one main reason why hell must be eternal. That the pains of hell are eternal is of course part of the faith. Jesus makes that quite clear in numerous places like Matthew 25:41 mark 9:44 etc it's also dogmatically reaffirmed by the Catholic Church even though people know that it's taught in the Bible many are still deeply disturbed by the consideration of this mind-boggling truth they wonder how such an unimaginable punishment could be just. In response many will bring up the idea that an offense against infinite majesty God deserves an infinite punishment that is of course a valid point however I would like to consider this issue from another angle.
The following is my opinion on why it makes perfect sense that the pains of hell are eternal. The primary reason that hell must be eternal is that the only condition that matters to man is the present condition.
For example, suppose that you live in a frigid area of the world and suppose that you had heat for the last ten years but this year a catastrophe has struck your area and left you without any heat at all in the depths of winter. You are freezing and shivering so will the fact that you had heat for the last ten years make you happy while you are freezing this winter? no it won't help you at all! All that matters is that you do not have heat this winter. All that matters to you is your present condition in time.
Likewise suppose that you lived without heat for the last ten years but you finally got it this year will the fact that you lived without heat last year and the year before that make you unhappy while you sit comfortably and warmly now? know all that matters is that you have heat now. All that matters is your present condition, the same truth applies to everything including the passing pleasures desired by worldly people.
It must be pointed out that none of these passing pleasures can bring true and lasting happiness for man was created for God and can only be fulfilled in him but the point we're discussing also remains true for those who take pride in their present state of great fame, great beauty or great success. They are not troubled by the fact that they did not possess what they now have but did not have ten or twenty years ago. All that matters to them is that they are famous or successful or wealthy right now.
Now, all that matters to man is the present condition therefore if the pains of hell did end at some point then at that very point the condition of the person would be free of punishment, he would suffer no pain at all. Since the present condition is all that matters to man the end result for that man would be that he would not be punished at all
Thus when it is considered deeply it is true to say that a punishment that is not eternal is in the end actually no real punishment at all for if it ends at any point than the final condition of man which is all that will matter to him is one that is free of punishment. A punishment can only be real if the end result equals punishment not a state of no punishment the only way that the vindictive punishment can have an end result which equals punishment rather than no punishment is by an ongoing present condition of unhappiness.
That's why Hell must be and is eternal.
a9fbf1 No.528292
>>528213
In my opinion. It is not that God punishes us that we are in hell. It is the state of being disconnected from God forever. And since God created everything, when we are separated from God who created everything, we are left in nothing.
On the side note: the demons, for all their deceitfulness, trickery, and treachery; They are unable to create anything or do anything to the creation, they can only subvert and twist the very US in order to affect Gods creation.
>>528285
Good analysis, brother. Well done.
83afef No.528293
>>528213
>regardless of how just and righteous they are?
Aha, but they aren't just and righteous at all!
44c62c No.528299
God created Man in paradise. Man sinned, and God kicked him out into a fallen world. God promises eternal paradise to those who can keep the laws He has given. However, Man simply cannot keep them, because he is fallen. No one, not one of us, is righteous; we all fall short of the glory of God because he demands perfection, because He is perfect, as is the paradise He promises.
Your assumption is that we are naturally good - this is wrong. We are naturally bad because we are fallen, and we all are sentenced to damnation. THAT is why Christ died for us. He offers Himself up to be our substitute, to be our sacrificial lamb. He lived a perfect life and is the only one of us who has earned salvation according to God's perfect standard. Hence, in being our substitute, so too are we able to pass God's perfect standard to be redeemed.
54ee2a No.528301
>>528299
>>528293
So a man who either never heard of God or never became particularly religious, who still strives to lead a good and righteous life, still deserves eternal Torment because he never bent over for Jesus? That's bullshit.
a26033 No.528305
>>528301
>who still strives to lead a good and righteous life
You can't live a good life if you do not know God. You really should read the Bible, sit down and think. Truth begets truth.
83afef No.528309
>>528301
>So a man who either never heard of God or never became particularly religious, who still strives to lead a good and righteous life, still deserves eternal Torment because he never bent over for Jesus? That's bullshit.
Correct, because he never lead a good or righteous life. Do you understand the concept that everyone has done evil, whether it be lying, murder, theft, or something else? Do you understand the concept of God's holiness? We sweep our evils under the carpet, but since God is perfect and holy, and we are evil and profane, there can't be any union here without God's mercy entering in the picture in the form of Jesus Christ's sacrifice.
(part of) Romans 3 in picture
a9fbf1 No.528313
>>528301
Ever wonder why human bend towards worship? I believe, that inside all of us. We desire God because we know that we are damned, will eventually die, and so we seek salvation; But the demons are at work and subverted us, that is why there are a bunch of religions and deities out there. Two thousand years and later, after the good news are spread all over the world; The demons and their servants push the "atheism" meme to erase religion altogether because their peril is imminent and especially right now where anyone who has heard the good news CAN and WILL be saved.
>But atheist can do good, like giving money to charities and stuff. Atheist philanthropist and stuffs.
The story of the wealthy who gave what they comfortably can and the widow who gave the only two coppers she had. That is faith, that is the work of God in the person who believe in Him.
And also this. >>528309
>who still strives to lead a good and righteous life
Le modern society that lies straight faced and call it 'social white lie' and 'putting on masks' and 'etiquettes'.
9b0e06 No.528322
As for why God must be recognized, it's just that God isn't a cuckold. Really, think about it. God's people are constantly compared to his bride. Worshipping anything but Him is equivalent to cheating on Him. So of course God will be mad if you're not worshipping Him. Every person he created was made to be with Him in the first place.
54ee2a No.528415
>>528309
>>528305
>>528313
So you're saying it's impossible to be a good and righteous man without not only having read the bible, but actively worshiping God all the while? You're saying it doesn't matter how good you are or how much good you bring into the world, unless you bend over for Jesus you're spending eternity in torment?
What about all the good men out there who have never even heard of Christianity? There may not be that many today, but in the past 2000 years there's been quite a few. Are they all fucked regardless of whatever actions they take?
64b8b5 No.528421
>>528213
>>528213
>Why does God consider it necessary to eternally punish people in a lake of fire if they do not believe that Jesus died for their sins, regardless of how just and righteous they are?
>Ever since I was a child this was one of the main obstacles for believing in Christianity.
According to Romanides, the theological concept of hell, or eternal damnation is expressed differently within Eastern and Western Christianity.[27] According to John S. Romanides, "the Frankish [i.e. Western] understanding of heaven and hell" is "foreign to the Orthodox tradition".[note 6]
According to Romanides, the Orthodox Church teaches that both Heaven and Hell are being in God's presence,[27][29] which is being with God and seeing God, and that there is no such place as where God is not, nor is Hell taught in the East as separation from God.[29] One expression of the Eastern teaching is that hell and heaven are being in God's presence, as this presence is punishment and paradise depending on the person's spiritual state in that presences.[27][30] For one who hates God, to be in the presence of God eternally would be the gravest suffering.[27][30][30] Aristotle Papanikolaou [31] and Elizabeth H. Prodromou [32] wrote in their book Thinking Through Faith: New Perspectives from Orthodox Christian Scholars that for the Orthodox: Those theological symbols, heaven and hell, are not crudely understood as spatial destinations but rather refer to the experience of God's presence according to two different modes.[33]
The saved and the damned will both experience God's light. However, the saved will experience this light as Heaven, while the damned will experience it as Hell.[30][34][35][36][37][38][39] Theories explicitly identifying Hell with an experience of the divine light may go back as far as Theophanes of Nicea. According to Iōannēs Polemēs, Theophanes believed that, for sinners, "the divine light will be perceived as the punishing fire of hell".[40]
God himself is both heaven and hell, reward and punishment. All men have been created to see God unceasingly in His uncreated glory. Whether God will be for each man heaven or hell, reward or punishment, depends on man's response to God's love and on man's transformation from the state of selfish and self-centered love, to Godlike love which does not seek its own ends.EMPIRICAL THEOLOGY VERSUS SPECULATIVE THEOLOGY by John S. Romanides part 2 [18]
a26033 No.528425
>>528415
Do you think God is only known through a book? You aren't doing what I suggested, which is to sit down and think.
386e8b No.528450
>>528216
>Then why does He need people to profess that they do the good for him?
Because He is the source of all good, and by not properly glorifying God for what He has done through you, you've failed to fulfill the purpose of it. No one has ever been good or just without God as the final source behind it making it possible.
Likewise, God gave us life and keeps us alive. It's not of our own power. Whether you properly recognize that or not, it's still true. And it's not somehow something God owes us, so all the people taking these things for granted right now may one day lose all the things they have been given that they misused such as their life. By ourselves we have no power or life, without our Creator.
>>528415
>What about all the good men out there who have never even heard of Christianity? There may not be that many today, but in the past 2000 years there's been quite a few. Are they all fucked regardless of whatever actions they take?
No, because Jesus himself clearly states that any who seeks the truth will find it. So your unproven hypothetical scenario contradicts the word of God. And as it says in Romans 1:20
>For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
But even if your scenario happened, every person still deserves to lose their life for sinning if they don't receive God's grace. They have sinned. So it would still be justice even in that case, although I don't think it happens like that. I think someone ignorant of the truth of Christianity is someone who chose not to seek the truth, because it is the one universal truth to all created things.
6217d9 No.528453
0b8f21 No.528483
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>528213
Everyone Needs to Pay Attention to This! (2017-2018)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdwNTxICJ0M
b7d26b No.528489
>>528213
I don't know. These are things I wrestle with and since my conversion it has been hard to give thought to having children. I have a stable life and everything but I just don't want to put anyone else on the broad path to hell (regardless of whatever "age of accountability" doctrine might aim to wash my hands of any responsibility). Under these perilous circumstances I can't honestly see life as something worth starting.
2a9596 No.528499
You know an example of a perfect human being, yet you refuse to follow him. Tell me how it doesn't destroy your soul little by little.
57f065 No.528501
5bdc39 No.528509
>>528415
>What about all the good men out there who have never even heard of Christianity?
If the answer to the first question is yes than these men are a fiction
d02478 No.528526
>>528450
So what you are telling me is 100 years after Jesus died a Mayan would be able to learn God's word if he decided he wants to study theology? Remember, he couldn't have decided to learn about Christianity because he couldn't have possibly known it existed. All he could do is, on a whim, decide to learn about different cultures. If he was a peasant, he couldn't even move out of his own village without risking starvation.
I mean really, are you telling me there were no good people that didn't learn christianity? Because that would mean literally everyone who lived in the Americas, Oceania, most of Asia and sub-saharan Africa before the era of colonialism were evil to the core, there was nothing they could have done, eternal punishment for them. Is that what you're saying?
d12cc9 No.528529
>>528301
It's futile arguing this point with Christians because you two have completely different perceptions of humanity. Christians don't think anybody can be good and not Christian even if that's not true.
Fortunately, OP, the Church answered this beyond /Christian/'s authority already. You don't go to heaven, but righteous pagans essentially get hell lite, which isn't paradise but isn't your typical torturous schlock
b7d26b No.528532
>>528526
i think you don't really understand the concept of total depravity. Not even Christians are good except for that they know Christ.
a3e0f1 No.528539
When we trespass against the state, we get state time. When we trespass against the feds, we get federal time. We all have trespassed against The Infinite Authority, we deserve to be condemned to infinite time. Our trespasses against human beings are against what God has created in His image. To murder is, therefore, to symbolically kill God. It is such a heinous sin that the Old Testament called for the perpetrator to be put to death. Genesis 1:26 reads "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." Dignitaries are representatives of a kingdom. To tresspass against a Dignatary is a trespass against the King and His Kingdom. This where human dignity comes from. Even though a lot of mankind fails to be representatives, as we're called to be, that doesn't warrant trespass against them. Dignitaries that fail to accurately represent (glorify their King) will be held accountable.
208f17 No.528546
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>>528526
Your asking them the explain centuries of circles loops and curving arguments all built for one goal. to bring everything back to god. To make sure there is only one answer and if you twist your brain enough, you can embed it it as fact.
208f17 No.528547
>>528546
And i somehow managed to cut out the rest of my own reply regarding the scale of the world all those old theologians were working with.
The point is the indoctrination of gods endlessness is strong. And breaking down the fact that god apparently only ever cared about an incredibly small region of the world is almost impossible.
d02478 No.528553
>>528530
Sorry if my writing isn't great, second language and all. Still, I don't think it's hard to see what my point is.
>>528532
Anon wasn't saying "christians" in name only are saved, he was saying there are no good poeple who aren't christains and that everyone has and always had the ability to learn about Christ. I think those claims are false.
>>528546
>>528547
Yeah this is a problem…
a3e0f1 No.528572
>>528546
What did I just watch?
208f17 No.528577
>>528572
A trippy example of god as a child being given the keys to a simulation and being given advice from someone with much greater experience in its use.
Its part of a series on the guys channel. Episode 5 of 10. I say watch it as an outside looking in kind of existentialism.
386e8b No.528585
>>528526
This isn't about learning cultures, it's about the one truth and the intended order of all things with Christ the savior above all. Again see Romans 1:20. I don't think God accidentally gave us those words. Whatever person is without excuse if they don't accept that.
>>528553
>that everyone has and always had the ability to learn about Christ.
No, only that everyone who seeks the truth has the ability to learn about Christ. I never said anything about people who don't try, there's no guarantees there.
443bf8 No.528633
>>528301
>dude, my limited view of morality is totally more correct than that of the Creator of Everything
t. modernist
1df16e No.528639
>>528285
>>528292
Whilst the first part of your first paragraph is correct the rest does not seem to be rational or justified.
>The primary reason that hell must be eternal is that the only condition that matters to man is the present condition.
Not at all, otherwise hope and faith would not play a role in human affairs nor would there be any delayed gratification. Indeed looking beyond the present situation is one of the defining characteristics of humans and what allowed us to go beyond hunter gatherers. Indeed if only the present condition mattered no one would be Christian.
In both your examples you ignore the real and powerful emotions of hope (that they wont always have to be cold) and regret + thankfulness (that they didnt have to live that way before and now live much better)
> if the pains of hell did end at some point then at that very point the condition of the person would be free of punishment, he would suffer no pain at all. Since the present condition is all that matters to man the end result for that man would be that he would not be punished at all.
Is that why PTSD and emotional trauma do not exist? Do all the children who were molested and emotionally abused suddenly forget go back to being normal the moment they arent immediately being abused?
Experience scars and teaches were it not that way it would be impossible for anyone to ever been reformed by punishment which is manifestly false as otherwise recidivism rates would be %100
>A punishment can only be real if the end result equals punishment not a state of no punishment the only way that the vindictive punishment can have an end result which equals punishment rather than no punishment is by an ongoing present condition of unhappiness.
Are your sure vindictive was the word you were looking for
0e3294 No.528707
Argument here that Socrates is in heaven and with it a discussion of how God judges those who never meet Christ. Worth reading for this thread
https://puu.sh/xHpB0/c5935ed8d4.txt
8242c9 No.528984
8d37d3 No.529069
>>528292
>Good analysis, brother.
No it isn’t. Firstly, it’s not even his analysis; he’s quoting the Most Holy Family Monastery. Those guys are complete wingnuts. Plus, they are completely wrong about man only caring about the present state. If that were so, nobody would plan, save money, go to college, avoid crimes due to possible punishments, and so many other things. Have the meme monastery guys been away from people for so long that they can’t comprehend human motives anymore? So they are starting from a false premise.
Besides, the idea of hell is so odious, that we have to resort to mystifying Gods motives to absurdity. Would a loving parent burn their child to death because the child doesn’t love or obey the parent?
8b52b7 No.534193
6dd410 No.534326
>>528639
You are needlessly nitpicking. Hoping for the future or reminiscing about the past does not change the current condition. If you are bleeding out after getting stabbed by a murderer right now then the fact you were uninjured a few moments ago or that in the future you might be rescued will not under any circumstances change the fact that you are dying right now. That is why the only thing that truly matters is your present condition.
When God sends someone to Hell then he won't spare them hell just because that person could have believed.
8e9eb4 No.534358
>>528213
>Why does God consider it necessary to eternally punish people in a lake of fire if they do not believe that Jesus died for their sins, regardless of how just and righteous they are?
Because Christianity is jewish and the spiritual equivalent of a fractional reserve banking loan you took at birth.
>So, uh, what about paying up your devotion to Yahweh?
<huh? what?
>You know, through me, Jesus, the debt collector. Yahweh has loaned you a complete eradication of sin you acquire at birth
>So, you gotta pay, with interest. You must become very interested in me
<What if I don't do that?
>Well, there's old Thumbscrew Mc Gee, also called Satan, he's in hell. You will join him there to learn about proper soul financial conduct.
>Hava nagila and have a nice day
<wait a minute, you drove out jews from the temple, why are you acting jewish like that?
>Why do banks compete with one another?
>That's why.
>I'm still in the jewish loaning business
>Just because I kicked out some other jews doesn't change that fact
>So, what's it gonna be, debt boy?
(USER WAS GIVEN A LINE OF CREDIT FOR THIS POST) 6e354e No.534362
>>534358
Professing himself to be funny, anon became a retard
>>528421
c1b378 No.534366
God sends people to hell for way less than that, you can believe in christ and accept him as saviour of humanity, but as long as you continue to do sins like watching or drawing cartoons he will send you to painful eternal torture, since God hates in absolutes, and well, since God hates almost everything, it is most likely lots of "innocent" people will end up in hell.
I know I am a reprobate, i wanted to draw cartoons, i can't though since God has been putting obstacles all my life, but i still see them, i also daydream and make up histories, god only approves stories in the Bible.
b113f8 No.534367
>>534358
>Christianity is "Jewish"
>Judaism is a fractional offshoot of Pharisaism and inherently loathes Christ
Nice meme. Despite your salt, God still loves you.
6e354e No.534369
>>534366
Whats is this, the day of retarded edgyness?
>since God hates in absolutes, and well, since God hates almost everything
What a retard one must be to write something like this
c1b378 No.534371
>>534369
Tell me 5 things that aren't related to God or Jesus that God wont hate, he even hates eating for pleasure (taste).
a0d177 No.534372
>Why does God consider it necessary to eternally punish people in a lake of fire if they do not believe that Jesus died for their sins, regardless of how just and righteous they are?
A single sin is enough to put you under God's perfect judgement, and we all sin hundreds if not thousands of times on a daily basis. Our "righteousness" is disgusting to God because it is never selfless and always selfish.
>Why does God have a need to be worshipped, rather than God simply recognizing and accepting all Good?
God has need of nothing, He does as He pleases and what pleases Him, He does. There is no such thing as "all good" or "varying degrees" of good. There is only good, and God is good. If you're not doing it His way, for His purpose and for His pleasure, it's not good. What you are really asking is "Why can't God just accept my wickedness?".
>Ever since I was a child this was one of the main obstacles for believing in Christianity. Why the need to be worshipped, why the need to punish those that don't "recognize God's grace" despite doing good or living just?
Everything belongs to Him, He shares it with us and we give Him literally zero gratitude. That air you're breathing right now? His. The water you drink? His. What do you think keeps your heart pumping or your brain functioning? You didn't actually think you were capable of sustaining your own existence did you? God is who sustains you at this very moment, your very life sits in the palm of His hand and He will do with it as He pleases.
Does this terrify you? It should. God is all-powerful and holy, there is no wickedness or malice in Him: He only ever desires good and does good and yet every day you commit evil in his sight. Does committing evil in the sight of an all-powerful righteous God sound like a plan that will end well for you?
The good news is that God sacrificed His only son, so that those who believe that Jesus Christ is the messiah, the son of the living God will not face His wrath but will instead abide eternally in His presence.
c1b378 No.534389
>>534372
This is something atheists and a lot of Christians have problem with, i would add that even if something seems, harmless, innocent or even inconsequential, but God hates it, it is wicked, sin, Satanic even. Your personal opinion does not matters, God is the absolute, if he hates fucking strawberries and cream, then straw berries and cream is a fucking sin, end of story.
6e354e No.534390
>>534371
He doesnt hate, but wants us be to be better, to be above everyone and everything and to be like Him.
>I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. (Psalm 82:6)
God has set of rules not because he hates some things, but because humans are created to be gods and controlling your carnal senses are at least a minimum requirement for this. You are giving such retarded statements, due to a fact that in your heart, you fell in deceit of modern zeitgeist and consider humans to be nothing more than apes who can make nukes. But reality is that Humans are made in image and likeness of God and one of the prime functions of Man is Domination over Gods creation, including angels, who we shall Judge (have authority over) after resurrection as Paul says. This is a great prestige for our race, but no sane being will entrust his creation wholly to destructive degenerates that can't go over their minimalistic carnal requirements. Thats why "Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
And for the last not, there is a concept of moderation, I hope you know what this means, because since you browse chan websites, I think that you are grown enough to know the meaning of this word. Gaining pleasure is not bad. Being happy is not bad. But when you indulge your self in solely carnal pleasures, that will lost for nearly a century, before your corpse will rot in a coffin, and forget true pleasure of being with God and inheriting entire creation that will lost for eternity, is bad.
6e354e No.534392
>>534390
>that will lost
that will last
c1b378 No.534393
>>534390
There is nothing carnal in daydreaming but Jesus hates the shit out of it.
6e354e No.534395
>>534393
Yes there is, when you go deeper and deeper and loose your grasp to reality. When you live in your fantasy world and forget real universe and real God.
And besides that, you completely forgot moderation part. On some level, dreaming is good, it is creative, you can write a book, create a new idea, but there comes time, when it goes perverted and you lose your grasp of reality and leave your damaged soul without attention.
73c805 No.534402
>>528285
I don't know, but reading this post, I was deeply disturbed. It reminds me of the philosophers that forget the everything else focusing on one thing.
You are getting support now, but you should get out of this insular bubble on /christian/ and tell other people of your opinion.
c1b378 No.534406
>>534395
Then nothing ever would be done, Jesus punished me for watching and drawing cartoons, I haven't drawn anything in years and the last cartoon i saw was almost a year ago, yet i still feel the urge to draw or catch a glimpse of them, I basically just work and go to sleep because Jesus wants to destroy me, recently there was an earthquake in my country and I am terrified i would end up homeless so i must numb all my desires, specially since there is nothing that God hates more than fantasy and cartoons. I don't even want to go heaven, what the hell am i supposed to tho there if everything i like is extremely demonic? it's like I not exist anymore.
6e354e No.534423
>>534406
>Then nothing ever would be done, Jesus punished me for watching and drawing cartoons, I haven't drawn anything in years and the last cartoon i saw was almost a year ago, yet i still feel the urge to draw or catch a glimpse of them,
Now this is the time when I dont get if you are genuinely serious or just shitposting. if former, I would advise you to visit a psychiatrist.
No, God doesnt punish you for drawings and making cartoons. YOU WERE CREATED AS A CREATOR IN HIS OWN IMAGE AND LIKENESS, DAMMIT! Unless you were drawing sodomite hentai, I dont know why in oblivion would you consider drawing sinful. WE HAVE ENTIRE SACRED ART OF DRAWING, ITS CALLED ICONS. And whats up with cartoons, my mentor (or whatever its called in English) watches them too. I dont know what denomination you were, where you were raised in what environment to think that cartoons, drawing and fantasy are sin, but I would advise you to get rid of this degenerate iconoclastic attitude. Founders of fantasy genre were Conservative Christians (Tolkien, C.S. Lewis and so on), most of /tg/ board users on 4chan are Christians, large part of whom are artists and drawers. In fact, create a thread about any theme related to it on /tg/ (like with words including "Heaven", "Hell", "God", "Angels", "Demons" or even "Succubus") and 1 picoseconds wont pass until thread would be filled with Christians.
>I don't even want to go heaven, what the hell am i supposed to tho there if everything i like is extremely demonic?
First of all, drawings and cartoons arent demonic, as I said. Knives arent demonic, you can use it as surgeon to save someone, or kill a guy, like Cain.
As for what to do…oh i don't know…maybe rule entire creation with your brethren and be godlike?
And for the last part, you dont literally "go to heaven". Basically read this >>528421
bdcb76 No.534425
>>534423
>Unless you were drawing sodomite hentai, I dont know why in oblivion would you consider drawing sinful
Even then it's arguable how sinful that would actually be. For instance, I doubt most sane people would call the author of crime novel sinful.
c1b378 No.534433
>>534423
why people always assume it is a shitpost? every preacher knows cartoons are satanic, cartoon characters are demons and their god is Satan.
6e354e No.534439
>>534433
>why people always assume it is a shitpost?
>every preacher knows cartoons are satanic, cartoon characters are demons and their god is Satan.
19bcfb No.534444
>>534406
Why would God hate fantasy? Maybe caring too much about false worlds can distract you from God, but I like to imagine Him being proud of our creativity reflecting his own in a small way.
6e354e No.534446
b16c23 No.534762
>>534444
Archons cannot comprehend creativity and therefore despise it.
(USER WAS HELD IN PLACE FOR THIS POST) 42ae91 No.534824
>>528285
Vain philosophy of men. Hell is eternal because some people will reject God eternally; it's not to fulfill some vague, petty, anthropocentric view of God's justice or glory.
Your position doesn't even make any sense with respect to your church's dogmatically defined doctrine of purgatory. Also, the conclusions one can come to given your premise on only the current state mattering are highly troubling, such as that all civil punishment ought to last until the offending party is not guilty (e.g. life imprisonment for minor crimes). Also, if past states are of no value, why should future states be valued at all either? In your view we ought to live hedonistically, maximizing pleasure in the current moment without regards to past or future.
a6517f No.534839
>>529069
>Besides, the idea of hell is so odious, that we have to resort to mystifying Gods motives to absurdity. Would a loving parent burn their child to death because the child doesn’t love or obey the parent?
I know someone is going to reply to this post talking about how its actually God's love, but I must intervene.
How does this change what is being done? I could not possibly imagine imposing my emotions onto my children if my emotions were somehow able to burn their flesh, forever.
I'm not a consequentialist of any sort, but anyone can see that God would like to avoid this consequence.
6e354e No.534842
>>534839
God Loves you with Infinite Love. You hate him and thus suffer. And you dont ask God not to love you, because God has perfect love, infinite love and there is no one that he hates. If he would, he wouldnt be perfect.
And besides that, he had done enough to avoid hating Him. He incarnated as man and died for us. Afterwards, it is mans choice if he accepts this. Its not his fault that when "light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
a6517f No.534847
>>534842
>Replies about you burning infinitely in heaven comes in anyways
Ouch fuck
c1b378 No.534874
>>534842
How can you love someone when: you hate what he likes, you hate what he does, you hate what he thinks, etc.