>read the greek philosophers>read the patristics, the saints, the bible>monotheistic worldview activated>fine-tuned universe has an intelligent cause>morality becomes coherent, intuitive and easy to justify>relativism, not even once>life has me

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Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 12:18:15 3d2c0b No.524283

>read the greek philosophers

>read the patristics, the saints, the bible

>monotheistic worldview activated

>fine-tuned universe has an intelligent cause

>morality becomes coherent, intuitive and easy to justify

>relativism, not even once

>life has meaning and purpose and it is good

I just had a few conversations with an atheist and an agnostic and I couldn't believe how easy it is to argue the theistic worldview against theirs. It almost feels like cheating.

They borrow so many values from Christianity but when pressed to justify those values they can't without God. And so many of their "freedoms" and "human rights" contain internal contradictions, like how it's okay for a woman to choose her bodily rights over a fetus's because no-reason-at-all.

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 12:21:31 9761fc No.524284

>>524283

this so much. Imagine what a country would be like with out Christianity. Atheist are just 30 yearold virgins who lives in their moms basements

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 13:15:00 e3b614 No.524309

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>like how it's okay for a woman to choose her bodily rights over a fetus's because no-reason-at-all

Pretty easy:

sentient person with a brain > non-sentient non-person without a brain

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 13:21:07 725f34 No.524315

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>>524309

>sentient person with a brain > non-sentient non-person without a brain

Why?

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 13:27:20 b9f809 No.524319

>>524283

I hope you read your Scholastics.

Now begin with the moderns. Descartes. Hume. Kant. Spinoza. Schopenhauer. Nietzsche.

Too scared? Little theist….

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 13:34:36 3d2c0b No.524323

>>524319

Everyone starts with those now. They aren't edgy or interesting anymore.

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 13:36:50 9761fc No.524324

>>524319

>didnt even mention thomas

fucking pleb atheist get on my level of true darkness

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 13:37:22 b9f809 No.524326

>>524323

They're not meant to be edgy. Sorry anon but not everyone reads to add tokens to their self-image. I'm trying to encourage you to read more and more - especially important philosophers, and even moreso important philosophers that you or I disagree with. Don't get complacent. Just because your normie friend doesn't know what he's talking about doesn't mean all non-Christian philosophy is so easily dismissed.

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 13:45:40 3d2c0b No.524334

>>524326

Again, everyone has dabbled with atheism has read those.

They are the default now.

Nothing they say will feel profound or interesting to the modern person since the atheistic/nihilistic/relativistic worldview is the default setting for modern people.

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 13:47:12 3d2c0b No.524335

>>524319

>doesn't mention Hegel or Kierkegaard

Disgusting

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 13:56:27 b9f809 No.524341

>>524334

>Again, everyone has dabbled with atheism has read those.

What? No. You give people too much credit - only, I think, to dampen the credit of the philosophers I mentioned. That is like saying that every edgy teenager and college student who has dabbled in Communism has read Marx, when at most they've probably only read the Communist Manifesto.

You make a mistake assuming all, or most of those philosophers are simply atheistic/nihilistic/relativistic. Was Descartes? Was Kant? Their ideas and objections to old philosophical dogmas are important beyond magnitude. You act like they were part of some cynical plan to dismantle Christianity, rather than good faith, sincere questioning and truth-seeking.

Both Augustine Aquinas read and engaged with the intellectual opponents of their times. We are in a great position of responsibility ourselves.

>>524335

I'm tired and I didn't want to go on listing everyone. Some 20th century philosophers like Heidegger or Wittgenstein would've been nice. /christian/ doesn't give secular philosophy enough credit.

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 14:02:42 9761fc No.524343

>>524341

>dont know thomas

saged your opinions, your reddit spacing revealed you

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 14:04:43 b9f809 No.524345

>>524343

>paragraphs are reddit spacing

Tell me about Thomas.

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 14:06:16 9761fc No.524348

>>524345

get gud kid im not talking about aquinas strangely they are the opposite i just realized that now

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 14:07:33 b9f809 No.524349

>>524348

Do you mean my boy Hobbes?

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 14:11:33 9761fc No.524351

>>524349

tch what a pleb

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 14:55:09 7e5203 No.524369

>>524341

it's because reductionist materialism has superseded all secular philosophies

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 15:13:28 363460 No.524380

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>>524309

Are you saying women have no brain?

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 16:52:12 fd5158 No.524414

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>>524283

IT'S JUST A CLUSTER OF CELLS

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 17:14:35 4e7eca No.524425

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>>524319

>not starting with the Greeks

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 18:10:32 8d6b9d No.524473

>>524319

wew sure is brainlet in here today

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 18:24:22 fb214c No.524489

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>>524319

>Descartes. Hume. Kant. Spinoza. Schopenhauer. Nietzsche.

You might as well have listed the Amazing Atheist along with the other middle school tier philosophers.

Christanon 09/16/17 (Sat) 20:09:49 3b584b No.524563

>>524319

Nietzsche < Descartes < Kant < Hobbes < Plato < Aristotle < Aquinas

Christanon 10/03/17 (Tue) 00:33:02 ea3d20 No.533388

>>524309

So non-sentient people have less of a rite to live than sentient?

What about disabled people with lesser brain function?

If you fell into a coma and lost sentience would I be allowed to kill you?

Christanon 10/03/17 (Tue) 00:33:22 ea3d20 No.533389

>>533388

*right to live

Christanon 10/03/17 (Tue) 00:35:12 b37df3 No.533391

>>524283

>it's okay for a woman to choose her bodily rights over a fetus's because no-reason-at-all.

It's pretty much literally because a woman can conceive of the idea of shoving a dildo up her butt but the fetus can't. Liberalism is about collaborative sinning, the innocent don't help in that process so fuck them.

Christanon 10/03/17 (Tue) 04:54:27 1fffca No.533489

>>524309

It's not life for a life, so the comparison is a categorical error (notwithstanding your being wrong about only one of them being a person). It's usually the convenience of a person vs the right to life of the other.

Christanon 10/03/17 (Tue) 09:09:35 37c2cc No.533538

>>524309

Why does being sentient matter?

Christanon 10/03/17 (Tue) 09:35:49 03e5f1 No.533539

>>524414

You're just a cluster of cells. May I produce the same results for the reasons of abortion, only with you?

Christanon 10/03/17 (Tue) 09:53:06 660292 No.533540

Which greek philosophers in particular?

Which works of athiesm did you deal with?

Christanon 10/03/17 (Tue) 10:09:08 846269 No.533542

>>524563

>Aristotle over Plato