/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

If the gods are real, then all humans who observe their power should be able to believe in them.

If the gods are false, and only exist within one culture as mythology, then it doesn't really matter.

God we get the dumbest fucking questions on this board….

Are Africans who come out albino white?

No?

Alright then, you have your answer retard

>>12097

>designer babies

Did you even read the question you fucking retard? The whole point of designer babies is that they're not beholden to their ancestry because they can be genetically whatever the parents deigned them to be. Why the fuck would the parents make their kids albinos when they can make their kids genetically similar to an average European,regardless of their actual ancestry.

>>12098

Do they genetically descend from the germanic tribes, or any aryan cultural group? No

Alright then you have your answer retard

>>12099

But that wasn't the argument you were making, you were arguing over their genetics not their direct ancestry.

>Do they genetically descend from the germanic tribes, or any aryan cultural group?

Like I said the child would not be beholden to their ancestry in terms of their genetic makeup. They would be as genetically similar to any European from Iberian to Norse despite what their actual parents are.

>>12099

Then put the argument in reverse. What if a child of pure-blooded Germanics was designed to look sub-Saharan, and let's say it was done without the parents' knowledge or consent, with their parenthood unquestionable. What then?

>>12098

Designer baby are very involved mongrels, but still mongrels, even with 2 white parents.

The line is dead.

>>12095

Depends on the donor.

It is impossible to 'make' a baby from scratch with random parts of DNA. They take DNA from a donor and then they start working on it, cutting out inherited disease from the donor, lowering disposition towards certain sorts of cancer, making him/her a bit smarter, stronger and so on.

It is a "ship of Theseus" style debate.

If the donor is germanic, the changes are made as they express themselves in germanic diversity (as they are found in other germanic peoples, and the child is raised in a germanic culture, then he/she is one of us.

The idea of designer babies is not make people from scratch. It is taking ones ancestry and making it better.

See it as the tuning of a car. Are those parts the same as the originals? No, but the car is still a [Insert car design].

But that's just my two cents. If someone more versed in lore says something else, listen to that.

>>12166

This makes sense.

Are half breeds or mutts able to worship our gods? They may be half Germanic, and share at least half their ancestors with us, but no, their parents spat on their ancestors and created shit. Mixing the recipes for apple pie and carrot cake together doesn't get you anything good, they're both still deserts but yet the new desert isn't a pie or a cake. Same thing for making a nigger that looks European, his brain and mannerisms will not be European, his looks will still hold negroid features, but yet he could be at a glance thought to be European, due to look alone.

Also as this anon >>12166 said: genetic engineering cant make a European from two Africans. You can only hide, or downplay genes while promoting others that are available from the "parents". You couldn't genetically engineer a German Shepard from two Huskies.

>>12175

Haha, appreciated. Still, it's a hypothetical scenario we're exploring, which makes me consider…

>>12166

>It is impossible to 'make' a baby from scratch

Is that fundamentally true, or just by our current technological limits? It raises the interesting question: Would a baby made from scratch, just synthesising and placing sequences of DNA until you had an zygote with identical genetics to me, be my twin brother? Would it be descended from my parents? It doesn't have to be an identical zygote, you could scratch-build a synthetic copy of a sperm cell chosen at random from my father, and an ovum from my mother, and resultantly have a unique child bearing the same question. I think it's a worthy consideration.

In your example, though, as you say, it's a tricky matter. Taking a zygote or a gamete from an individual and changing it just a little to stop a resultant child from having a disease is one thing, and seems noble, but we have a responsibility to be careful and someone has to judge what is acceptable deviation from how precisely "nature intended" the child to be, and what is making a different child.

>>12221

Should have included it in the same post, but consider also this shit:

www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09/unanswered-questions-surround-baby-born-three-parents

Even if the three parents are all racially compatible, is this baby acceptable or an abomination?

>>12221

As far as I know, it is a current technological limit, but one that will exist for a long time. If we are capable of reading out the entirety of the human gnome, know what each letter DNA means in its spot, we will eventually be capable of making something from scratch. It would be difficult, but not impossible. If the genes are identical to yours, it'd just be a twin.

You are right about "as nature intended" and how we modify our children. And for all the clickbait around designer babies, there hasn't beeen one yet. The closest thing is the cloned sheep, but that one had a few problems iirc (infertile,…)

To be honest, it is uncharted territory for science. And with how (((subverted))) science is today, I would not trust it as it is right now. Maybe in the future it will be different, but the future is yet to be made.

>>12222

Three parents for a single child is an abomination. Nature has clear intent in that respect. Almost all species are sexually dimorphic, not trimorphic.

Designer babies are a thing of tomorrow, and we should look at how we survive today as a race.