No.82290
For me, it's Parasyte's manga and mostly faithful anime adaptation, people like to say that it's yet another "humans bad, nature good" shlock, but it really isn't. Multiple times it's shown through the manga that humans are nothing more but animals in the foodchain. That we should value our existence over animals while doing what best we can with the resources this planet provides. The fucking author even makes the mc say he doesn't care about coexisting with the parasites he just wants to survive and fuck his gf. The MC does not cuck down to the parasytes wanting to coexist with the humans anymore and pretty much fucks over the "peace treaty" the parasytes were about to offer humanity.
How anyone can get an "enviromentalist" message from this is beyond me, it's very clear pro humanity first.
No.82292
>>82290
>How anyone can get an "enviromentalist" message from this is beyond me
I don't want to invalidade your arguments OP, but the author has no one to blame but himself, as he fucked himself over with the way he ended it. Laying down hints that it doesn't have an enviromentalist but then throwing it all out the window in the end is a bad way to deliver a subtle message.
No.82294
How could Parasytes even coexist with humans if they eat innocent people? If they ate prisoners or bad people in general than sure but not some family.
No.82299
>>82292
Haha what? Even in the end of the manga he has the MC rescue his gf from a psychopath who figured out he's a parasyte human hybrid. But in this stage he has decided that he too is part of the food chain, and that he'll try to live his life as yet another creature within it. Often times when I talk to people about how this manga/anime is NOT environmentalist, all they can do is bring up the eponymous University lecture on altruism given before
the Milf Parasyte dies.
But honestly if anything that is a VERY huge turning point in the manga, because it shows that Parasytes and humans just aren't compatible enough. Even when a maternal instinct fueled by altruism shows up, their imperative is still to consume and multiply via spores and infecting other organisms. In fact this is what led to Reiko telling Gouto to finish the meal plan as a "compromise" with mankind and a way to infiltrate hummanity.
No.82300
>>82294
Their idea of coexistence was basically infiltrate human politics, trick humans into believing parasytes are superior and the next step of evolution, then use them as cattle to multiply and feed themselves. In their eyes it's a "win-win" scenario, humans get to live, and hey get to reap the benefits of humans being alive.
No.82315
Couldn't get past it over the constant running and running. Seriously? wtf
No.82320
>>82300
Based on a real story, fam.
No.82325
>>82299
>>82290
>people like to say that it's yet another "humans bad, nature good" shlock
Where does that message even crop up and how can one even reach the conclusion?
I just remember most of the series being about the MC eventually trying to retain his "humanity" as he became more dependent on the parasite.
No.82335
>>82325
>how can one even reach the conclusion
Aside from the "muh altruism" speech there's a few moments where the author shits on humans a bit.
>we pollute the environment
>we treat other animals badly
>Milf parasyte's altruistic death for the human baby
>literally poisonous shit dumped on to the environment poisons the big bad
>the whole human bullies arc
But ultimately the author multiple times make sure to beat the reader over the head with messages similar to this panel.
No.82338
>>82320
dohoohohoo
Took me a while to get it, silly anon!
No.82384
No.82385
>>82299
I get that he made a case for both sides. I got the message that humans are just as part of nature as any other animal. But I remember they literally say something like "the parasites are not aliens, but were created by the earth as a self-defense mechanism" or something. Sadly it has been too long, and I don't remember the scene exactly, but I think it was Migi who provided the explanation.
If that's not a heavy handed way to kill any open interpretation to your story I don't know what is.
As a side joke/analogy: Imagine if in The Thing's final scene the black guy stood up and shouted "I'M THE MONSTER" and then the movie ends abruptly. You could make post-movie discussions as to why maybe he ISN'T a monster and maybe he was just hallucinating and present evidences A, B, and C or whatever. But going up and blatantly stating one of the alternatives like a mouthpiece is a big drawback to teh story. Just like coming up and sayin "earth is fighting back agains humans" sort of ruined it for me.
No.82389
The Big O was a pretty clear story of a factory/training center left standing in a world wiped out by nuclear war. In it the androids designed to maintain and pilot the mechs of the war live the same lives on repeat because 'everyone lost their memories 40 years ago' and remain paranoid about an ambiguous 'foreign enemy' because they are functional but their programming is stuck in a loop. The crux of the story is this changes when the more organic looking androids start to fall apart psychologically -probably as they attain something close to real humanity- and in the process one creates a second generation android, a more simplistic and robotic character, that can intergrate with the mechs and this kick starts an arms race as people race to get the power of these 'megadeus' for themselves 'to defend agianst foreign invaders' not knowing its all their programming until near the end 'memories' start to return.
Its basically an anime take on dark city and the idea that if you left an automated, humaoid workforce running on a loop after humanities extinction then eventually like 1000 monkeys eventually writing shakespeare sentience might reveal itself leading to conflict and bloodshed as one of the defining factors of life and its struggle.
plens: BUT WHAT IF ITS DA MATRIX AND ALSO A SEQUEL TO BATMAN????? XDDDDDDDD
No.82390
>>82389
The 2deep4u mystery killed the Big O. It was at most enough for a two parter; stretching it so thin, for nonexistent payoff, killed pacing and humor which were spectacular in S1.
How to ruin a series 101.
No.82391
>>82390
They had payoff though. The episode where the policeman is chasing a red balloon and a woman as events from his childhood repeat thinking he's going crazy but its ready just because another of his model was put out early. The only thing we never got was where the none 'tomato' androids where being constructed, but i guess 'somewhere in the layer cake of factorums going for miles into the earth below the domed 'city' stage' was all we needed.
No.82406
>>82389
The thousand monkeys idiom is a comment on randomization not evolution. I will admit though I am a dumbass that originally watched Big O as a Batmans sequel.
No.82415
>>82385
>the thing
Mein Neger. Tangentially related to your post and also to the OP: in 2011 some pretentious faggot wrote and published a version of the original novel but from the point of view of the alien. It basically condemns humans for being humans and receiving the supposedly well-meaning alien "ambassador" with hostility.
No.82455
>>82385
>If that's not a heavy handed way to kill any open interpretation to your story I don't know what is.
That was like in the middle of the manga/anime when Migi was still an edgelord drunk on "knowledge" and affecting Shinichi's way of thinking. Later on though it's Migi who starts affecting Shinichi and keeping him more grounded into reality and the natural order of things. Also I reread the scene where the Milf Parasyte dies this scene happens. So yeah, parasytes aren't really 100% natural, but technically still competition within the food chain regardless.
Excuse
>>>>>>mangareader
but I ain't gonna download this shit again and dig through it just for one thread.
No.82456
>>82335
>literally poisonous shit dumped on to the environment poisons the big bad
If there is one complaint I have about Parasyte it was this mildly lazy conclusion to the climax. Environmentalism is pretty clearly a theme, and there's nothing wrong with that.
No.82457
>>82415
I find it hilarious but disturbing that if we were to see some sort of alien infiltration some SJWs would actually side with the fucking ayyy lmaos. Multiple times I've seen people talk about "speciesm" unironically IRL, not just on the internet or shitty e-celebs. It's why I took so much joy with Nu-Doom and the trailer for it's sequel, it's absolutely bonkers how xenophilic some folks really are.
No.82458
I wish I understood Texhnolyze.
No.82460
>>82458
What didn't you understand about it?
No.82461
>>82456
It's a theme, but it's not the crux of the message. The message is that we're part of the environment and do affect it, however we shouldn't be so full of ourselves that we think we're above it, or the food chain. Ultimately until we take off to the stars, we're subject to the rules of this planet's ecosystem and we have to do what it takes to survive or die for a tree like a hippy.
Plus while it is a mildly lazy conclusion I love the irony plus meta narrative of it. In
>>82455
it's implied parasites are either a human creation, or byproduct. Much how poisonous shit in the environment is either a blatant creation or byproduct which ends up killing said parasites. It's a huge implication of the great potential humans have and why parasites wanted to subjugate humanity in the first place. Hell it's even said in that same chapter that Parasites can actually thrive without having to consume humans!
Most parasites chose not to however! Before you claim this is an asspull, remember that it's shown multiple times in both anime and manga Reiko is trying and consuming normal human food. This means it's both instincts and an innate jealousy towards human creativity plus emotion that drives their malicious deeds plus machinations against humanity.
No.82475
>>82389
When I was little that episode with the red balloon fucking made me trip the fuck out. It wasn't until the roger smith clones fuckery, plus the fact that the show was a stage being coreographed by Rosewater, that I connected the dots very clearly. Now to be fair I was very young when Big O aired in the US and got it's final season, I was like 8 years old when the first season aired, probably 12 when the second aired. So yeah, it took me quite a while.
What I wonder though is how "organic" the androids are in this show? Obviously the second generation androids like Dorothy are full fledged mechanical. But the wounds Roger takes, and Angel look like those a human, albeit superhuman, would take. So yes, they're clearly not normal humans, but there's clearly more to them than the fleshy exterior lets on. Anyhow, I could probably dig this through the web, but might as well ask here, Big Venus was the Big Deus that was going to erase Paradigm city's memories to make it's populace go through the whole events loop/stage/drama/manga/what have you right?
No.82637
>>82461
So you could say the manga is conflicted about whether humans are average animals or not?
No.82651
>>82637
No the manga is saying that despite humans being at the top of the food chain, we shouldn't grow complacent or too full of ourselves. Because we never know when, or if we will get competition from something in the environment regardless of origin. Again we as a species still rely on this planet and can still fall prey to anything introduced into it's ecosystem.
That small paragraph above really makes me wish the new Jurassic Park films weren't complete fucking garbage. To me that's what those films were striving for, but it's all so poorly fleshed out.
No.82926
>>82460
I don't understand what the hell they were trying to say with that ending. There were a number of plotlines in the series that appear to have amounted to nothing.
No.82942
>>82290
Maybe the manga is different, but in the anime the pacing and storytelling goes to complete shit in the last 3 episodes. In the anime, the protag explicitly says: "maybe the parasites weren't our enemies after all…in a weird way, they were kind of our friends."
Complete cucked faggotry. Again, maybe the manga was different, I haven't read it; but the anime was clearly 'muh coexist with those trying to murder you' garbage.
And an aside, environmentalism isn't bad as such, but it becomes bad when you fall for the marxist version of it, which is that humans unnatural and evil.
No.82967
>>82942
>the marxist version of it, which is that humans unnatural and evil.
Actually, the Marxist version of it is that truly sustainable environmentalism is impossible under an economy dominated by the profit-driven private dictatorships (businesses).
No.82984
>>82967
No, that's not true at all. Marxists view humans and nature as separate and opposed to eachother, rather than the truth that man is part of nature.
The only systems which ever actually protected the environment in practice and not in words only, were Nationalsocialism and Fascism. Both of them are a thousand times more environmentalist than marxism ever was or could ever be.
Gas yourself, leftykike.
No.83014
>>82942
In the mango he means companions in the foodchain. In fact this was done on purpose since it's after his GF points out that crime has been on the rise. Depending on whether or not the dialogue was "fixed" for the anime or not, that could have very well altered the message significantly. There is some level of cuckoldry involved though I will admit. Now that I take a second glance, the MC doesn't want to exterminate the things yet, despite them still committing crimes.
No.83019
>>82942
>the marxist version of it, which is that humans unnatural and evil.
rofl, so Marxists = Protestants now
The lunacy never ends with you guys.
No.83030
No.83038
the point of the parasites was to keep humans in check from killing everything; in the end humans were the better parasite and tamed the parasites by getting them to adopt a human lifestyle (it was easier for them to coexist than to continue killing humans)
No.83088
>>82651
>Because we never know when, or if we will get competition from something in the environment
Some super disease is the only realistic threat in the foreseeable future though. ATM not even our closest relatives and third smartest species after dolphins, the niggers, seem as potential competition.
No.83365
>>82967
>>83019
Hey buddy, I think you've got the wrong door, M/a/rxism is two blocks down.
>>83088 (checked)
I dread the day the octopodes evolve to be able to live on land.
No.91184
Parasyte was edgy garbage
No.91186
>>91184
It had a pretty good concept for an acton anime/manga. But when trying to give some deeper meaning to it's story it fumbled a bit or a lot, depends on who you ask
No.91207
>>91184
>edgy
Not at all, it really wasn't presenting anything new or revolutionary at the time, stop misusing the word on things just because you're a soyboy who hates gore.
No.91234
>>91184
The nu-anime maybe.The manga wasn't any edgier than its contemporaries, especially considering its starting year (1988). Up until around the early 90s, the majority of manga were extremely graphic in its presentation of sex and violence; if anything Parasyte's depiction of its monsters and deaths were sort of darkly humorous.
No.91285
But what about the doujins?
No.91367
>>82457
> if we were to see some sort of alien infiltration some SJWs would actually side with the fucking ayyy lmaos
Thats the vibe I've always had about people who say they put intelligence over race, does that mean they'll take a probe up the ass and let aliens migrate in?
No.91400
>>83365
>octopedes
Corvidae are a bigger threat, they're already building low level tribal societies liek humans were. Complete with their own dialects, histories, and passage of word of mouth mythos. Things will get so fucking weird once one of them develop fact recording systems of sorts. Hell Ravens are beginning to integrate body gestures into their "language" or whatever the fuck you want to call their cawing.
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/article/study-ravens-communicate-better-most-animal-kingdom/2011/11/30/
Gas the Apes we Family war now?
No.91431
>>91367
>does that mean they'll take a probe up the ass and let aliens migrate in?
Isn't that literally what is currently happening in the UK and Sweden?
No.91433
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>>91400
This, plus cephalopods can't soil your windshield yet.
No.91435
>>82967
Stalin practically cleared half the Siberian taiga, you pinko nigger.
No.91436
>>91400
Birbs are great. I hope they build weapons of mass destruction and exterminate humanity and then build a space raven empire, make anime real and rule the universe with an iron wing.