No.100595
>discuss ghibli films and scores
>be comfy
>be nice
>please no arguing about superiority or dumb tier listing/ranking
I watched Castle in the Sky yesterday. I guess it had been a long time since I saw it because I almost completely misremembered it. Loved the steampunk aethetic and how it conflicted with the overtaken-by-nature castle.
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No.100599
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No.100601
>>100595
I still have to watch The Witches Flower or whatever it's called, I hope it's at least good as Arrietty. Which I loved despite the limitations.
Also, why can't we have a Nausicaa series covering the entire manga?
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No.100605
>>100601
>Also, why can't we have a Nausicaa series covering the entire manga?
Literally came here to say that. Only finished reading the manga a month ago and upon rewatch the film has gone from my favourite Ghibli film to a 4/10.
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No.100606
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>>100599
His political views are dumb, but his movies are still pretty comfy.
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No.100611
>>100595
I found out he was a pacifist, right before I rewatched Howl's recently. Kind of spoiled the movie for me, because I didn't get an anti-war feeling from it originally. I got a "fuck you guys I wanna flake off in my moving castle and sulk about girls" feeling. I think Miyazaki is very childish and this is why he makes kids movies.
Spirited Away is mainly interesting if you're new to anime and aren't at least somewhat familiar with nip culture. The kami and their social structure of the baths is a kind of culture shock which really drew me in when I was a teenager. Akira is the same.
Witch's Delivery Service has an excellent setting but it's too long for what little story is conveyed. It's like it sets up a very interesting cast of characters and situation and then abruptly ends without much achieved or resolved.
I remember I watched Laputa when I was very young in the '90s and it made such an impression I remembered it years later. I'd been used to shitty disney cartoons previously and it was a big departure from that. Mononoke too, but I don't remember that very well.
Marnie and Kaguya aren't bad, but they aren't very memorable either.
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No.100615
>>100611
Howl's Moving Castle is probably my least favourite of his films, it rocks along okay for a while but then he makes up this war thing that's not in the original book to get his pacifist bullshit across. Also he didn't direct Marnie or Kaguya.
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No.100642
>>100615
Yeah, Kaguya was Takahata.
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No.100661
>>100611
>100 million dead innocents in one century due to his ideology
>pacifist
This is what liberals actually think.
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No.100682
>we have a Miyazaki thread and a Ghibli thread
Calling it now: unless people actually start talking about Isao Takahata and the clusterfuck that is Earthsea this will just turn into a retread of the Miyazaki thread.
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No.100684
>>100611
>Witch's Delivery Service has an excellent setting but it's too long for what little story is conveyed. It's like it sets up a very interesting cast of characters and situation and then abruptly ends without much achieved or resolved.
I thought the same thing. I'm hardly picky about anime, especially when the art it good, but when I realized how insipid it was I skipped around and sure enough, fuckall happens so I dropped it because I'm not going to be blueballed like that. They could have done so much, but it feels like a very deliberate decision on their part not to do anything at all. It was a failed experiment essentially.
Howl's moving castle was overall good, but the ending pissed me off and basically ruined the movie. That queen just randomly up and decides to just stop the war (which was never fucking explained). Was firebombing population centers just a hobby of her and some buddies? What the actual fuck. I'm sure miyazaki was trying to vomit up his half baked philosophy again.
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No.100688
>>100684
>but when I realized how insipid it was I skipped around and sure enough, fuckall happens so I dropped it because I'm not going to be blueballed like that
Peak burgerfat. You missed out on a lot of good shit.
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No.100692
>>100684
>>100688
But, that's the problem with ALL Ghibli shit. The films look damn near beautiful, but THEY HAVE NOTHING ELSE in terms of substance. Their last good film was Castle in the Sky.
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No.100695
>>100692
>Kiki's Delivery Service
>Only Yesterday
>Pom Poko
>no substance
If you expect everything to be some big, bombastic adventure, sure, but by those standards most /film/core has no substance either.
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No.100706
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No.100726
>>100695
>If you expect everything to be some big, bombastic adventure
I don't. It's just that Miyazaki can't write for shit unless he's expressing his /k/ autism.
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No.100736
>>100611
>Witch's Delivery Service has an excellent setting but it's too long for what little story is conveyed. It's like it sets up a very interesting cast of characters and situation and then abruptly ends without much achieved or resolved.
>>100684
I don't know if you guys have watched much japanese drama (like live action) but so much of it has sort of similar criticisms by westerners. I guess the argument for it is that it avoids melodrama and the overly grand story arcs that happen so much it loses a human elements in western movies. A great example that I'm thinking of off the top of my head is After the Storm. It's about a divorced father who's trying to be a good father and get his wife back but he's also a gambling addict and kind of a bum. There's some character development but it's really just a story that could happen to a thousand people every day, no clear resolution, things are pretty much the same at the end as the beginning. Movies like that are more common in japan but aside from some indie movies generally not a thing in the west.
Kind of an aside that's not directly a response to what you said but still sort of relevant to the what I was thinking. I think when fantasy and scifi began being classified just as "genre fiction" in the west it divorced things with fantasy elements from literature (for the most part) and then we had a few decades of sff getting kind of inbred and retarded with new ideas and talented writers being kind of limited, and it very much stuck to the Tolkien or DND structures (less so very recently). But to me there's no reason that slice of life fantasy should be bad, it should be able to convey the same human experiences of slice of life and the worldbuilding of fantasy, which are both things I like. I'd like to see it attempted, and ultimately done well, more often in the west.
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No.100755
>>100736
Interesting, so it's basically a genre. That's definitely a better explanation than I've seen before. Still not a fan, at best it's boring as hell, and at worst frustrating anti-entertainment. Like a dream were you can't run.
As to your other point, I agree there doesn't always need to be yet another attempt at some grand story. The big thing with slice of life stories is they are carried by curiosity, humor and teaching by example.
It's like the difference between drawing a guy chopping wood, weaving a fence with hazel branches, or planting a garden, and drawing a guy in order to teach the audience to do those same things. Only one of those will actually be interesting, because the details and presentation are very important. People perk up when they think they can learn from someone else.
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No.100777
>>100611
>my list of grievances against every single ghibli movie
Is this a millennial power fantasy? I just have one question for you, anon: where you crying and feeling empowered as you type this.
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No.100794
>>100755
Here's the thing: stuff happens in Kiki's Delivery Service but since you skipped around like an impatient idiot you both missed the important parts and the context to understand them. Maybe you'd like the spoonfeedy American dub better which slapped a bunch of extra jokes and music over the film to make it more burger-friendly and less depressing.
Really though, if you can't even make it through Kiki's Delivery Service you've basically doomed yourself to a life of watching entry-level action anime and Hollywood trash.
>>100777
Learn English, faggot.
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No.100814
I like how half this thread is people who have obviously allowed their political autism to cloud their enjoyment of otherwise very good anime.
It's really not much different to tumblrinas turning every discussion of entertainment into a discussion about how racist/sexist/white the author is. It's fucking tedious.
Also, "not much happens" isn't a useful criticism. Kiki's Delivery Service is positively action-packed compared to most SoL anime. For instance Non Non Biyori is a masterpiece despite the lack of action.
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No.100829
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No.101076
>>100814
>I like how half this thread is people who have obviously allowed their political autism to cloud their enjoyment of otherwise very good anime.
That's been a pretty significant problem on the whole site for at least like 3 years now.
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No.101086
>>100599
None of the Ghibli movies are good, even the ones without his name on there. He's not a scapegoat.
I mean I don't know why anyone expects something different. The movies make a lot of money and that's why they're as sterile as they are. I'd compare them to those early Disney animated movies but to be honest Dumbo is a fucking masterpiece that actually utilizes animation as an art instead of trying to replicate real life or sexualize young girls. I love those dream sequences in Winnie the Pooh and Dumbo.
But who cares. Nobody here cares about good movies. You just want to make fun of a guy's intellect because you can't break down how terrible his movies are without resorting to ad hominem. Admit it. Stop talking about a name or what he may or may not have done and start actually talking about the movies. This goes for all of you folks. If you can't even bother to read the OP and follow its instructions how can you ever expect people to consider you someone that knows his shit?
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No.101088
>>101086
>he says, his post containing next to nothing about ghibli's movies
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No.101091
>>101088
Next to nothing =/= nothing
So I'm not sure what your problem is. I think I've said plenty already. Where's the issue?
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No.101096
>>101091
All you've said is that you think they're sterile. That's a broad generalization that ultimately says nothing. Do you have any actual criticisms?
I half expect you to start ranting about "unix braindamage."
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No.101100
Maybe if you read my entire comment you'd get a better grasp of what was said, and meant. Instead you just want to post a one-liner and a reaction image because writing down something interesting is something you literally can't.
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No.101110
>>101086
>>101100
>Only Yesterday
>Pom Poko
>sterile
Spotted the shitter who's saw a couple Miyazaki/nuGhibli films and think he's seen them all.
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No.101111
>>101100
So you have no actual criticism to offer? I can't speak for the other anons, but I'm genuinely interested in your opinions, I just am not convinced you actually have any.
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No.101124
>>101110
I didn't claim that at all. Why not actually respond to the contents of my posts instead of some buzzword one-liner? I have no desire to see another bland sterile Ghibli movie for kids and their mothers. But I assume you're unable to actually comprehend good movies when you're unwilling to comprehend my posts and unable to actually respond to anything I say without your bias fallacies. Truly please just respond to the things I've actually said. I already explained to you why I do not like Ghibli movies. Even their most outrageous attempt does nothing for me. I can understand you name Pom Poko. But Only Yesterday is really your second choice? You ran out after one example yet bothered to name a second one. Is the best Ghibli movie in your eyes really a naruto knock-off for furries? I simply do not like how the characters act. They are all so stiff and the propaganda is so blatant it's like the movie is a literal child telling me what to think without himself understanding the meaning of the words or offering even a remotely interesting viewpoint on the subject matter. I did not claim I saw every Ghibli movie out there. They're just boring from a movie perspective for the lack of a better term. They've got boring framing, boring characters with boring dialouge and just overall unimpressive visuals. I'm talking purely Pom Poko here because Only Yesterday is literally a movie that could've worked as a live action and it would be better to boot.
Now this is all just my opinion mind you. I've explained exactly what I disliked about Ghibli movies (yes, all of them) in my initial post already. If there's anything you don't get I'll try my best to make sense of it but don't read things that aren't there. I like it when animation actually tries to be animation. Ghibli tries its hardest to be as bland and sterile as possible and that simply does not entertain me. I am not impressed by their animation. I am not impressed by their voice acting. I am not impressed by their framing (because there isn't any). What do you want me to say? I feel nothing when I look at Ghibli movies. Literally nothing. I'm not invested in the characters. It doesn't make me laugh. Have I made myself clear enough?
https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/05adab5d8893ca6fc470fd58ef9cc52b.mp4 is something that is interesting even without sound or context. I probably haven't even seen the movie it came from but it is also something that, even Pom Poko, lacks.
>>101111
>>101096
>you're criticism doesn't count because it's too broad
>you have no real criticism to offer
Just because you can't refute it doesn't mean it isn't real.
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No.101127
>>101124
>Why not actually respond to the contents of my posts instead of some buzzword one-liner?
Because your dull word salad posts with remarks like "a naruto knock-off for furries" don't deserve anything better. If you like Winnie the Pooh webms so much, why don't you fuck off to >>>/co/ and watch that instead?
I have shown (you) pity and give you three sentences, and if you know what's good for you, you won't give me a reason to give you any more.
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No.101145
>word salad
more one liners I see. I'm sorry I correctly guessed you literally could not write something down in >>>101100 my earlier post. I just feel sad for you.
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No.101172
>>101124
The webm is just great. You can literally tell exactly what's going on without sound. You can even tell the rabbit sarcastically replies to an eager tiger at one point and then he does a little nod. It's fucking great and you will never see anything like it in a single damn Ghibli movie. Shame sakugabooru doesn't allow sound.
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No.101178
>>101086
>You just want to make fun of a guy's intellect because you can't break down how terrible his movies are without resorting to ad hominem.
I can break down why Miyazaki's films are shit in a very easy manner: They are all nothing but remakes of the works he made prior to '84, except with slight detail changes.
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No.101179
>>101145
Alright, if (you) + text is what you want I'll spoonfeed you.
You'd be right if you called Disney sterile, but you fucked up horribly and specified early Disney. Early Disney (which ended sometime in the early to mid 40s) was their most creative period, where they constantly experimented with new ideas and techniques and where their most interesting artists thrived. Most of that experimentation stopped after Bambi, leaving Disney with a safe formula for their animators to jerk off in without fear of dreaded things like subtlety creeping into their work.
The Disney animation philosophy is that if it isn't moving, it's dead. This leads to animators wanking over exaggerated movements, making empty displays of budget and draftsmanship to hide the weak direction and spoonfeed you exactly what simple thought and emotion the caricature is feeling right now. You'll find a couple exceptions here and there, but that's because Disney is so huge and their filmography large enough that someone's bound to get something right eventually.
And now we come to Ghibli, the other overrated animation studio. Ghibli has two huge advantages over Disney: they have actual direction and, like most anime, aren't afraid of stillness. So what's wrong with them? It's complicated, but most important are the awful western fanbase and the director problems. You either get Hayao Miyazaki with all his quirks and janky pacing, Takahata doing his own weird thing, Goro being a fucking idiot, or some other guy playing it way too safe. The animators don't have the desire or the budget to jerk off like Disney's either so they won't carry a not-so-great or crappy movie through sakugafaggotry the way a big budget western studio will.
Here's the thing: Ghibli makes actual movies (some more distinctive than others) while Disney waters down and bastardizes classic stories for GIFbait and shekels. They're very different studios which screw differently, and the one thing they share in common is being famous but overrated animation studios with highs and lows. Me, I'll take distinctive jank including Miyazaki's over Ghibli's safer stuff and almost everything Disney.
>I can understand you name Pom Poko. But Only Yesterday is really your second choice? You ran out after one example yet bothered to name a second one.
Nah, I brought up two movies to see how you'd respond to them. Pom Poko went over your head and Only Yesterday's technique was lost on you, pretty much as expected.
>They've got boring framing, boring characters with boring dialouge and just overall unimpressive visuals
I can't change your mind on that.
Really, why are you here? You sound like and have the taste of an entry-level /co/ fag.
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No.101218
>>101179
>You'd be right if you called Disney sterile
But I didn't. So can you please just respond to what I actually did say? Because I'm not going to read something that starts off of a false premise. I called Ghibli sterile because that's what I consider their movies to be.
>pom poko went over your head
Why?
>OY's technique was lost on you
What technique are you referring to here? You're being too vague and just saying I didn't get it is not a substitute for my boredom. It's an old boring movie that's poorly animated. I don't really care how they did it. But again you're just being vague because I don't know what technique you meant.
>Ghibli has two huge advantages
>they have actual direction
No true scotsman
>aren't afraid of stillness
<it's a feature
Their movies are ugly sterile pieces of shit that try to replicate real-life because they lack imagination and are nothing but silly propaganda. If you actual have anything to contribute I'll hear it. Stop using fallacies. Their movies are boring and proof in it is that nothing in OY needed to be animated.
Again you bring in no unique point of view. I've already read it all before. You don't see me defending a Disney movie here on what they aren't, just that they're actually animated because that's the movie they're making. I've said nothing else. Disney movies are expressive, Ghibli movies are not. Disney movies contain comedy with likeable characters and memorable dialogue, Ghibli movies do not. Disney movies can't be replicated with real life actors, Ghibli movies can. There. Now you can defend these terrible movies all you want but saying I just don't get it is not an argument. I am not afraid of stillness in a low budget anime either. But only because those low-budget shows are for a less broad audience. Only because those lower budget shows make up for it with memorable characters, dialogue or generally expressive animation. These budget shows that aren't just on a low-budget but also a time-table.
If you think Ghibli ever made an actual movie worth something. You're wrong an someone that needs to see more movies.
>>101178
But if he remade something that was good. Wouldn't the remake be good?
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No.101245
>>101086
>Dumbo is a fucking masterpiece that actually utilizes animation as an art instead of trying to replicate real life or sexualize young girls.
This is literally a tumblr-tier opinion.
If you want to complain about lolis being sexualized, you could at least go to the effort of watching some proper lolicon anime (Moetan, Kodomo no Jikan, etc.). The Ghibli movies aren't the least bit sexual.
As for your opinions on animation, you're just an uncultured retard.
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No.101253
>>101218
>But I didn't. So can you please just respond to what I actually did say?
I did, and you'd know this if you finished the fucking sentence. Almost everything else that you responded to (the "actual direction" bit, for instance) assumes you read the paragraphs you skipped, and without that context informing your responses they're just useless repetitions of stuff you've already said.
You aren't getting another (you) until you read the paragraphs you skipped.
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No.101278
>>101245
>you're tumblr
>>101253
>it assumed you skipped paragraphs
Can you respond to the contents of my post yes or no?
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No.101281
>>101278
Shut the fuck up and go back to tumblr, retard.
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No.101282
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No.101285
>>101278
Not without repeating myself, you fucking fruit. Unless you want the discussion to go in circles again, read the paragraphs you skipped I'm not spoonfeeding them to you a second time.
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No.101288
>>101285
How about you respond to the contents of my post instead of writing paragraphs that aren't intended for me and then expect me to respond to them? Claiming I didn't read something is not a response to the contents of my post.
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No.101289
>>101288
I already did that in >>101288 and you responded by repeating yourself because you assumed several paragraphs weren't intended for you and ignored them. Your standards and quality comparisons for Ghibli are tied to your expectations for a Disney film, and thus any response that isn't mocking you for your apples to oranges comparison and tumblrisms will involve digging into Disney's philosophy and production techniques.
Frankly, >>101218 has a lot to respond to and laugh at, you said some retarded shit but I'm holding myself back until you man up enough to read a whopping two paragraphs about Disney.
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No.101291
>>101289
already did that in >>101179 *
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No.101296
>>101289
>you're tumblr
I heard you the first time. Feel free to respond to the contents of my post any time.
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No.101301
will you niggers give it up.
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No.101316
>>101301
Sure, otherwise I'd be wasting time picking apart the post of a faggot who doesn't realize what a huge budget and SFX team you'd need to pull off most Ghibli films in live action.
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No.101318
>>101316
Sure. Because that's clearly what I said.
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No.101333
>ghibli
Boring as shit movies made by socialists for socialist normalfags
>B-B-BUT MIYAZAKI SAID COMMIE SHIT 30 YEARS AGO HE PROBABLY STILL ISNT LIKE THAT NOW
Fuck off. He still opposes Article 9 and believes in the Unit 731 meme. And he will always be a colossal faggot for shiting on Tezuka, the guy pretty much responsible for him having a career.
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No.101335
>>101333
even if he said some commie shit his movies are simplistic so it's not like it would have helped his movies out. I don't think he really cares. He's just there to collect a check and fall in love with 8 year old girls.
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No.101379
Why are his characters always about girls?
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No.101382
>>101379
Porco Rosso, Ponyo, Lupin III, and The Wind Rises had male leads, and Laputa and Mononoke had 1 female and 1 male lead. Only Nausicaa, Kiki, Howl's, Spirited Away, Mononoke, and Totoro had female leads. A 4/5 split is close to even.
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No.101417
>>101333
A japanese socialist is more right wing than an american conservative, famalam. Call me back when the anime you watch aren't all lolishit and traps.
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No.101443
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No.101464
>>101086
this is all you deserve
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No.101465
>>101464
Your downvote is noted.
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No.101466
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No.101476
>>101466
I mean an observation of a downvote in itself isn't bait kid.
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No.101594
>1999
>american kid sees totoro
<wtf is this jap shit, wheres my Xmen
>2019
>american kid sees totoro
<wtf is this jap shit, wheres my pedololi
Reminder that american weebs use anime as a front for pedophilia, just like furries do for homosex.
TWENTY YEARS APART, YANKS STILL HATE CLASSIC ANIME THE SAME.
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No.101597
>>101594
>anime
>pedophilia
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No.101599
>>101597
<I only like naked children in comics, not real life
This is literally everything a weeaboo can say to defend himself
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No.101600
>>101599
It's a drawing. What stupid-as-shit moral crusade are you trying to push?
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No.101602
>>101599
I unironically enjoy loli while finding 3D children repulsive. Like all 2D, it's an idealized, perfect version of something that's not all that great actually. I know that nothing in real life can even come close, because anime has been precision engineered to be aesthetically and emotionally pleasing. The only thing my interests in 2D do is send me further down the 2D rabbit hole, lamenting the real world's imperfection more with each passing month.
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No.101606
>>101597
>>101600
>>101602
He's not here to argue in good faith and he doesn't seem to like anime either. He's here to bait you guys.
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No.101624
>>101594
>totoro
>no pedololi
?
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No.101629
>>101599
Where do you think we are?
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No.101645
>I don't read LGBT propaganda because I don't like pozz
>I don't read communist comics because I'm not a commie
<I don' read comics with children getting fucked because I'm not a pedo... OH WAIT, I DO
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No.101646
>>101629
He's baiting. Just report and ignore. He's probably here to start shit after getting banned on /a/.
Funny it's in a Ghibli thread where there is no sexualized lolis in the movies and is relatively tame in comparison to the average anime.
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No.101647
>>101600
>It's a drawing.
A drawing of children, exactly. You shouldn't feel excited at pictures of children, be either pencil made, or chalk or mosaic.
Nobody is telling you that the drawing should be saved from abuse. They're telling you that you are a pedophile using filthy art as proxy. And you have no rebuttal whatsoever.
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No.101648
>>101646
Deep down you have the same reactions of a redditor. When you've lost, you call the mods.
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No.101649
>>101647
It's really obnoxious when Miyazaki gets away with it in his movies innit?
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No.101651
>>101647
>>101648
You derailed an entire thread about shit not related to said thread.
You are discussing about characters that have eyes too large to fit properly in the skull and no noses on average.
You are shitting on what is an artstyle, especially where moe style anime when all characters appear more age ambiguous where the aesthetic differences between loli and adult is only by the clothes they wear.
You are talking about a style of cartoon from a country with one of the lowest sex crime rates in the world.
I don't know why you are here and made this thread about shitting on silicon when none of movies sexualized them.
>Deep down you have the same reactions of a redditor.
Reddit bans loli and shota content, you'd feel more at home there.
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No.101652
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No.101653
>>101651
The earlier anime fandom back in the 00s is more chilled about loli content. Now I'm seeing fags coming out of nowhere attacking loli and banning them left and right on anime fan sites.
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No.101654
>>101651
People are attacking high school girls now, including thick big breasted ones. There are many that will call you a pedo for liking high school anime characters and they want it banned like loli.
>>101653
>The earlier anime fandom back in the 00s is more chilled about loli content. Now I'm seeing fags coming out of nowhere attacking loli and banning them left and right on anime fan sites.
Those people are are SJWeebs that jumped into anime to be ironic "we are so quirky" weebs and want loli and sexualized high school girl characters banned while they virtue signal on their high horses. The ones that aren't SJWeeb infiltrators are long time anime fans that are too ashamed to admit to liking anime because of the loli and weeb elements associated with it but would rather change anime instead of quitting anime.
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No.101655
>>101647
What country are you from? Just curious.
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No.101662
>>101654
It makes me wonder why he's here. He not only shits on loli, but he uses weeb as an insult in the context used. He also shits on anime in a roundabout way.
It makes me wonder why he's here if he hates anime and shits on lolicon in a thread that isn't about lolicon.
Even if he admits to liking anime, it's probably that "I only like Manime like Cowboy Bebop & Fist of the North Star" or "Moe ruined anime, the industry used to be manly" bullshit despite loli and moe being very common from the get-go and just never came to the West in those times.
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No.101720
And yet again you people fall for simple bait and expect us to believe you actually have a well-educated mind about movie-making.
It just shows how shallow you are. Ghibli movies are perfect for you because you're boring.
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No.101922
Big Fish and Begonia > Ghibli movies
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No.101998
>>101922
Not better than all of them, but it was the first chink cartoon I actually liked, even if the white-haired boy gets friend-zoned hard enough to consider selling his soul to the soul-trading jew.
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No.103194
Castle in the Sky is Hackazaki's only good film.
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