/a/ - Animu & Mango

Was anyone disappointed by Black Clover? This show is about a war between Magus. When I saw that they're making this, and named it after an esoteric symbol sacred almost exclusively to Thelema I expected more. What I got? A bunch of nonsense people dressed like Witches, performing magick like Sabrina: The Teenage Witch and Harry Potter.

>>929263

You should watch the film if you haven't done so before, and tell us its alchemic implications.

Occultism is gay, scientifically explaining the past and attempting to rationalize previous religions and concepts with technology and aliens is where it's at, life is so much better once you realize that magic is just science, and God's are actually misconceptions of ancient astrological events and inter dimensional alien deities.

>>929314

That's why you tell normalfags it's magic and gods.

>>929314

If you want to be edgy and cool, then at least believe in something much more insane than weak theories about ayys.

>>929362

If you reread my post I mentioned "Astrological events" meaning I included the Saturn theory and the planet theory Thunderbolts of the Gods was about. But that said it's also very likely aliens were responsible. I also believe in plasma explosions, and undiscovered atmospheric beasts.

>>929314

>misconceptions of ancient astrological events

The only thing worse than an alchemist or a wizard, a Saint

>>929373

Is that a quote, or are these terms used in /x/ circles?

>>929260

If you see a character named Alice in anything Japanese, it's always an allusion to Alice in Wonderland until proven otherwise.

>>929314

Nice try Satan, but we all know """aliens""" are actually demons.

>>929769

Alice in Wonderland is a Kabalistic text which is rumored to use the name "Alice" as an allusion to Satan (though it is known Lewis Carrol was friends with a young girl named Alice)

>>930188

>>930179

Carrol took naked picures of Alice Liddel (Who was around the age of 6 mind you) and went to her father to ask to marry her, when she was also still 6.

Good thing disney put out that alice movie or the vast majority of modern loli content would've been toddlercon.

>>930194

That makes no sense, gnosticism is all about divinity being on a higher level than any individual deity. God may be omnipotent, but he is one and separate from anyone that isn't him. The gnostic Monad, the one and indivisible absolute, is the entirety of creation. It is present in all things, even the smaller one, and thus, via the process of Gnosis, one should technically be able to access his inner divinity.

That theme is very much present in the Xeno game series, but no way this is what SMT is about.

>>930200

SMT has the demiurge.

>>930202

Gnosticism did invent the Demiurge mythology as represented in SMT, that is true. However, it was more intended to be a foil than anything else. Invent a role similar to God but more pathetic, demonstrating True Divinity cannot be contained in any one asshole. It's the Monad that's truly important to Gnosticism. In terms of christianity, the Monad is God and the Demiurge is kind of an asshole Saint or even the Snake.

So while I can definitely be said that the designers could have caught on to the more nihilistic aspects of gnosticism, reducing omnipotent entities to perfectly faillible dudes, they also missed the actual core lesson.

That said, I think you might be right in a roundabout way. It's often claimed Chaos is presented as better than Law inherently, but I don't think that's the case. Chaos has better PR in face of utterly self-serving Law figures, but ultimately they still push a shit ideology that will ruin everything. Conversely, if Neutral is usually the actual best way to go, then it would go right back to being true Gnosticism, since it's humans reaching their inner divinity and telling all other supposedly superior faggots to suck it. You're still missing the Monad in there, but the end goal is similar in essence. Rejecting false idols and realizing the true nature of divinity. In other words :

Chaos>Neutral>Law : Not Gnostic

Neutral>Law=Chaos : Gnostic in practice, though not fully adhering to it

Again, Xeno games are better illustrations of Gnosticism, Xenoblade 1 in particular, to the point it's practically a lesson.

The Japanese are generally apathetic to Western occultism because if it's hard enough to have a deep knowledge of it in the west, it's far harder to match that in the east and through a language barrier, so this thread will have trouble picking up steam.

For those interested in it they tend to stick to Lovecraft and tread no further because it has been popularized by translations of his work that went on through the 20th century. Konaka himself was mostly of this kind, but the Alice name is a particular enough choice and facial enough reference to probably be authentic.

>>929314

Science is just magic though.

>>930188

It is true though that the Alice series is a kabbalistic text. Crowley recommended it as such in Book 4: Magick. Alice was a young girl he knew (but the pedastery claims are unproven) but the coincidence is too strong and was obviously made an allusion to The Morning Star in the book. The meaning is so much more than a simple allusion to a young girl he knew.

>>930303

Crowley was an insane idiot though. The only good thing that ever came off his bullshit was that song Ozzy made.

>>930209

Gnosticism rip'doff Neoplatonism

>>930351

Plenty of philosophers across history came up with an idea close to the Monad before Gnosticism did, and after, not going to deny that. Spinoza came up with something close, too. All I'm taking issue with is defining Gnosticism by its more nihilistic elements without telling the whole story.