/a/ - Animu & Mango

>>929068

If there are no tool marks, then the most likely explanation is that they were removed. And for that you just need sandpaper, or something similar. And lo and behold!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandpaper#History

>Boiled and dried, the rough horsetail plant is used in Japan as a traditional polishing material, finer than sandpaper.

Now I don't know how hard it is to work granite with boiled rough horsetail, but it sounds like the kind of task generations of bored priests or monks could accomplish over decades or centuries. You can see what they use around 8:00, and I'm sure that you can find more about this if you are searching the Japanese internet.

>>929079

Granite is hard as shit. If diamonds have a hardness of 10, then granite is like a solid 7. It's not necessarily that priests could do it, but the fact that even modern equipment would have a hard time making the cuts if it even could combined with the fact that there's no records.

>>929068

This is probably a Geopolymer.

https://youtu.be/rf9qK9QTlq0

https://youtu.be/k0nOw_ebmGk

>>929082

From what I can gather granite is between 6 and 6.5 on the Mosh scale. That sugoi natural biovegan sandpaper works because the plant is full of silica, which has a hardness between 6 and 7.

>even modern equipment would have a hard time making the cuts

Different techniques and technologies make vastly different things possible. To give you an example, take the plans of nearly any automatic weapon designed more than 80 years ago, and give them to a machinist who runs a small shop. He will either they you to get out, or will charge a ridiculously high price. Why? Because back then they used completely different machines, and there are lots of cuts that are very hard to do today, simply because we don't have the specialized machines that are capable of them. Now, if you work entirely with handtools, then the difference between that and modern machines is even greater. The simplest of all processes suddenly became nearly impossible, yet you are in a whole new world of possibilities.

Is this an Ancient Aliens thread?

>>929103

That's just my theory, but it seems more plausible than ayyncient ayyliums leaving behind random stones for no reason whatsoever.

>>929104

It looks like something the japanese made, the work kind of reminds me of their woodworking and how they join pieces with accurate cuts and joints.

>>929103

Never heard of dorodango?

>>929068

Yeah but are there cute antropomorphic moe blobs version of it.

>>929104

Advanced ancient civilizations seem more likely than aliens, honestly.

>>929133

Yet his (probably their) work will be remembered forever while you continue to rot away.

>>929139

Yeah, but at least he got to say he made an awesome rock with the power of sheer autism. All we've got is a mountain of shitposts no one bothered to archive.

>>929068

You've seen nothing, wait until you get to the south american megaliths that were clearly designed to connect to attach to others like some sort of industrial lego. And all this technology got lost because hordes of savages reproduce faster than advanced societies.

>>929210

>The japs have multiple ancient traditions and modern fads based off autistically polishing things.

There's even a whole channel about it.

>>929363

>younger dryas impact catastrophe

The impact hypothesis is dubious at best. Aside from whether the evidence is reliable, it's hard to reconcile the scales of the different effects; the geographical extent of claimed direct evidence seems to suggest a larger impact than the global climactic effects. There have been suggestions as to how to resolve this (e.g. a multiple-impactor scenario) but they're essentially speculative.

I think the YD impact hypothesis is partly the result of explanations with merit looking for something to explain, and being applied to a case that doesn't adequately support them. Asher & Clube, for example, are often regarded in the meteor/NEO community as having had some good, well-accepted theories, but as having taken them much too far and drawn tenuous and extravagant conclusions. It wouldn't be the first time their hypothesis had been used to explain the origin of an impact during the past 30kyr that didn't actually happen.

Something certainly happened during that period, but I'm skeptical about whether it was an impact.

>>929363

>Also, because the it was a disaster on a global scale, it is also the very reason all the major religions have same kind of occurring disaster ending the "old" world and starting a new one from the scratch, with few survivors hunkering down in some safe place because shit's on fire yo (or flooding).

That's just because that's a good narrative tool.

>>929544

The first confirmed written record of Japanese authorship is a commentary about the Lotus Sutra by Prince Shōtoku. It was written in 615 CE. The oldest Japanese histories are the Kojiki (712) and Nihon Shoki (720). Both of them are unreliable, and highly politicized. And anything in them dated before the 6th century should be taken with even more scepticism. Early Japanese history is filled with questions and uncertainties. This has nothind to do with Aliens or any ancient civilization. The Asuka stones aren't even impressive when compared to other structures build before them, which also do not have any proper documentation, https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ise-Shrine or the Oujin tomb are examples of this. It doesn't help that the kofun (tombs) related to the Japanese emperors aren't open to archeologists (there have been a few exceptions, but there aren't any proper excavations of the imperial kofuns) and are officially owned by the imperial family. Many of the imperial kofun are more than 1400 years old, which places them into the period without written records. The "Yamatai controversy", as well as editorialized references to Queen Himiko in the Nihon Shoki (citing the Chinese Wei Zhi three times, but intentionally excluding details about her), raise lots of questions. The outcome of certain historical questions can lead to enormous political and religious issues in current Japan.

The imperial family gets its legimaticy through blood, they are supposed to be descandents of Amaterasu. But if there's any proof found that the bloodline is broken, then the entire basis for their rule is false. One of the worst scenarios would be that there's proof that the current bloodline comes out of Korea or China. Which isn't even entirely implausible.

Sources

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Himiko-Japanese-ruler

https://www.britannica.com/place/Japan/History#ref23117

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himiko

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishibutai_Kofun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soga_clan

https://asukamura.jp/english/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kofun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamatai

Recent editorial about kofun:

http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201811090019.html

>>929376

There were massive floods caused by glaciers sliding into the sea at the end of the last ice age, about 10-15,000 years ago. Sea levels could have risen by more than 2 metres in some cases, drowning any settlements on coastal plains.

It's not hard to imagine events like this being preserved in cultural memory.

>>929548

Well, it can go two directions: either it will be used to legitimaze the rise of a Korean élite in Japanese society, or the Japs will colonize Korea once more. I fear the former is more likely.

On the topic of shrines and ancient Japanese history, would any knowledgeable anons be able to share some good reading material/personal opinions on the Shinto religion?

I find myself somewhat embarassed that I've been ignorant of it for so long, not counting my familiarity with its mundane aspects.

>>929548

If we take the assumption that humanity did not originate in Japan, excluding Korea and China doesn't leave many other places humans who settled in Japan could come from.

>>929628

Massive social and political instability would just leave Japan vulnerable to becoming an effective vassal state of China or US (i.e. Israel), frankly it's surprising they've kept as much individuality as they have. Though I suppose the Olympics and whichever laissez-faire economist in the Japanese government is pushing for open immigration because "But my aging population :(" are going to achieve more or less the same effect. Plus I don't think half a dozen public encyclopedia sources constitutes an argument strong enough to sway any large institutions, despite how informative and interesting his post is it would be a lot more work to turn it into an actual paper.

>>929548

It's already known that there's Korean blood in the imperial line. The question is if if the current imperial line is connected to the original bloodline. The justification for the rule of the emperor is that he's a descandant of Amaterasu. And there's a chance that Japan was conquered by foreign forces in the blank period from 266-413 CE.

>>929549

It can't be used to legitimize the Korean elite. If this proposed scenario is true, then it would imply that foreigners murdered the "descendants of god" and controlled Japan with a lie for more than a millenia.

>>929633

The first humans arrived in Japan during prehistoric times. We don't know the exact date, but it was at the very least 12,700+ BCE.

>>929635

This isn't an secret or special knowledge. There have been hypotheses that the current imperial line orginated in Korea or China for decades. And this is the worst case scenario,there are dozens of other possible outcomes. But even if the bloodline is Japanese, any break in the bloodline will cause social and political unrest.

The issue is that the imperial family doesn't allow proper excavations of the kofun. And therefore archeologists can't gather enough proof to confirm or denounce the dozens of different hypotheses. Another issue is that clearly fictional characters, e.g. emperor Jimmu (first emperor) have tombs. The proposed bloodline in Nihon Shoki is wrong, there's no doubt about that. But it's also very likely that there's a real bloodline that justified rule on the basis of being a descendant of Amaterasu. There's certainly going to be troublesome information in the kofun.

Here's an article from the Independent published in 1995.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/japan-guards-the-emperors-secrets-1581547.html

>>929646

Following are some of the passages about Yamatai from the Records of Wei:

Going south by water for twenty days, one comes to the country of Toma, where the official is called mimi and his lieutenant, miminari. Here there are about fifty thousand households. Then going toward the south, one arrives at the country of Yamadai, where a Queen holds her court. [This journey] takes ten days by water and one month by land. Among the officials there are the ikima and, next in rank, the mimasho; then the mimagushi, then the nakato. There are probably more than seventy thousands households. (115, tr. Tsunoda 1951:9)

Herein we address Himiko, Queen of Wa, whom we now officially call a friend of Wei. […Your envoys] have arrived here with your tribute, consisting of four male slaves and six female slaves, together with two pieces of cloth with designs, each twenty feet in length. You live very far away across the sea; yet you have sent an embassy with tribute. Your loyalty and filial piety we appreciate exceedingly. We confer upon you, therefore, the title "Queen of Wa Friendly to Wei," together with the decoration of the gold seal with purple ribbon. The latter, properly encased, is to be sent to you through the Governor. We expect you, O Queen, to rule your people in peace and to endeavor to be devoted and obedient. (tr. Tsunoda 1951:14)

The country formerly had a man as ruler. For some seventy or eighty years after that there were disturbances and warfare. Thereupon the people agreed upon a woman for their ruler. Her name was Himiko [卑彌呼]. She occupied herself with magic and sorcery, bewitching the people. Though mature in age, she remained unmarried. She had a younger brother who assisted her in ruling the country. After she became the ruler, there were few who saw her. She had one thousand women as attendants, but only one man. He served her food and drink and acted as a medium of communication. She resided in a palace surrounded by towers and stockades, with armed guards in a state of constant vigilance. (tr. Tsunoda 1951:13)

When Himiko passed away, a great mound was raised, more than a hundred paces in diameter. Over a hundred male and female attendants followed her to the grave. Then a king was placed on the throne, but the people would not obey him. Assassination and murder followed; more than one thousand were thus slain. A relative of Himiko named Iyo [壹與], a girl of thirteen, was [then] made queen and order was restored. Chêng issued a proclamation to the effect that Iyo was the ruler. (tr. Tsunoda 1951:16)

>>929545

>One of the worst scenarios would be that there's proof that the current bloodline comes out of Korea or China.

Are asians so deluded they fail to aknowledge that the mongoloid race shares the same progenitors in asia?

>>929702

Yes and it's very annoying, especially when wehraboo fake-weeaboo take to their autistic shitflinging. At least in the West we understand the Italians or Spanish to be similar enough racially to the Germans or English.

>>929702

If any race would do that, an Asian race would do it. When you have the yellow jew on one front and the dog-eating gooks on the other I could understand not wanting anything to do with them to the point of denying your common ancestry.