/a/ - Animu & Mango

>>912787

>>912788

>template whining in the OP

>everyone ignores the the chapter dump with even more template complaints

Nice thread you got here.

>>912787

Have the Mina gif without the offensive watermark.

>the threads haven't changed since cuckchan moved in

>they haven't changed at all!

<next OP is yet more incessant bitching

At what point are these chucklefucks going get the message and piss off already.

As a tangent, have we got anybody who could translate pic related? Even if you're not a person who who reads the series and are just seeing this on Pg1, it'd be appreciated.

>>912896

>Are you saying that the Remedial Course arc, U.A. Cultural Arc, Pro Hero Arc and Joint Training Arc after the Internship Arc have been stellar?

Yes, I enjoyed them. Hence why I'm in the thread talking about the series. The only arcs I had gripes with was the Internship arc for being >the Internship arc, and Cult Fest for being too short/not developing itself for even 1-2 chapters more.

>>913039

>>>>>forgot about a plot point

>meanwhile the OfA revelation is hinted back in Chapter 1 and the logic is kept throughout

>Gigantomachia was introduced with the rest of the league despite not being really introduced until now

>page spoiler shows that Ujiko is the doctor from Chapter 1

>Even minor shit like the winged nomu from Stain being the doc's kid or Ms Joke showing up in the sports festival years earlier

Sure thing. Hey, just a thought-have you tried reading the series? It's pretty good.

>he blew his load for too early

<but he's also passed the normal lifespan for a shounen

>he's forgotten plot points

<but he has it all planned out in advance

At least keep your cuckchan bitching internally consistent.

>>913721

A few people I'd assume, what with the first movie taking Top 10 highest grossing anime movies of all time for a while. Wouldn't be surprised if it's going to at least get a second movie along with another two seasons guaranteed.

>>913844

(You)

>>914071

>still defending Green Naruto Boku Nothing Happens My Hero Zero Stakes Macaronidemia

The new chapter has a LOT of edit potential I'll tell ya what.

Anyways, the doc is the doc, because we totally didn't see that one coming from ages away. Honestly I find it amusing that all of AFO's cronies aren't super hot on shiggy.

We also have female nomus, because the degenerates need material to degenerate to.

Given the name drop we know that this chapter happens before the pro-hero arc, so i'm excited to see how we go from this to the LOV getting high-end number 1.

>>914350

>excited to see how we go from this to the LOV getting high-end number 1.

Dabi already knows what's good.

On the other hand, if the LoV are trying to 'prove' themselves to the oldguard of AfO's crew, what else are they doing bar High End. You'd think there'd be a bigger. more involved plan overall than just have Dabi help out a test subject with demolitions duty (especially since this seems to be Spinners focus/miniarc, the same way the setup for the Yakuza was Twices focus/miniarc).

Then again, Doc might be impressed enough by the quirk steroids and removers that Tomura got providing the doc already hasn't figured a way to do that without eviscerating lolis

here is the full chapter

>>914393

Nice burn.

This chapter was good for out of context screencaps if anything else.

>>914386

It's not that the League can't make trouble, it's that they can't do the society shifting shit that easily. When it comes to individual missions they're well equipped, but that's nothing compared to the society shifting shit that Destro's theorised mind control dots can do

All in all;

-Compress and Tomura have amazing demoltion quirks (going by the logic set out by Tomuras quirk, there's no reason why he couldn't theoretcially decay entire skyscrapers provided the support stuctures are made of the same material) and Compress can both act as an offensive demoltions guy or a defensive/supportive materials carrier. He also presents as the only real remaining getaway the League have left bar 'disguise/make clones and split up' as their best getaway would be to compress the League itself, and just walk away (though it woul be an eggs-in-one-basket eal).

-Twice could theoretically be great, between creating ther own hostages, creating their own torture/information subjects or creating discord/probea to 'test the waters' as well as having a second one of any member of the league should the shit hit the fan but it's apparent that his mental issues are really holding back from breaking his quirks limits as oppose to the similar power-tier example of Compress, whose quirk is both broken and well utilised.

-Dabi presents the Leagues only remaining ranged capabilities but is more of a short range DPS than Mustards long range zoning; but regardless is invaluable to the league due to this only factor of suppression.

-Spinners capabilities are as of yet unknown, but Toga presents as the weakest memebr of the League. She's great for espionage but her requirements are far too niche comapred to other characters in the franchise like Toru, Jirou, Shouji or even Twice.

The issue is, is that by losing Kurogiri, Mustard and Muscular they took a heavy hit to their team balance; going from a well rounded group to one that completely lacks a reliable escape mechanism, zoning and a raw tank fuck off, RPG terms are the best way to get the point across leaving them as a group of utility without any core (plus they never had any sustain/recovery to begin with, limiting them to short period jobs)

In short; the current League would be great at heists, prison breakouts, terror attacks, hostage situations etc but don't really have any good escape mechanisms bar Compressing away and none of that is the scale they need to complete their goal of overthrowing the current ruling order. They haven't the durability or men to go for a GTA 6 star wanted level attack on the government as of yet, nor any mass control quirks where they can play a slow game of Quirk.Inc, which is the fundamental weakness that Nomu or Gigantomachia would remedy.

>>914386

On your Dabi point, I see your logic, but he's way too much into Stains territory and has already shown signs (along with Spinner) of ditching the League entirely because of ideological issues (as oppose to Twice who only wants friends, Toga who only wants a rolling body count and Compress whose motives are as of yet unknown). Tomura and the gang want recruits, Dabi wants to torch the heathens. My prediction is that come the Tartarus breakout him and Spinner will indeed ditch the League for Stain or will have to deal in their own ways with Stain getting popped off by AfO/Tomura.

Tomura's power issue is that he has no order. Each of the league have personailty flaws that aren't bad per se, but come in front of orders. Going back to the forest;

-Muscular put killing shit before the missions success

-Toga put fucking around with the girls before the missions success

-Mustard put mocking UA and not retreating before the missions success (even though the poor kid got faced with one of the two guys, the more suited one mind you, on the entire camp that could deal with Dirty Harry)

-Moonfish eaty crazy man eat the people yumyum chompchomp before the missions success

-Twices mental issues presented a challenge throughout

-Spinner prevented Magne from killing Deku over his Stainfagging

-Compress put fucking around and being an entertainer before the missions success (to the point where they lost the second hostage, Fumikage, at the last minute because Compress wanted to bow out)

The only two who kept their cool and stuck to the plan were Dabi and Magne; of which Dabi is still a heavy Stainfag (albeit to a lesser extent than Spinner) and Magne despite his solid performance at the Forest and Kamino is now dead because he was the fucker unlucky enough to be stood closest to birdautist. These sideflaws aren't bad per se and they aren't impossible to work around, but because of misplaced priorities and lack of order the League was as much to an enemy to themselves as they were to the students.

And as a final, small correction; not all the villains are held in Tartarus (only the top brass) the same way there are more prisons other than Alcatraz or Guantanamo in burgerland. I will admit that my headcanon theory is that only political enemys get thrown in Tartarus as oppose to actual big threats but It's likely that Mustard and Muscular are held in different prisons other than Tartarus (especially when you take into account that the Villains have tier rankings, with S-Tier going to Tartarus but A-tier Muscular and B-tier Kurogiri evidently not). Especially with AfO indicating that he'll leave Tartarus in his own time (when he feels like it) and repeatedly saying he wants Tomura to grow by himself I think the Tartarus breakout is a long time coming though as previously mentioned, that doesn't mean there won't be prison breakouts for other locations

>>914760

>boogeyman

>>914688

>fire breath quirk.

Nigger that's a destructive tractor laser armageddon beam. Come to think of it, Gigantomachia as a whole seems heavily inspired by Godzilla, what with his base height bing that tall and the thingies on his back.

>>914760

>boogeyman

Pretty sure you don't understand the definition of boogeyman. Obvious 4cuckfag is obvious.

>>914860

Don't worry, we've just had a slight infestation of cuckchan shitposters as of recent times. Season 3 is where things really start to ramp up before reaching a very solid climax and tapering off on a slower arc to set up for next season, so you'll really like that if you're going in blind.

Anime ends at Ch125 currently the manga is at 221, but one of the mangas strength is in its extremely high quality art so there's no shame in starting from Ch1. The Vigilantes spinoff is also a solid manga if you're looking for more (art tkaes getting used to, but it's a great read)

Next anime season starts in Winter and if I remeber correctly and is coming with a confirmed second movie (although no details as of yet). It's going to cover what is both the longest for context, Sports Fest from S2 is 23 chapters, Yakuza is 42 chapters and could take up the entire season the most disputed over arc of the series - as in some people think it's among the best arcs and others (not shitposters this time) would argue it's the weakest arc in the entire series. Very hit/miss marmite-y arc, followed up possibly by a smaller arc after about a failed youtuber and his shortstack waifu trolling UA (not even kidding, it's great) at which point it will likely end there to set up the nigh undisputed best arc in the manga to kick off S5.

If you've got any questions or want to talk about something I'll be lurking for a bit.

>>914958

Yeah it looks that way. Going off the fact the yellow nomu from Stain arc was his kid from Chapter 1, it's likely that he's been using his position to get priority pickings on who has what quirk and set up the conditions for 'accidents' so the previous sized LoV could go in and grab the top tier quirks for AfO/bodies for Nomu. Getting it in early means that they could still likely operate under the radar without attracting too much suspicion like modern irl child/slave/sex trafficing rings.

Deku is one lucky fucker for not having a quirk when he went into that doctors office.

>>914966

I can't remeber the chapter, but after the Stain arc when AfO is commenting on what Tomura should be doing the same guy is in the background, so Horikoshi has at least been hinting it throughout. He might not be (called) Ujiko however, since the Doctor states clearly thats a name he's borrowing while communicating with the current LoV.

>>914967

As far as I'm aware, the order is as follows (with a > indicating the confirmed order and < indicating we don't know where they specifically place in the lineup)

>Unnamed, unseen dude ('Stockpile')

>All for One (All for One)

>All for One's brother ('Baton Pass', fuses with Stockpile to make One for All)

<Shadow (?)

<Shadow (?)

<Hellboy (Black Whip)

<Scars dude (?)

>Guy who kinda looks like Best Jeanist with the collar (?)

>Nana Shimura (?)

>All Might (Quirkless)

>Deku (Quirkless)

Bouncing off that, we might have already seen some of the aspects of OfA. Resisting Shinsou's mind control, the strength increase cowling/lightning and the wind blasts might all be previous quirks that Deku has just been subconsciously using without being told (note that neither Nana or All Mights strength have been shown to have any of the lightning or glimmer effects, implying that it might be specific to Deku-even moreso when you realise the eldritch truth that the white/green lightning is the inverse colours of AfO's exact same black/red lightning effects when he uses his quirk)

>Shigaraki awakened his bullshit quirk as a child and killed his whole family

>this gave him amnesia

>all he remembers are the terrible feelings

>OfA showed up and adopted him

>Doctor Robotnik, for some inexplicable reason, decided to collect the severed hands of everyone Shigaraki killed

>his whole goal as a villain is to be an edgy faggot and kill everyone

>that's literally it

>he was angry as a kid that a hero didn't save him when his stupid quirk activated and he just started touching and killing several people

Good God this is fucking dumb. At least give the stupid faggot a decent goal or motivation. "My quirk is bad and it makes me feel bad so everyone else in the world should die" is literally worse motivation than Sasuke.

Jaiminis are out and being posted

Mangastream link: https://readms.net/r/my_hero_academia/222/5769/1

The context behind the first page is seemingly to do with another announced movie coming later in the year.

>>916336

>wants to bitch about the series

>doesn't post the chapter

actual triple nigger

>>916336

Correction

>Tomura's quirk showed up late, about the age of 4

>he killed his entire family, his dog and destoryed a chunk of his house

>this gave him Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and forgot the entirety of it as a mental safety mechanism

>AfO found him in an alley, thin and homeless, abandoned by society because he had manifested a new type of quirk with no set procedure you suddenly developed a previously unheard of type of quirk (unlike other quirks like 'common' hardening quirks or 'rare' healing/warping quirks)

>AfO had Ujiko collect what remained of the family, preserved them and used them to force Tomura to remember the trauma

>AfO used this to groom Tomura into irrationally hating everything around him and a want to deconstruct society so AfO could step in and work with the remains, as he stated numerous times that Tomura would be used as his front, so he could work in the background rather than help him get over it

>he was angry that everything he loved died while he was at a developmental age, and he was left to fend for himself on the streets in a time when he grew up with people who said 'heroes will fix everything' like people still did with All Might in the initial stages of the narrative (with them not even caring about major threats, because All Might will just fix it - likely the same occurring with his Grandma)

The least you could have done to indicate you followed the series and weren't a blatent shitposter was to get the AfO/OfA thing the right way round, newfag.

<he watched nardo

Holy fucking shit, these are the people raiding these threads.

>>916336

>not elaborated on = literally it

>>916447

>past few years have realized its shit

Nah, I've been in the threads for a while and discussion was primarily positive until the Class A vs Class B arc. People were getting bored towards the end of Overhaul, but Gentle and the Endeavor arc were well liked. Then Class A vs Class B shit the bed hard and most people turned against it. I don't think it's a "raid" like that one anon thinks, but the "we totally hated it the whole time" thing isn't true either. The Class A vs Class B arc was just so shit it seems to have irreparably broken the discussion we used to have.

>>917706

So you are gonna act like the number of 4um filenames didnt rise exponentially all attached to a negative post and that one time anon didn't bait and outright exposed a crossposters who turned out to be a chronic raider on 4um too?

The joint training arc was one of the weakest in the series but claiming that the former didn't happen is pure dishonestly seeing as you claim that you were here for the longest time.

I liked the Joint training arc, plus the shitposters arrived much earlier than when it got stale at Match 4/5, so they weren't exactly a critical response to the quality. If anything by that point there were just a few wonky translations

>>917752

You imply that it's crashing and burning and not one of the best selling series in WSJ and didn't just have one of the most profiatble anime movies of all time (that held a Top 10 of all time until Broly, which is solid considering it's the first anime movie of its series)

I can't comment on your Nardo speculation since I don't and never have eaten pure, unfiltered shit as a hobby but the narrative for BnHA is solid if you discount Provisionals/Yakuza. Plot points have been comunicated tens/hundreds of chapters in advance, character motivations and reactions are mostly succinct, power creep is (was, again Yakuza) mostly kept in check.

I genuinely don't know what your gripe with the series is and what I'm supposed to dispute since you haven't fucking said anything other than I don't like it

>>917727

Even if there is one or a few crossposters shitting things up, I honestly think a lot of regular posters here turned on the series after that arc. I still like this manga, but I won't deny that arc was pure cancer to me and hurt my enjoyment a lot. People had always had little niggles about the series, but they were overlookable in the face of other things that were good. That arc was just a pure concentration of lot of people's least favorite things and it hurt a lot. If there was a "raid" then it was impeccably timed. But I don't think everyone being negative here is some cuckchanner. I really do think that arc did a number on the community.

>>917758

>>917756

If you want to make an argument based on quality, then use an argument based on quality and not on sales you fucking retards.

'The quality has gone down the toilet', 'the writing has gone to shit' etc would communicate said point, but to say 'crash and burn' would infer that the series as a whole is failing, which it quanitifiably isn't.

And on top of all this neither of you have yet made an actual point of what you specifically dislike. Saying 'muh shounenshit' is no better than the retards that handwave 'muh SoLshit' or 'muh Moeshit' or 'muh [Insert genre]shit'. Make a point or make off.

>>917763

The arc was much better than Yakuza, Provisionals and Final Exams for the most part; yet somehow nobody went on month long tirades and brought all their 4cuck buddies along to express how much they hate consuming a series that they don't want to consume and have a choice not to consume.

It evidently wasn't a few crossposters. as demonstrated by the haul of caught out 4umfags that got caught red handed.

>>917768

Why are you trying to make a point of things already addressed or easily deducted?

Why are you making a claim how a fight is retarded because x doesn't happen then bring up a fight where x does happen?

>>917767

What the fuck are you trying to say. This is nonsense, there is no fucking meaning to this post.

>>917768

>I could

Yet you don't

>Boring

Subjective, exaplain why

>Manipulative

What the fuck are you even saying

>Direct punch ups

Only three, (four if you count Gentle) end up as 'direct punch ups' exist in the series

-vs Muscular (where the point was that it was a test of strength)

-vs OfA (which even then had strategy behind the punch)

-vs Overhaul (>Yakuza, I'm not defending it)

You seem to conveniantly forget the Battle Trial, entire Sports Festival, Stain, Final Exams, most of the Forest Arc, Provisionals, Remedials, Culture Festival, Pro Heroes and the previous arc. In fact, that point is so stupid I was *this* fucking close to just ignoring your shitfilled leddit spaced baitpost (though at this point part of me wishes I fucking did)

>Scenarios

Which in most cases it has, when there have been stakes. Deku threw himself at Tomura before he disintegrated Tsuyu, Deku threw the first half of DvS to physically communicate with Shoto, Stain was absolutely about juggling the fight and protecting each other, Deku had to continuously protect Kota from Muscular, the majority of the end of the Forest arc was figuring out how to deal with Compress as the chase occured while simoulatneously having Moonfish and Tokoyami to deal with, Gentle was flipped in the way that he continously kept Deku away from La Brava, Pro Heroes had numerous points showing Endevaour in focus and Hawks cleaning up after him while also supporting the main fight.

Read slower.

>Only foucs is muh power

You haven't read the series.

>10000000000000000000000000000000%

<cherrypicking one of the only examples is applying it to the lot

<all villains are the same no-nonsense, murderhungry kind as Muscular; whose greatest stated flaw and demise was that he was a no-nonsense, murderhungry villain

>OfAvsAfO

<cherrypicking

What were they supposed to do? Just ditch everyone while AM is dealing with AfO? That would have just been poor writing as oppose to your evident poor reading.

Have the Pro Heroes assist All Might? Well OfA already had shrugged off Endeavour (No.2) like nothing, basically killed Jeanist instantly (No.3) and was actively using Gran Torino against All Might by teleporting him. The only logical result was to evacuate the area, mind you half of the fucking spec of hero work as if that wasn't communicated enough.

And yet, it still isn't a purely 'muh punch' fight, since the entire reason why All Might was able to overcome AfO putting barely enough effort in to kill All Might was because he had bluffeed and used the first punch as a feint going into a pivot to artificially increase the second punches force.

AfO didn't need to particulalry win that fight, so it was evident he didn't need to try - he only needed ot make it seem convincing. If he lost, Tomura woud grow and achieve AfO's stated ultimate goal. If he won, he won. If All Might ran, he won. AfO was in a win/win situation.

>Worldbuilding

Read slower.

>Who employs

Read slower.

>Branches

Read slower.

>Title

Read slower.

>Breeds socipaths

Read slower.

>I have heard bullshit explanations

[TN: I have heard logical explanations I don't like because I want to dilsike the series, and I'm not going to state any of them for you to approve or dispute]

>muh Shounenshit

You relly can't build an argument with resorting to that fucking point I have already disputed unchallenged. You're like a fucking battered housewife clinging onto the one argument you have.

>muh punch

Again, not representitive of the series.

tl;dr Read slower you fucking retard, half of your criticisms are as a result of you not paying attention or not thinking about what you're reading

Did Bleach experience a similar decline in imageboard discussion quality when it turned to shit?

>>917981

>Stain was a punching competition

>Iida/Ojiro vs Power Loader was a punching competition

>Shouji/Toru vs Snipe as a punching comptetition

>Shoto/Momo vs Aizawa was a punching competition

>Kaminari/Mina vs Nezu was a punching competition

>Tsuyu/Tokoyami vs Ectoplasm was a punching competition

>Deku/Bakugo vs All Might was a punching competition

>Dark Shadow was a punching comptetition

>Mustard was a punching competition

>Dabi was a punching competition

>Mr Compress was a punching competition

<etc

>>>>m-muh [Genre]shit is a valid argument!

I'm going to give you your ultimatum. Admit you haven't consumed the series and stop posting or stop posting in a thread whose series you haven't consumed.

You are a genuine fucking moron and whether you are aware of it or not, are actively bringing down the quality of the entire site with your sheer stupidity.

I'm not saying you can't critique the series, it's just plainly obvious that you either are not aware of the series' genuine flaws (pacing, some character motivations, cookie-cutter syndrome on some characters, lack of stakes in certain arcs, predictability based on given starter factors etc) or simply have not watched or read the series.

>>917838

Nobody had expectations for Bleach when it was running. People came for the waifus and stayed for the Kubo shenanighans.

Boku no Hero started off with promise and had a niche to fill as being an actual decent capeshit story at a time when the western capeshit industry was a trash fire full of awful pandering and liberal propaganda. Everything was firing on all cylinders until All Might got benched and now the story has been in a holding pattern ever since. Every arc seems more like people preparing for the story to happen instead of the story just happening.

Also Bleach was big at a time when most chan users were still in their late teens/early 20s and were able to have fun with silly bullshit instead of projecting their overly jaded cynicism onto it. They hadn't yet experienced their hobbies' painful declines and could still have faith in entertainment. I guarantee if Boku no Hero were big in the early 2010s everyone would have loved it unconditionally.

Post best girl

Cute and Pinkpilled

>>919641

>you will never go balls deep

I want to protect her smile.

>Shiggy gets shot in all limbs

>it stops him cold

>Toga has her blood explode in her veins

>she survives even though it is biological fact that even the slightest ruptures in circulatory systems can fucking kill you

This shit is garbage

So the plan is to trick Gigamong into annihilating the peoples front of metahumans or the metahuman peoples front who ever the fuck. How will that force Gigamong to accept Shigger as his tard wrangler?

>>920802

Basically this >>920839

But I'd be willing to take that risk anyway.

Really makes you think

>>922286

The cutest.

>quirk evolution

Hard to say whether I'm satisfied with it or not, during this situation.

>>923774

Whats with people and selectively reading this series?

Honestly, I've been enjoying this arc. This is a good fight.

>>923966

The first one somehow broke.

>>923963

>>923284

>>923966

>>923774

>>923784

>Toga can emulate quirks of whoever she transforms into

>this was only mentioned once on a sketchbook page in the back of Volume 19

>Volume 19 was published one year ago

Also why the fuck would she even attempt doing Ochako's quirk if she didn't know she could copy her quirk? Does Hori think this is how crazy people react under immense pressure?

>>924028

She possibly transformed into Ochako out of panic or intentionally did because of her autism because of pic related. Whether it was intentional or not doesnt matter the result was that she felt safer transformed.

While the the general function of Ochako's quirk and that touching the fingertips releases it she probably didnt know it was passive. First off she doesnt seem to inherently know any functionality of the quirk of the person she is transforming to. There isn't anything to directly state it but because it heavily implied in the story that quirks influence personality we can loop this around to Toga's autism over wanting to learn people (that as her fucking paraphilia towards blood). Judging by this we can safely assume that she doesnt know anything about a quirk inherently and only gains knowledge by observing her victims. So it makes sense that she would know one part about Ochako's quirk but not the other.

This might not be what you were asking but I just wanted it out there. Also it was NEVER mentioned she couldn't use other's quirk. Its only your assumption that created the bias that she can't and now that bothers you when it wasnt the right assumption. I though she couldn't as well, because nothing beforehand suggest she could, but I was wrong and accept it because it makes sense and doesn't contradict anything.

As for acting under pressure:

She is only autistic over her specific condition and has shown great competence prior and acts like a normal person (as normal as a go with the flow serial killer can be) the rest of the time.

On top of that Toga has been shown to be one of the most skilled/dexterous combatant in the story besides Mirio, Bakugo and Stain up to this point.

>>924413

>dismissing a series because it has proper plotting

>why does this series expect me to pay attention!?

I know Bleach and Naruto have created this expectation of (battle) shonen but thats no excuse to dismiss all of them as absolutely brainless.

For instance BNHA has only 1 (2 in 1 actually) asspulls so far despite it constantly being accused of asspulls.

>>924413

>"Muh Plot is simplistic"

"the plot isn't simplistic it's just hide itself in details and becomes more apparent over time"

>"muh it's shit because I don't want to have to remember stuff, I want stuff that I can get not invested in and complain then that it lacks subtance"

Won't you think that it would be more honest to admit that you just don't like the series subjectively because you are impermeable to its themes and way of storytelling rather that saying that is shit?

>>924868

>please spoonfeed me

>choking intensifies

>>926413

>>926409

>>923967

>>923963

>>923966

>>926533

F

>>926558

>>926533

>Toga will never bite you

>>926752

Would Hori really go as far as killing off a fan favorite with BnHA's current level of popularity and external merchandise investment?

Are asspull revival quirks a thing?

>>926656

You have to go back

>>924433

>mention something once in the back of a book

>one year goes by

>audience is bored to tears by plot that goes nowhere

>suddenly that thing you mentioned comes back up

>some people don't recall simply because the manga has made it impossible to care about anything

>"wtf why didn't you remember?"

Look, congrats to you if you have enough time in your life to reiterate yourself with every detail in BnHA, but the rest of us have jobs and school and shit. We don't have the time to play detective and look for minutia that may be important several years from now. Especially when there's currently little hope of the story getting off this eternal plateau it's been on the last few years.

>>927656

>Dude, what the fuck why does this series expect people to follow it?

You have literally no argument.

You want to say you don't follow it but because you don't follow it you say its bad. Its clear that you are just making shit up to be upset and should just shut the fuck up. If you hate this series so much that you cry how horribly boring it is so you have an excuse for not following then why are you still following it? Literal SJW behavior.

>Why are you so interested in a manga on a Anime and Manga imageboard!? Get a life loser!

>>927657

Shouldn't let your pessimism get in the way of enjoying the present.

>>927805

>>928213

What the fuck was this leap of logic?

>Twice becomes a villain because of cartoonishly bad luck

Is this a superhero comic or an episode of Hey Arnold?

>Twice almost NTR;d by himself

>His powerup comes from realizing he's the original Jun, thus curing him of his crazy

>>929340

Oh my.

>>929387

>Also, Toga a shit.

Sorry, you just invalidated all your other points by being way too wrong.

That was fast.

>>932237

>>I'm in hiding

>>I'm plotting

>>I'll return soon

Jeanist isn't plotting anything. The problem is that people have an expectation of him and are waiting for his return but he can't actually continue to be a hero since he is a cripple now and soon he will have to be public about it.

Now he's got a gun.

>>932628

>Guns aren't that threatening in the mha world

You wot?

I seem to recall the gas-guy with the revolver being a pretty big threat, if not for Tetsutetsu's steel skin Hands-Girl would be fucking dead.

Not to mention the teacher that straight up has a gun.

And wouldn't you know it, both Kaminari and Deku get gadgets that let them fire projectiles. What else fires projectiles? That's right, guns.

Fucking Momo keeps making gunpowder canons instead of just spawning an AK (with rubber bullets) or a shotgun loaded with beanbags. What the fuck can Hands-Girl realistically do against full auto fire? Shit, Pinkie, Grape-Head, Sero, and even Bakugo would be dead shit with a .45 to the head.

I can at least respect the old Justice League cartoons for portraying the police as a paramilitary force. Hell, you would think the Japanese police would have made a wing with weapons specifically to neutralize quirk criminals.

>>933251

That Gun-Anon here.

>Guns are only applicable when backed up by quirks

This is so dumb you're either baiting or haven't been paying attention.

Stain became a feared hero-killer through a very simple MO. Make an ambush, stab the target with normal blades, use quirk, and then finish off the paralyzed target. Now imagine that same MO, except he has a gun. The heroes don't wear kevlar, which means a body shot could kill, hell he doesn't even need his quirk. Just walk up to an unsuspecting hero and mag dump them into the afterlife. I imagine this is a cultural difference, Japan has very strict gun laws, so just don't think about. Hori sure as shit didn't.

>>933724

>Do you think Eraser-Head, Present Mic, Midnight or most pro-hero's that don't have some sort of invulnerability or super speed have nothing to fear from a 50 cal sniper rifle shot to the chest?

I don't even think you need to go that far. Very few heroes seem to be employing any sort of armor. I would think that crime focused heroes would wear kevlar, or at the very least stab proof materials (especially after Stain started getting stabby happy). But honestly, a 9mm would probably do the trick in many cases. Just look at Midnight's 1st costume, it's just an underbust and some straps.

>>933733

I was wondering about that, too. Surely you would think the nations would be recruiting powerful quirks into the army constantly. Hell, I was thinking there was going to be a military branch at the school. On the other hand, I would also accept if all the worlds nation had signed accords not to use quirks in their armies, sort of like with nuclear weapons. The interesting question would then be: What happens when nations break this promise?

>>933739

>I imagine this is a cultural difference, Japan has very strict gun laws, so just don't think about. Hori sure as shit didn't.

I'm not so sure about that. Isn't that also very common in burger capeshit? Guns are rarely a problem, even for heroes that don't have super thoughness or regen-powers. At least not usually. I'm sure there's cases in which this changes as soon as the writer needs drama. Hori probably just took this from the comics he likes.

If anything, guns not being a common problem makes more sense in a Japanese setting.

>>933747

>If anything, guns not being a common problem makes more sense in a Japanese setting

That was my point, although I would still like to know why they don't include stab-proof materials in their suits. Especially after Stain's killing spree.

>Isn't that also very common in burger capeshit?

Depends on the franchise/company. DC/Justice league deals with high-powered heroes that are rarely threatened by mundane weapons. I can think of at least three franchises which include guns in a threatening way.

While the titular character of Invincible is nigh indestructible, a lot of the supporting cast are mortal and I can remember at least one nearly dying to a gunshot wound.

Confessions of a D-List Supervillain is novel which shares a lot of things with MHA. God-like heroes, hero image consultants, heroes employed by the government, and heroes appearing in ads for cash. More importantly, it also features a high mortality rate for low tier heroes and many low tier villains augment their powers with guns.

Lastly, Deadpool may not be all that killed by guns, but guns are definitely harmful. Not just just to him, but also others in the same universe.

>>933770

>Lastly, Deadpool may not be all that killed by guns, but guns are definitely harmful. Not just just to him, but also others in the same universe.

Well yes and no, that was kinda the powerlevel that I meant. It's not just the killing power that make up the thread level. If the character would die from getting shot then the mob-enemies usually just miss. The X-Men universe is a perfect example for this. Let's say a bunch of baddies shoot at X-men characters.

>Colossus get's shot but the bullets sjust bounce off him

>Wolverine get's shot and hurt but he can take it

>Cyclops, Storm, Jubilee just don't get shot or grazed at best

Sure it depends on the author and situation but I think you know what you are getting at.Even if guns would kill a character, they don't usually pose that much of a thread to them.

With all then said, in regards to the original post:

>>932572

>>932628

They might be a thread if he uses it, insome cases. He could hurt or kill side characters/mooks but if it's against main characters then it's treated like a superpunch or laser beam from some other superpower. Just like it would be for Deadpool or the Punisher.

>quirk singularity

Oh boy! cant wait for the world ending quirk that will come later on because of muh quirk evolution. It will suuuure e fuun.

<and edit I'll still defend it

It would honestly be better if mha was western comics but with an actual story and not issue of the week no progression

>>933929

>western comics but with an actual story and not issue of the week no progression

Maybe Mori should make something like that in his own universe, if his Jump-slavemasters would only allow it. Seriously, the way they keep control over their mangaka I imagine you hear the LotR- Isengard Theme whenever you walk into their office.

>>933739

Either way it doesnt really fucking matter. Maybe its unrealistic, maybe guns just aren't effective enough or maybe there is an in universe social reason like they aren't liked or simply unpopular compared to flexing your flashy quirk. It hardly detracts from the series.

The art for any long running series is incredibly uninspired. It's plain and sterile. There's no development or experimentation over the years, it's just a flat product being sold. This panel in particular stood out to me because they could have done so much with it, and did nothing.

Every time I see fanart of Tsuyu, I smile. I dunno there's just something about her design or at least her humble but cute face that feels so genuine.

>characters can now get power ups for no reason

>one for all can hold multiple quirks AND make them stronger

So what's stoping hori from making it another western comic now?

>>934433

>Either way it doesnt really fucking matter

I disagree. This >>932628 was the initial statement that started the argument. Guns being the equivalent of a kitchen knife is retarded, just as I laid out in >>933739. Yes, some hardening quirks will circumvent conventional weapons, but not all.

>It hardly detracts from the series

Again, I disagree. Guns being ineffective or missing is, in my opinion, a symptom of a deeper issue with the series.

I've argued this in these threads before, and I'll argue it again, MHA needs a higher mortality rate. The consequences for the characters so far have been weak as shit. Deku gets a boo-boo so he gets a new sleeve. Deku fucks up his hand? New gloves that also let him aim his air-blasts. Iida gets an injury after seeking out Stain, well he keeps it as a reminder, but it also doesn't make him any less effective.

Class A have been unique in that they have faced extreme situations before their careers have even started, yet not a single one has died or decided not to pursue a different career. There have been frequent criticisms in these threads that the cast is too large and Hori has had plenty of chances to cull some of the cast, yet has chosen not to do so. I like the Grapist, but he should honestly have either died or quit to become a creep shot paparazzi (his quirk his perfect for that). Shit, at least have a couple of students quit over the gas attack.

So yes, I think it does detract from the series.

>>935774

>>935774

>You can argue anything you want, but that doesn't make it less retarded

Fucking Amen, Anon.

>>935771

Jumping Jesus, where to even begin?

>Mortality has nothing to do with guns being deadly

It kind of fucking does, if characters regularly get shot, injured, wounded, or maimed and suffer no consequences (or death).

>People can get completely (and more creatively might I add) mutilated with quirks

Whether they get hurt by gun or quirk is irrelevant, what matters are the lasting consequences, or lack thereof.

>This is a kids manga and it will always strive for the more optimistic approach so death wouldn't so prevalent

Nigger, you serious? This is the manga which featured an opening slime villain that wanted to assume Bakugo's body, an arc about a serial killer, and a subplot about a kid who lost both his parents in the line of duty. Death has been prevalent, it just never happens to the main cast, hence the fucking issue.

>I can also argue that the way things have been presented guns would hardly be effective

In that case you're willingly ignoring past events, like the time Snipe single-handedly neutralized Shigi with a gun. You better peddle faster, brainlet.

>>935791

Just to briefly follow up on this.

Yes, some quirks can neutralize bullets, but let's just see how many in Class A can neutralize one.

Red X's are self-explanatory, these characters's quirks do not stop bullets.

Green tick mark means the quirk stops bullets, which there is only one of: Kirishima.

Question mark means that these characters can potentially stop bullets.

>Tokoyami

His shadow is extremely powerful and seems able to soak tons of damage. However, gunfire produces flashes of light and most modern guns have room for flashlight attachments, so a decked out, or close range, gun could potentially take him out.

>Todoroki

It's unclear whether he could literally melt bullets out of the air (I doubt it), but his ice could certainly block gunfire.

>Hagakure

Stray bullets could harm her, but her quirk means she won't be targeted by a normal 9mm. A thermal scope would likely bypass her quirk as she is still vulnerable to temperature and it seems her invisibility seems to work by her skin bending light.

>Deku

He's currently still very vulnerable to damage, but going by All Might's power, he will likely be able to shrug off bullets when he masters his quirk.

>Momo

Bullets can still harm her, but she has the ability to spawn kevlar and bulletproof materials given the time to prepare.

Reposing before I get auto-deleted. God this board is shit.

>>935791

>Whether they get hurt by gun or quirk is irrelevant

Yes that was my fucking point.

>his is the manga which featured an opening slime villain that wanted to assume Bakugo's body, an arc about a serial killer, and a subplot about a kid who lost both his parents in the line of duty. Death has been prevalent, it just never happens to the main cast, hence the fucking issue.

Yes, thats my point again. In such a series characters that are not important or specifically marked for death are the ones who die. Important mains, semi-main and secondaries won't die.

>In that case you're willingly ignoring past events, like the time Snipe single-handedly neutralized Shigi with a gun. You better peddle faster, brainlet.

Literally one event when it shown to be effective and it was in the hands on a quirk user who user who uses his quirk to enhance the gun.

Is this called "aggressively agreeing"?

In other instances the gun either doesnt fucking work or the person gets disarmed extremely quickly.

<but the plot fucked over gasboy because he was vs 4iron

Have you stopped to consider that since hardening quirks are common (which also makes sense since they increase survivability thus their odds of being passed down) that many encounters guns arent a factor.

Plus the various hyper agile abilities that make it very hard to hit the person. Or other alternative fuck you abilities like that Yakuza goon that can yoink items from you. The acing is that characters have been shown to sustain bullshit tier impacts and trauma and then lived, either by simple cartoon logic or by the possibility that all human in BNHA as simply stronger the real life even without quirks.

Not saying guns don't work, but my point is that their effectiveness is drastically reduced due to various factors and thus it makes perfect sense people to prioritize their inborn abilities since they could more likely be able to compete with the opponent's abilities.

Maybe what has been shown in the series isnt simply 'plot convenience' and is possibly indicative of a certain trend within the world?

>>935803

>Plus guns are drastically more boring than even punching harder

That comes down to personal preference. Again, the initial start of the argument was >>932628, which is patently false.

>In such a series characters that are not important or specifically marked for death are the ones who die. Important mains, semi-main and secondaries won't die.

Sort of unclear, you said these stories are more optimistic, so death wouldn't be prevalent. But, without the threat of death or injury, the story loses its teeth.

I was on board for the first 100 or so chapters, but it's clear that the story lacks any kind of impact. Characters get injured, but it hardly ever lasts.

>Literally one event when it shows guns to be effective

Kind of, but we'll get to that.

>Is this called "aggressively agreeing"?

Probably more like a partial agreement, methinks.

>In other instances the gun either doesn't fucking work or the person gets disarmed extremely quickly

So, this comes down to story and plot. But again, the initial premise was >>932628. If this was the case, Stain would not have lasted as long as he did.

>Have you stopped to consider that since hardening quirks are common

I have, but between the two classes, only two characters have hardening quirks.

>Plus the various QUIRK abilities that make it very hard to hit the person

Hence the question marks in >>935801. Iida could also have made the ?-tier, but his quirk doesn't make him bulletproof. Sure, he might dodge some bullets, but at the behest of the story, he could tire out or simply mistime a dodge and get shot. Bottom line, some quirks will help you dodge damage (in any form it might take), but then it might as well come down to the story whether or not they get hurt.

>the possibility that all human in BNHA as simply stronger the real life even without quirks

Not buying that, the opening chapter presents the manga as taking place in our world, except that humans now get superpowers at birth.

>Not saying guns don't work

Then we agree.

>but my point is that their effectiveness is drastically reduced due to various factors and thus it makes perfect sense people to prioritize their inborn abilities

And this is where we disagree. As I mentioned before, both Deku and Kaminari get gadgets to extend their range, and Bakugo invents a move to extend his range and make it more accurate. Both of these examples are like making a gun but with an extra step, namely having to use the quirk.

>Maybe what has been shown in the series isnt simply 'plot convenience' and is possibly indicative of a certain trend within the world?

I pondered something similar in >>933739. It could come down to a unspoken cultural difference, but that strikes me as lazy and I suspect Hori hasn't really thought his setting through.

This is running long, I apologize.

<but the plot fucked over gasboy because he was vs 4iron

It kind of did. That was not a one-sided fight, Hands-Girl had to dodge the gun and even 4Iron was running out of steam due to the gas. They both needed to be there to defeat Mustard. I'm actually glad the Class B crew won the fight, but Hori could easily justify one of them dying/retiring in the process.

>>935810

>Not buying that, the opening chapter presents the manga as taking place in our world, except that humans now get superpowers at birth.

Oh come the fuck on nigger, the story has consistently shown people take absurd impacts and live.

No less than a fucking assault rifle would be needed to take down fucking Rappa or Endeavor without using their quirks.

>but that strikes me as lazy and I suspect Hori hasn't really thought his setting through

Guns have made an appearance multiple times. If anything what he has shown proves my point that guns are mainly used in combination with appropriate quirks.

And the point that heroes aren't specifically death squads and operate based on an image. Heroes go for a general image and not 100% effectiveness or to kill villains.

Plus the fact that it makes sense for characters in-universe to prefer exercising their quirk over some other weapon. If anything there has been a massive cultural shift to developing tools to use in conjunction with your body and quirk over other weaponry since quirks themselves provide a far more versatile and deadly/effective power. Gun are stuck at our time whiles costumes and support gear made by support tailors and corporations like Detnorat show significantly more advanced technology. This goes back to the question of mortality, if anything quirks are significantly more deadly than guns and in multiple case yes a character getting hit by some quirk should have fucking killed them so this goes the same with gun.

In the end its not about making perfect sense and more so what is cooler. And guns are fucking boring compared to disintegration and vine hair. This argument boils down to arguing over the legitimacy of cartoon physics. The series' theme is "Heroism and the effect of superpowers on society", either guns are fucking shittier or out of favor and the series is better without them.

>>935824

>Oh come the fuck on nigger, the story has consistently shown people take absurd impacts and live

And that's entirely Hori's fault for wanting his cake and eating it, too. The story is stuck between classic superheroes smashing through buildings and others getting paralyzed after being stabbed in the spine.

The rules are not consistent, hence our current argument.

> If anything what he has shown proves my point that guns are mainly used in combination with appropriate quirks

Sure, that's all we have seen. But from the injures sustained by other characters, guns should be lethal, just as they are now.

>heroes aren't specifically death squads

Rubber bullets, pepper balls, several types of gas, and taser ammo exists today. Guns don't need to be lethal to be effective tools in law enforcement.

See Deku and Kaminari's gadgets, again. Shit, give the Grapists a slingshot and his balls would be an effective nonlethal way to apprehend criminals.

>Gun are stuck at our time whiles costumes and support gear made by support tailors and corporations like Detnorat show significantly more advanced technology

No, just, no. If technology has advanced to accommodate quirks, I guarantee you it would also have advanced to accommodate normal humans. How else would the police force ever stop anyone with a quirk? They have iron maidens, clearly all technology has evolved and its Hori's fault for not thinking this through.

>A character getting hit by some quirk should have fucking killed them so this goes the same with gun

>This goes back to the question of mortality

Yes, Hori is inconsistent on this. We agree.

>And guns are fucking boring compared to disintegration and vine hair

Personal preference. My issue is that some of the heroes quirks would be outclassed by guns, certainly if they are outdone by blades.

>This argument boils down to arguing over the legitimacy of cartoon physics

To an extent, sure. But, I would say it's more about consistency in writing/stakes.

>The series' theme is: 'Heroism and the effect of superpowers on society'

Sure, but the police still exists and they use guns. So, Hori needs to take a stand. Are guns and mundane weapons useless or aren't they. And if they are useless, why even have the police at all (except as grunts that clean up after the heroes)?

>>935825

Amen.

>>935828

>Again, this isn't that kinds of stories where its a slaughter of established characters

That may well be the case, but as I explained in >>934663 the series is weaker for it. It also clashes with the tone where injury and death routinely harm those not in the main cast. Hori may well be inspired by Western media, but the big difference there is the fact that heroes always save the day. And sure, part of it is personal taste.

>>935830

>Rubber bullets, pepper balls, several types of gas, and taser ammo exists today.

<thinking any of this will have any effect

>No, just, no.

getting a bit invested i see

>If technology has advanced to accommodate quirks, I guarantee you it would also have advanced to accommodate normal humans.

<ignoring the social change and disparity leaving quirkless in the dust

>How else would the police force ever stop anyone with a quirk?

They can't, not once has the police been able to do shit. Its heroes who do the fighting, the police mostly handle investigation, legal and administrative work. This is even brought up in-universe.

>My issue is that some of the heroes quirks would be outclassed by guns, certainly if they are outdone by blades.

Anything above low-tier is superior.

>but if you shoot x in the head he dies

Doesn't change the fact that quirks have far more use and that people who can be more easily killed by guns would far more effective vs others that can't be defeated by guns.

>Sure, but the police still exists and they use guns.

And they are fucking shit.

>And if they are useless, why even have the police at all (except as grunts that clean up after the heroes)?

Like I said above.

>It also clashes with the tone where injury and death routinely harm those not in the main cast.

Main characters have been maimed multiple times and often (if not most of the time) they have ramifications and/or character's .. well, character significants.

>And sure, part of it is personal taste.

And you have shit taste.

>>935831

<thinking any of this will have any effect

>Still not paying any attention

Kaminari's quirk is basically him being a human taser, Sero is a tape machine dispenser, and the Grapist has sticky balls. Yet, all of these are effective heroes. Yes, I think several of those things would have an effect. Especially after we went over the gas battle which 4Fe would have lost if he didn't have Kendo as backup.

>getting a bit invested i see

Nigger, I have posted several times on a board with no fake internet points, of course I'm invested. MHA had tons of potential when it first arrived, but it following it has been like seeing a friend dying of cancer. Sure, it looked like they were going to pull through the rough patches, however, it is now clear that MHA is dying on life-support.

<ignoring the social change and disparity leaving quirkless in the dust

>Ignoring the argument about regular ass cops still being around

See, I can dance around the argument, too.

>not once has the police been able to do shit

>the police mostly handle investigation, legal and administrative work

Again, this is Hori being a shit writer. There exists an experimental drug which can suppress the quirks of others, yet it's the fucking Yakuza that made it. Not the government, military, or police force. All of whom clearly need it to avoid another hostile takeover like the time before All Might. Suneater lost his quirk for several hours and Mirio lost his permanently (for now). Government spooks should have been all over this. Batman has a plan to stop all other supers for a reason.

>Anything above low-tier is superior

Sure would be neat if Hori explained this, huh.

>they have ramifications

Im-fucking-plying! Since when has an injury on the main cast had ANY lasting effect that couldn't be magically reversed by Nurse Granny or some gadget?

>And you have shit taste

Says the /a/utist defending is shitty shonen. Projection, hallowed be thy name.

>>935832

>Kaminari's quirk is basically him being a human taser, Sero is a tape machine dispenser, and the Grapist has sticky balls. Yet, all of these are effective heroes.

Do you have damage? All over those and much much stronger than their tool counterpart plus the fact that its not some item that can be rendered ineffective.

>See, I can dance around the argument, too.

Say they are around, the world isnt perfect. Deku states at the start at the series that society and laws are still adjusting.

>yet it's the fucking Yakuza that made it

No it wasn't, they distribute it.

>All of whom clearly need it to avoid another hostile takeover like the time before All Might. Suneater lost his quirk for several hours and Mirio lost his permanently (for now). Government spooks should have been all over this. Batman has a plan to stop all other supers for a reason.

And they are. They knew the distribution pipeline and FatGum have worked with the police on the subject.

>Sure would be neat if Hori explained this, huh.

Holy shit nigger not everything needs to explicitly stated unless you are a retard. Let me ask you, do you understand all the little technicalities of Overhaul's quirk?

>Im-fucking-plying! Since when has an injury on the main cast had ANY lasting effect that couldn't be magically reversed by Nurse Granny or some gadget?

I happened with Deku multiple time and every time it prompted him to develop new ways to better control his power and even resulted in an entire change in fighting style to keep him hands less stressed.

Endeavor's scar and symbolic meaning towards his family and his attempts and reparation.

Mirio lost his quirk which not directly related to injury but was a consequence from the battle.

Iida for instance didnt really sustain that much of a severe injury but its scar serves as a reminder of the lesson he learned.

All Might, nuff said.

All for One too.

Nighteye fucking died.

Twice's trauma and self doubts are/were very much related to physical injury though his is more abstract. Plus his whole reaction and guilt towards Magne's death.

Eri basically became a slave to Chisaki's will over the consistent mutilation and mental torment.

Best Jeanist was basically forced to retire. Might be kill now though.

Injuries are generally a catalyst for change for a character and have self-reflective implication on the characters. The three instances where it didnt really matter was Amajiki, Kirishima and Hawks not losing his wings permanently.

>Says the /a/utist defending is shitty shonen.

Just because you are too fucking stupid for a shonen doesnt make it bad.

I'd like tho restate my previous point regarding guns.

>>933771

That's just how guns work in a superhero setting. No, it isn't realistic but since he wants to recreate those kinds of comics it isn't going to be.

>>935846

>That's just how guns work in a superhero setting

We've moved past that bit, but I hear you. See >>934663, it's more about Hori flip-flopping on how deadly his setting is.

>No, it isn't realistic but since he wants to recreate those kinds of comics it isn't going to be

The thing Hori has missed though, is that DC still has cops that use conventional weapons against conventional criminals. Therefore, it makes sense that cops are still around in a setting with Batman and Superman. In MHA, it seems like nearly every villain is powered by a quirk, so if >>935831 this held any water, the government would have scrapped cops and replaced them with heroes entirely. They are prevalent in several scenes and still using gear comparable to our own, even if it's piss poor.

Sure would be nice if they could get some of those gadgets like better armor, but it's not like this is being developed.

Oh, wait.

>>935843

>All over those and much much stronger than their tool counterpart

Only because you say so.

>plus the fact that its not some item that can be rendered ineffective

I would agree, except we have yet to see Deku's gadgets get wrecked in battle.

>the world isnt perfect. Deku states at the start at the series that society and laws are still adjusting

The MC stated the world isn't perfect once, fuck, all criticisms are off, boys.

>Holy shit nigger not everything needs to explicitly stated

No, but it sure would be nice if MHA was written consistently.

>Let me ask you, do you understand all the little technicalities of Overhaul's quirk?

No, nor did I ever advocate for every technical detail being explained. I simply want consistent writing and world-building.

>No it wasn't, they distribute it.

No, listen here you, dick-shitter. I, embarrassingly, know your own ass-manga better than you. The Yakuza both made and distributed it, so check-and-fucking-mate.

>Deku

See the gadget comment.

>Endeavour

It's like arguing woth Korra-niggers all over again. She got a haircut, it totally counts as character development, jesus. His character development was well under way before he got the scar.

>Mirio

Let's see how long it lasts. I don't for a second believe that he stays quirkless.

>Iida

So, the scar/injury didn't matter.

>All Might/All for One

All Might and All For One burnt each other up, which is a fine conclusion. I'll give you that one.

>Nighteye

Weren't you the one arguing that secondary/tertiary characters didn't matter? Because this is a kids manga, damn it!

>Twice

He was already broken before he even entered the story. That said, I do like his character arc.

>Eri

Again, happened before we even saw it. Also, she's a secondary/tertiary character.

>Jeanist

T E R T I A R Y C H A R A C T E R

>Injuries are generally a catalyst for change for a character

They certainly can be, but I was asking about the main cast, since those were the sacred cows not to be harmed according to... you.

>Just because you are too fucking stupid for a shonen doesnt make it bad

Heh, did I hit a nerve? Getting tired of having to cover Hori's poor writing?

I bet you still like Bakugo, too.

>>935915

>Only because you say so.

holy shit faggot thats literally how its shown in the series, are you actually me telling me this made up think is not as the author says it is aka quirks?

>I would agree, except we have yet to see Deku's gadgets get wrecked in battle.

Is this bait? Deku constantly wrecks his fucking shit almost every fight?

>The MC stated the world isn't perfect once, fuck, all criticisms are off, boys.

So you want a perfect world or a realistic world? Does this go back to "real life is badly written" because sure sounds like you are making this point.

>No, nor did I ever advocate for every technical detail being explained. I simply want consistent writing and world-building.

Then you are a hypocritical faggot who implicatively explain something to himself whiles hand-waving the things he doesnt care about.

>The Yakuza both made and distributed it, so check-and-fucking-mate.

No you lying faggot, the Yakuza didnt make it and only distributed it. The Yakuza made the quirk-erasers, not the boosters. They distributed both.

>See the gadget comment.

So you are going to ignore everything else I said about OfA? And characters taking special precautions through tools isnt fucking nothing.

>It's like arguing woth Korra-niggers all over again. She got a haircut, it totally counts as character development, jesus. His character development was well under way before he got the scar.

No you faggot, Whorra's short hair was trying to convey "she totally changed trust me" and never went through with it. Endeavor's scar is representative of the scars he made on his family in a way wearing the wounds of his own action. Notice how he got nicked where All Might's wound is, that represent the difficulties and sacrafices of being the number one hero as Endeavor tries to desperately mantle the crown he doesn't deserve. It didn't start with it, but its part of the process.

>Let's see how long it lasts. I don't for a second believe that he stays quirkless.

<upset over things that havent happened yet

>So, the scar/injury didn't matter.

Did you miss the part where he specifically doesnt get the operation to fix the admittedly minor nerve damage in his arm until he feels he is lives up to his ideal?

>Weren't you the one arguing that secondary/tertiary characters didn't matter? Because this is a kids manga, damn it!

Holy shit faggot, I said none established characters/characters without much screen time and characters SPECIFICALLY MARKED for death are allowed to die. Its called a death flag.

>T E R T I A R Y C H A R A C T E R

Doesnt change the fact that it mattered and had a serious effect. Of course main characters probably won't be maimed out of existence but I said there is still plenty of effect.

>Heh, did I hit a nerve? Getting tired of having to cover Hori's poor writing?

No, I'm getting tired of retards saying something is poorly written because they can't understand a story they themselves claim is overly-simple.

>I bet you still like Bakugo, too.

No, he has been a worthless character after their second fight and is inferior to Deku in almost everything. Now that the tables have turned their previous dynamic of "your amazing kacchan i want to surpass you" into "fuck off nerd" has been replaced with the no conflict "I'm going to beat you damn nerd" into "oh hey kacchan, nice weather today, dont you thing?"

>>935978

>Why would someone want to defend Hori's bad writing?

Did you skip the last twenty posts?

>>936012

>holy shit faggot thats literally how its shown in the series

Sure, to an extent. All Might is fucking god-tier and beats out mundane gadgets, no question. But without the spike in power at around the Yakuza arc, gadgets and conventional weapons still had a fighting chance. With what we saw in the beginning of the series, there's no reason why normal weapons shouldn't work against some of the low-tier heroes.

>Deku constantly wrecks his fucking shit almost every fight?

Read the post again, I said his GADGETS have yet to be destroyed in a fight. This means his injuries might as well not be there, because the gadgets make up for any imagined shortcomings.

>So you want a perfect world or a realistic world?

I want a consistent world. And you pointing out that Deku said the world was flawed once does not excuse poor writing. I see you've tactically ignored every criticism I made of the police force, and I don't blame you, because it's a fucking mess. Don't try to push some shit dichotomy, mate.

>Then you are a hypocritical faggot

Pot-kun meet kettle-chan.

>implicatively explain something to himself whiles hand-waving the things he doesnt care about

Since when? I simply pointed out that MHA is a constant clash of tone and stakes. I never once advocated for powers being explained down to the exact science, I don't care, as long as the consequences are consistent. If guns and knives are shown as being lethal in one chapter, but people then get thrown though a building, it reduces the stakes.

>No you lying faggot, the Yakuza didnt make it and only distributed it.

Did you even read the post, you knob-head? I never mentioned the boosters once, you did. I only ever mentioned that the quirk-erasers would be useful to the world governments and it's dumb that it's the criminals making them. Look at the 4th pic in >>935915.

>So you are going to ignore everything else I said about OfA?

Yes, because you clearly didn't read the post. Deku does get injured, but he has gotten away with it every single time. Then he gets some new shoes, but then later he also gets some gloves and a cool new sleeve, so it's all good, man.

>Endeavor

I like Endeavor, but his attempts to mend the ties with his family started before he got the scar. In chapter 160-170, he again tries to approach his son. Is the scar a wake up call? Sure. But more so for Icey-Hot as he sees daddy get beat up on TV. Also, the scar hasn't dropped his fighting prowess. At least with Eraser Head the injury and scar reduced the time he can keep his eyes open for.

>upset over things that haven't happened yet

Upset? Hardly. Cynical, or pessimistic, is the word I'd use.

>Did you miss the part where he specifically doesn't get the operation

No, because as I pointed out in >>934663, it didn't actually reduce his fighting prowess, which was my entire point. Read the post, again. And then once more, because you clearly have the retention of a small child.

>characters SPECIFICALLY MARKED for death are allowed to die

Curious how you brought them up then when I specifically asked for main characters then. Maybe you should have read the post...

I'll help you, I would argue the main cast is All Might and the majority of Class A. There, get cracking.

Also, this was always my criticism. I think the story is weaker for sacrificing the supporting cast without touching the main one.

>No, I'm getting tired of retards saying something is poorly written because they can't understand a story they themselves claim is overly-simple

That's because you're actually reading the arguments as became extremely clear from this post.

>No, he has been a worthless character after their second fight

Oh, thank the lord! Not all hope is lost with this one.

>>936026

> But without the spike in power at around the Yakuza arc,

What spike? Onahole's quirk was busted but everything else was per usual.

>gadgets and conventional weapons still had a fighting chance.

<had

well now they dont, boo hoo

>With what we saw in the beginning of the series, there's no reason why normal weapons shouldn't work against some of the low-tier heroes.

So? Hardly anything in the series pertains to street thugs. In fact street thugs get fucking defecated on by the characters the series follows. Maybe guns are still relevant in street gang.

>I want a consistent world. And you pointing out that Deku said the world was flawed once does not excuse poor writing. I see you've tactically ignored every criticism I made of the police force, and I don't blame you, because it's a fucking mess. Don't try to push some shit dichotomy, mate.

The police being fucking useless makes more fucking sense within the context of the series because of the massive social and service shift. It makes perfect sense that a former establishment may fall out of relevance or need a overhaul to retain its usefulness. The fact that the series addresses this is good writing you stupid troglodyte.

>Pot-kun meet kettle-chan.

<argument

You still haven't told me how

> I simply pointed out that MHA is a constant clash of tone and stakes.

Different arcs shift different themes. This is completely normal. And steaks don't have to consistently increase. In fact changing steaks is a nice change of in the formula that other in the genre should also adhere to.

>If guns and knives are shown as being lethal in one chapter, but people then get thrown though a building, it reduces the stakes.

Guns and knives were never fucking relevant. This dichotomy you speak of doesnt exist.

>I only ever mentioned that the quirk-erasers would be useful to the world governments and it's dumb that it's the criminals making them.

Did you forget that prior to the events Nighteye was conducting investigations and quirk eraser-bullets only recently with Amajiki being shot became known. They fucking destroyed the entire organization like days after this. I highly fucking doubt the government would take Eri in to start mutilating her themselves.

>Deku does get injured, but he has gotten away with it every single time. Then he gets some new shoes, but then later he also gets some gloves and a cool new sleeve, so it's all good, man.

Deku hasn't gotten away with shit. The constant accumulation of injuries made him improve his technique.

<"And characters taking special precautions through tools isnt fucking nothing."

>Cynical, or pessimistic, is the word I'd use.

Boo hoo. Its always the same pessimism with none of the justification.

>it didn't actually reduce his fighting prowess, which was my entire point.

Again, this a complain on the genre. Injuries in BNHA mainly serve for character drama and less about actually long-term disadvantaging them. Keyword "less" because there are multiple instances where injuries lead to lasting disability. Maybe not in the main cast, but again, this is a problem of the genre. Or maybe the current word is just "characteristic" of the genre.

>Also, this was always my criticism. I think the story is weaker for sacrificing the supporting cast without touching the main one.

Fucking shonen. I'm reading battle shonens for being a battle shonen, everything else is icing. If it decides to go that route - good, a pleasant surprise. If it doesn't - whatever, it would be stupid to expect more from something not known for it.

>That's because you're actually reading the arguments as became extremely clear from this post.

I'm going to assume you meant "aren't reading the arguments". I misinterpreted 2. Which I even addressed indirectly if you actually bother to read my posts as a whole.

>Oh, thank the lord! Not all hope is lost with this one.

You are in the deep end, pal. You would bitch about anything, I simply recognize some flaws that you would instantly agree with because you think everything is a flaw. Or at least that is how you sound before you go fucking pedantic on me.

>>936039

>What spike? Onahole's quirk was busted but everything else was per usual

C'mon dude, you what I'm talking about, you even admit it in the same post. In the latest chapters, Twice is literally summoning an entire army and Sociopath Shigi can now spread his disintegrate to people he isn't even touching. Hell, Toga practically mastered the gravity quirk without having used it even once.

>well now they dont, boo hoo

So you admit there's been a spike in power, Christ you're thick.

>Maybe guns are still relevant in street gang

If guns are only relevant to street gangs, then why does Toga, Stain, and a slew of other characters still use knives? Hori is a shitter and you know it, c'mon now.

>The fact that the series addresses this is good writing you stupid troglodyte

But it doens't, you absolute fuck-nugget. In the pics I posted in >>935915 you still have regular ass cops in regular ass gear. Why does riot cops with SMGs show up to fight with All Might if all they're likely to do is get hurt? Good qustion, no one knows. Excellent writing, Hori-San.

If Hori had any fucking sense, the beat cops would be gone and replaced with heroes. Detectives and desk jockeys would still be needed obviously, but if you were to follow your own logic, the boys in blue would be all but gone.

>You still haven't told me how

Because I never once advocated for powers being fully explained, you absolute ham-roll. Go check the wiki if you really want to know, hell, you might even learn a thing or two.

But I'll humor you. The best powers in MHA are the onces you can explain fairly easily. Muscle dude can quickly generate more muscle mass, Deku is able to quickly gather energy to spend, Bakugo sweats nitroglycerin and is able to produce sparks, Tsu is a human DNA-spliced with a frog, etc. Powers that get overly complicated or can't be easily explained tend to ruin things down the line (I would put Mirio into this category).

>Guns and knives were never fucking relevant. This dichotomy you speak of doesnt exist

Stain would like a word with you, idiot.

>quirk eraser-bullets only recently with Amajiki being shot became known

That's my whole point, quirk suppressant should be extremely sought because of their value. Think of the prison system in MHA, you would want a surefire way of keeping the worst criminals locked away. They have the collars in X-Men for this very reason.

> I highly fucking doubt the government would take Eri in to start mutilating her themselves

Whether by mutilation or experimentation, Japan was literally ruled by AfO in a brief period. This is a world where if Superman is born on the wrong side, the entire society has a chance of collapsing. Those in power need safety measures, this is common fucking sense.

>Deku hasn't gotten away with shit. The constant accumulation of injuries made him improve his technique

Oh c'mon, man. He has injured his arms at least once every single arc and every single time, he was just, alomst, just where he could have permanently damaged them. Stop spreading this pig slop.

>Boo hoo. Its always the same pessimism with none of the justification

Because the man cast has yet to sustain a permanent injury. What would make Hori change when idiots like you eat it all up anyways?

>>936039

>Maybe not in the main cast, but again, this is a problem of the genre

So you admit I'm right. Hallelujah! Progress is made at last.

>Fucking shonen

Advocating for low standards.

Alright, alright, alright.

>I'm going to assume you meant "aren't reading the arguments"

Hey, you is smart!

>Which I even addressed indirectly if you actually bother to read my posts as a whole

Which ones?

>You are in the deep end, pal

Says the man posting decade old memes.

>You would bitch about anything

I've admitted to liking several things already. The first 100 chapters, Endeavor, the fight between All Might and One for All, and Twice. I'll even add one more, just because you're special. But not because I like you, b-baka.

I personally really enjoy Kirishima, even if he does seem to lose a lot, because someone has too, I guess. I liked the reveal where we seem him fail to act in a situation where he needed to be heroic, a moment which was enhanced by Pinkie being there to save the day, and now Kirishima looks up to her. I wish the two would get some screen time, 'cus that thread has potential.

>you go fucking pedantic on me

If we can't get /a/utistic on this board it might as well just be SFW /h/

>>936041

>Twice is literally summoning an entire army and Sociopath Shigi can now spread his disintegrate to people he isn't even touching. Hell, Toga practically mastered the gravity quirk without having used it even once.

Those abilities were present prior, one was handy capped prior, the other simply recieved application through training and Toga was the only one who developed more complexity to the ability. But the series prior had already presented incredibly power abilities at the time besides OfA/AfO.

For instance: Tokoyami, Shoto, Present Mic, Muscular, Moonfish, Cementoss, etc.

What made Overhaul busted was its sheer versatility.

>So you admit there's been a spike in power, Christ you're thick.

No, more like your admittance that guns and gadgets were always shit because the power scale has always been relatively the same.

>Why does riot cops with SMGs show up to fight with All Might if all they're likely to do is get hurt?

Because as I already said they act as the lawful/legal and administrative body. They quarantine areas, they actually arrest the villains, etc. Heroes effectively only have the right of violence towards criminals.

>Because I never once advocated for powers being fully explained, you absolute ham-roll.

And I said in my post that its fucking hypocritical to expect exact explanations of one thing and then hand-wave others. In fact the exact mechanics of quirks is much more relevant than what you talk about being an issue.

>Go check the wiki if you really want to know

This is a question towards you, you fucking shitter, because you can't comprehend and make logical deduction through implication. I'm asking specifically about Overhaul's quirk because not everything that can be learned about the quirk is written out but can be deduced through thinking and observing. For instance I remember people having problems with him being able to kill himself and then revive with his quirk and can't explain why its possible. If you actually think and look you can deduce that him activating his quirk is always one "command" of which he has 2 - destroy and (destroy and reform). This is why he can kill himself and instantly revive. By this we can deduce that once he give the "command" of destroy he can back out midway and decide to actually reform as well. None of this is said anywhere and its not the only thing. And that was my point, not everything has to be stated for you to understand how something works. This seems off-topic but the point is that you are bitching about shit not only not that important but also things that don't need to be fully elaborated upon and you are a hypocrite for demanding it for one and not the other.

>Stain would like a word with you, idiot.

Stain only needed to nick you. Again, its a weapon working on conjunction with a quirk, proving my point.

>That's my whole point, quirk suppressant should be extremely sought because of their value. Think of the prison system in MHA, you would want a surefire way of keeping the worst criminals locked away. They have the collars in X-Men for this very reason.

They clearly already fucking do it and Aizawa is left to roam free. Its very much clear that they don't need it and are capable of suppressing when captured. They would have most likely tried to study the bullet but Shiggy stole them and they clearly don't need it enough to put people with quirk erasing potential into some programs and experiments.

>Oh c'mon, man. He has injured his arms at least once every single arc and every single time, he was just, alomst, just where he could have permanently damaged them. Stop spreading this pig slop.

He has sustained permanent damage, that is exactly why he was forced to develop, before it resulted in direct disability. You are fucking upset over a character making a wise choice?

>Because the man cast has yet to sustain a permanent injury.

Yes they have. Hell the biggest example (which you yourself stated was part of the main cast) is All Might, just because the initial injury happened prior to the story doesnt mean you can fucking ignore it.

>What would make Hori change when idiots like you eat it all up anyways?

Because it doesnt need to change. People are enjoying something and then some vocal retard like you comes out and says how fucking shit it is and needs to change because you don't like it.

>So you admit I'm right. Hallelujah! Progress is made at last.

Good job ignoring the second sentence you mongrel. Problem because you view it as a problem.

>Advocating for low standards.

No, its just you advocating for your fallacy of complete realism. Its not about advocating low standard, its about you dismissing everything that doesn't meet your highest standards. And all these regard you bring against BNHA the series itself is leaps and bounds better than its contemporaries and predecessors. (Though you might bring up One Piece since I've heard its super-duper good at world-building bu have never read it)

>Which ones?

Iida's injury and the goberment following the Yakuza and their interest in quirk erasing. I even did it in this post.

Injuries should ultimately have meaning in the story. Same goes for disabilities. There is no point in considering it a flaw if its not permanent disabilities if the story effectively acknowledges them and works them in as a factor. They may not get disabled, but they have to actively work around and avoid it. Actually going through with the disability part is the "better" route but its an alternative route dependent on the theme of the story.

I feel like you are dumbing down writing with how every story should have a universal requirement for its individual elements.

>If we can't get /a/utistic on this board it might as well just be SFW /h/

How many more walls of text do you want? Because I can open any can if you want.

>>936051

>Those abilities were present prior

Yes, which I already pointed out in >>935801. I'm more than willing to accept that certain powers bypass regular gadgets and weapons.

>one was handicapped prior, the other simply received application through training

So their powers improved, hence my point. Now if powers improve, and guns don't, it would seem there has been a spike in power, which you all but admitted to in >>936039.

>No, more like your admittance that guns and gadgets were always shit

I absolutely haven't and I'll elaborate further down.

>Cops act as the lawful/legal and administrative body. They quarantine areas, they actually arrest the villains, etc. Heroes effectively only have the right of violence towards criminals

Which is retarded. Cut out the middleman, let the heroes take the role of cops. There's no reason to have ineffective grunts running around liable to get hurt when the big boys are leveling an entire city block.

>its fucking hypocritical to expect exact explanations of one thing and then hand-wave others

I never wanted a full explanation, my entire point has been that series doesn't explain shit and then keeps presenting contradictory events.

>you can't comprehend and make logical deduction through implication

Says the anon making leaps of logic in order to excuse his shit series.

>things that don't need to be fully elaborated upon

Sure. And I generally agree with your breakdown of Beak-Head, his quirk is essentially molecular manipulation. A less OP Dr. Manhattan, if you will.

>the point is that you are bitching about shit not only not that important

Clearly we value different things in media. You want spectacle and I want consistency. Doesn't make me a hypocrite, it just means I take issue with shit you clearly don't care about.

>>936052

>Stain only needed to nick you. Again, its a weapon working on conjunction with a quirk, proving my point

I was waiting for you to go there, because it's blatantly wrong.

>pic fucking related

Stain killing a Nomu by striking it in the brain with nothing but a knife, yet not a single one of the trained cops thought to shoot the deadly monsters in their exposed brain. Hori and you did and oopsie, dear.

>Its very much clear that they don't need it and are capable of suppressing when captured

Once again forgetting that AfO ruled Japan before All Might stopped him. Sure, the Iron Maidens keep someone locked in ONCE captured. But boy, sure would be smart with a dart gun that could suppress quirks, eh. Especially if you are going to have armed cops running around.

>You are fucking upset over a character making a wise choice?

No, I think it's bullshit Deku kept just skirting by permanent damage despite being told multiple times not to break anymore bones. Besides, his kick-style didn't last long before he got gloves that not only shield his hands, but also allow him to aim his blasts. Like I said in >>934663.

>All Might

I already admitted I liked his fall in >>935915. However, All Might didn't just lose his powers due to the injury, passing on OfA also had a hand in it.

>pic related, again

>Because it doesnt need to change

There was that low standard knocking, again.

>No, its just you advocating for your fallacy of complete realism

If I advocated for complete realism I would never read a superhero story, c'mon man. This bait is getting weak.

>Its not about advocating low standard, its about you dismissing everything that doesn't meet your highest standards

Because the first 100 chapters were really good, that's what gave me high standards, but Hori clearly didn't map out his story and now his short deadlines are biting him in the ass.

>>936063

>Yes, which I already pointed out in

But my point is that the series didnt increase in power level since various strong abilities were always present.

>I'm more than willing to accept that certain powers bypass regular gadgets and weapons.

We both agreed that lower tier power can be surpassed by gadgets and weapons. But the point is the series doesn't deal with these lower tier powers often. Civvies probably get fucked by quirks and guns alike. Trained heroes and villains wouldnt/have abilities vastly superior. Of course there are some absolute shitter heroes that get fucked a well.

>So their powers improved, hence my point.

Their power improved but even improved power prior to the Onahole arc were already at that level of better.

>Which is retarded. Cut out the middleman, let the heroes take the role of cops. There's no reason to have ineffective grunts running around liable to get hurt when the big boys are leveling an entire city block.

But that is a realistic flaw in a system. Governments and legislations in the real world can be even worse. In fact its not even a minority.

>my entire point has been that series doesn't explain shit and then keeps presenting contradictory events.

It hasn't, as I said, gun are unreliable due to the vast diversity of quirks. So if people have opted to use conventional weaponry in conjunction with their suitable quirk for mutual benefit. This is completely inline with everything fucking shown.

>Says the anon making leaps of logic in order to excuse his shit series.

Everything I say has been presented in the series. I just put 2 and 2 together. Something you seem to be incapable of.

>You want spectacle and I want consistency.

Clearly my entire argument is that it IS consistent.

>Doesn't make me a hypocrite, it just means I take issue with shit you clearly don't care about.

Yes you are, you demand something for one thing and then not the other whiles flaunting that something as very important.

>I was waiting for you to go there, because it's blatantly wrong.

<uses his swords to draw blood for which he uses his quirk to incapacitate them more easily

HOW IS THIS WRONG?

>Stain killing a Nomu by striking it in the brain with nothing but a knife, yet not a single one of the trained cops thought to shoot the deadly monsters in their exposed brain. Hori and you did and oopsie, dear.

Stain used the Noumu's blood to paralyze it. Proving my point yet again. Also there is reason people in real life are trained to aim for the body. Because the head is hard to hit. I think you did the oopsie, faggot.

>Sure, the Iron Maidens keep someone locked in ONCE captured. But boy, sure would be smart with a dart gun that could suppress quirks, eh. Especially if you are going to have armed cops running around.

You are forgetting prior to the rise of the League of Villains due to All Might thing were considered very much under control. Prior to that there most likely wasnt an opportunity. Maybe they are simply afraid of the catastrophic fucking shitshow it would be if such a thing was developed and used? Considering that quirks society is wrapped around heroes and quirks are very much connect to the person's identity both socially and biologically doing such a thing is basically asking for mass public unrest. In fact if they did that I imagine its auto-win for the Meta Liberation Army.

>No, I think it's bullshit Deku kept just skirting by permanent damage despite being told multiple times not to break anymore bones.

Maybe its a bit bull, but then again considering they have much more advanced healing he could get away with more. Of course he reached a point he couldnt.

>Besides, his kick-style didn't last long before he got gloves that not only shield his hands, but also allow him to aim his blasts.

He still doesn't use his arms to punch and his strong physical blows are still with shoot style. He broke that rule twice, one to sock Bakugo and once with 100%, second one doesnt count for obvious reasons.

>There was that low standard knocking, again.

Just claiming it suck isnt a fucking argument.

>If I advocated for complete realism I would never read a superhero story

You are so over adamant about it. The fact you so verdantly dismiss what I say. Maybe it will be better the way you say it but its perfectly fine the way it is.

>Because the first 100 chapters were really good, that's what gave me high standards

Post-Kamino the quality is a bit more wonky but its much better than prior.

>but Hori clearly didn't map out his story and now his short deadlines are biting him in the ass.

Is that why numerous things he has foreshadowed or alluded to have come up during this time? Maybe the Yakuza and the Festival/Gentle arcs were interjected, admittedly this was quite long, but specifically the Yakuza arc has created various plot threads moving into the future.

> You don't need the injury when Iida simply declares that Stain left an impression.

You don't, but it drives the point home. Iida is wearing the scar of his mistake.

>How in the fuck am supposed to believe the good guys wouldn't want a weapon like that when AfO literally ruled Japan in his heyday. If the story is presented in a realistic way, I expect some realism. And, a weapon THAT powerful would send waves through the entire world, it's just obvious.

Exactly.

<"Hey guys we have a nuke and we plan to use it!"

See above.

>This includes things like pacing, stakes, and even the cast (to some extent).

I don't mind the pacing. I mind Hori under-delivering pages and breaks.

I disagree about steaks, everything one-upping itself leads to disaster. Steaks are one of the last things you should judge a story by. I do agree though that some big event is a bit overdue.

The cast is bloated I agree but I much prefer the newer characters. Class A is horribly boring at this point (besides Deku). For the next student arc I would prefer something with Class B going into the field. Really the only characters from Class A I care to see is Iida, Tokoyami and Deku, rest can die in a ditch for all I care.

>Most of the initial action was fairly grounded

And they were very much novices. As I said there were already powers, not-involving All Might, that were very much excessively strong. With many indication that it will go that route.

>and for a while it seemed like characters were actually in real danger

The only thing with excessive danger was the Yakuza arc. Rest hasnt done much in placing people in danger in the first place.

>hence why we now have entire cities being leveled and characters sustaining damage that would have killed them earlier.

This all happened prior to the Yakuza arc. The only 2 instances of city leveling are Kamino and MLA arcs.

>It has worked in other stories, so I see no reason why it shouldn't work in this one.

Working and being necessary aren't the same thing.

>Seriously, Batman broke his back once.

Batman is shit, who give s a fuck?

>Don't limit creativity in writing because of arbitrary themes.

Themes are a useful tool to round out your story and to give it a sleek appearance. Learn to think in the box before learning to think outside. These things exist because they have a function.

>>936089

>But my point is that the series didn't increase in power level since various strong abilities were always present

Yet, you already said the opposite in >>936051. Toga was able to use powers without ever having done so before, Twice had so far only made a few clones, yet makes an entire army in this latest chapter (the woods arc would have been over double quick if 50 Dabis just torched the woods), Shigi-Hands-On-Face previously had to touch someone to disintegrate them, but can now disperse an entire crowd. These powers are spiking instead of having Hori write around them creatively. Deku gets a pass on spiking because the premise was always that he would become as strong as All Might.

>But that is a realistic flaw in a system

Realistic? Nigger, this isn't a flaw, it's a gaping wound. How would you ever make life insurances work? How would government ever be liable? Which Regular Joe would willingly sign up to halt traffic as the living nuke is leveling the city? No, it's dumb and you know it.

>We both agreed that lower tier power can be surpassed by gadgets and weapons

Middle ground, finally.

I even post where you originally 'agreed' to this, please read your own posts, anon. It can be hard to understand your point.

>It hasn't, as I said, gun are unreliable due to the vast diversity of quirks

No, I never said you did, but this >>932628 anon certainly did, which is false. Also, c'mon. The vast majority of quirk users must be shitters, because so far there's only been what? Five god-tier heroes and villains?

>Clearly my entire argument is that it IS consistent

Is the plot armor consistent? You bet. Is the wounds and destruction? Hardly.

>Yes you are, you demand something for one thing and then not the other whiles flaunting that something as very important

Nigger, look the word up in a dictionary, because you clearly don't know what this word means and it's getting embarrassing.

>Stain used the Noumu's blood to paralyze it

I admit, I had actually forgotten that part.

>Proving my point yet again

And yet, had he had a fucking gun, Stain wouldn't have needed to paralyze it in order to brain it with a knife. He could just have shot it out of the sky.

>Also there is reason people in real life are trained to aim for the body. Because the head is hard to hit

Really, dude. You're thicker than dirt fucked by a hobo if you don't think any of the trained cops would think to TRY and hit the monsters in the open fucking grey matter. C'mon, you were the one saying this was well-written. Maybe it's a flaw in the system, eh.

>socially and biologically doing such a thing is basically asking for mass public unrest

I'm not saying they should put this out in the open or even erase quirks, a simple suppressant would be extremely useful and benefit regular cops. Again, in DC CADMUS is a secret special branch of the government specifically tasked with finding ways to stop world-ending supers from doing just that. But because of the past, and especially now that All Might has retired, the world should really be itching for more options.

>Maybe its a bit bull

All I wanted to hear, thank you.

>The fact you so verdantly dismiss what I say

I'm listening, anon. I just don't agree with a whole lot of what you're peddling. Not your fault, I just don't like the direction MHA's taking.

>Maybe it will be better the way you say it but its perfectly fine the way it is

If it was perfect, I wouldn't be here bitching. Hori's emulating Western Superhero comics and I've already given several examples where I think it was done better in those.

>Post-Kamino the quality is a bit more wonky but its much better than prior

I literally have no idea what you're trying to convey here except there were wonky bits around Kamino.

>Is that why numerous things he has foreshadowed or alluded to have come up during this time?

<pic related, traitor is still on the loose

Hori is juggling to many plot threads and too many characters, I think the story would be improved by focusing in on fewer characters.

>admittedly this was quite slow

Oh, boy. Was it ever.

>You don't, but it drives the point home

Just something for the people in the cheap seats then, awesome.

>Iida is wearing the scar of his mistake

Hyperbole aside, this wording is funny as fuck because Iida can literally cover the scar with his sleeves.

>>936100

>These powers are spiking instead of having Hori write around them creatively

This is an entirely different point. What I was arguing that even know they still properly fit within the power-scaling of the series set up early on.

>Nigger, this isn't a flaw, it's a gaping wound. How would you ever make life insurances work? How would government ever be liable? Which Regular Joe would willingly sign up to halt traffic as the living nuke is leveling the city? No, it's dumb and you know it.

What the fuck are you talking about? This hardly pertain to "why is the bolice shit?". And I don't see how any one of those is relevant to the series or how they wouldnt still work the same.

>I even post where you originally 'agreed' to this, please read your own posts, anon. It can be hard to understand your point.

My point that they are shit still stands.

>The vast majority of quirk users must be shitters, because so far there's only been what? Five god-tier heroes and villains?

You don't need a god-tier quirk to not give a shit. Common quirks could also render them ineffective. Like I said, the odds for running into somebody who can deal with guns and gadgets is pretty fucking damn high. Plus that criminals probably have better quirks than the general populous because thats what enables them to becomes criminals in the first place.

>And yet, had he had a fucking gun, Stain wouldn't have needed to paralyze it in order to brain it with a knife. He could just have shot it out of the sky.

Considering the brain is probably the only part susceptible to bullets I highly fucking doubt that. Even if they penetrated the body shooting people doesnt make them instantly drop less its critical.

>trained cops would think to TRY and hit the monsters in the open fucking grey matter.

My point was that the head is hard to hit you idiot. Another factor making it less reliable. I never said they would try aiming for the soft spot.

>I'm not saying they should put this out in the open or even erase quirks, a simple suppressant would be extremely useful and benefit regular cops. Again, in DC CADMUS is a secret special branch of the government specifically tasked with finding ways to stop world-ending supers from doing just that. But because of the past, and especially now that All Might has retired, the world should really be itching for more options.

This is just theory shit at this point. I mean what if there was a revolutionary movement upset over the heavy legislation of quirks?

>All I wanted to hear, thank you.

I said it because its not completely realistic, that doesnt change the fact that it doesnt have to be.

>If it was perfect, I wouldn't be here bitching.

No, you are just making problems out of none-issues.

>>936100

>people still feeding the traitor theory

>Hori literally pulled an Araki this chapter

It's like you guys enjoy being disappointed

>>936199

>It's like you guys enjoy being disappointed

I'm beyond dissapointed, anon. I'm just here to see how bad this shit show will get.

>>936117

>the power-scaling of the series set up early on

Already agreed that there were god-tier heroes/powers, the problem is that everyone is moving towards that point.

Writing around the powers creatively would solve this. See, I was making a suggestion to fix the problem presented.

>What the fuck are you talking about?

You kept arguing that the police being shit was a realistic flaw and I'm now explaining to you that the police being shit is not one JUST one flaw. It's a single flaw that has massive ramifications for the rest of setting. For someone preaching reading into things, you're absolutely shit at it.

>My point that they are shit still stands

So we agree guns, weapons, and gadgets have it's uses, fan-fucking-tastic!

> Like I said, the odds for running into somebody who can deal with guns and gadgets is pretty fucking damn high

But you don't know, this is pure conjecture based on what? I'm telling you that the opposite must be the case, because we still see beat cops running around with conventional weapons. Logic would dictate that guns would be phased out to accommodate changing trends, as technology has all throughout history.

>Plus that criminals probably have better quirks that enables them to becomes criminals in the first place

Probably, I agree. This would be logical and consistent.

>Considering the brain is probably the only part susceptible to bullets I highly fucking doubt that

Again, going back to >>933739. If Stain had specialized in guns, who are you to argue he couldn't make a shot like that? Because guns are boring, right.

>Even if they penetrated the body shooting people doesn't make them instantly drop less its critical

True, but this wasn't a body shot, it was an instant kill-shot to the head.

Moreover, guns have multiple rounds, this is why you sometimes see cops mag-dump junkies that don't go down.

>My point was that the head is hard to hit you idiot

I agree, but we don't even see them try. Those cops pictured in >>935915 don't look like regular greenhorns, do they now? No, the look like some sort of special task force.

>I mean what if there was a revolutionary movement upset over the heavy legislation of quirks?

Sounds like that could to an interesting plot arc, no?

In fact, add the liberation to pile of things I like. You still keeping score?

There was a novel released with nearly the same concept and it was actually pretty good.

In Steelheart, superpowers emerge and all the strongest heroes end up fighting over who gets the biggest piece of the US and the weak fear the strong.

Very much like Iceman proclaimed this chapter.

>No, you are just making problems out of none-issues

I believe that I have made plenty of arguments as to why I take issue with the things I do.

You were the one complaining about not being listened to earlier, but it seems this was more projection.

I'll reiterate >>936063. You want spectacle and I want consistency, it just means I take issue with shit you clearly don't care about.

>>936118

>"post-kamino" as in "after kamino"

But that's not the entire sentence. You wrote:

<Post-Kamino the quality is a bit more wonky but its much better than prior.

You wrote that things got wonky after Kamino, but then ended with it being better than 'prior'.

Does that refer to other manga, as you were referring to in >>936052 or are you still talking about MHA?

This is why I told you to re-read your own posts, because sometimes you spout nigh incomprehensible points.

>Hori even addressed the vestiges that was even before the traitor plot

Simply addressing the issue doesn't resolve it. This is why I made fun of you for citing Deku mentioning that the system was flawed ONCE.

>I'm sorry, Mister Connoisseur

For someone arguing that you had to be perceptive to pick up on shit, it sure is funny you admit the manga spells this shit out for its readers.

>Why does this matter when the scar is something import for him internally?

We already over this and agreed. Because this PHYSICAL scar is inconsequential, as opposed to the MENTAL wake up call Stain gave Iida.

>Then this is just going into dystopia. If something like that is happening in BnHA it wont be soon

But it would much more interesting than endless training arcs.

>You keep acting like its fucking gone

Gentle was a fun performance artists that fancied himself a villain, but I would not call him grounded.

The Yakuza arc was the start of character powers spiking, I already went over this.

Class A vs Class B, sure school drama is grounding, but they're literally leveling cities during training now, i.e. spiking powers again.

>Your point was that it doesnt feel like they are in danger because the power-scaling has become stupid

No, you're mixing up two separate points.

I dislike how the main cast seem to be immune from lasting harm, which has been a trend since the beginning.

I also dislike how the OVERALL power of the cast started to increase sometime after the Yakuza arc.

>A trend you claim has started after the 100 mark/yakuza arc

No, go back and read what I said in >>936041. These are two separate points.

>American TV

<Drawing a legit parallel, but skirting past it because it would be hard to defend

You were the one complaining about not tackling arguments earlier, and yet here you are doing the same fucking thing. This is actual hypocritical behavior, you dolt.

You also chose not to comment further on Western comics which is a wise fucking move since Hori is obviously inspired by them.

>Characters are getting progressively more hurts. If anything thats weakening plot armor

Except their injuries don't have lasting consequences, hence my entire issue. If Shigi-Hands-Man actually loses his arm, color me impressed.

>Because it would be shit writing to kill off characters set up as important

In your opinion, I see no reason why this couldn't work. Also, it doesn't have to be death, choosing to leave UA is also fine.

>characters need to bake for actual death and disability to have a stronger effect

We're 230 chapters in, I'm ready to see some of the main cast culled, guy.

>I'm willing to concede over plot armor

Good man. Becuase I gotta tell you

<It's a Shonen

and

<It's a kid's manga

Are some of the worst defenses you can pull to defend bad writing. It's simply defending the status quo, no matter how shit it is.

>with world building you are completely fucking wrong

I've already admitted to being wrong in this thread before, and I will again when you can prove I am. But, on the issues with the world building you continue to push weak conjecture which is contradicted by the mangas own visuals.

>All your complaints are pedantic and arbitrary

<Says the anon arguing you can't kill off characters until they have had an arbitrary amount of development.

O I am laffin'.

I can't nigger, we've been at this for days. I can't be assed to read your reply at this point let alone reply.

1/3 of the thread is this, we are past bump limit, you are still saging, i fucking cant

>>936254

You fought valiantly, nigger. Go get yourself some tendies, you deserve it.

Happy 4th of July.

Destro vs Giga will be next. But of course Destro will die.