/a/ - Animu & Mango

I can never keep up with this damn show. Always new characters and factions being introduced who are supposedly very important and they have pre-existing relationships with other characters and then they all have to accomplish some goal that wasn't adequately explained and wouldn't make sense even if it was. The only character who ever manages to make any sense in terms of characterisation, motivation, abilities and even simple dialogue is Accelerator and even he occasionally gets infected with the nonsensical-ness of other characters.

It's like some kind of stress nightmare.

>>911875

What show? Index is a light novel with manga spinoffs that by some miracle Kamachi is still writing. No one would dare animate a series with a giant web of characters and motivations.

>>911875

I haven't read the little novel, and having only seen most of the anime of both Index and Railgun, this latest season felt like it was suppose to be this big culmination of something epic but I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of key points and details. From what I hear, the third season crams tons of the light novels into all the episodes and it does show. I feel like it's suppose to be important but it does more to explain why it's important instead of showing it through the animation and organic dialogue. I also feel like it skips a lot of scenes that may not be necessary but would give better context and pace the show better. Season III feels like the worse jumping on to point if you haven't caught up with the series, but even then, not having read the light novels, it feels rushed and overly convoluted that I could tell it was a poor adaptation by the pace it was going at.

>>912140

You cannot avoid it. Touma canonically lusts after Index's body.

“Oh, it’s Touma!” As she raised her voice in excitement, Index’s small body was contained in a white one piece swimsuit.....For some reason, Index puffed her chest out proudly while seated. When Kamijou saw the beads of sweat on her neck dripping into her swimsuit, it filled him with a somewhat sinful feeling.

>>912146

It's natural. Men always lust for loli.

>index

Her body is a fridge compared to Kuroko.

Also

>Misaka Worst

>Actually best Misaka

>>912208

Komoe is a gross girl, she smokes and drinks.

>>912212

Rude. She's a good girl that drinks and smokes because her legal loli body scares off potential suitors.

>>912212

Kuroko is even worse. She's canonically lazy slob whose co-workers are worried about her getting fat since she teleports instead of exercising properly. Her underwear is also ugly as fuck as she's forced to prioritize practicality due to how teleportation works in Indexland. Only saving grace of Kuroko is the fact that director's waifu Saten manages to be even worse and makes Kuroko look better than she is in comparison.

>>912227

>>912231

>underwear

Was this from the railgun manga? I dont remember reading it in index.

>>912240

I want to teleport my baby batter into Kuroko's womb!

>>912244

She'd just telabort it back out.

>>912349

I want to tell her that life begins at conception.

>>911875

Are all LN worse than shonen when it comes to reaching an ending? because so far I see no end to this one either, I think the author of Zero no Tsukaima kicked the bucket before even considering an ending.

>>912535

It's crazy how Railgun is treated like the holy grail of the franchise by JC Staff while Index is treated like the retarded step child.

>>912568

The first arc of Railgun S was 10/10 and easily the best thing to come out of the entire franchise. Why couldn't they put that level of effort and care into Index proper? Instead we get the current mess.

Despite reading all of OT, I still think Volume 2 is the best one. Ars Magna arc has yet to be beat, it is a nearly perfect story.

>>912587

I know it won't be in it, but I wish the Accel anime coming up would also do the Sisters arc.

>>912838

>Entire anime is Idol Accelerator

>>912845

That would be amazing.

>>912838

Please no, Accel is a good boy

>>912660

OT started losing its charm the sixth volume rolled around. The motivations for characters like Sherry and Vento are weak. These villans are fucking insane with their shitty justifications. In Shery's case, its Ellis getting murdered by Anglican Knights, and Vento's is having her brother die in some amusement park and thus developed a hatred for the "science" side. I'm glad I tolerated it enough to get into NT though, the newer series is great.

>>913751

I think it picked back up around volume 13 when Academy City got attacked. And the dark side of academy city novels are 10/10 masterpieces.

>>913757

Battle Royal and Dragon were a nice suprise. Getting drip-fed information about Aleister and The Book of the Law is furstrating as fuck though. At least Kamachi doesn't spoonfeed you everything, and leaves some background plot to think about.

Misaka Worst doujins when?

Got through NT Vol 4. Cleary something strange is happening. Fucking bone chilling. This is way better than Battle Royale and Dragon.

>>916520

Is that Leviana? I stopped following this flaming high speed train wreck.

>>918610

The children in Academy City were for the most part raised there for their whole lives, so the contrivances of Academy City are cultural norms for them. Living in a technologically advanced society a few decades ahead of the rest of the world is just an everyday accepted fact by everyone there, which would apply to the additional surveillance and stuff like clones. You have to remember that they aren't just living there freely, there is an agreement that in exchange for living there, the children are legally owned as test subjects for Academy City.

>>918602

Leivinia and yes she appears at the end of the war in the LN which is where the anime is. It should end in the next episode or two. As expected of the anime though, secondaries have no idea who she is since nothing is explained at all. The last 3 episodes have just been magic, Touma lines, magic, Accelerator noises, science, magic, Hamazura, magic, etc.

>>918610

Go read the first 5 novels and you will have your answer. Every single one of those questions was answered in detail already as there is a major arc for each one.

>>918557

>NT Vol 4

The party is just beginning.

>>918614

I'm rereading the series, I forgot a lot of stuff. I stopped at NT 19 a few years ago. This time I'm taking care with my reading and jotting down any questions I have as well as interesting information. Was there ever some sort of explanation for a Sourcerer, which is different from a Magician?

>>918614

That dumb shit about Touma losing his memory at the end of the first arc has some deep implications later right? Like he is a double agent or he knew essential information about his power or situation.

>>918645

He lost his memory of about 3 days of knowing Index and his normal childhood. It was a completely useless plot point that I wish Kamachi would stop bringing up, because there was nothing essential in losing his memory right after meeting someone. He could basically just introduce himself to Index again and nothing changed.

>>918646

So it never comes again in some meaningful way besides being a set up for jokes and very minor plot points?

>>918649

I stopped at NT volume 1 almost 2 years ago but it was 100% irrelevant in OT. There was one time where Misaka overheard Touma admitting he lost his memory and it was a wholly waste of time.

>>912059

> From what I hear, the third season crams tons of the light novels into all the episodes and it does show.

It's good, and SIV is just around the corner the fact that if you think about it the VAs get older or leave the scene we'll be left with awkward VA replacements or even no more continuation.

It sure crammed a lot of stories but it was executed very nicely in my opinion and each and every episode is exponentially better than previous ones - to the point it did not become "that boring S3" like on overlord.

LNs have much more depth due to longer+more interesting characterization in text that won't look awkward even if it's several chapters of characterization = better. At least we can have the best of both worlds.

The final episode got released and I can't critique any part of it except maybe the quality of the first few episodes but that was probably the tight schedule and will surely change in the BD release.

I've been waiting for the SIII for quite a while and railgun is just boring.

>>918610

>Can someone help me understand some contrive aspects of the series?

>Stuff as Mikoto`s thousands of clones roaming around and herself somehow accepting that without having an existential crisis.

She did before when she knew about the project but the fact that her 'sisters' were made due to accelerator's level 6 project it means that the creation and current existence of the sisters is due to accelerator.

>The fact that they pretty much live on an independent city-state and its citizens are constantly being monitored and are expected to give themselves away for military research if they manifest useful psychic traits.

But aren't the espers also well-guarded in the Academic City against any government interest? Think of it as an independent state that protects all espers and even develops them - they'd be guinea pigs and weaponized by their home country if you think about it. But then most of the ones they use for dirty work are the ones who had been doing underground work.

Citizens are monitored so Aleisters' plan don't get out of hand.

>Or maybe why the leaders of Academic City allow Touma freedom when he has hands down the most powerful property a person can manifest or why Index is allowed to exist outside a heavily guarded vault held by the church when she is pretty much the biggest source of knowledge for magical users in the whole world.

It's a win-win for the Necessarius keep in mind that Tsuchimikado also checks on Index and Touma and Index are inseparable due to his promise (plot of memory loss) and because he's the one who saved Index (that maybe even Aleister tried or whatever) and Touma can negate her magic if shit happens.

Also, Aleister is only interested in the Level 6 not on Touma and he's probably much stronger than Index's entire grimoires. Touma intervened with the Level 6 project of accelerator but Aleister just put him at the center of the plan (he also probably respects imagine breaker or wants to know more about it).

>>918778

>Also, Aleister is only interested in the Level 6 not on Touma and he's probably much stronger than Index's entire grimoires. Touma intervened with the Level 6 project of accelerator but Aleister just put him at the center of the plan (he also probably respects imagine breaker or wants to know more about it).

I see you are behind on NT. Start reading.

>>918796

If you're talking about Aiwass. of course it will be brought up again.

>>918774

>SIV is just around the corner

Please no more. I want someone other than JCS to animate this or just never animate it again. NT is too good to let JCS ruin it.

>>918970

Leviana is so pretty!

>>919257

OT is a tease. Read the LNs, they build up the overall plot better. Misaka did have a role to play, it was to stop a nuke from going off on the Star of Bethelhem. In Hamazura's case he should have died, but didn't despite his circumstances. Plot armor? Shiage Luck? Accelerator's part was saving the world. Fiamma was about to soak the world in Telesma, but Accelerator Vector'd it all away with his magic. The ending of WWIII only brought up more questions, such as what happened to Touma, what is going on with Aleister, and who is Othinus? Read the LN faggot, it gives you proper background and thoughts of the characters.

>>919257

>Hasn't read the LN

You only have yourself to blame.

>>919266

>>919267

>read the LN

The problem is I cannot bring myself to care enough to do so, especially not after a performance like this. I did once try but dropped it 3 volumes in due to boredom, and I won't be picking it up again.

>>919269

>Watched terrible adaptation

>Complain about it being bad

>Told to read source material

>But its boring

If its boring then why did you waste your time watching this whole season?

>>919269

It isn't a problem if you don't like it. However, thats strange of you to, despite watching all of Index, you couldn't get into the LN.

>>919270

Because anime has pretty colours and flashing lights, which are necessary to keep my attention. I actually am interested in the story, but not enough to power through the overly dry LNs. Thus for me it's adaptation or bust, even when it's bad it doesn't last for very long and therefore isn't a massive time commitment like the other option.

>>919266

>spoilers

Why the fuck did they not think it important to show any of that? Good grief, they actually had the time to cover it all but the horrendous directing sabotaged the narrative every step of the way.

>>919273

Sounds like you are a slower reader. In print each LN is usually 200 pages with reasonably large margins and font. Its the kind of thing you can read in a day or two with ease.

>>919275

It was posted multiple times in the index threads that this season is terrible and not for anyone who hasn't read the LN. Major plot points were skipped entirely.

>>919275

Too many volumes (9) were squeezed into too few episodes. What a damn shame.

>>919276

I'm not a slow reader and that estimate seems reasonable, but that if we assume an average of 2 days per volume then for that's 44 volumes for a total of 88 days or almost 3 months. 3 months of doing nothing for recreation other than reading Index is simply too much. Do you have any idea how much anime I could watch in that time? Not to mention I'm sadly not a NEET anymore and couldn't actually devote all that much time to it anymore, so I'd probably be looking at a good 6 months before I got through it all, and we're talking about dully written books that barely managed to hold my attention as-is. As interested as I am in Raildex, I'm not that interested, so thank you for the suggestion, but I think I will pass.

They should have some character speak foreign languages. If a NT adaption ever comes out, it will be crucial that some characters do this. Given then the misunderstanding arises via Cendrillion thinking Touma killed Marian. I would love to hear Misaka speak Japanese, French, English, and Russian with the intent of speaking that language rather than a dub.

>>919269

>>919273

The eternal secondary, everyone.

>>912534

>>I think the author of Zero no Tsukaima kicked the bucket before even considering an ending.

Apparently Zero was supposed to end in 3 volumes if I remember correctly, with the author kicking the bucket while working halfway through the 3rd last one.

>>920363

Here is a list of things you did wrong

1. Watching Railgun first (its a spinoff of Index)

2. Watching Index before reading its LN source material

3. Not reading Index at all

4. Not reading Railgun (manga source material) at all

5. Complain about problems in the Index anime (especially season 3) that were solely caused by JCStaff

I will give you a free pass on power level creep though. That much is expected in any long running story with power levels. Kamachi has somewhat realized this issue with Kanzaki and purposefully written the other saints and characters around such a setup. Kanzaki is one of the weaker saints in the grand scheme but when she first appeared Kamachi wrote her as borderline untouchable. That happens to all of new power level classes.

If youre going to pick up Raildex you have to start with the Index LNs. Starting with the spinoffs will only bring confusion. The Index anime are advertisements or highlight reels that at times omit key details and plot points that become critical in a later volume. Some of the blame lies on Kamachi's early writing floundering around as somewhat stand alone volumes. The sisters arc was the first arc that really fit the pieces together into what Kamachi can do. Building upon the fallout of that arc, the overall Index story doesn't really come into focus until Vento/Fuse=Kazakiri.