No.834748
Are mecha designs getting worse? Is there a mecha anime with worse designs than Franxx?
No.834758
>>834748
>mecha with teeth
They are both shit.
No.834761
>is there a mecha design worse than franxx?
Yes. All of them.
No.834762
No.834763
Franxx was made by idiots with zero experience designing proper mechas and just made "cute girls with machine features" instead
No.834765
>>834758
That's because eva weren't mechas ya dingus.
>>834748
Evas aren't mechas ya dingus.
No.834771
What's wrong with cute mecha girls?
No.834776
>>834771
Unironically this.
No.834777
>>834765
How can evas not be mechas when eva is a deconstruction of the mecha genre.
No.834782
>>834777
They are just giant monsters with armor that are controlled by humans.
No.834783
>>834777
>eva is a deconstruction of the mecha genre
I hate this meme so much.
No.834796
>>834771
Nothing wrong with cute mecha girls, but Franxx designs aren't even that cute. They could be much better and still have that cool-factor.
No.834807
Because people are using eva for inspiration instead of old Sunrise mecha anime.
Watching through Votoms right now and that's better than most new mecha shows i've seen nowadays.
No.834810
>>834777
Here's your (You).
No.834823
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>>834777
>How can evas not be mechas when eva is a deconstruction of the mecha genre.
Being so fucking /new/ to the /a/nimus that the /a/non dosen't get that that it's more of a deconstruction of the tokusatsu shows (ESPECIALLY FUCKING ULTRAMAN (7) that Anno Hideaki grew up with.
No.834832
I want my mecha to be crewed walking tanks.
No.834834
>>834832
But with cute girls.
No.834835
>>834765
>Evas aren't mechas ya dingus.
Evas aren't mechas like the Man-O-War jellyfish isn't actually a jellyfish/living creature or how tomato is a fruit and not a vegetable. Yes you are technically correct, but they might as well be a mecha for all practical purposes.
No.834837
>>834832
I want my tanks to be crewed human-style mechas on treads/rails.
No.834838
>>834835
>Evas aren't mechas like the Man-O-War jellyfish isn't actually a jellyfish/living creature or how tomato is a fruit and not a vegetable. Yes you are technically correct, but they might as well be a mecha for all practical purposes.
Hello reddit.
No.834840
>>834777
>deconstruction
There are very few words in the English language I can possibly despise any more than that one.
No.834856
No.834861
>>834856
Only hipsters and post-modernist faggots like to use that term.
It's a quick way to determine if something is shit.
No.834886
>>834838
Could you please continue to keep us up to date on what all your friends on reddit think?
No.834896
>>834856
Because Derrida and his postmodern philosopher ilk are a bunch of cancerous faggots who do nothing but muddy the waters of every conceivable conversation with their disruptive, masturbatory hair-splitting.
No.834897
>>834840
It's another word for 'destruction'.
No.834910
>>834748
Do Titans count as mechs?
No.834914
>>834861
It's just a term to describe taking common plot contrivances and breaking them. Without this happening, humans would still be telling the same story over and over, and nothing would ever change. I guarantee you support what a piece of media that is called a deconstruction does, so the fact that the term triggers you is a personal problem. Here, let me flip to a random page in a dictionary, point out a word, and let myself get pissed about it existing. See how fucking stupid that is? That's what you're doing.
No.834917
>>834748
Yes.
Note that EVA are NOT mecha, so shit image.
But most recent mecha are over-deisgned shit or shit htat doesn't even look mechanical. Franx designs look like latex suits with a few metal bits glued on. Horrible.
>>834807
THIS MAN SPEAKS THE TRUTH.
No.834963
>>834910
Considering 'mech' is derived from 'mechanical', I highly doubt it.
No.834975
>>834807
Take note that this doesn't just apply to the mecha design. Because of Eva, modern mecha shows all have to be tryhard pseudo-intellectual batshit fucking crazy psychological bullshit fests too; and because a lot of shows can't pull that shit off, we get a mess of retarded plots and characters and trannies and literal penis monster mascots. Because of Eva, the entire mecha genre became cursed with an ancient mummy curse. It will always be shit.
No.835045
>>834748
>worse than Franxx
Martian Successor Nadesico by far. This concept image might be alright but to me they seemd unbelievably bland in the show. Though I might be biased as I really didn't like the series.
On the other hand, I loved Outlaw Star but the pseudo-mech ships in the show were just weird. I would have been better had they just been regular space ships, without those arms.
I really don't mind the Franxx. It wasn't what I expected but these girlish orbital frames really fit a show that is so focused on relationships and emotions.
>>834823
>a deconstruction of the tokusatsu shows
Pretty much this. Especially since they are in a way just humans in a robot suit, like the actors in a tokusatsu shows.
No.835047
Giant fighting robots are the one genere that I think should be entirely left to children.
No.835049
>>834914
It's an obvious case of seeing a certain term being liked by pretentious assholes and declaring the world itself to be faggotry. It's feelings overriding critical sense, leading to such riveting arguments as >>834976 .
Now since I'm feeling generous, I'm going to be this faggot's advocate. Deconstruction is, I think, too simplistic a term for what's essentially a parody made for legit commentary on a genre rather than laughs. Especially since the goal is making something better than the contrivances of the genre, while parody is just making fun of it. Deconstruction is only part of the process - to be truly good, such a piece of media must also reconstruct something better out of it. Elevate it. That part just isn't part of the term.
There is also the fact that what is essentially a judgement passed on the norm is always going to sound pretentious in some way, and is definitely going to attract insufferable dipshits who think that knowing pop culture is a valid modern equivalent of being Descartes.
No.835059
>>834840
>>834897
It's basically destruction with a con thrown in.
No.835061
>>834963
Yet people still call Evas "mecha". Go figure.
No.835067
>>834914
>Without this happening, humans would still be telling the same story over and over, and nothing would ever change
Yep and now we're at the point where deconstructions are the new cliches.
No.835076
>>834758
Teeth are okay on mecha when it's done properly.
No.835078
>>834914
> Without this happening, humans would still be telling the same story over and over,
The Hero with a Thousand Faces
No.835086
>>834838
>Hello reddit.
Explain yourself.
How is this reply in any way Reddit? I genuinely cannot discern anything website-specific about it.
How you are able to find the micro-nuances in his sentence structure to track him down to Reddit is a mystery to me.
Maybe I just don't use it as much as you.
Or maybe you have no answers left so you jump to buzzwords hoping the emotional response you expect to get from your incredibly transparant insult will bring other anons to defend you, faggot
No.835087
>>834771
Absolutely nothing
No.835089
>>835086
This is a little off-topic but I think I'll share it here.
I work with a lot of people who are literal schizophrenic paranoids, and I talk to them a lot about their hobbies and daily life. Unsurprising to me, a lot of them like video games, and particularly MMOs. Also unsurprisingly, they like to post on forums and imageboards. Probing some of them more I even got mentions of 4chan. So every time I see a post like >>834838 with a weird baseless accusation that makes no sense ("You're from reddit", "You're from halfchan", "You're a crunchyroll shill") I just imagine it's someone who's literally crazy and thinks people from this particular group he hates are posting everywhere and he's always ready to call them out. In his head that post disagrees with his view of things in a way that particularly bothers him, and is therefore reddit.
Lurking imageboards got a lot easier for me when I realized posts that made no fucking sense are probably done by literal children or literal crazies.
No.835091
>>835078
The hero with a thousand faces is misinterpreted as fuck.
Many seem to think following it is the mark of an unoriginal work, but it is simply acknowledging a magical storytelling formula that works in all kinds of settings. It's not an ironclad rule, just a gold standard.
So while I think you're aware of this, nobody's deconstructing the hero with a thousand faces. Deconstruction always happen with specific genres, not universal constants of storytelling.
No.835092
>>834914
>Without this happening, humans would still be telling the same story over and over
Do you know why there are certain stories with main points that keep repeating? Because at the core of each story, there is a lesson and there can be only so many expressions of the truth of the world.These stories are told over and over again in various variations of the same theme exactly because they speak of problems that will always be important to human beings. Yes, the themes are similar, we all feel pain, fear, anger and happiness, but the stories that surround those themes are anything but the same.
It is the fallacy of the postmodern parasites to say that because things repeat that they are bad. There is no originality in creating a contrarian piece of garbage that is devoid of any meaning that applies to this reality. To create something with a meaning, one inevitably will offer a variation of themes that are important to the human experience. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
The whole purpose of telling a story is to give a piece of information to someone else, to pass on some wisdom or lesson backed up by empirical evidence and experience. This core of wisdom and experience is meaning, it is what makes the whole thing worthwhile. No wisdom can be gleamed from something that purposefully tries to portray nothing that has existed before. No experience can be gained from something, that tries to be completely new for the sake of it alone.
Without certain beats, without certain harmonies with reality, you don't get a melody, you just get static noise. The only emotion you can feel from listening to such white noise is despair, a false perception of reality purposefully crafted to daze and disorient you until you become accepting to everything that happens around you with no question. But the true nature of our reality is struggle, and that is why it is inherent in vast majority of stories we tell, the stories that actually matter and are remembered.
No.835095
>>835089
That's... actually pretty comforting.
Thanks, anon.
No.835097
Personally, I love Darling in the Frankxx mechas. I think they look cute, like toys.
No.835098
>making mechs not growing them
Step off kouhais
No.835099
>>834758
At least an Evangelion is probably more organic than mechanical. I like the concept of partially organic mechs, especially when it's done well like in Eva. The "teeth" on the Franxx are just a part of the projection of the pilot's face. I wonder what that would look like in real life, I imagine it would look odd.
No.835103
>>835091
>The hero with a thousand faces is misinterpreted as fuck.
No it isn't. John Campbell wrote this book to give his theory of the monomyth. His entire presentation of his theory essentially describes an entire genre perfectly, absolutely everything that is part of a genre and even genres splitting to form new ones even what you would call a deconstruction is merely just another part of the it.
We have been telling eac hother the same stories forever.
No.835104
I think Squad 13's unique Franxx units look awful, but everyone else's look pretty cool, especially the Nines'. Strelizia Apath is pretty good too.
No.835106
Patlabor's mechs were pretty fucking cool.
No.835419
>>834763
>implying that's bad
No.835582
FranXX designs are bleh as far as mechs go. When they make a mechwarrior anime without using CGI that'll be the day we all breathe a sigh of relief. In the mean while, we have decent things like Heavy Object and Full Metal Panic. Plus we have Juushinki Pandora airing now which has pretty good mech designs I think. Last... no maybe the season before that I can't remember we had Knights & Magic which, while not being a world-changer, managed to avoid being a drama-filled trash heap and just focused on the MC getting his dream of building Mecha for fun and warfare. The only drama was in the beginning to get him to the point where he had a lab to make shit, then the plot kicked in with political intrigue in order to get us to crazy fun fights between his flying turbo-booster robot against a huge flying dragon mech. I know lot's of /a/non's dropped the show but I'm glad I stuck with it because it was tanoshii
No.835641
>>835089
That explains a lot. Thank you.
No.835662
>>835582
Every single one there is shit. (well, maybe the white one with the shield is serviccable)
Overdesigned, misproportioned attrocities.
No.835663
>>835086
Saying tomatoes are a vegetable when they're clearly fruit is reddit tier.
No.835677
>You will never get mecha shows with cool storylines and ace combat plane combat ever again
No.835748
>>835089
I pretty much read most comments in a forest gump muppet voice in my head. It makes imageboards highly enjoyable.
No.835946
>>835582
>Juushinki Pandora
That show has mecha? I was planning to watch it but never got around to picking it up. Is it worth it beyond that one aspect?
No.836054
TTGL was the last good mecha show period
No.836144
>>836054
I love TTGL but not really as mecha, the robots always felt more rubbery/boxy to me and never particularly mechanical. Shin Mazinger was a great series but more proof that mecha's glory days are in the past. Code Geass's first season was alright and it had some fun rollerskating robots, then R2 happened and in addition to the story going completely insane the robots got their lame flight upgrades which meant no more skating around like a ScopeDog, only flying now. It's a shame because I really like the Knightmare Frame's designs, I just wish they were used in a less retarded franchise. But yeah, mecha is over as a genre.
No.840690
Here comes a new challenger!
No.840697
>>835946
The MC has one who taps into another dimension for it to work.
Designs are by Shoji Kawamori.
No.840871
No.840908
I prefer bulky "mechanical" mechas than the more sleek ones, though thankfully they haven't fully reached Apple-tier sleek except from Drossel and a few other. Digimon's Machinedramon holds up really well today, and the Votoms image Anon uploaded in this thread is the sweet spot I like.
No.840914
>>840908
I love Votoms, old Gundams, G1 Transformers. These sort of things actually look like robots to me. I don't get this sleeker aesthetic, it worked well in Eva for various reasons, but I think a lot of the appeal of mecha came from the older, bulkier, and more simple designs. Stuff like Valverave I can't even follow. What is this supposed to be, a Digimon? That's actually an insult to Digimon. Machinedramon is boss. But I think it really was the aesthetics of the classic robots that made people like them, that these newer, more elaborate and/or sleek designs, are just less captivating, and are part of the reason why mecha has declined.
No.842419
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
And yet throughout this thread, not a single person is wishing for the Diaclone revival to get a new anime....
No.842424
>>834748
Peak "mecha" performance was reached almost two decades ago, sonny. It's all a downhill now.
Without getting too cheesy or galactic, that is
No.842567
>>834777
>this fucking bullshit again
What a waste of trips
No.842576
>>840914
>>840908
This. I like my mecha to look rugged, easy to mass produce, and militaristic. Or at least look like proper heavy construction machines.
The only time I accepted the sleeker mecha is if you're having some racing anime with them.
That said, there's two types of mecha anime I want to see.
>A proper military anime where the mecha are at most the size of a single story house and used as infantry support. In addition, show that there is still use for tanks and air support as well.
>Something like IGPX except with more combat. Picture a death race with mecha.
No.842586
>>834748
>Are mecha designs getting worse
>posts Eva, the "mecha" that started mech design downfall
OP is faggot, news at 11.
>>834777
>>834838
>>834856
>>834914
Unironically kill yourselves.
>>840914
>I love Votoms, old Gundams, G1 Transformers
>G1 Transformers
So you like trash?
No.842598
Dynamic Pro tube robots are the only good Mecha designs, not many are strong enough to admit this
No.842609
>>842424
>peak performance
>literal (cock)pits
No.842617
No.842621
>>842424
I see you are a man of refined taste as well anon...
No.842634
>>842609
He's right though.
No.842679
>>834771
I don't like them because they look stupid. I like giant robots with cool beam rifles and bazookas fighting each other. When you start making them lolibots and shit I lose interest because the series is no longer a mecha series.
They're desperate to pander to the Otaku crowd so hard that they sacrifice the entire genre's strong points for this non-sense. We no longer get serious war dramas because you can sell more waifu figurines if you pander to that market. As the market moved away from mecha it moved towards slice of life, so now everything is slice of life but it has X in it.
I want badass grumpy old men in mechanical killing machines not waifu bait. Fuck lady boys and waifus in robots.
No.842680
>>842654
No because none of those are Gundams.
No.842703
>>834807
>>834807
>Because people are using eva for inspiration instead of old Sunrise mecha anime.
>Watching through Votoms right now and that's better than most new mecha shows i've seen nowadays.
Underrated post.
No.842715
>>842609
>peak performance
>literal (cock)pits
Choose two and only two.
No.842718
>>842654
god i fucking love grunt suits.
No.842744
>>842703
But this isn't even true. Eva was the inspiration for some mecha series in the 90s but the modern mecha is all slice of life CGI fests. It's inspiration is closer to a visual novel than it is any of the older mecha series. You could argue Gundam Wing and then Gundam SEED which is the evolution of Wing's boy band concept is the current inspiration for mecha series. Everything is this horrible personal drama mixed with real robots who unlock various glowing super modes that use CGI out the ass. Most of them designed to sell the harem figures over the robot themselves.
I found Votoms to be an interesting idea but it's animation is too dated to pull off any of those ideas. Old animation isn't usually a problem but Votoms is on the same tier of the Spiderman cartoon everyone uses screencaps from. You have single frames of animation and extremely limited colour pallets in the background. It's difficult to look past that.
No.842998
>>835106
Glorified forklifts are not cool.
No.843019
>>842998
Come on man, don't insult Polish mecha like that.
No.843196
>>842634
>>842621
>>842715
>thinks cheap repeated, absurdly exposed meme design is good
>thinks those games are good
AC4 Answer was better and the game runs like trash. The most ridiculous Gundamn superhero designs are better.
No.843210
843196
3/10, not even deserving of a (You).
Apply yourself.
No.843272
>>842679
Now what would be cool is Mecha series that's essentially about to old buddies who either rebuild a type of mecha they piloted that they found in a junkyard, or basically the BSG plot where Saul & Adama join the military as old salts.
No.843291
>>843272
I'd watch the shit out of either of those.
No.843318
>>843272
One thing i loved about votoms is that most the mechs that are used are just pieced together from scrapyards full of milsurp.
No.843860
>>843318
Mega XLR was great.
No.844069
>>843272
Good lord that is a wonderful concept. Let them spend too much time trying to explain the aesthetics to newer mobile suit pilots.
No.845040
The designs are getting safer and lazier that's for sure
No.845041
>>843272
So you want a older more mature version of Megas XLR
I'd watch it
No.845268
I can't help but think that there is something satirical in anime now. Not that it's so deep that it can't be understood or the thought that some fanbases should be avoided. Just that it's taken too seriously to begin with. This started for me with the higurashi series. I literally thought it was a joke but sarcasm doesn't seem common in any culture outside of the west so even if there are meant to be a few creases in the common portrayal of any anime, we won't ever see them on display in a Japanese production. They'll play it seriously to the end until a creator somehow cracks in an interview and says something like anime should have been aborted (miyazaki). ParAphrasing/reinterpreting here. Don't want anyone to think he actually said this but who knows, maybe he was talking about goro.
No.846414
>>834963
But the human body is a machine
No.846927
Would you consider Zoids a mecha anime? If so, what did you think of it?
No.846928
>>834856
>>834896
>>834840
This post critiqueing deconstructionism is really problematic right now. Please envision how you sound to others. Be considerate.
No.846947
>>846414
That means there's nothing wrong with having sex with another machine
No.847914
>>835045
I'm pretty nostalgic when it comes to Nadesico but I'll admit it's not great at anything. It's best moments are comic relief and it's not even very good at those.
The aestivalis designs themselves are cool but they don't do anything with them. The kicker is their modular, and like any modular mecha anime I've seen that aspect is rather underutilized and they only throw a couple augmentations out or whatever you want to call it probably to make a few more toys and models.
No.848896
No.849122
>>840871
Zoids
Mazinger ZERO
Getter Robo Arc
No.852477
>>846899
>Implying that's a mech.
No.852490
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>>846947
Hell yeah! This guy knows what's up!
No.859757
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>>834758
Old school ROBOTO is best.
No.859758
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>>859757
>ROBOTO
>Not GIGANTOR
No.860131
>>834783
Is it a meme, though? First few episodes seem to check out.
No.862307
>>835089
>yeah dude I toootaly work with the crazies, all those people who make posts accusing others of belonging to a certain group all belong to that group
Hmmm....
No.864835
Personally I find the sweet spot to be a mix between tacticool and "super," but lean towards tacticool. I think skinny/lots of fins looks good for flying mecha and bulkier for ground.
What universe would you want to live in? Patlabor would be pretty cosy and you could probably buy a labor as a civilian for hobby use.
No.864836
>>842654
Polite sage for doublepost but those grunt suits are exactly what I'm talking about. They look much better than the suits above
No.865156
>>834748
Fuck you, Moebots were the only reason why I didn't drop this show.
No.865178
>>834796
I thought they were a complete joke. I lost it when even one of the small more regular looking mechs had an ass control panel.