/a/ - Animu & Mango

>>812211

You fucking lolicon.

>he doesn't know

Oh boy, I hope you can stick with us till the end buddy.

I really can't stand the chibi looks but i hear nothing but positive things about this. Is it really that good? Do they act cringy or is it watchable?

>>812222

The deeper you go the more edgy it gets, if you're into that then go ahead and watch it.

>>812222

Fuck off.

>>812225

>le buzzword because you're too illiterate to write something constructive

>>812226

>fuck off

>hurr durr you're too illiterate

Do you see the irony here?

>>812230

She explores caves. Nothing lewd about it.

>>812232

Oh, I thought you were exploring her deep dark caves. That changes everything

>>812234

I would never do such things...

I feel like a lot of people overlook the flaws of this show just because it left a good taste in their mouths at the end, but for me at least the middle felt really dragged out and pointless.

>>812251

Read the manga.

All done! Man, that was so good. Mitty and Nanachi were the best. And the heartwarming cooking and lewdness of Riko toward Nanachi was a good thing to even out the depression of the final episode. Overall, was very pleased with this short little series.

>>812251

Do you mind explaining how?

>>812222

Watch/read it and find out.

>>812251

Honestly I feel as if the manga really rushed the middle part, because sales were flatlining so he rushed all the way down to Nanachi to get that whole storyline going. What the anime did to put in "filler" in that area wasn't really effective, but it had the right idea. It was also required because otherwise the episode pacing would have been impossible. What could they do otherwise? Have only HALF an episode? Plus the art and the music is so goddamn beautiful that you can forgive it. Any extra MiA is good.

>>812485

This image proves she's a girl as far as I'm concerned. In Nip culture, only girls smells good/only girl's genitals/breast area smells good, not boys.

>>812507

>spoiler

As somebody who reads all sorts of shotacon, trap and yaoi stuff, I'll say that you are full of shit. Also, the author clearly likes both shotas and lolis and he intentionally left that open on Nanachi just to fuck with people. Now shut up about it.

>>812211

>I already want to go cave diving in a 12 year-old.

Fixed for accuracy.

>>812534

>Spoiler

>Being an actual faggot

>>812575

well who else would have any interest in nanachi being of "indeterminate gender"?

>>812630

Why are Riko and Nanachi so lewd?

>>812475

If Nanachi was a boy, he would have walked around topless as a human as well, like all the other boys

>>812661

Nanachi is actually of adult age, which explains that. Riko isn't lewd at all (at least not intentionally, loli pooping noises aside) because she's pure innocence, both the good and bad parts of that.

>>812670

You mean like Nat and Shiggy and Kiyui walk around topless?

>>812695

Anime Riko got frisky with Nanachi in the final episode.

>Cave diving a 12 year old

mmf.

>>812696

She was stroking her and arguably giving her orgasms (and then later triggered another through delicious food), but that wasn't her INTENT. She didn't mean to be lewd, just affectionate. Nanachi even said Riko didn't do it lewdly, like Reg does.

>>812713

Less a cave; more of a gopher hole.

>>812713

>>812781

How much can Nanachi fit?

>>812575

Remember the barrier.

>>812630

Look, I don't make the rules. That's what the author wrote. Arguing about it doesn't lead us anywhere. "The way she acted when ___ was clearly girlish/boyish!" isn't a good argument since she might as well be a trap or reverse-trap.

>>812793

Nanachi is still the size of a child, so I would suspect not much more than Riko.

>>812793

>>812859

Does Nanachi go into heat like an animal? I bet she could accommodate more if she does.

>>812793

Let's just say that even Tama-chan was no problem.

I want Ozen to hold me tenderly in her strong arms.

This show has a downright amazing soundtrack.

>>813038

The composer specifically called out Metroid Prime, and Phendrana Drifts in particular, as an inspiration. He nailed it.

>>813084

Compare Nanachi in the Dark to the Magmoor Caverns/Lower Norfair theme. It's uncanny.

>>813096

>Nanachi in the Dark

Fucking perfect example. I told my brother that the OST to Metroid Prime 4 had been leaked and played that song to show him, and he didn't suspect anything was up for an instant. It's part of how I sold him on the series.

>>813038

>>813098

Shit, now I'm listening to the entire soundtrack again...

I just feel they rushed too much of what makes the abyss the abyss, we don't learn much of each layer execpt one small section of it and even then it seem there would be a crap ton of more delivers raiding but they only encounter 1 or two or actually ZERO in the beginning 2 layers. Where the heck are all the delivers? or is divers? Manga seems to spell it wrong.. seriously it's more of a empty abyss than anything and it annoying how fast the go down. it make the abyss seem less of a threat.

>>815225

What are male speech mannerisms.

>>815255

Usage of the masculine pronoun おいら, the masculine sentence ending particles ぜ・ぞ and the masculine contraction of てしまう っちまう

masculine ねえ　instead of ない

せえ instead of さい。　すげえ instead of すごい, etc. etc. There's probably a lot more too. Bottom line, Nanachi talks in a manly style.

>>815225

>>815291

>Trying this hard

Just stop faggot.

>>815317

>B-but girls can also have dicks!

I think Nanachi is a girl, too, but you are SERIOUSLY stretching the logic of things in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

>>815317

>>815305

>>815324

Nanachi is the new Bridgette, but instead of "everybody's gay for Bridgette", it's

everybody's a furfag for Nanachi

>>815329

I've been accused of being a furfag many times before, but Nanachi is cute she isnt for fugging.

>>815216

There was never an emphasis on there being tons of delvers beyond the 2nd layer, there are only a handful of black and white whistles who would even bother going further since anyone else wouldn't be able to survive returning. The whole point of how easy Riko and Reg descended is because they have no intention of returning and anyone can keep going lower so long as they don't get killed by wildlife.

>>815409

It's not just plain speech, it's manly speech. There is plain feminine /gender neutral speech as well, which Nanachi does not use. The bun specifically speaks impolitely in an "oyaji" style when she could be speaking impolitely in a girly or gender neutral matter. This is not a question of politeness but a deliberate choice for hyper masculine speech. I'm sorry but Nanachi has turned you into a furfag anon. He's an oyaji trapped in a kemo loli looking trap body.

>>815572

It's not unheard of to see female characters in manga using male language. Even Yotsuba does it from time to time if I remember correctly, although that has more to do with her imitating her dad's style of speech.

Just binge watched all the episodes yesterday. I fell in love. Legit cried atleast twice.

I've never read the mango, but apparently the local barnes and noble has copies of them, I think I'll go grab them.

Any clue when the rest of the series is expected or a dvd?

>>815628

>the local barnes and noble has copies of them, I think I'll go grab them

The official translation isn't very good from what I saw when it first came out, I'd avoid it unless you really need a physical copy.

>Any clue when the rest of the series is expected or a dvd?

A western release? Probably eventually since it's popular. A continuation? The second season was announced pretty close to when the first finished but there isn't really enough manga content left to adapt for a second season so don't expect it until late 2019 at the earliest. They are also releasing two recap movies but I doubt those will add anything new and are probably just to get non-TV watchers into the series.

episode 6 is where i officially started liking the show for being dark before that, I barely enjoyed it enough to keep watching.

>>815834

Don't be too sure the movies will add nothing. Remember all those side scenes that were left out? Like Jiruo visiting Ozen and discussing the robot that uses Lyza's mannerisms?

>>816202

>Possibility for more Marulk scenes

I'll watch it just for that.

Why don't they use guns to kill the monsters?

>>816319

>>816319

Maybe gunpowder technology hasn’t spread that wide to that region of that planet yet.

Even when gunpowder was mentioned and used already, gunpowder is gunpowder.

It’s easily made unusable by humidity and the equipment using it isn’t so versatile if not outright useless against the beasts of the abyss.

What I wonder is, why they don’t have smokeless powder yet.

>>816430

I want to be hugged by Ozen.

>>816430

I wonder if she let baby Riko nurse from her breasts. I bet Lyza pressured her to try it at least once.

>>816336

I'm sure they have guns to some capacity. The word gunpowder exists, for one, and the caravan fleet has metal-hulled ships that look powered by engines, not wind. But they're also clear that Orth is the ass end of nowhere, kept independent only by threat of sicking White Whistles on any attackers.

Theorizing on Orth's defenses goes something like "imagine fighting the Zulu, except they also have man-portable nuke launchers. Fuck your guns."

>>816554

I think I saw some disabled guns on one ship of the trade caravan.

Maybe it would just make the story boring. They are kinda in the 1890-1900 tech tier. Bolt actions, machine guns and artillery would tear the animals in the abyss a new one.

Maybe, they think that they don’t need them, because artifacts are better.

Or maybe firearms were tested before, but were useless against larger threats, like that hedgehog that dodged the blast. That still doesn’t explain why they aren’t used in the first layer, as a backup, sort of.

>>816430

I wonder what her real physical age is.

>>816479

>>816479

Why would new mother Lyza need her childhood friend to breastfeed for her?

>>816688

So that the connection between the two refines.

>>816628

I always assumed its like Bloodborne where there is guns and canons but melee is still far stronger because everything is so resistant to it. I also assume the first couple levels are not really dangerous so no need for stuff like that.

>>816698

To be honest, many things remind me of Bloodborne.

>>816688

I could think of a few excuses.

1. To mess with Ozen.

2. Help Ozen mellow out by awakening some maternal instincts.

3. Getting Ozen used to her daughter, to help them be on friendlier terms.

4. To mess with Ozen.

5. Something about the bond as a godmother.

6. Convenient excuse to sneak a peek at Ozen's titties.

7. Lyza may have been in poor health physically, mentally, and/or emotionally and unable to focus on caring for Riko at some point.

8. Like all other white whistles, Lyza's into some kinky shit.

9. Trying to catch a mouthful of Ozen's breasts while she's distracted with Riko (more messing with Ozen).

10. Bonding with Ozen.

>>816741

I forgot they were down there when she gave birth.

Lyza doing it for kinkiness or lulz sounds a little OOC, but she is a white whistle so I kinda see that.

Aloof Ozen nursing Riko while Lyza chills and rests next to her, commenting on her friendship, physique, and how she cares for her and her daughter while teasing her boobs would be great.

>>816628

>>816698

My take on it is that guns exist in the world, but Orth is too backwards to make its own, and as other countries are basically in constant low-key conflict with Orth to get more relics than their government is willing to sell (illegal cave-raiders came after even the fucking time-stopping bell), nobody will import arms into Orth either. So the outsiders have guns, but Orth doesn't, and relies on ridiculously OP relics to keep the gun-wielders away.

>>816812

I can imagine that accompanied by an emotional breakdown from Lyza after all that's happened and a half-awkward, half-comforting hug from Ozen.

>>816943

Even backwater Pakistani villages make their own working replicas of Cold War era firearms.

I don’t think Orth is that shitty and incompetent.

>>816944

Stop, you're affecting my heart.

>>816479

It's a cute idea, but women don't randomly start lactating whenever they want to. Maybe there's an artifact for that?

>>816971

Self-induced lactation. Unique plants and herbs around Orth perhaps.

>>816974

You could motivate lactation by impregnating her fertile womb

>>816993

Ozen's pretty old. Maybe she's had children already?

>>816995

Officially she is atleast 60+, but physically?

Look how she never aged. And it was already mentioned, that time goes by slower for yourself while in the abyss.

>>816337

I don’t understand this feeling.

I just want to cuddle her and give her headpats.

I wish the manga had a more consistent release schedule.

Anons who were making Nanachi sculpts, how are those going?

>>817014

I want her to cuddle me and give me headpats.

>>816993

>Lyza growing up and possibly nursing from her.

Now I want this.

>>817031

>Ozen reluctantly let Lyza nurse from her while growing up under her tutelage

>Came to enjoy it

>Nowadays Ozen allows Marulk to nurse from her as a reward

>>817033

>Marulk getting strung up naked for punishment.

>she's forced to watch Ozen play and tease herself in front of her.

>pinching and playing with herself and not letting her have any.

>>817040

>she

>>817164

>that canister

>that everything

Divine punishment has been meted out on my poor sides.

>>817164

>Last dive

>>817176

If it doesn't I'd be extremely disappointed.

>>817164

>Not having the cutaway of the insides look like the map of the Abyss

Missed opportunity.

>>817197

It’s the 8th layer.

Also at the rate of releases/story progression, aren't we all going to be old men before these faggots ever get down below the 6th layer?

>>817164

I wish I knew enough runes to understand this madness. I'm just going to assume it comes with a tiny Nanachi that judges you while you partake in glorious scientific research.

>>817210

What I could gather is that the catridge is lotion.

Ozen’s real age is 31 years, 7 months and 27 days.

>>817210

I believe she's just the chibi avatar on the box that sells you the features of the onahole. Like every onahole box. You'd know if you ever bought one, you double-virgin.

>>817208

Berserks second boat arc and the new chapter of Hiatus x Hiatus might be out by that time.

>>817164

>>817226

I'd buy a canister-shaped onahole with Prushka on the box.

>>817246

I definitely couldn't stand having tiny Nanachi watch me as I fap.

I'd want to give her a chance to feel good too, and do gentle lewd things together. Like fluffy body jobs.

>>817277

Ho? And would you really get aroused having her NAAA~ as she watches you with a smug expression on her face, probably playing with herself or rubbing up on you to make you feel good?

>>817243

But Prushka goes inside the canister.

>>816430

That is amazing.

>>816458

>>816337

>training

>hugging

I want to combine that and smell her.

>>817294

>training

What do they mean?

>>817294

How about licking her too.

>>817283

Yes. Having her NAAA~ in pleasure as she rubs herself against my rod would be wonderful. Let her lap up beads of precum as they pour out from the tip. After she has a few orgams trembling around my penis I'll lie her down and line myself up to her entrance and pour my seed deep inside her. I'd pat her head with my finger as she basks in the afterglow and caresses her belly that is swollen with my semen.

>>817290

If that were the case, she should be self-lubricating and not need the canister of lotion. Well, maybe she'd need it for her first time.

>>817305

I want Ozen to smack me around until she finally gets tired of it and trains me because it's less of a pain.

>>817307

>>817218

You all have it backwards. The cartridge is supposed to be the onahole.

This thread has completely fallen into degenerate fetish talk

Just as the mangaka planned

>>817388

I'm still waiting for his amputation fetish to play out and have a backpack Riko being carried around by Reg.

Seriously though what a fucked cliffhanger to leave us on then take forever to spit out the next chapter.

This is starting to remind me of another manga that's all about fantastical suffering and hiatuses.

>>817392

I keep getting the feeling that, somehow, all these hiatuses are going to combine. Like they're finally going to reach the final layer, and then suddenly two boats crash through the wall, one from Berserk and one from HxH.

Let’s hope Riko doesn’t fall for the trap.

Tsukushi-san going quiet on twitter tells me something must be happening soon. We are about due for another chapter so hopefully this week one hits.

>>817470

I think most signs are pointing to it being a conversion process. When the other layer manager robots were made, the technology was likely honed to eventually fit into a boys body, agile, small, innocuous. What was Reg doing at the surface? What's his relationship to Faputa, to Lyza? Even Ozen? He even has the same vital areas as humans, likely just converted.

>>817470

>The last possible method for a dying society to save its genetic legacy is to put their DNA into a cyborg boy

>Scientists work around-the-clock to bring this plan to fruition before the every-2000-years apocalypse hits

>They barely make it in time, creating Reg and then freezing his age at 12 so he'll be immortal until the time comes for him to impregnate available lolis

>But wait: they fucked up their calculations by six months and Reg is still prepubescent and won't ever grow older

>Whoops

>>817479

I get the feeling that this would be comfortable Nudeness around each other.

I wonder if Ozen ever played with Lyza or gave her piggy back rides?

>>817576

I'm sure she "gave" her piggy back rides. I bet Lyza was a wild child that jump on Ozen's back at random and refuse to let go, much to her annoyance. She also seems like the type of girl that's really hard to say no to.

Why doesn't she even care about her father?

>>817665

Because he was a 4’9” manlet

>>817670

Lyza looked pretty short too.

>>817674

Ouch that caption of him.

>>817674

>the tip hurts when touched

What does this mean? I bet it's lewd.

>>817470

Why would a robot have a dick?

>>817699

Why wouldn't a robot have a dick?

Why is he vomiting on stream?

>>817674

Why do I get the distinct impression that Nanachi wrote all those captions?

>>817788

Seems more like Riko since Nanachi would not know most of them.

>>817718

context?

>>817805

It's part of her training to become a whistle breeder. As the daughter of a white whistle and a girl touched by the Abyss, here genes are very potent and could lead to a new generation of pure, strong divers that could conquer the Abyss like never before. So naturally she's being trained to give birth countless times.

Of course they won't just have every man in town go on her. They'll be picking the cream if the crop: the best of the black whistles, as well as the white whistles. She'll be their exclusive breeding hole and the mother of their children. Unless of course word got out that Reg was a robot. Then they'd definitely want to find out if he can breed their best too.

>>817839

Well, that won't matter anymore since she escaped into the Abyss before anything could happen.

>>817392

For all we know, Riko will get nanomachines or become bionic.

>>812485

I want to smell Nanachi

>>817674

>One can get addicted to her smell.

>>817929

Nanachi's smell.

What will your mother say when she finds your corpse?

>faggots calling marulk "she"

Denial is one hell of a drug.

>>817934

You want to know the really sad part about this? The normalcattle who do that probably think they are doing the right thing.

>>817934

>>817939

I wonder if Marulk started to enjoy wearing the dress and dressing up like a girl.

>>817943

>implying that's not what he wanted and Ozen just doesn't mind

>>817954

Why Lyza marry him?

>>817955

Because she's a shotacon and he was the nearest legal shota she found.

>>817796

I meant more the fourth-wall-breaking Expository Nanachi from the manga extras. All the references to smells, the unrestrained snark, and "fluffy stuffed doll" is verbatim how she described herself to Reg and Riko. Also, I can't imagine anyone else knowing that she doesn't bathe very often.

>>817955

Love is quite literally insanity, so you can't explain it. There's also the (darker) possibility that Lyza wanted a child and didn't really care who it was with. A better question is: why does he look like a 14-year-old?

>>817969

>Why does a 14 year old look 14?

Really makes the head work huh?

>>817972

>>817969

Doesn’t matter how big he looks like, he is now 6 feet under.

>>817973

>you might be a 5'8" manlet or a 6'7" lanklet in life, but in death we're all just 6 feet under

That's almost as deep as the abyss:

>>818009

Laziness.

>>818009

Isn't it basically a small island barely wider than the abyss itself? You might acidentally end up flooding the whole thing.

>>818011

But it contains artefacts powerful enough to change the balance of power between countries.

>>818014

That would just be at the surface, the deeper you go the wider the island will become, islands are basically submerged mountains.

>>818009

Because there's something down there that needs to be kept hidden from the surface at all costs.

>>818014

>>818015

I suppose it would be too much a risk to go straight from the surface. Still, since the first two layers aren't so bad, you could send people to dig down from the Seeker's camp without the risk of flooding.

>>818017

Maybe the reasoning is more or less that they're willing to sacrifice some amount of people and that the tunnel construction would take as long or even longer than they would need to retrieve the most valuable artifacts manually.

>>818019

2000 years though

Plus they've got artefacts for everything I'm sure there's artefacts that cure baldness and even snoring, pretty sure they would have found something of use.

>>818009

I'm sure there are dozens of ways for a technologically advanced civilization to explore the place safely - sending down unmanned drones for instance.

The trouble is, Orth isn't an advanced civilization. They haven't even got firearms, let alone machinery which could excavate a shaft several kilometers deep in the seabed next to the island.

>>818009

It seems the ‘curse’ acts like a weak magnetic field. It can’t penetrate to the outside and gets significantly weaker over 20000 metres, until it’s effects are almost non existant e.g. birthday deaths.

How about building tunnels AND have multiple 15 feet lead doors, isolating the transport ways from the abyss itself?

They have ironclads and electricity, some minor containment would be easily feasible.

Of course, the price for artifacts will drastically go down the shitter, but who cares about trade with countries when you can make them your bitch.

>>818009

I'm not sure something like this would work.

When Riko was in Bonedaddy's fortress, she was inside a building and yet she still felt the effects of just climbing those stairs.

It's not something physical like a gas that you can isolate but it seems like an energy.

However, in other parts it's described as a kind of blanket that exists in layers as well but doesn't cover everything 100% of the time. If someone was to dig a shaft like that, it would likely end up "overrun" by the Abyss anyway.

Also remenber that that's likely what Bonedrewd did for his elevator-of-happiness and it still affected the kids.

There's also the fact that we don't actually know the nature of the curse, so how it works is mostly speculation at this point. Consider that the local fauna seems capable of using it to detect things in it and even intentions. An elevator shaft might be perceived as a void by those creatures, who would try to invade it as soon as possible, perhaps set up ambushes or live inside the shaft.

And that's assuming they are simply animals with amazing senses instead of sharing a consciousness among each other, using the Abyss to coordinate. Bonedaddy could do it, maybe something else does it with the animals but it's much more primal?

>>818032

Just think about it, underground mines almost reached 400 meters depth in the 20th century.

Yes, it is no comparison to the whole depth of the abyss, you could use the abyss itself as support.

The abyss is like one big main mineshaft.

Who would stop people from building bridges, after killing off the local fauna?

Also there are many plateaus in the abyss, which can be used as in-between bases.

E.g. modernise the gondola system of the 1st and 2nd layer, improve the connection to the already build base and build another one on the left, etc.

>>818034

Ot truly isn’t a gas, they are able to send balloons upwards to the upper layers.

>>818021

>I'm sure there's artefacts that cure baldness

I want one that gives me hair like Lyza's. Her hair is beautiful.

Though that gives me an idea for a cute non-h doujin that Riko and co. stumble across and accidentally activate, swapping their genders. Riko would become a boy, Reg would become a girl, and Nanachi would look exactly the same. Reg gets super embarrassed over everything, especially when bathing, but Riko seems to have had fun with it. Of course it wears off at the end.

>>818046

Define "survive", considering the place kills you when leaving. Do you mean getting to the bottom? Living in there like Ozen and Marulk? At which layer? Hell, you could crawl into Ozen's big white box and technically be immortal, no equipment needed.

>>818032

They have electricity. That alone is enough to actuate all sorts of bullshit technology.

>>818046

Modern equipment is probably the last thing you want in the abyss. Yeah, a gun could probably kill the small fry like a three-star Nakikabane, and it could probably even take out a whole pack of them, but you'd need at least .50 BMG (or a shit ton of 5.56) to take on a Scarlet Maw or to seriously go after an Ottobasu, let alone a Tamaugachi. The sounds produced from a gun alone would alert everything in the vicinity to your presence, which is a recipe for disaster when you consider you're basically in a giant mineshaft so sound echoes. "Modern day equipment" is basically worthless or a hinderance against most of the hazards of the abyss except maybe knife-resistant/knife-proof clothing. Yeah, guns will probably kill most monsters in the abyss, but they also give away your position to everything in the abyss. Based on some of the shit we've seen from the 1st and 2nd layers, we can consider our loli extremely lucky to have not encountered even more dangers.

>>818046

I'm no soldier, but ever since gunpowder was invented, the military equipment seems to gear more towards shooting from as far away as possible while still being accurate in terms of guns and "a gizmo for every situation" like grenades and other tactical shit.

The biggest defense the average soldier actually has is keeping his distance, since up close your helmet isn't going to help that much but if you have a weapon accurate at 500 meters while the terrorist can only shoot up to 100 meters, you could take him out entirely naked.

Keeping this in mind, some of the stuff in the Abyss might fall easily to modern weapons in the bigger more open regions, where you can spot and shoot something that's not close enough to maul you yet.

However, once you go down a bit and shit starts to pop up right in your face, even shotguns are likely not gonna help.

Don't forget that some of the creatures read the curse to predict your movements and react to them, good luck shooting something that can dodge everything you throw at it before you even press the trigger.

Arguably, the most important thing to survive the Abyss isn't so much an offensive method to take down your oponent but rather a defensive measure against him. Bonedaddy knows this, which his packets and his multiple bodies instead of relying on his lasers alone. Ozen knows this as well, which is why her artifacts don't just make her stronger, they also make her tougher.

The question here is... What's keeping Riko's mother alive?

>>818046

In terms of protection they won't do much against anything that is NOT modern day equipment.

When Reg fought that move reading monster, it could perice steel to a certain width. It was agile, poisonus, strong, and can read your moves. A gun from a distance would be effective but for defense wise? I would rather have something not slow me down. Unless some special kevlar is use to stop peircing but kevlar isn't effective for that or knifes in general, since knifes tend to just push fabric out the way. Most monsters there can be killed with superior firepower but we are not looking to erradicate everything.

There are two fundamental flaws with what you are trying to get to.

1. Most deadly monsters only need 1 hit to kill you.

2. If we kill everything we can't on our way down, we still can not go back up. I am unsure if space suits will protect you because the elevator still got both of the girls to lose their humanity.

>>818115

Whoops, forgot the last part:

With modern equipment you have the power to operate at night.

>>818115

Anon, you're missing the point. Firepower can kill the beasts (probably), but you're putting yourself at massive risk of being spotted by even worse beasts by using loud guns. Even suppressed, guns are fucking loud. Things like rocket launchers are out the window because not only do you have to be careful about the sounds produced, but you also have to deal with any other delvers down in the abyss who could be in your way or become brigands when they hear you.

>>818117

That’s why I mentioned subsonic ammunition, to avoid the crack.

Also 300 BLK suppressed and subsonic is quiet with ballistics compareable to 7.62x39 or even 7.62x51

>>818009

What if all that matters is depth towards the center of the world? Its not like we know if other places in the world are any safer from the curse, ormif digging down would produce the same effects.

>>818046

I think drone tech would be the absolute best but even then modern drone tech is nothing compared to rigg and the other robots that apparently existed in the abyss, although gas grenades and military grade gas weapons could be potentially amazing at clearing out huge amounts of the creatures living there. ironically nukes would only help you with most some of the upper layers but past the Fifth Layer idk if you could really do any damage without a global stockpiles worth and even then it's iffy.

Also speaking of radiation maybe thats closer to what the curse actually is, although idk why the smallest upward climb would cause it.

Just cover the top and fumigate the whole thing. Assuming they have anything like modern chemistry, a few chemical plants at the surface could easily exterminate any life in the hole including the abyss itself

You'd need a hazmat suit or to wait several months afterwards, but getting fucking eaten is just unacceptable at their technology level.

>>817954

Huh. He's got Riko's face.

>>818115

>>818116

>>818117

>>818118

You're both missing the worst part.

The curse responds to intention, bounded by your perception. If you point a rifle at a Tamaugachi, even from half a mile away with a scope to see it, the Curse is going to warp along your entire line of sight and point straight back to you. You will have effectively pointed a flashlight you can't see into the eyes of an enemy who can, without realizing it, and it can follow the beam straight to you.

>>818009

Why didn't they just fly the Eagles into the abyss?

Time and reality are not straight in the abyss.

>>818161

You have a point in a way, but "straight to you" is the direction the bullet is going, as well. I don't care what kind of instincts the monsters of the Abyss have; ain't nothing can dodge a chunk of lead going 1000mph. That's faster than nerve conduction velocity, so it'd be dead before it can even finish telling its body to dodge.

Really, the biggest thing here is that "modern equipment" isn't going to provide much benefit to a single delver or a small group. However, if you get an entire fucking SQUAD of marines going down there, they'll not have too much problem. See, animals (especially the ones in the Abyss) are not STUPID. If they encounter something that they definitely cannot kill that shoots off one of their limbs, they won't come back. If they're communal, they might even have the intelligence to tell others to avoid the threat. Do you really think Orby would have decided to try fucking with Reg again, after he Incinerated off 80% of his spines?

>>818161

The intention-sensing is only a problem if you aim at the thing.

Our hypothetical modern troops would make short work of such beasts with automatic fire, because they can just put enough lead downrange in its general direction that it would have nowhere to go.

>>818524

>$70,000 missile to kill two hostiles

This must be why the USA spends more money on warfare than every other country combined, yet has lost every single war since Korea.

That said... if the missile turns around and starts to path toward the Abyss creature, wouldn't that affect the flow of the energy field, allowing them to sense it coming toward them?

>>818573

So what if it did sense it coming towards them, what would it do? Dodge at supersonic speeds?

>>818155

I think it's mentioned that air passes through and solid matter can pass through, but gasses and other stuff doesn't pass through the various layers? The individual layers are separated by a sort of barrier.

>>818585

Since this a near-future autonomous helo, I've assumed that its self-navigation capabilities and sensor suite are top-notch and is capable of navigating the Abyss without human control. If an unguided, undefended little balloon could make it out of the Abyss, I think a big helicopter drone loaded with ordinance could too.

As the the "what is x monster bumps in to it", this thing is going to shoot anything coming at it that doesn't register as friendly. Anything too big for autocannons gets a missile. In my fantasy future world this thing is absolutely stuffed with ordinance. I'm no engineer so I couldn't begin to say how it all works on a practical scale, but the simple idea is a hovering weapons platform that counters the Abyss' perception field.

>>818640

>If an unguided, undefended little balloon could make it out of the Abyss

Except most don't. Possibly 99.99% don't. Riko's wouldn't have, but for lucky circumstance and Marulk's impeccable sewing skills.

>>818768

Now imagine the balloon was armored, bigger, self-navigating, and shooting anything non-human that came near. Odds of success skyrocket.

>>818640

>I'm no engineer

Clearly considering this is basic high school physics and minimum knowledge of how a helicopter works that could easily be taken from a short session of any videogame where you have to pilot a helicopter. Self-guidance is shit for anything bigger than a human head/faster than about 30mph, anon. No, saying "it's the future" doesn't magically make helicopters any less shit. This is fucking Newton's laws of motion here, anon. All those military vids of them shooting shit with guns on a helicopter involve stationary targets with the guns pointing down in wide open airspace so the propeller can counter-balance the force of firing guns/missiles, and the helicopter still shifts.

You're going to take that concept, and stick it in an enclosed space (anything after the first layer is an enclosed space), and proceed to attach weapons in every-which direction because shit might sneak up on you, and then fire said weapons on a moment's notice without preparing to counter-balance the force of ejection. It would take a gyroscope the likes of which they use on SpaceX relanding rockets to even get retardedly close to fathoming that level of technology, or a god-like pilot. **Also only a fraction of balloons make it up at all, and after the 2nd layer basically none do. They rely on sending shit tons and hoping delvers in the 2nd/1st layers happen to find them.

>>818789

I have to wonder what defense contractor you're working for, shilling against helicopters so hard. Attack helicopters are less susceptible to AA defenses than jets because they operate at low altitudes and always attack from terrain cover. Aircraft like the A-10 are the actual meme and would be useless in symmetric warfare. Also the recoil of shooting the cannon is tiny compared to a helicopter's inertia and firing missiles generates zero recoil.

That being said, no modern aircraft could operate safely in a shaft 1000m wide.

>>818817

>helicopters are less susceptible to AA defenses than jets

Oh, yeah, it's not like dozens of helicopters were lost to unguided RPGs and even small arms fire in the Middle East. You want to see what a helicopter can do? Take a look at Karbala. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_attack_on_Karbala

Helicopters are shit. They're slower, shorter in range and time on target, larger and heavier for the same payload, far more expensive, more complex, and harder to fly than a fixed-wing turboprop.

>symmetric warfare

Speaking of memes.

>>818585

Helicopters suffer from a user interface and coordination problem. The pilot only has very limited control over a small number of actuators, and the gunners have at minimum a 1 second communication lag with the pilot.

Imagine if you put three humans in control of a bird. One has a couple of sticks to control how fast the wings flap and what angle the tail is at, one has a pair of joysticks for the feet, and one has a joystick and button for the beak. Do you think those people could navigate the bird through city environments or catch bugs out of the air?

That's the difference between a human pilot and a fully integrated AI.

>>818831

>You want to see what a helicopter can do?

Be used incorrectly? The AH-64 was never meant to pretend it was a Hind. It's for finding and blowing up an advancing Soviet armored column in the Fulda Gap from the maximum possible range with Hellfires and then returning to a 20x20' patch of dirt to reload, rinse and repeat. Something that a turboprop would abjectly fail at.

>Speaking of memes

>I can predict the future and trust me no conventional wars will ever happen again

>>818833

>Fully integrated AI

You mean a disaster waiting to happen? AI are another meme that need to die for anything more complex than opening a door or beating a game. If you have a "fully integrated AI" at your disposal, you'd be better off hooking up little land-rover robots with guns/cables for descending, and sending down a platoon of them.

>>818857

>AI are another meme that need to die for anything more complex than opening a door or beating a game.

The other anon was talking about future technology. Anyway, beating a game is nothing to sniff at. Piloting a helicopter and performing point defense can be reduced to little more than a game.

You're probably right that there are much better things you could do with such advanced AI though. Swarms of smaller robots seem like a good candidate.

>>818855

>I didn't realize missiles break the laws of physics.

They don't. You can launch them from a tube which is open at both ends. The thrust from the exhaust being ejected out the back of the tube exactly balances the thrust from the missile being launched out the front.

If missiles had significant recoil they couldn't be launched from the shoulder by foot soldiers.

>>818864

You mean when the soldiers are touching the ground and thus able to disperse force through their feet into the earth? Kinda like light machine guns and crew-mounted weaponry?

>>818868

I don't know how to explain it in any simpler terms.

If a standing person can fire a hand-held weapon without being knocked over, it doesn't have enough recoil to affect the flight of a military helicopter. I'd be more worried about the heat from the rocket exhaust than the tiny amount of force it transfers through friction and air movement.

>>820026

>You professional?

Not yet.

>Program?

Just Photoshop

>Settings?

I use a brush pack another designer gave to me but it's entirely optional

>Hardware?

It matters for 3D modeling but not for this.

>Suggested coursework?

Gotta be more specific, what job do you actually want?

>Link to portfolio?

Anonymous I will remain

But I can show this: pixiv.me/11388

Is it bad if I watch the anime before reading the manga?

>>820813

Not at all, because the manga is better. If you read the manga first, you'll struggle to get through the anime without complaining to yourself about what was changed or removed, and the minimal filler. If you watch the anime first, you can just enjoy it.

>>820834

This. The hardest part is not reading the manga halfway through the anime when you want to know what happens next.

>>820875

No fucking problem there, my policy of "don't watch it until it's done" pays off every single time. If I want to know what happens next I watch the next episode.

>>820878

Why post on /a/ if you plan to watch the series but not until it's done? Like I get posting in threads for series you have no plans to watch because it doesn't matter if it's spoiled or not, but for shows you plan to watch, isn't that half the fun? Watching with other anons?

>>820884

There are lots of threads that are not about a specific currently airing show.

Just read the manga!

>>820890

I have to agree with this anon. Deciding which is better is like arguing between Super Metroid and Metroid Prime. They're both sublime executions of the same idea that each play to their individual medium's unique strengths. You may prefer one over the other, but they're both excellent in ways that complement and build out from eachother.

Ozen's face is way creepier in the manga.

>>820941

>Ozen's face is way creepier in the manga.

True, but on the other hand the anime has the advantage of sound for ~nnaaa~ and CRACK, not to mention the soundtrack.

>>820982

Episode 13 had me audibly crying and I ended up having a nightmare about it. Or well, influenced by it. The dream had me seeing my mom in a sort of hospital room with her mindlessly mumbling, unable to tell who I was or speak so I had to decide to put her down and I watched her slowly grow pale until she stopped moving while being put down. I ended up waking up from the dream and felt incredibly sad and went out to my car, called my mom up (it was only about 9:30 PM) and told her I loved her and that I just wanted her to know that.

It might be the most effective emotional scene I've ever seen in anything.

>>820982

>>820983

I couldn't really build up that much of an emotional attachment. I usually need at least a twenty-episode anime to build up the kind of attachment to cry for a character.

>>821151

How do you think it made me feel?

>>820986

>Mitty telling Nanachi everything will be OK as they're being lowered into the abyss.

>"My treasure!"

>>820988

I felt much the same way, except for Reg instead of for Riko. All of his promises to keep her safe, all his love and his reason to exist, to go on this journey, to move forward... and now she's dying before his eyes and there's nothing he can do about it. He's screaming and crying for help but there's nobody there and he's failed in everything he's ever wanted to do, losing everything he's every cared for.

And then Nanachi shows up like Abyss Jesus to save the fucking day, and I INSTANTLY had all the respect in the world for her.

>>822316

This webm proves two things. The first is that if a helicopter's cannon was so huge it comprised 30% of the takeoff weight, it would struggle to fire and remain stable. The second is that you're a retard for even trying to equate these two vastly different examples. You cherry picked the one example that combines the highest ratio between recoil force and aircraft mass that has probably ever been created in the history of the world, nice going pedant.

Repeated reminder that missiles generate zero recoil whatsoever, which is where this chain of replies began. Missiles clear themselves from the launch tube using a smaller rocket motor which achieves thrust by accelerating reaction mass in the opposite direction exactly the same as the main rocket motor. NOT by pushing off any part of the aircraft. And even IF they were launched using a spring or pyrotechnic charge the forces would be utterly inconsequential. This stuff should go without saying but you guys are such massive pedants someone has to say it.

>>822352

I hate to agree with this guy, because he's a pompous asshole; but he's completely right.

The idea that you can't put rockets/missiles on helicopters is, from the very start of it, belied by the simple fact that IT'S ALREADY DONE. Just look up "helicopter firing missiles" on youtube or whatever, and marvel at the magic as they DON'T fly backwards from the recoil. Helicopters aren't floating in a vacuum; the air the rotors push on (and to an extent: the rest of the fuselage) is providing the exact same resistant force as the ground your hypothetical soldier stands on. If you stick your ass out the window and let out a fart, it's not going to make the helicopter move in the opposite direction — not even a little.

I'd sage for off-topic, but the thread is in autosage anyway. Have to wait for dumbass to finish the next chapter before we get a new thread.

>>822352

>>822358

Never disagreed with you gus, just wanted to post a somehow related webm

>>822551

The real reason for Mitty getting gooified was for violating the law and falling in love with Nanachi. Girls can't love girls.

>>823163

Wow, I never noticed Prushka was basically molesting Riko here.

>>823163

Is Riko cumming from Prushka's touch?

>>823207

The curse of the 5th layer definitely wouldn't allow her to feel such things. R-right?

>>823221

She probably feels it but also hallucinates it being done by Reg. Poor Prushka.

About bloody time!

>>824178

That was some truly alien shit and I love it.

>>824260

Shurumi was, I think, one of the names of the cartridges or rejects in the Artificial garden that Bonedaddy names.

>>824302

It looks like her corpse is in that panel though. The name isn't mentioned in chapter 36 either.

>>824178

What? What happened? New manga? More anime confirmed? WHAT HAPPENED?!?

>>824226

WHAT HAPPENED

>>824622

New chapter.

So what is Pruska supposed to look like, anyway? A bird's head? A loli vulva...?

>>824260

So do they just have weird hair or are they like the village people and have more squidkid tentacle hair type stuff?

>New chapter

>Some moist shit happens

>Only a few posts

>Nobody even bothers to make a new thread to replace the one that's been at bumplimit for weeks

So is /a/ dead, or does nobody care about good content?

I wish I would have watched this while it aired rather than putting it on the backlog like a retard.

>>820985

I feel you on episode 13. The whole Mitty subplot felt forced compared to the excellent tenth episode. In the tenth, the people suffering are main characters and thus developed, unlike Mitty who as a human is basically only introduced to be gruesomely disfigured a few minutes later (haven't read the mango yet, maybe it's done better there). The suffering has an important plot purpose, too, because with a few exceptions in the beginning, the dangers of the Abyss were treated somewhat comedic rather than the "got hit? fuck you" death trap it's talked up to be and starts to be again in that episode. Mitty doesn't serve much of a plot purpose except to establish a still rather bland antagonist and a new party member, but this could have been done in many other ways.

Finally, the suffering was appropriate, as in, it wasn't over the top. The flashback was a bit hollow already, but was it really necessary to show Mitty's transformation in full? Having her blood-covered on her fours or maybe even the flesh bursting from her back would have been enough in my opinion; when her face melted it just began to feel like gore porn and cheap shock value. When Riko gets stabbed, everything bad that follows feels natural, even the way the curse is tied in, even though (or maybe because) they are in an area where it seemed like the curse wouldn't be very relevant.

I'm not saying that it's a shit episode and not even that I didn't cry, but compared to what came before it fell kinda flat.

>>826793

No one took the initiative to make a new thread when the new chapter dropped. I only realised yesterday that we got one. Could always make a new thread now if you really want to.

>>826929

The point isn't to care about Mitty, but about Nanachi who cares about Mitty. You can feel Nanachi's pain and suffering; that's the point.

>Rather bland antagonist

You better not be talking about Bestdad, or I will sic the hoards of this thread on your ass, and you'll be lucky if you come out looking as good as Mitty.

>>827130

But the same argument goes through for Nanachi, she's a bit too new at that point to make the backstory not seem forced. Maybe I'm jaded from shitshows that use Instant Tragic Backstory™ to make you feel sorry for a character, but I didn't care much for Nanachi at all.

>You better not be talking about Bestdad

No bully, I didn't read the manga yet.

>>827140

There's a limit to how much you can be expected to bond with characters over a series that is only twelve(ish) episodes long. At this point, "jaded" would be the right word if you're incapable of basic empathy. If some kid gets hit by a car in front of you, do you not feel sorry for him because you don't know him?

>>826793

>Some moist shit happens

NO IT DOESN'T!

There's no organ\limb harvesting nor does the situation with nanachi get solved or even anything new with the creepy lady!

There's just a big bad motherfucker that comes to show everyone how he's still the big bad motherfucker in an excelent metaphor for capitalism, but that's it!

Unless we are counting Riko cutting her hair short to buff up the cool bug as "moist shit" due to the symbolism of cutting your hair short.

>>827489

I feel like some people need a very long story and personal details to care about a character while others just end up falling for anything shown in a sympathetic light. Maybe some people just watch anime\movies\stories for the entertainment and don't go looking for the empathy angle, while others can more easily abstract themselves and thus only need 1-2 episodes to care about a character.

>>828381

>nor does the situation with nanachi get solved

It seems obvious how it will. Riko will somehow take down the big jellyfish thing, which will have so much value that she can buy back Nanachi and have change left over.

>>828451

Riko can't die, just like this thread.

>>828451

She's the MC; she ain't gonna die, don't be silly. Technically she's already dead anyway.