/a/ - Animu & Mango

>>783578

Albedo has superhuman-tier magic, almost on par with Ainz. The armor she conjured was created with the intent of not taking off. Gotta remember they were examining their immediate surroundings.

>>783576

Make Reboot but its an anime

>>783578

> how does she get her horns into her helmet when its one solid piece?

Probably the equipment menu.

>>783576

>"is there any answer that would actually be satisfying and make any kind of sense?"

No, which is why everyone knows better than to try and resolve it. No one wants to see how they get back, they want to see everyone having a blast when they get taken to a fantasy world.

>>783681

Absolutely this times a thousand. There's almost no need to explain or resolves being trapped in another world, it's by far the most boring part of the story and unnecessary and by in large outside the skill level of most authors to make interesting. You need not look far to find dozens of isekai's ruined because the author decided there needed to be an explanation to why the MC was transported to another world.

>>783681

>>783684

Actually, seeing the Frodo picture reminded me it's similar to the issue with the eagles.

Ultimately, the answer should be, because without them being taken to the other world, there would be no adventure. Same reason why the eagles weren't used to take the One Ring to Mordor. If Tolkien had done that, there would be no adventure. It's entirely a meta choice, not in universe.

As for a reason that could be used, I dunno, despite being shit SAO's thing made sense no? You're stuck there because you're stuck in VR.

>>783697

That's a little different than what OP is talking about, where it's more being able to explain or resolve in a satisfactory way, why the characters are trapped / were transported. Compared to a plot hole that exists within the universe (also eagles totally isn't a plot hole).

I would argue that with the former it is actually possible and indeed could make the story more interesting (building up the mystery and then payoff) but ultimately isn't important, but a talented author could definitely make use of it. But it's far easier to fuck up than to resolve it (jj abrams).

The plots holes are like you said, unimportant because otherwise you'd have no story, and don't add or detract much from the story, unless they're gaping and obvious that it kills the suspension of disbelief.

>>783707

It seems the same really. A plot hole that's unimportant to telling the story.

>>783711

Yes and no. Ultimately it isn't worth pursuing because it's too easy to fuck up, but could definitely add another element to the story.

>>783714

For a fantasy epic it isn't really required, and that's what a lot of Isekai try to be, even if with a bit of Japanese thrown in.

If it's more of a sci-fi thing, then yes, I'd say it's worth exploring.

>>783681

Fuck you to infinity I'd love a stargate tier show to explain the shit out of it then have it form the basis for a new society etc.

>>783578

They're fake horns with a headband that she hides under her hair and good looks.

The helmet has a slot they snap into and appear seamless.

>>783576

>So has any video game based isekai actually delivered a resolution to it's mystery premise?

Besides log horizon none of those are trapped in vidya.

Overlord is about vidya elements infecting a real world through magic.

Death march isn't trapped in vidya at all (the MC can actually go back to earth and is on another planet entirely), the anime takes on it is extremely disturbing.

Grimgar has nothing vidya related in it.

Log Horizon is trapped in vidya and resolve it pretty nicely:

they're actually not trapped, aliens, fleeing a catastrophe IIRC, used the virtual world bandwith to dump their consciousness into non in-use player characters, copied the DB and upgrading the system made the NPC IAs become sentient and release all the stuff that was in the DB but not used in-game. The most likely scenario was that when this shit went down connected players got their consciousness copied and merged with the player characters, not stolen or trapped. They're fine IRL.

So... Are you just shitposting or have you read any of those?

>>785557

So you're saying they're clones of the actual players rather than the players themselves?

>>783576

It's not as much of a premise as it is a reasoning for throwing the author's idea of the average japanese male into the video game of their dreams.

>>785557

>none of those are trapped in vidya

In both Overlord and Deathmarch they have a GUI menu and literally cant log out.

Grimgar they use videogame skills and vaguely remember japan, but i take your point.

>or have you read any of those

This was about unfinished (and most likely never will be)animes. That was the point. So far it's been:

>it was aliens.

>>785563

I don't exactly remember but I think that's what they were going for, yeah.

>>785592

>In both Overlord and Deathmarch they have a GUI menu and literally cant log out.

Not in Overlord. Ainz panic because the menu and the HUD are missing and he can't call up a GM, some things still have menus in Nazarick (management options) but it's not detailed how they work. However it's explain that Yggdrasil magic is alien to that world (which original magic is going extinct) and that cyclically shit related to the game appears in it, largely seen as a curse -> not trapped in a vidya.

In deathmarch Satou can call up an interface (in his mind, I don't remember him having it on all the time like in the anime) but people in that world can do something similar through magic, his has the form he was working on and is way more complex for some reason (probably evil god related shenanigan... Or himself paradox-style) but the people of that world already have skills and elements that are "vidya like".

There is a shitload of background about deathmarch that dwell on computer science with magic being essentially programming, magic items being similar to printed circuits, etc...

The most likely reason he has a vidya interface is because he was making a vidya on "death march" ("crunch mode" in jap programmers slang) and it's the form his magic took when he was transferred because it was imprinted in his brain.

So it's not a vidya, plus far into the story he's not even trapped, once he find the hero and the hero is sent back after killing a demon lord, he can go back whenever.

>>785627

>I don't exactly remember but I think that's what they were going for, yeah.

That is what I assume was the case but the manga had the player disappear in front of the computer (it was probably only for that manga).

>>783681

This.

But to answer >>783576 there's Death March which kind of resolves shit.

>>783578

Aw man, I miss frodo positng.

Is there any place with a complete Log Horizon or Overlord ? Seems I can find only SAO.

>>785557

>Log Horizon is trapped in vidya and resolve it pretty nicely:

That is SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

>>793717

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have used "nicely", just that the explanation for it makes sense enough for the genre...

Do I need to remind you that SAO explanation was "I don't remember"?

>>785557

>Log Horizon's reveal

That is... actually clever.

Do they actual feel stress because of it or even interact with the people in the real world?

>>797110

>It was his boyhood obsession to create a world that transcends the boundaries of reality. Not only a piece of art that stands separate from reality, but a new, truly real world. He wishes for something more from this world in the same way we create religion, love, and virtue to fulfill our need for something more. This system was created to chase after that vague, unknown more, and will go as far as the human soul is willing to push it.

It's just a coat of BS on a fucking cope out and you know it. He could have done exactly the same thing without trapping anyone and simply enforcing PC permadeath.

Hell he literally locked out the AI designed to provide psychological care. Remember that? To make really sure people, well kids really, fall to despair and killed themselves in droves.

But he totally didn't do it to hurt people suuuure...

SAO is literally:

"People end up trapped in a vidya!"

"-Why?"

"-Dunno, I doubt I'll ever sell that shit so long I will have to give an explanation for it anyway. The important thing is the love story of Edgyto and Mary Sue."

In Overlord, Death March and Log Horizon, "why" is an integral part of the main intrigue. As shitty the explanation may be it does exists.

>>797121

>Do they actual feel stress because of it or even interact with the people in the real world?

They do end up interacting with aliens, and a big part of the plot becomes about that. Also I don't know 100% if they're just copies of their IRL consciousness but it is the logical conclusion.

It'd be nice if they made something like a cross between Ultima Online and .Hack. You know, where the majority of the time is spent sitting around and shooting the shit. Then they go out and shit on new players and go hunting. Unlike .Hack, which is 100% shooting the shit.

>>783576

Writers like Borges and Egan have been playing with those sorts of themes of ontology for decades. Here's your answer: Make the nature of the new reality your characters have ended up in (and what that says about the nature of their original reality, and the nature of whatever kind of "reality" the two would both be a part of) a question your characters wonder about themselves, and by the end of it you'll easily have your answer satisfyingly built up from "it's another universe" to "it's another universe, and here's what that actually means for our characters."

So when are we gonna get "trapped in a shitty isekai manga"?

>>797223

> Edgyto and Mary Sue

> Is a fan of overlord, death match, and log horizon.

Kirito is less edgy and less of a mary sue than Shiroe, Satou, and Einz.

>>797302

4/10 basically just Code Lyoko.

>>797292

I kinda want this now.

Would it be like one-punch man where the main character just gets bored at being overpowered?

>man exits isekai world and is forced into depressing low-income real world

>he never was in an isekai world, it's just a months-long drug binge

>last ep we see how he gets caught and serves his decades-long prison sentence

Log Horizon was fun when it was Burger Franchise simulator 2013.

Second season was trash except when Rudy the Muscle Wizard cast Fist. Second stringers ruined second season.

>>797299

>Ainz

>Mary Sue

Dude is constantly fucking up, always in doubt of himself, and it is only because the NPCs are programed to treat him as perfect that anything even remotely looks like keikaku. Like read the fucking books. Satou and Shiroe are though. I keep seeing this complaint from people that wander into the threads and admit they have never read the fucking books. It's ridiculous how bad an adaptation is at getting across his inner monologue.

>>785557

Is this Log Horizon shit true? If it is, I don't know how I feel about it. Is it explained in the later volumes? I've only read up to 8.

>>797354

You don't need to read the books to recognize that Ainz is not a Mary Sue.

>>797357

It's either volume 9 or 10 where it begins to be explained.

>>797380

I see. It looks like 9 & 10 have been officially translated so I'll give them a read. When I last read Log Horizon I was reading the fan-translations from baka-tsuki. I guess the explanation for why the characters in LH end up where they are is pretty minor overall when it comes to my enjoyment of the series. Everything else about how the world works has been established and consistent, with characters who actually develop like sensible people trying to make the best out of a strange situation; that's where the meat of the story is at.

>>797368

>>797354

There are no mary sues in original works if anime ainz isnt one. The others have screwed up more than him except for webnovel satou who is god. His worst mistake in the first season is letting that yellow haired party member with a crown and his friends die and he says he didn't even care about them or letting shalltear be taken but that isnt his fault. I havent read the overlord books so we can only go with the anime but a lack of confidence and missing your friends doesnt mean you arent a mary sue having overwhelming power and a devoted harem with no effort sort of does. Maybe it changes in the books though so maybe i will read it someday.

>>797387

>having overwhelming power and a devoted harem with no effort sort of does.

No.

Especially when we are literally told that these people adore him because of their programming.

>>797390

> Especially when we are literally told that these people adore him because of their programming.

That makes it more of a mary sue because it is easier and easy mode is common for mary sues also it has no problems with ordinary women and they will never betray him and will always look at him favorably no matter what he does which makes them more of wish fulfillment than ordinary harems.

>>797397

I don't think you understand what Mary Sue means.

>>797401

A mary sue is a character the author creates to live out his fantasy and it is a common fantasy to have completely brainwashed females to do whatever you want. It defined as being fanfiction characters but the definition always changed to include originals. You can make exceptions for anyone because the definition is not solid. What is your definition of mary sue that doesnt count ainz?

>>797400

I accept that i did not read the books and i will read it someday but me and him are talking about anime ainz right now.

>>797405

A Mary Sue is somebody who warps the universe to revolve only around that character and his/her accomplishments. Any other character is defined by their relationship to the Mary Sue. Everyone that is sort of on the same team as the Mary Sue will inevitably admire that character for no good reason. Brain washing is an excellent reason, and those brainwashed characters are the only ones ready to jump the Skeleton's bones.

>it is a common fantasy to have completely brainwashed females to do whatever you want.

No, the common fantasy is to be truly loved (for no good reason).

>>797410

You should pay more attention friendo. The person I am talking to referred to the anime. Look at

>>797368

>>797412

We disagree. Being loved because you brainwashed them with minimum effort is not a good reason at all a good reason would be working for love. It fits your definition. In some way all protagonist warps the universe to revolve around him/her, and everyone is defined by their relationship its perspective.

> and those brainwashed characters are the only ones ready to jump the Skeleton's bones.

Didnt some of the girl party members of the weak party on season 1 have a crush on him because he is so good?

> No, the common fantasy is to be truly loved (for no good reason).

There is so much mindbreak hentai in the world. It is a very common fantasy. All vanila hentai i see have some sort of reason also.

>>797422

>Being loved because you brainwashed them with minimum effort is not a good reason at all

You are arguing semantics here.

The point is not what makes the love worthy, but what makes the love believable in the storytelling context.

They are brainwashed, because they were NPCs and had their personalities written out for them. That's the fucking premise of the story. If you can't accept that much, you are rejecting the whole of the plot.

>All vanila hentai i see have some sort of reason also.

And "no good reason" was not supposed to mean "no reason". It was meant to summarize all those "because you are nice" type of reasons.

>>797434

It judgement not semantics. Lets end it because we are going around in circles trying to use subjective judgements to apply a tag that is not soldily defined. I just want to end with saying that "because you are nice" is a good reason for falling in love because you have to do something to be a nice person and it is better reason than what ainz did.

>>797436

also it is more belivable because people fall in love that way all the time in real life. Editing another person not so much. Ok done now.

>>797436

>it is better reason than what ainz did.

>still missing the point so badly

Don't ask me to explain it to you again.

>>797302

Eh, it's basically .hack//SIGN, but with the hyper-advanced AI kidnapping the MC to use as babysitter for a newer, more advanced AI so she can understand humanity, and everyone wants to catch MC because of her bullshit power and in-game immortality (which she has no real control over, it's entirely the AI not wanting anyone to touch its little test subject).

When are we going to get post-post-isekai where the protagonist returns to reality as a cripple and has to deal with his new handicapped life and being a shame to his family (that never loved him anyway since he was a filthy neet)?

>>797321

I was thinking he'd get trapped in an SAO knockoff and was fully aware of how little the "author" knows about MMOs and is desperately trying to escape

>>797486

>You are stretching if you think that someone being nice isn't a believable reason,

You need to watch more harem anime if you are not familiar with the "because you are nice".

>You are saying that because the reason why someone is loved exists at the premise and not the events story proper,

No, I am saying you are complaining about NPCs in a video game behaving like NPCs in a video game.

To alter your premise to fit that, the captain would have to have a crew of aliens that are scientifically proven to fall in love with people in positions of authority.

The science isn't part of the show. Nobody cares about that. But it's pointed out at the beginning of the show that these aliens just can't help themselves.

And then you introduce other characters who are not enamored with the captain.

>>797486

>You are stretching if you think that someone being nice isn't a believable reason

Nice guys are boring and therefore ignored in real life the really repulsive guys and the best guys (so both the top and bottom 10%) out of all the men get all the female attention and therefore the most likely to get laid. Being a nice guy doesn't really work, in fact it's the most nonsensical unless the girl's life is so shit and abusive the nice guy is about the closest thing she's ever experienced to real love. But there is always the risk she'd create a relationship where she relies on Nice Guy for all her emotional needs and all her sexual needs with a Bull which sucks for all parties including the Bull.

I mean shit the "something inexplicable about MC makes him attractive" that doesn't amount to "because he was nice" is a more believable reason cause it means his cum has supernaturally addictive properties and she's thirsty for the taste of it from just the smell alone. The only other time I could see it being believable is if MC simply kicks so much ass the raw power of his fighting skill makes girls wet to compensate for his meekness which I think some Shounen did that already. Executed poorly most likely.

Even if that is why he's attractive there is still the problem that Nice Guys are simply too nice, they don't pursue even if it risks their "friendship" and therefore friend zone themselves into cuckoldry. In fact this is exactly what happens to the Grimgar MC, he never bothered to just go for it fuck anyone else and he basically lost the girl.

>>797548

You were called dense because you asked a question with an answer you could have found, and after it has been answered you are now quoting characters that only exist in your head, and are shouting "blatant", a propsed core, and other vague nonsense without any actual supporting details.