/a/ - Animu & Mango

So how many more episodes till head priest is finally revealed as the villain, surprising nobody, and he wants to REMOVE NINGEN?

>>777921

That theme has been in Super for a while now.

>Vegeta hits Jiren with the Final Flash all charged up

>Dust all over the place concealing his opponent from sight

>Does his little cocky laugh

>Expecting the cocky laugh to change suddenly into shock when the smoke clears and his opponent is standing there unscathed, just like always

>Smoke clears and twist: it's actually knocked him over

Alright, I was amused.

>>777932

Looks like Toei is changing some things up, really threw a curveball there. Then Jiren beat him down, as was expected. Maybe Vegeta will edge out a win somehow and actually get the Super Dragon Balls so we get a Planet Sadala arc? Probably not though.

>>777933

I'm just happy that my boy put up more of a fight than Hit did, and has more to come.

Glad he's getting something for himself this time, looks like maybe some kind of mastered form of Blue. It has a different kind of color and aura, maybe it's Super Saiyan Blue 2 or something? Hopefully Goku doesn't just go "Oh yeah I can do that too" like fucking always.

As an aside there was some pretty top tier animation this episode. Have they changed something up?

>>777951

Goku, stealer of all techniques.

>>777989

Back tingles are a strong thing.

>>777918

I'm guessing at the 5 or 1 minute mark of the tournament since each episode now has 1 minute of real time pass so in 3 or 8 episodes.

It's actually good they gave Vegeta something with that slight glimpse of him downing Jiren for once. This episode feels so different from the previous ones in style. They sunk more money into this episode than that one hour special when Ultra Instict was first revealed. Could the show actually be improving and we'll actually get a true good arc next time that won't rely on a tournament?

Are the people who watch this show all non-whites? I've never met a white person to enjoy this shitpile.

>>778086

Yes.

>>778056

>they gave Vegeta something with that slight glimpse of him downing Jiren

The way he straight-up said that Jiren was "stronger" when he fought UI Goku didn't feel like an empty boast, either. If that was legit, it pretty much confirms the suspicions a lot of anons had since way back: that Jiren has extremely lousy fighting stamina compared to the Saiyans, and that's why he hasn't fought very much since the beginning of the tournament.

He's also very arrogant and simplistic with his attacks. Dedicating 100% of his power to punches and basically none to defense, just because he expects to never be countered? That's weak. At this point, Jiren seems just like Frieza used to be: having become unable to adapt to adversity in a battle because his overwhelming power has never been challenged. Whether he'll actually improve in this battle or be overcome as a paper tiger (saving his development for a later arc?) is unknown.

I am extremely interested in what he mentioned as the "truth beyond strength" or whatever. That's the first glimpse we've gotten into some sort of characterization for him. This episode almost seemed to tease me into believing that Super could actually be somewhat enjoyable for once.

>>778086

Super is too good for white people. They watch like SAO or AoT or whatever.

>>778174

I guarantee that it'll be a shit version that Jiren will overcome with plot power.

>>778117

>Jiren has extremely lousy fighting stamina compared to the Saiyans, and that's why he hasn't fought very much since the beginning of the tournament.

I think it's more like he doesn't want to feel the burden of being responsible for erasing any universes since he is a massive white knight. The fact that his only two ring outs in the whole tournament(Hit and Maji Kayo) are people he consider to be evil reinforces this.

>>778117

>"truth beyond strength"

DBS will turn into a cooking anime. You heard it here first.

>>778238

Nothing. Jiren walks around bare ass until he has to work. Even then he just paints his uniform on.

>>777951

Goku probably can, if he rests. I don't see why Vegeta, who has basically been taking it easy the entire tournament, could achieve bluper saiyan 2 while Goku who has been constantly fighting the tough fights can't.

Granted Goku might not care about it if he figures out how to use his new transformation at will.

I gotta say, Geeko recovers stamina really fucking quick, considering that each episode is only a couple of minutes, and Gaku has completely wiped his stamina twice and still can somehow enter bluper saiyan kaioken x20

>>778117

>can literally fly from one planet to another

>"lol Jiren has low stamina"

>>778292

Whis appear to be much more confident that Vegeta will master Ultra instinct than he is in Goku

>>777897

Veggers is getting Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 2 next episode. So we're getting at least one for it to show, then another for it to be made irrelevant.

>>777918

Not gonna happen. It's the most narratively fulfilling ending, and DBS hates to give narratively fulfilling endings.

>>777918

I don't get why people want so much to see El Grande Padre as the next big bad guy, he looks like a nice dude since it was his idea to give the super dragon balls to the winner

>>778174

It's going to be some V1.0.2 shit like the 'ascended SSJ' or the 'full power SSJ' rather than SSJB2.

>>778294

If you find someone who can run a marathon, do you think he'll be able to go nine rounds in a boxing ring? Stamina isn't all-encompassing; that's why I said FIGHTING stamina.

>>778292

>I don't see why Vegeta, who has basically been taking it easy the entire tournament, could achieve bluper saiyan 2 while Goku who has been constantly fighting the tough fights can't.

Remember right before the tournament, when jeets basically destroyed the RoSaT for the second time? I got the feeling right then that he had unlocked something like this. Thats why he gave no shits about destroying it again. He had mastered blue and was holding it back as his turmp card.

I really liked how Vegeta and Goku were almost working together this episode. Goku seeming genuinely concerned for Vegeta was nice too. I actually reckon it'll come down to Goku, Vegeta and Gohan taking on Jiren at the end with Frieza and 17 going down after taking out Dyspo and Toppo. Frieza is definitely gonna go Golden and dish out some damage first though.

Toppo's weakness could also be that he's too routine. Vegeta could read and respond to Jiren not because of a powerup, but because he can see through his techniques.

>>778410

Jiren's weakness *

>>778117

Not only did he just not fight, but after his first bout with Goku he had to mediate and have Toppo and Dyspo cover for him. Since we already know that GoDs can give their destruction energy to much less powerful beings as some sort of accessory, maybe Belmond is somehow recharging Jiren.

>>778496

I doubt Jiren would be willing to cheat in such a way. He seems like Justice Guy.

>>778407

according to title of following episodes, here's a prediction.

Toppo downs 17. Gohan hesistates sacrificing him to down him. 17 will damage Toppo. Gohan gets fucking pissed. He deals with Toppo. jiren will down gohan, or dyspo. Toppo will use power of a god of destruction against Gohan. Gohan wil get his redemption for being cocky versus buu

Freiza will go Golden and deal with Dyspo. He will most likely win. Frieza will either stay as back up and assist Goku/vegeta or go down by Jiren. Either that or Toppo downs him seeing how evil he is.

Vegeta will awaken ultra instinct or something of the sort. He will be all offense, zero defense. Goku will go ultra instinct. he will be all dodge/defense, zero melee offense. They will fuse with the potara, Vegito will ultra instinct, they will beat Jiren.

Of course, jiren will showcase some sort of signature attack and pummel them to dust until they fuse.

Whats with all these predictions that vegito will appear, beerus already nixed the idea of potato earring fusion

>>778570

>Inb4 Gogeta

>>778571

Gogeta is movie and GT only though.

>>778576

Doesn't mean they couldn't break it out. It bothered me that Vegito's clothes were the same as last time even though Goku and Vegeta were both wearing different gear. Gogeta would probably be the same as the movies too.

>>778589

Soul Punisher is for destroying evil. Jiren's a good guy. Then again, Goku tried spirit bombing him even though that only works (sometimes) on evil people.

>>778588

Gogeta technically can't happen (movie 12 be damned) because Goku and Vegeta aren't similar enough in size for the dance to work. That was one of the requirements that Toriyama surely has forgotten about by now. It would also be an ass-pull for Vegeta to know it well enough to get it right the first time. Although, on the other hand, Gohan and Frieza holding off Jiren for enough time for Goku to teach it to Vegeta could be pretty good.

>>778615

>Gogeta uses Soul Punisher on Jiren, which purges the Hakai ability from his body

>Along with it goes most of his strength

>They beat him easily after that

Why is it that a bunch of dumb anons on an obscure Arabian Clamshucking forum can write better plots for Super than the people who are actually paid to do it?

>>778810

>Why is it that a bunch of dumb anons on an obscure Arabian Clamshucking forum can write better plots for Super than the people who are actually paid to do it?

It isn't

That's a fucking awful idea

>>778811

As opposed to "everyone gets beaten by Jiren because he's so awesome and then Goku shits out a new powerup and beats him through sheer determination" like they're definitely going to go with?

>>778615

Why do people still believe that dubism?

The spirit bomb can only be used by good people. The idea that it only works on (mostly) bad people is Ocean's fault, and both Funimation and Viz copied.

>>778866

Well, it being repeated by multiple sources is a pretty clear way for people to make that mistake. It was a good way to demonstrate Jiren's power that Goku would go to his most powerful attack after only a few seconds fighting.

The latest chapter was pretty tame.

Was trunks super saiyan blue, before super saiyan blue was cool?

>>778086

>whites

>not almost every old fan of dragon ball

The quality has had such fucking horrible dips over the years that I wouldn't be surprised if less than 100 whites watched pass the boo arch. Granted things have gotten a little better in super, its still has its fair share of shit so we might see if more popularity come back into it. You are right that a lot of non-whites watch though since I find in my experience that non-whites, especially blacks like fighting anime and games not for the story, characters, theme, logic or creativity but only for that sweet, sweet action and seeing a bunch of people beat the shit out of each other. Even if the quality tanks, there will always be those who watch world star daily that will keep it floating.

>>778086

>Are the people who watch this show all non-whites? I've never met a white person to enjoy this shitpile.

Any white fans are probably obscured by the vocal non-white fans. Non-whites tend to like certain specific shows and they're almost always shonen. Whatever shows they like they fixate on and don't drop.

>>778292

>I gotta say, Geeko recovers stamina really fucking quick, considering that each episode is only a couple of minutes, and Gaku has completely wiped his stamina twice and still can somehow enter bluper saiyan kaioken x20

This tournament is an asspull in terms of all of the internal logic it's bypassed.

>>778336

Thing is we're in a story where Power Levels exist which quantifies all aspects of physical wellness into a single number. I can't think of characters post-Namek that didn't have stamina to match whatever their powerlevel was supposed to be.

>>779346

>Thing is we're in a story where Power Levels exist which quantifies all aspects of physical wellness into a single number. I can't think of characters post-Namek that didn't have stamina to match whatever their powerlevel was supposed to be.

Super seems to have redone the way power levels work by incorporating Stamina and Energy as two separate but interdependent things. This will probably never be explained but the characters are constantly commenting on those two things as separate.

>>779352

>Super seems to have redone the way power levels work

Well I trust you then because I don't watch super I just stick around to see what memes pour out of it.

So some fucking spergs are arguing about Vegeta having SSJ2 pre- or post–Majin, and it's hilarious.

>>779369

Pretty sure he got SSJ2 from the magic. He didn't have a way to push himself there via emotion or training. He was too content with his life to find that fire. Goku got there thanks to Otherworld training, so he could train beyond his physical limits. Both Goku and Vegeta had no way to get there without magical aid. Gohan got there from extreme pressure, but there wasn't anything to push the Saiyans post-Cell.

>>777951

Maybe a GT reference and veggie can have his tail back, GIANT BLUE APE FORM DOMINATES ALL

>>778407

>Frieza and 17 going down after taking out Dyspo and Toppo

I hope not. They had better have something big planned after all that foreshadowing.

>>779624

Five man take-down of Jiren after he goes max power!?

>>779346

>characters post-Namek that didn't have stamina to match whatever their powerlevel was supposed to be

It's arguable that Goku's power level was higher than Android 19's, (he was able to maintain Super Saiyan for a time) but the heart disease was sapping his stamina.

Since #17 had infinite "energy", he started to get the upper hand over Piccolo despite them being about evenly matched at first (or even Piccolo having a slight edge). If Cell hadn't shown up right then, he would have eventually beaten Piccolo as time wore on.

Super Saiyan 3 sucks a lot of stamina. Once he got a living body back, Goku wasn't able to sustain it long enough to beat Kid Buu despite them being close in power level, hence having to resort to the Spirit Bomb.

In fact, one could easily say that Buu's main power is always regenerating and having infinite stamina. Majin Vegeta was pulping him pretty good, but unlike Buu he couldn't recover from injuries over time.

Golden Frieza from RoF (and the associated Super arc) is an obvious one.

>>779369

All Super Saiyan transformations require an emotional trigger for the first time. Therefore both Goku and Vegeta must have been able to become SSJ2 before their fight. Otherwise, Vegeta couldn't have just transformed on cue when he wanted. Vegeta just saw that Goku's strength at SSJ2 was still higher than his own, and so he needed the Majin boost to close the gap.

>>779709

>Buu's main power is always regenerating and having infinite stamina

Yeah I don't think Buu is actually very strong at all, I wouldn't be surprised if Frieza from the Namek Saga was stronger. The problem with DB power scaling is that it's mainly up to the viewer to recognize relative strengths. Buu might have been super destructive but even Sayain Saga Vegeta could destroy planets, so Buu going around destroying cities wasn't really that big a deal. Pretty much all the main villains since Frieza haven't really been that strong, they just regenerate too damn fast.

>All Super Saiyan transformations require an emotional trigger for the first time

Except Califla's tingly back asspull.

>>779716

>Except Califla's tingly back asspull.

They pulled a reverse there, instead of Caulifla having an emotional trigger to become angry and become SSJ, she created an emotional trigger in the audience to make them angry and channel their anger into becoming SSJ and SSJ2, making the audience even angrier, therefore making her stronger.

>>779716

>>779749

Or, which is more likely, if your base power level is high enough, then you don't need a trigger to transform.

As for the SSJ2 trigger, it's pretty obvious what that was. Kale being Broly and about to pulp her newly acquired living dildo. Only a fucking moron wouldn't see that as a strong enough emotional trigger.

>>779759

Yeah I don't bother rationalizing Toei's decisions, just chalk it up to bad writing and let it be.

>>779716

The U6 Saiyans have the power of Mary Sue, so they don't need to do really do anything to get strength from nowhere. Unfortunately for Cabba, he also gets a -2 Manlet Debuff so can't access that sort of bullshit powers so easily.

>>778857

What if Jiren wins and then wishes everyone back or just the strongest fighters and the next arc focuses on the heroes trying to get a new set of super dragon balls for the return wish?

>>779956

>if Jiren wins

If Jiren wins I'll consider the entire ToP worth it.

>>780111

It'd be pretty great if he just goes to MAX and wipes them.

>>780116

Yeah, but I really believe that Jiren is either going to be plot crippled, or he's going to be overcome by Goku. The possibility of this all ending with U7 losing just doesn't seem like a reality to me. Would take some pretty big balls to follow through with the notion that Jiren is just an unstoppable force.

>>780083

What are you saying? Do you think the Super Dragon Balls won't be used to bring everyone back?

>>778225

>Plagues of "Stop hating the Saiyan girls because Goten and Trucks are equally shit" Gripes

I might as well post this Narutard just to balance shit up.

>>777918

>So how many more episodes till head priest is finally revealed as the villain, surprising nobody, and he wants to REMOVE NINGEN?

It is probably not going anywhere with that because the manga didn't do any foreshadowing of that. Maybe the Belmod thing in manga would be replaced with "El Grande Padre" in the anime but it is unlikely.

>>777932

I was surprised that they didn't just do the took no damage thing.

>>778209

>The fact that his only two ring outs in the whole tournament(Hit and Maji Kayo) are people he consider to be evil reinforces this.

I don't get why everyone is so chummy with Hit? When Chi-Chi learns about Hit trying to Goku, she quickly blamed Frost instead of getting angry at Hit.

>>778292

>I gotta say, Geeko recovers stamina really fucking quick, considering that each episode is only a couple of minutes, and Gaku has completely wiped his stamina twice and still can somehow enter bluper saiyan kaioken x20

Remember how Goku Black keeps coming back from every mortal injury? Remember how the manga actually fix this by saying that Future Zamasu keeps healing him? How is the manga going to unfuck that now that they decided to keep Buu with his healing magic out of the tournament?

Most likely by nerfing the Saiyan girls.

>>778294

Jiren is just some asshole who is really strong because of reasons that are never actually given.

Every "villain" in DBS after Beerus is just some asshole that is strong.

Pilaf Gang

>comic relief and first major villain

RR Army

>an entire army

also searching for the main Macguffin

Tien Shin Han

>the best student of the rival of Goku's teacher

Demon King Piccolo

>a great evil that killed most of the martial artists of Earth and killed Roshi's and Shen's teacher

Piccolo Jr.

>a reincarnation of the great evil who revealed to be the evil half of the guardian of Earth

Raditz

>Goku's long lost stronger older brother

Vegeta

>the elite of Goku's race

Freiza

>the one who killed off Goku's people

Androids

>bullshit infinite power engine

Cell

>a mix of all the strongest warriors in the universe

Buu

>ancient evil and non wish ball magic that was ignored starting in DBZ

Beerus

>a separate branch of god from the rest of the gods introduced in the series

Golden Frieza

>off-screen training

Hit

>some asshole from U6

Zamasu

>Super Dragon Balls

Jiren

>some asshole from U11

>>779897

Is that why Vegeta is always a step behind?

>>780161

Stop trying to meme this garbage-verse theory.

Everyone is going to be revived by the Super Dragon Balls and things goes back to status quo. Give me one reason why Toei won't do this.

>>780168

Because it gets them out of the narrative corner they've written.

>>780154

Vegeta gets a -2 manlet debuff, but he gets a +2 prince of all badasses buff, but then suffers a -1 debuff for not being Goku.

>>780154

>Every "villain" in DBS after Beerus is just some asshole that is strong.

Agreed for most of your post except for this. You could rework most of those into just "some asshole" (especially the Androids) in some way and give one-liners for the Super villains. The only thing that binds most of Z's villains is some direct relation to Goku, and even then that's not true with Buu and the Androids (besides 16).

Pilaf

>Some asshole

Oolong

>Some asshole shapeshifter

Commander Blue

>Some asshole in the RR Army

Mercenary Tao

>Some asshole assassin

Commander Red

>Some short asshole

Hit

>Assassin with perfect record

Zamasu

>Self-righteous god

Jiren

<I got nothing

How come the Spanish dub is ahead of the English dub? I think this has been the norm since Z right?

>>780083

>>779956

The Super Dragonballs SHOULDN'T be able to bring back those who were erased. It just doesn't make any sense. Zeno is more powerful than the Super Dragon, and so the dragon can't just go against Zeno's wishes like that.

I'm still fairly sure that there is some kind of "trick" going on here, where nobody is actually getting "erased", but just teleported to somewhere else, or held in some kind of limbo. Of course, they will probably just ignore all continuity and logic and have the SDBs able to be more powerful than Zeno because of plot reasons. Or else they will wish all the other Universes back, it won't work, and Goku will just ask the Zenos to bring them back, and he'll do it because fucking Goku asked or whatever.

>>780180

Vegeta's Prince of All Badasses buff decayed to a +1 after the Namek arc when he became significantly less badass, and he's never recovered from that. So he's still worse off than everyone else, who also get's the -1 "Not Goku" debuff.

>>780455

latinos take their dragon ball as they take their football.

>>780337

Toriyama is not writing Dragonball Super. He is an administrator in the Toei writing room and hasn't done anything but character design work and storyboarding in almost 80 episodes.

>>780459

He gained that extra point back against Jiren, even if he got jobbed a little bit.

>>780459

I'm pretty sure it will be revealed that Zeno is the highest God of Destruction, not actually the highest of all Gods. The god that created the Super Dragon Balls will be revealed to be the highest of the Gods and that his balls can undo Zeno's erasures.

>>780466

>and that his balls can undo Zeno's erasures.

Sounds way more lewd than it should be.

>>780337

but anon, they promised 800 episodes

800 episodes, and they're already showing you the most powerful transformation less than 150 episodes in

>>780083

the meta is that the metaverse is a large hard drtive, and even though you've deleted the data you can still restore it! That's my theory, since there's no way they're not just unfucking this shit with the super dong balls. I guess super shenron can be omniscient throughout all universes and thus just restore everything based on his memory though.

>>780111

There's just no way, Freezer is going to be the end villain, yet again. Otherwise they brought him back to just sit there and do fuck all.

>>780459

I think Zeno is too simpleminded to trick someone, I don't see why the super dragon balls can't unfuck what zeno has done. The REAL question is going to be "Will Zeno allow it?" Because even if they use the super dragon balls to unerase everything, Zeno will just erase it again.

Since the ""premise"" was that Zeno finds it too much of a pain to manage so many universes, and thus wants to reduce the number of universes he has to deal with, I feel like this is going towards some sort of Mega Universe 7 thing where they put all the erased universes into 7. All I'm missing is how the gods of destruction fit into that.

>>780468

I want Cell to come back, they'll probably do that eventually.

>>780467

>The pocket dimension that everyone is sent to by being "erased" is inside the Elder God's testicles

>He uses his balls to bring back the erased Universes by literally ejaculating them back into existence

>Big Bang meets panspermia

The funny thing is, this sort of lewd shit works perfectly with a lot of Creator myths, including Japan's.

>>780468

I thought the "800 episodes" thing was going to be Super plus DB/DBZ — a combined 800 episodes for all of "Dragonball". That would mean Super would be something like 350 episodes (which is still a shitload and we'd not even be halfway there yet).

>Zeno finds it too much of a pain to manage so many universes

He doesn't actually do FUCKING ANYTHING!

>>780471

Cell's probably reincarnated by now. I want a Cell Jr. to be all grown up and with the power of blue.

>>780646

>with the power of blue

Why not the power of Gohan, but the Cell Jr's zenkai boost and regeneration pushes it to a whole new level after Goku and Vegeta fuck their shit up? Or when Goku and Vegeta go to Planet Sadala and it focuses on Gohan, Piccolo, and the kids?

>>780647

You really think Toei is going to give us a throwback villain and not pit him up against Goku and Vegeta? I would love the passing the torch story we were promised post Cell. In fact, I want it more than anything in regards to anime. But it is not going to happen and I've come to terms with that.

>>780653

I doubt they'll even give us another throwback villain, I just was giving a good hypothetical and make it so it makes sense. It's still possible too, Cell Jr's zenkai boost puts him to go to a new form that overtakes Gohan and all the non-Gokus, then Goku and Vegeta have to come back from their Planet Sadala visit and have to revive people again with the Dragon balls. Then you can have a joke where King Kai is still not fucking revived, and that's the end of that arc, with them going back to Planet Sadala and there's a crises growing there because plot.

>>780394

>Pilaf

>Some asshole

He is the first villain and the first person besides the main cast to beware of the Dragon Balls.

>Oolong

>Some asshole shapeshifter

He is just a character introduced to have someone else for Goku to talk to besides Bulma. Also, he is based on a Journey to the West character.

>Commander Blue

>Some asshole in the RR Army

>Mercenary Tao

>Some asshole assassin

I meant major villains not henchman.

>Commander Red

>Some short asshole

He lead an army. He himself was not strong.

>Hit

>Assassin with perfect record

Unseen accomplishments in an unknown universe with unknown level of dangers

>Zamasu

>Self-righteous god

Faggot

>Jiren

<I got nothing

He has a personality of stale bread

I think that you misunderstood my point. Until Beerus, every villain was a visible milestone for Goku because there was an idea of what makes them strong. Hit is just some asshole from another universe. We don't know how strong are the people in U6 are on average or at peak. Zamasu wasn't strong because he was a god. He was strong because he was Garlic Jr. + Evil Goku. Goku only beat Zamasu by calling Zeno. That isn't a milestone. Literally anyone can wish to be immortal and Goku calling Zeno isn't impressive. Jiren is said to be stronger than GoD. That is good but why? Wait, he is also stronger than time? What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

>>780459

>Or else they will wish all the other Universes back, it won't work, and Goku will just ask the Zenos to bring them back, and he'll do it because fucking Goku asked or whatever.

That is the only non-super dragon balls fix it answer that I can see Toei doing.

>>780525

>He doesn't actually do FUCKING ANYTHING!

The manga said that they think that universes are stagnating.

>>780569

>That's probably the only bullshit "erased just puts them somewhere else" theories that wouldn't be completely autistic.

Sadly true. Ejaculating God.

>>780679

>Wait, he is also stronger than time? What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

Stop drawing furry porn Plague.

>>780687

>Stop drawing furry porn Plague.

No, Plagues is fag. He can see what is wrong DBS but he acts like the problem isn't DBS fault.

>>780691

Well the show can't take any fault, the writers and producers can however.

>>780647

>and it focuses on Gohan, Piccolo, and the kids?

That's never going to happen. You know how they had this big thing about how Goten and Trunks were going to watch 17's nature island while he was away? Well, how many times during this tournament have we gone back to see how shit is going over there? Oh yeah, ZERO.

>>780679

>He is the first villain and the first person besides the main cast to beware of the Dragon Balls.

So? He's so inconsequential that you can have him and his crew be a background gag and nothing will happen.

>He is just a character introduced to have someone else for Goku to talk to besides Bulma

So some asshole.

>Commander Blue

>I meant major villains not henchmen

Nigga what? Blue was a major antagonist and even had his own arc and everything. It was great. They went to Penguin Village.

>Tao

He's as notable as the ehad of the Crane School. He taught Tien Shin Han, ffs

>He lead an army. He himself was not strong.

He handed off control to the commanders, then when he finally appeared ready to face Goku he was killed by the underling that actually managed the troops. The RR Army could have existed without Red, which was the entire threat of the fight against Black.

>Unseen accomplishments

<King Piccolo

>Faggot

<Freiza

<Cell

<Raditz

>We don't know how strong are the people in U6 are on average or at peak.

Except we do for the fighters that were within the U6 tournament since Frost existed as a point of reference.

>Goku only beat Zamasu by calling Zeno. That isn't a milestone. Literally anyone can wish to be immortal and Goku calling Zeno isn't impressive.

Goku calling Zeno wasn't the battle's finish. Future Trunks slashing the fusion in half was. Zeno fixed the issue of having an immortal character without creating the Dead Zone and set up the next arc.

>>780701

>Well, how many times during this tournament have we gone back to see how shit is going over there? Oh yeah, ZERO.

Of course none; they still have padding in the tournament they can use. They're probably keeping this in the back pocket in case they need filler after it's finished.

>>780925

>in case they need filler after it's finished

Filler is used so the manga can catch up. In the case of Super, the anime is always ahead and that's not going to change, so they are never going to need filler.

>>781111

>Viz

What the fuck us wrong with these translators. There's so much wrong on every fucking panel.

This latest episode was really good. Looks like Vegeta is getting the Blue powerup Goku showed off in the Merged Zamasu fight in the manga.

Next episode: Gohan fucking dies.

>>781116

>What the fuck us wrong with these translators. There's so much wrong on every fucking panel.

Are there scanslations out there that are better? Most mango sites still use the shitty scans I saw on Planet Namek in 1999.

>>781131

I think I read about efforts to fix that shit, but I couldn't tell you who or where.

>>780925

>Except we do for the fighters that were within the U6 tournament since Frost existed as a point of reference.

And all those guys were still fucking alive.

>Unseen accomplishments

<King Piccolo

He is the reason why there aren't that many Ki aware martial artists on Earth. Hit is from an unknown species from an alien universe with weird unknown powers living an unknown society living an unknown life for unknown goal based on unknown principles. Why does an assassin care about "honor" especially how he wants to kill people in their front and let them know? Does everyone in his race have his power? Is he a mutant? Does everyone in his race live that long? Are they all dead? Is that why he is so strong? What does he do with the money? Does anyone care that he is an assassin?

No, he is just Goku's new side bitch.

>He is the first villain and the first person besides the main cast to beware of the Dragon Balls.

>So? He's so inconsequential that you can have him and his crew be a background gag and nothing will happen.

>He is just a character introduced to have someone else for Goku to talk to besides Bulma

>So some asshole.

<Expecting gag villains to be "dangerous".

>Goku calling Zeno wasn't the battle's finish. Future Trunks slashing the fusion in half was.

Future Trunks killing him was also bullshit. Both the anime and manga ended with the same asspull.

>>781055

>Filler is used so the manga can catch up. In the case of Super, the anime is always ahead and that's not going to change, so they are never going to need filler.

We still ended up with Jello Vegeta. Remember how people loved shitty early alternate endings from anime adaptations? No, because those sucked. Toei is really forcing the manga to accept all their retarded decisions as canon. I really wish that the manga ended the Zamasu arc differently.

>something, anything at all, happens

>it immediately cuts to the stands and a god explains it

>whis makes a comment

>krillin shouts "I'M A GODDAMN FAGGOT PLEASE KILL ME"

they could at least admit they're burning air time

>>781141

There's hype building and then there's hype stalling.

>Goku and Vegeta aren't fighting together, they're just fighting around each other

Surely that could've been highlighted without the audience telling us.

>>781137

>And all those guys were still fucking alive.

Yeah. Everyone held back, but we knew that Frost was a Freiza counterpart. We saw him later use all of the same transformations that none of the other members of their race showcased; the only difference was that Frost employed the use of toxins in addition whereas Freiza's tail was mostly a liability.

>He is the reason why there aren't that many Ki aware martial artists on Earth

No. Ki is basically the Force, but unlike the Jedi not existing except in isolation after 30 years Piccolo wasn't going about actively killing everyone who could use Ki.

>Hit is from an unknown species from an alien universe with weird unknown powers

<Frieza

<Piccolo

>living an unknown life for unknown goal

<Frieza

<Cooler

<Cell

>Why does an assassin care about "honor" especially how he wants to kill people in their front and let them know?

Same reason people go for acheivements in video games - a perfect assassin that never failed a job with direct confrontation is better than a perfect assassin that can just get a lucky snipe like anyone else can.

>Does everyone in his race have his power? Is he a mutant? Does everyone in his race live that long? Are they all dead? Is that why he is so strong?

<Frieza

><Expecting gag villains to be "dangerous".

>every villain was a visible milestone for Goku because there was an idea of what makes them strong

Pick one. Pilaf, for all of his funny moments, threatened to kill his minions and actually gathered the Dragon Balls, and Oolong wasn't a comic relief character until after he was defeated.

>Future Trunks killing him was also bullshit

<It's bullshit because it proves my prior point wrong

>>781141

>>krillin shouts "I'M A GODDAMN FAGGOT PLEASE KILL ME"

Sometimes I wonder how much 18 realizes that she let an absolute cuck put his penis inside of her and procreate.

>Vegeta got Super Saiyan Blue 2 before Goku did

This has never happened before. It pretty much only allows him to close the gap when Goku is using SSB+Kaioken, but still. Vegeta is never the first one to get a transformation, so it's honestly pretty surprising.

>>781137

A couple meaningless episodes between arcs isn't really the same thing as an entire filler arc. Even manga usually has a little bit of slow-paced content between major things happening.

>Remember how people loved shitty early alternate endings from anime adaptations?

I still think the first FMA was better than how the manga turned out, magical Nazis or not.

>>781224

God, please, just shut up.

>>781224

I can't be bothered to greentext your retarded arguments for the third time if you can't figure out why Frieza wanted immortality or why Cooler wanted to murder Goku for blasting his ass to the sun.

>>781215

>Yes but not to his degree.

Typo

>>781225

I wish that the U6 arc was just replaced with something else. In retrospect, it was the worst arc for how much cancer it introduced.

>>781231

>I still think the first FMA was better than how the manga turned out, magical Nazis or not.

I didn't like it because it felt just like a meaningless series of events. Also, I'm thinking of something like Negima.

>>781232

>it felt just like a meaningless series of events

It wasn't meaningless to the characters, though. A story need not hold the entire fucking world in the balance of the hero's success in order to be compelling.

Congratulations to Vegeta for unlocking ultra blue before Kakarot did.

>>781410

That's because Goku will unlock complete Ultra Instinct at the end of the arc and Vegeta will be behind again

>Vegeta transcended his limits and achieved his own gay shiny-eye thing

>It's still only as good as a minor power up goku's been using for the last gorrilion episodes, that is only now able to fight with jiren because they realized jiren not doing anything was getting boring

I was too hopeful they were going to make up for the power imbalance Resurrection F originally tried to solve

I guess that also means Frieza's going to continue to be a one note villain and this redemption thing won't go anywhere, either

>>781231

>Blue 2

That's not "blue 2"

If you look at the hair, Goku's been using that for a while now, or at least in the last episode

Never mind the fact that red was supposed to be the next step up before they just casually threw that away

>>781418

>I guess that also means Frieza's going to continue to be a one note villain and this redemption thing won't go anywhere, either

I don't think so. I wouldn't even be surprised if Freeza gets a new form against Jiren.

>>781427

Oh, I just can't wait to see what that is going to be.

Maybe he'll turn a silvery-white and get all glittery. They'll call it Platinum Star Frieza. Totally original!

What if Jiren wins and uses the Super Dragonballs to wish the universes back?

>>781520

What if Jiren wins and uses the Super Dragonballs to wish the universes back?

>>781520

That would be a nice twist. Goku goes for a final attack and then Jiren just teleports behind him like Kefla and knocks him out of the arena. We can then be shown what happens when people get erased before Jiren brings them all back and the next arc starts.

>>781410

One way to split them up is to have Vegeta use his skill to work on perfecting his use of god ki. Goku could then focus on using UI to augment his base form. Of course, that would shit on Gohan a bit as base form is his thing.

>>781576

>We can then be shown what happens when people get erased before Jiren brings them all back and the next arc starts.

What happens is they stop existing.

>>781244

>It wasn't meaningless to the characters, though. A story need not hold the entire fucking world in the balance of the hero's success in order to be compelling.

What meant was the big bad didn't really have much of a plan and the MCs didn't really learn anything new.

>>781520

What if Jiren wins and wishes for everything to be erased?

>>781585

>What happens is they stop existing.

It was assumed that people died when Buu absorbed them, but then Vegita and Goku end up flying around inside of him trying to save the others. There's nothing preventing Toei from saying that they get sent to a different plane just prior to being erased. The point is that there's a lot of shit that they could do with the story if they wanted to.

>>781646

>It was assumed that people died when Buu absorbed them

Buu, as far as we're led to believe, was just a monster, though, not a god.

Are they still at the tournament? How many episodes have they been fighting Jiren?

>>781798

Yes

A couple

>>781747

Zeno's been called a God, but what if he's actually a Universe-destroying monster that nobody can get rid of? So they (the Angels) put him in this post as a way of preventing him from destroying absolutely everything.

Honestly, at this point it's a surprise that they haven't retconned Buu as some kind of God of Destruction that Bibidi merely summoned from another Universe rather than creating outright. It would fit with their bullshit methods of creating new content by just pasting over old content.

>>780394

>Assasin with a perfect record

Yeah but he has no trunk

>>781222

Now with grating voice acting

>>781842

If only that had been Goku's victory with the plot derailing into Jiren or Belmod going on a rampage and THEN letting Goku and Vegeta go super shiny mode. The whole exercise was kind of pointless with Goku just teleporting away instead of trying to force Jiren out with no chance to respond. He had the guy surprised and could've followed up with a kamehameha just to keep the pressure on. Could've highlighted him fighting smarter and within tourney rules then had Jiren go apeshit and resist Zeno's erasure attempts and fucking up the tournament. Or anything really.

>>781842

>Expecting physics in DBZ to make sense

Anyway, the stage was said to be made of some kind of Super Kachin, and kachin was the hardest/densest material in the entirety of U7. A rock that size made of osmium (densest known stable element in reality) would weigh over two-hundred pounds. If it could be made stable through some handwave magic, a rock that size made of Hassium would be double that.

So if we're assuming Super Kachin is the densest material in all the Multiverses, made by literal Gods, one could reasonably expect that tiny chuck to weigh a ton or more.

>>781836

Buu has been retconned as a primordial evil that predates life. So it is possible he is the first god of destruction from one of the already erased universes. Or some sort of residue of their erasure.

>>782008

Well think about it like this, imagine if it was just made out of the stone? It would've been nothing but dust in seconds.

>>782026

Not exactly my point. The whole thing is like Picollo's weighted armor or Power Level readings. You can toss as many number around as you like, but when you remember what you're watching, it just loses meaning.

We have literal magic exist in the franchise, and instead of utilizing it, or saying something like "El Grande Padre constantly maintains it and keeps it structurally sound like the barrier for the U6 tournament," it's "Yay, more numbers."

I'm going to sit here and complain about it somehow, dammit.

>>782008

Even back before Super Saiyan was a thing, Frieza was lifting up entire mountains without his MIND. There's some good theories out there that "power levels" and all the powers in DBZ are just gravity-manipulation.

Yeah, you can just handwave away everything as stupid nonsense, sure. But it makes you look like a toddler when you balk at even the slightest bit of thinking and reasoning.

>>782043

What the fuck are you talking about?

>>782043

>But it makes you look like a toddler when you balk at even the slightest bit of thinking and reasoning.

Bullshit. If the rabbit Goku launched to the moon suddenly appeared and beat Jiren and the Zenos to death with turkey legs, you'd have a few questions.

>>782235

Yes, and surely I could come up with some answers, because solving plot holes is half the fun of watching mediocre shit like this.

After all, if that rabbit survived all this time with no food or air, he's obviously some kind of powerful God. He also summoned turkey legs out of thin air, which is very impressive and probably some kind of metaphor for how hungry he's been this whole time. I bet there would be legions of Dragonball fans grateful for the callback to a character hardly anyone remembers, which tickles their hipster-nostalgia.

And come on; you can't tell me that some crazy shit like that happening would be any WORSE than what's currently happening. If nothing else, it would extraordinarily unexpected in a series rife with never challenging a tired old status-quo.

>>782925

That's roughly 10 more episodes, assuming they don't skip any weeks. About enough to wrap up the ToP, have maybe two episodes of resolution (bringing everything back to the status quo) and that's it.

Pack it up, guys. It's over.

>>782943

Super is making too much money to end, Nozawa is a VA in the show taking the timeslot and the new movie will take up time from the production team, this is just a break.

>>782964

>It’s just a break

That seems very likely considering how popular it is.

>>782937

We should start taking bets about how it’s going to end. I’d wager Goku gets erased. It would let Gohan grow more and it would create a reason for fighters from the other universes to find a way back.

>>782972

>I’d wager Goku gets erased

That's a bet you'd lose.

>>782983

She has nice Buubies.

Android 21 is still better though.

>>782983

She has certain Buu/Majin features, but not others. What's her deal?

>>782988

I'm pretty sure it's a mod.

>>782988

>>782990

Disregard that, it's just a different playable costume for Android 21.

>>783026

With those hips, she's already won.

>>782943

I hope that they are just taking a break, and then moving DBS to a afternoon or primetime slot.

Dragon Ball Super is more of a hit with adults/teenagers, instead of children. There's really no reason to keep Dragon Ball Super in a 9 am. slot.

Heck, Dragon Ball Z aired at 7:30 pm JST. I have no idea, why Toei thought that an old franchise largely popular with teenager/adults would do well in a children timeslot.

Dragon Ball Z had an average TV rating of 20.5%, that's 4 times as high as Dragon Ball Super. Even if one considers that TV ratings aren't as high as they used to be, the drop is still far too big.

>>782983

>>783026

Nice; hitting a lot of fetish points for me here. Like it more than her other form, too.

>>783253

I was going to say no we're just talking about the game that's coming out soon, but then I totally forgot the waifubait that was in the early ToP.

>>783026

21 gets transformation in the game that infuses her with power from Frieza, Buu, and Zamasu. It's not that hard to wrap your head around.

>>783253

>>783256

XenoVerse 1, actually.

>>783374

Tfw Chi-Chi will never appear in that outfit again.

>>783374

>getting butt bewildered over lolis on /a/

Please, my friend. Please.

>>783374

I've only watched some of the original dragon ball, but I'm fairly sure Goku doesn't go past 2'nd base for quite some time. your loli waifu there is and always will be pure for you. Funny enough, the first anime I remember seeing was the episode of DB where Bulma tells Goku to cover himself with the towel and he raises it in front of his face.

So its about to end, and then entire thing feels like meaningless filler arc with less impact on the story than Vegeta and Nappa terrorizing a planet of bug people and then blowing it up.>>778117

>The way he straight-up said that Jiren was "stronger" when he fought UI Goku didn't feel like an empty boast, either. If that was legit, it pretty much confirms the suspicions a lot of anons had since way back: that Jiren has extremely lousy fighting stamina compared to the Saiyans, and that's why he hasn't fought very much since the beginning of the tournament.

>He's also very arrogant and simplistic with his attacks. Dedicating 100% of his power to punches and basically none to defense, just because he expects to never be countered? That's weak. At this point, Jiren seems just like Frieza used to be: having become unable to adapt to adversity in a battle because his overwhelming power has never been challenged. Whether he'll actually improve in this battle or be overcome as a paper tiger (saving his development for a later arc?) is unknown.

Fucking trash storytelling.

>>782983

Does the new Android include Majin bits?

I'm glad to see that so called "Gohan" guy go

>>783839

Gohan? More like JOBhan! This episode was pretty lackluster though, especially comparing it to the last two episodes we had.

Toppo's new GoD form looks pretty badass too.

So we're getting Ultra Instinct Toppo?

This episode was alright. You can tell they're saving budget and effort for the finale though. Next episode looks more interesting because we're familiar with Toppo and his history.

In other news, the latest chapter is up and yet again it is head and shoulders above the manga and catching up as quick as it can. Actually, with the anime going on hiatus, the manga will be able to catch up and potentially overtake the anime. So we might see the writing quality go up for the anime if they start taking notes from the manga.

>>783843

God of Destruction Toppo, stache is gonna start throwing hakais.

>>783839

>>783839

Im just glad all the Gohanfags were BTFO and will STFU now.

>>783852

It's a bit of a shame Gohan didn't get a decent episode to shine. He's just been average the whole arc. He didn't even get to go full power, seems like he was STILL HOLDING BACK.

>>783853

I'm glad the gods were there to tell us how good Gohan is in close combat, because they weren't really able to show it

>>783854

Yeah totally, I liked the part where Dyspo moved really fast.

>>783855

It would've been good if they'd at least played up the teamwork thing, had him actually commanding the low tier members. That got dropped real quick.

>>783857

I completely forgot about that because it was dropped for half a year

>>783946

WEAPON FIGHTS!?

Do you have any idea how fucking hard it is to animate these blurry piece of shit scenes!!? You think it's easy to zoom out, repeat shots, have a bunch of lines run across the screen with the occasional circle burst out from them crossing and then show the characters flailing at the camera but rarely showing them actually fighting? Think again.

>>783947

>Already watched Frieza pull the same stunt on Frost

Krillin was all over the place this episode.

>>784018

to be fair he never liked martial arts, his early training was a forced matter, he only kept getting stronger out of love for his friends and family at the expense of his matter health.

>>784029

I meant mother`s health

>>784029

His mom is actually immortal and is fine.

>>783869

I haven't thought about that because the entire arc felt like a fucking mistake. If we count the movies as a separate things, I think that the only good thing in the anime is the Yamcha episode.

>>783844

>In other news, the latest chapter is up and yet again it is head and shoulders above the manga and catching up as quick as it can. Actually, with the anime going on hiatus, the manga will be able to catch up and potentially overtake the anime. So we might see the writing quality go up for the anime if they start taking notes from the manga.

The manga is an improvement but I was disappointed that it didn't diverge far enough from the anime. It should have done so when they revealed that Future Trunks was a Supreme Kai's apprentice.

When is Mira and Towa going to be in the canon?

>>784082

>When is Mira and Towa going to be in the canon?

Next arc, maybe?

>>783860

>>783851

It does look like he's going to start using destruction energy. The next episode should be great and I'm hoping it lasts a few episodes. Super goes on hiatus in March, so there's still time for a good send off.

>>783853

>>784018

I'm hoping Gohan gets to shine later on, but he just isn't a fighter like his father. Future Gohan was, but that was because everyone else was dead and he had no choice.

>>783869

I have a feeling that what is going to happen is that Toppo and 17 and Frieza are all going to go out at the same time in the next couple episodes, while Goku and Vegeta fight Jiren to a standstill. It'll go back and forth, but even together they still won't be able to beat him.

Then, time runs out. As they have two fighters and U11 only has one, they will win by default. Of course, it's a hollow victory for them both, because they're still weaker than Jiren. But they get the Super Dragonballs, wish back all the other universe, blah blah blah. It allows Jiren to remain as a "goal" for Goku and Vegeta to shoot for, kinda like how Beerus was in previous arcs before he got flanderized. It also keeps Jiren's character arc "unfinished", which hopefully means we'll get to find out why he's so fucking powerful, sometime later.

Where here "later" means maybe 2019 when Dragonball Whatever comes out. Because it's pretty clear the series is going to be on hiatus for a while. Maybe the manga will continue; who knows.

>>784129

>Why Jiren is so freaking powerful

He trained like, really really hard. like, harder than Vegeta.

>>784146

No, no, you see it's actually the reverse. The LESS you train, the stronger you can get. Goku trains less than Vegeta, and he's stronger. Frieza trained for a month and went from Super Saiyan level to Super Saiyan Blue level. Master Roshi trained for like two days and went from the level of dirt to being able to compete with the best fighters in other universes. 17 is at Super Saiyan Blue level, too, and he just hangs out in a wildlife preserve and takes pot shots at human poachers who try to cause trouble.

Clearly, the reason Jiren is so strong is that he's never trained a day in his life. In fact, he gains his power from REVERSE TRAINING: sitting on his ass watching TV and eating cheese doodles, and not even thinking about exercise. Every time he slams a beer it's like getting a zenkai.

>>784188

>Jiren, through sheer force of will, as he meditates, is browsing a chinese image board

>>784188

Oolong must be the most powerful being in existence.

>>783842

>This episode was pretty lackluster though

The entire arc is pretty lackluster

>>784188

Its kinda both funny and sad how entire Dragon Ball Super can be summed up in a single post

>>784199

>The entire arc is pretty lackluster

Some episodes were good.

>>784188

>>784196

That's a direction Dragonball could take, reverse power level. The next villain's power level will be -8000, and it turns out negative power levels are actually stronger than regular ki, so Vegeta and Goku will have to marathon years worth of anime and play a ton of video games in the time chamber while Oolong makes some time for them.

>>784358

Which episode was the ONLY good episode in your opinion.

>>784359

The Yamcha episode.

>>784359

A lot of the universe knockout episodes were good. Roshi had his spotlight along with Piccolo and Gohan with the father son kamehameha. Vegeta had the spotlight just recently. Frieza has gotten a lot of the spotlight. 17 and 18 as well. The only person that I don't recall doing anything is Tien. It's been a while since Krillin got knocked out as well.

>>784358

>reviving U7 without the DBS cano

>never ever

Super is canon forever now with how popular it has been.

>>784377

Better Super than GT in my opinion.

>>784356

I was really, REALLY expecting one universe or another to use extremely squishy (and expendable) fighters in an attempt to remove strong threats by goading them into accidentally killing their weaklings. A lot of people thought Roshi might end up playing that role, or that either Vegeta or Frieza might get disqualified for killing, because "holding back" is not in their capability.

But no. It's not happened EVEN FUCKING ONCE in the entirety of the tournament, somehow, that someone has accidentally killed. Which is bullshit, because they made a big deal about this rule and then it doesn't even matter. Nobody ends up dying even if they get hit with a giant fucking kamehameha or whatever.

>>784358

>strongest fighter gets the Super Dragon Balls

That doesn't make any sense. Every universe but the winning one will get erased before the Super Dragonballs are awarded. If Jiren loses by default due to being at a 2-to-1 disadvantage when time runs out, U11 is getting erased immediately.

>>784444

It would have been better for Zeno and the High Priest to make the Arena a special zone where the fighters could go 100% lethal, but it wouldn't kill them, just teleport them back to the stands and heal them.

>>784444

>was really, REALLY expecting one universe or another to use extremely squishy (and expendable) fighters

Considering Goku got himself killed by a laser (or did they retcon that?) I always expected, at least a little, for someone about to get knocked off to let themselves get gibbed. But this is Dragonball.

>>784355

can you point out what episodes were good? Because even the episode with Jiren vs full power Universe 7 Spirit Bomb was pure garbage because they cut out the important part where Jiren was struggling.

>>784471

you are thinking with reason too much which is against senile Toriyama, remember all those fan theories about Goku Black and people who claimed a certain theory is the most correct because its the most logical one and then everyone saw the garbage reveal about Goku Black and got disappointed? Universe 7 will win, Jiren will get erased and they will wish everyone back and that will be the end. Not even the fan theory about evil High Priest and his sons/daughters will turn out to be correct because senile Toriyama is incapable of making something creative and original for a change

>>784472

>remember all those fan theories about Goku Black

No, I honestly don't remember. If you had some ideas of how to make the Zamasu arc less shit, let's hear it.

All these bullshit Saiyan forms, I wonder a "Super Human" would be any less retarded.

>>784519

>It was fixed in the manga because Toei is run by retards

I guess thats one problem fixed.

>I don't remember that but wasn't Future Trunks planning to revisit the present timeline for the third time in the timeline where got killed by Cell?

There was no mention of this and apparently Cell's timeline is just a wasteland with nothing in it because androids killed all humans and then just deactivated.

>This was the show that decided to make it that Beerus and SSJG Goku colliding their punches three times is enough to destroy the universe

I think that was retconned.

>Why was he in the future where he was never born?

Multiple timelines, same way it was revealed Zamasu stole body of Goku killed Goten and Chichi then went to Future Trunk's timeline, it didnt make sense for Zamasu to steal body of mortal he hates so much, thats another plot point because he could just ask the eternal dragon for both immortality and ever increasing strength.

>>784527

>There was no mention of this and apparently Cell's timeline is just a wasteland with nothing in it because androids killed all humans and then just deactivated.

No, Future Trunks killed them and Cell kills Future Trunks. Cell needed to go the past to absorb 17 and 18.

>I think that was retconned

As far as I know, it was just ignored whenever it causes problems but it was brought up in a number of ways. Explicitly in the Yamcha episode. Implicitly as the explanation why Beerus and Champa shouldn't fight and why the ToP was held in the Void, a dimension devoid of life.

I still think that the Zamasu arc was the best in the series. It was just not good at all. I remember Goku and Future Trunks were back to back and it showed Trunks' sword on his back despite that already had it drawn.

I have several raw ideas like have Shin and Future Trunks fuse to defeat Kid Buu. Or have the whole plot be about Zamasu wanting to steal Trunks' Time Machine because he can't go back to the past.

>>784540

>Complete with two Saiyans hugging the time pod told me they where having fun with this.

That Time Machine is awfully roomy for it to fit 3 people yet it couldn't fit Imperfect Cell.

>>784571

>Imperfect Cell

Was it like the old time machine or did Bulma build one from a new design? I don't remember if the one that got destroyed by Black was similar to the one that Future Trunks would eventually use or Bulma improved on it. She eventually did make a new one.

>>784527

>>784519

In Trunk's timeline, Cell attacks him after he returned from the past and blew up the androids. Trunks is much stronger than Cell by this point and just destroys him. When did Cell attack Trunks during his timeline? Was it before Trunks could go back and kill Frieza and King Cold?

>>784471

Zeno doesn't care about the rules, but the GP has been pretty adamant on enforcing the erase rule. Then again, he gave Champa a bunch of extra time to say his farewell to Beerus. He isn't that strict with it.

If Super is going to be left on a cliffhanger until the hiatus is over, it has to be something big.

>>784571

>>784579

Are you sure about this? I am talking about Cell's ORIGINAL timeline not the Cell from Future Trunk's timeline, there are 3 Cells in total, first one is in present and they destroy him after Androids are awaken, second is from Future Trunks timeline who is killed by Trunks and third one is the one that caused the most trouble by becoming Perfect (he killed Future Trunks in his own timeline then came to PRESENT timeline)

>>784444

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>>784449

You know what would have been even better than that? Just not having the rule in the first place and allowing fighters to lose either by being dropped out or killed. Think about it - for all of the universes getting erased, death is inconsequential, so fighters could go all-out. Just as well, if they had somebody like Roshi or Caulifla die on either the U6 or U7 teams then do something like die again after being brought back to the stands after dying once (or just use deceased warriors), then there'd be actual conflict for what to use the Super Dragon Balls for afterwards.

>>784716

>All the fighters gimped by the no kill rule

It's pretty shitty of them.

>>784716

>The first one keeps misspelling arrive

Who cares? It's still well-organized.

>>784716

The first pic actually sums it up well.

Never really thought of it this way.

I always assumed Toriyama just fucked up.

>>784779

If someone is too stupid to spell "arrive" they probably aren't worth listening to

You know, for everything wrong with the Goku Black arc, I think what makes it really unwatchable for me is Trunks' hair.

>>784944

They probably just aren't a native English speaker. Either way, it's CORRECT. That's all that matters.

>Would Dragon Ball GT be considered an alternate dimension at this point?

An alternate timeline, one where all the events of Super never took place (Beerus never had the dream about Goku?) or something. At this point, it's really not worth bothering with because they've simply retconned it out of existence.

>>785075

When Trunks first went back in time, it made it so everyone started training in response to the androids. Maybe Gero still had his little robots out, and he noticed that Goku was more powerful than he first thought. Something, something, "this defies my calculations! he should not be this strong!", something something "oh fuck!".

So first he brought 16 up from storage (he was originally thought of as a failure) and then "upgraded" 17 and 18, which is why they are more powerful than their counterparts from Trunks' timeline. But he still wasn't sure it would be enough, so he invented a new type of android, the "energy absorbing" type, and also made a version of that for himself.

>>785082

This is what happens when you don't think things through.

>>785041

Trunks didn't kill 17 or 18 until after time travel happened tho.

>>785087

>>785121

The confusion comes from the fact that both of the Trunks travel back in time twice, and almost did a third. Both of those graphs up there miss that.

The first time was when both of them went back, killed Frieza, gave Goku the heart medicine, and warned everyone about the androids. Both head back to the future but then decide to return to the past at some point later, presumably to see if there's a way to defeat the androids.

The second time was when both of them went back and helped fight the androids. Here's where it splits, because in one of those timelines (the one we know of) Trunks knows about Cell. But the other one didn't have a grown Cell (only the larval one in Gero's lab) so that version of Trunks didn't know about him. Both of them return to the future and beat their own androids.

Some point later, both of them decide to go to the past a third time, and then both of them get ambushed by Cell. The difference is that our Trunks knows Cell exists, and so isn't snuck up on and killed. The other one is, Cell steal his time machine, yadda yadda yadda. The weird part is that our Trunks decides not to take that third trip back in time after all. Maybe he just decided it was too dangerous?

The funny thing about that is that in the timeline that the Trunks that was killed had gone to, the larval Cell still exists, and EVERYTHING is different. They didn't know Cell existed, so nobody went to blow up the remains of Gero's lab. They never fought Cell so Gohan never got trained to the point of achieving Super Saiyan 2. Who knows what the fuck happened when Buu showed up. Since Gohan wasn't such a powerhouse, it's possible Babidi couldn't have gathered enough energy to revive Buu. So it's possible that when the larval Cell of that timeline finally matured, nobody would have been powerful enough to challenge him even in the Imperfect form.

>>784482

The Zamasu arc should be erased from the history of Dragon Ball, but at least his autistic KONO NINGEN rage was amusing.

>>785075

>Did 16 exist at all in Trunks' Time line?

Probably, it's just that he was never activated.

>>785143

When did he come up with Dr. Gero though? Is he just another example of making shit up on the spot or did he conceptualize him earlier?

>>785246

>a few moments before the events of the Tertiary extinction cause by a meteorite killing most prehistoric lifeforms. Arale stops the meteorite from hitting the younger earth and Headbutting it back into the atmosphere and thus creating Earth's moon

But the moon had existed for billions of years before the KT extinction. And it's about 75 million times larger than that asteroid. And just the energy from it entering the atmosphere would have caused the mass extinction even if it didn't hit the ground. And imparting a resistant force upon an object traveling at that speed would have resulted in a release of energy EXCEEDING any actual impact. And the damn thing would have just exploded into tiny pieces anyway. And there is no way for an object traveling from the surface of the Earth to not have a parabolic or hyperbolic trajectory; it would do anything BUT achieve a stable orbit. And if the dinosaurs still existed mammals would not have achieved ecological dominance and humans would have never evolved.

THERE IS NOTHING CORRECT ABOUT THIS!!!

Title for episode 127 out.

This makes it pretty obvious what's happening in the next episodes.

125 fight against Toppo.

126 Vegeta helps against Toppo, manages to beat him, but also gets eliminated.

127 Freeza, 17 and Goku vs Jiren. 17 uses his trump card and likely gets eliminated.

>>784381

I'm really have a hard time believing GT is worse than DBSimpsons. On another note, I doubt any amount of unfuckery from the manga can fix the Saiyan girls. Maybe planet Salad really needs a good old exploding.

>>785377

>>785419

>still having faith on Vegeta

It is like you want to be disappointed.

>>785318

>THERE IS NOTHING CORRECT ABOUT THIS!!!

Clearly there's a second moon, hence the world didn't end when Piccolo blew up the moon in the Saiyan arc, and nobody noticed there being two moons or made a big deal of it because they were always there, and this just wasn't a huge joke.

>>785489

Insane that 17 of all characters has stuck around for so long and grown so rapidly in popularity. I enjoyed his fight with Piccolo, but never thought he'd return so strongly. No doubt his DBS form will appear in DBFZ.

>>785503

>Insane that 17 of all characters has stuck around for so long and grown so rapidly in popularity.

I'm very unimpressed with that. They could push someone's OC villain and it would still rise in popularity. Look at Goku Black.

>>785489

Well, it's only life-RISKING, so there's a chance that Vegeta won't actually be eliminated. Not counting on it, but one can fucking hope. It would be pretty funny if Toppo's God of Destruction form was actually even more powerful than Jiren.

>>785503

One thing that the ToP did nicely was make counterparts to some of the non-canon villains, so I'd like to think that they're making a nod to Hell Fighter 17 by making him arbitrarily ridiculous.

>>785489

I like how un-fitting that Yu-Gi-Oh card is. Shonen Jump still doing that is even more hilarious

>>785489

El Grande Padre is looking very evil. Too bad that it isn't going to lead to anywhere because that would be kind of interesting and we can't have that.

>>786394

>icanhazcheeseburger

Why not add a 9gag watermark while you're at it?

Toppo just turned into a monster and beat the shit out of Frieza. It really would take another sacrifice from Vegeta to take him out at this point. Frieza is out cold and 17 really can't do shit against Toppo and he knows it. Unless Frieza and 17 both manage to break their limits against Jiren, I don't see how they'll be at all useful against him. Frieza has to have had his confidence shattered after that humiliation, so I can see him using that to power himself up and possibly gain some character development as well. I have no idea what 17 will use to help him break his limits.

>>786496

Freeza will probably break his limits, i.e. get another form.

>have no idea what 17 will use to help him break his limits.

17 has umlimited energy, so he can theoretically charge an attack strong enough to beat Jiren.

The only thing he needs is time.

>the bench collectively decides that toppo can't be dead because he wasn't disqualified

>everyone is talking about how Jiren is the last enemy

>whis is the only one not retarded enough to notice that toppo didn't appear on the bench

>they establish this by zooming in on it

>toppo turns into ganon-unbound

>freiza still looks like a massive pansy

at least the fights were well done for once, now if they could just kill everyone in the stands we'd be set

>>786557

Maybe "unlimited energy" just means 17's internal battery can produce unlimited amounts of relatively low-level power. If he could charge up for a super attack that could obliterate anything, he should have figured that out in his training.

>>779716

>I wouldn't be surprised if namek saga Frieza was stronger

Maaan you don't know what the fuck you're talking about at all

>>785143

>1984

Holy fucking shit, no wonder Toriyama can't keep shit straight. Nearly every single movie is more recent to him.