/a/ - Animu & Mango

It's amazing, most of my Japanese history knowledge comes from researching people and events in Hyouge Mono.

Too bad there is probably not going to be a continuation for the anime. Studios need to choose artists for OPs carefully.

How popular is Hyouge mono in Japan anyways? I only know that the part with Nobunaga serving tea while cut in half gets referenced in Drifters.

>Quirky fag deals with Matsunaga Hisahide and the Hiragumo

An interesting premise I guess. The art is a bit rough though.

One of my favorite series. Not much to talk about though. Subgroup fuckery killed the audience for the adaptation, it continued after the series ended quietly. Every so often I get in just the right mood and go on a bender and marathon the series over two days.

>>761922

>Ieyasu not being a two-faced pussy

I see we're dealing with a high-fantasy manga.

>>761847

It's actually a good read, and I like how it portrayed Nobunaga not as some overly edgy murderlord or bishonen, he's just a tea ceremony autist in this. Sengoku was also nice for a very similar historical angle but still with enough comic relief.

>>763896

While on the subject of nip perspective on the guy, is it really a common view that Hideyoshi was actually behind the whole coup by Mitsuhide? I mean I've seen it more often than I'd expect, since nips also seem to like Hideyoshi.

>>763921

As far as I'm aware people tend to leave Mitsuhide Akechi's motivations up in the air. That, or just not being on board with Nobunaga's ruthlessness. One of the few good things about Samurai Warriors 4-2 was an alternative scenario where Mitsuhide was actually just the fall guy and Matsunaga Hisahide did everything. Got a chuckle out of me.

As for Hideyoshi, he tends to be Nobunaga's loyal number one guy. When Nobunaga's full blown evil, Hideyoshi is generally evil in turn. I have yet to see a scenario presenting him as being behind Honnô-ji, but then again there are so many Sengoku era manga I'm bound to have missed a bunch. Including Hyougemono, actually. It's on my list for sure.

>>763921

Alright so I did start to read Hyougemono, and I dug it for the first volume. Then, instead of a silly autist seeing the sengoku era through the prism of tea and tea accessories, it becomes "literally everything about the sengoku era was decided by this one tea master" and Furuta takes a backseat. It takes way too political drama a turn for something that put such an emphasis on silly takes on the setting early on.

Since we're talking about Sengoku manga, I'd like to recommend Nobunaga no Chef, especially if you liked the likes of Dungeon Meshi.

>>763921

In Nobunaga Concerto, Hideyoshi is a nameless assassin that secretly tries to kill and sabotage Nobunaga, but then he switches sides when his lord gets wrecked by Nobu. These are all alternative history in the end, mangaka can make up whatever shit they want to make it more interesting.

>>764409

While Sen no Rikyuu was most definitely not behind Nobunaga's assassination, his life was still interesting and Hyouge mono uses this pretty well.

Hyouge mono is silly, but that doesn't mean it's not political or serious at times. It gives a different perspective to Sengoku era politics by having everything happen as according to history, but making everything revolve around tea and art.

>>764458

I mean, I get why it was done. It's not completely senseless to have Rikyû be central to the plot in a manga about tea. But there is a great, fundamental disconnect between a first volume that is clearly about a silly git caring more about tea than anything else going on around him and going full-on political drama where tea is the absolute most serious business under heaven. It simply runs contrary to the initial premise.

>I'm surprised no one talks about my favorite anime!

>No one has taste like me around here!

Make a thread instead of complaining.

>>763896

He's been treated as the quintessential bad guy for hundreds of years. Him being a "good guy" is a very recent development in Japanese culture, and I'd be willing to bet it comes from a desire to "Make Japan Great Again" as he was easily one of the strongest leaders they'd ever had.

>>769506

Well, I can't say I'm familiar with old Japanese fiction, the oldest one I've seen featuring Nobunaga was Kagemusha and that seemed to portray him as the typical ruthless but brilliant rule-breaker. I could be mistaken, it's been a while.

>>769516

Nobunaga is basically in the same boat as Cao Cao but to less of a degree. As the "winner" of the time period and because he won by being as brutal as he needed to be, he fits nicely into the bad guy slot. Most people with even a mild knowledge of the history know they were actually pretty ok guys at the least. But from a storytelling perspective, it works really easily to have the protagonists working against a brutal fuck that you know is fated to win by history.

>>769521

The question is how much of a bad guy we're talking here. Like, in Sengoku Basara, which just adores demonizing people, he's an actual demon king. In some stories like Nobunaga no Chef, he can be violent but having righteous at heart, hidden by how cryptic he could be. In my experience, the most common portrayal is that he's an absolute madman with no regard for morals or conventions but not outright evil. I consider it to be a fairly positive portrayal, personally.

>>761922

Fucking Tokugawa scumbag.