No.759330
Old thread hit bump limit. It looks like our girls finally got the calories they need to enjoy zetsubuo to its fullest. It looks like the girls got into a lot of trouble this week, but they're still kickin' and doing... Whatever the fuck they're doing.
Shoujo Shuumatsu Thread
Come join in on the comfy blobs of smug. Would you a Yuu or Chito, /a/? Trick question. Obviously both.
No.759333
Also, anyone got the shorts even if they aren't translated?
No.759341
Cute Chito trying-not-to-die noises.
No.759351
I want to feed and shelter the girls.
No.759354
>Yuu with her hair up
Literal goddess.
No.759356
Would you watch a show about cute boys doing manly things in a post apocalyptic wasteland with undertones of homo?
No.759358
No.759371
Despite being several potentially life ending scenes, the cute comfy things were so strong i failed to notice or even be alarmed. This is very dangerous, since if/when real shit happens I won't be ready.
THE FOOD MAKING SONG WAS SO CUTE IT HURT
No.759374
This part of the OP pisses me off. It's so stupidly jarring that the animation is smoother at this part and this part alone.
>>759371
>THE FOOD MAKING SONG WAS SO CUTE IT HURT
(´・ω・)つ(・(・Kneading tits
No.759431
>>759356
Yes but then again I'm the kind of faggot that likes traps and cute boys.
No.759443
>>759351
I want to cook delicious things for them
No.759444
>>759443
I want to repopulate the earth with them.
No.759450
>>759351
We all do, Anon. This show is great but a bit hard to watch. They shouldn't have to be picking through the rubble of a broken city for food and supplies.
No.759453
>>759354
Ultimate cannibal cuteness achieved.
No.759497
>ep4 is 08 07
>ep7 is 11 07
So there is roughly one month between episodes, or we had quite a big time skip somewhere.
>>759341
I wonder if there is some kind of an explanation for the red button starting and the green stopping the machines. Was it the same in the black-and-white manga?
No.759513
>>759497
>big time skip somewhere
They did build half an aircraft in between.
No.759541
>>759497
>YYYY/DD/MM
No wonder it's a post-apocalypse.
No.759547
>>759541
No, it's using MM.DD, not DD.MM.
AKA best format.
No.759549
>>759541
I think anon implied it is YYYY/MM/DD which is how he got the idea that several months passed between episodes. (From August to November)
No.759552
What kind of bread did they make with just flour, sugar, and water. It said powder, but I'm just assuming it's flour. There is potato based flour.
No.759556
>>759552
They also had salt and it's probably just some very simple, dense, dry and hard stuff.
No.759563
>>759552
Considering the shape and nutritional value of that "potato", it must some kind of a genetically modified organism. If you can just crush it to powder and bake rations out of it, then this is pretty much the perfect food for war. Bland, but who cares? Just add some artificial flavouring.
No.759625
No.759638
Yuu isn't carefree or ignorant of dangers because she's stupid but because she's gone long past the feeling of futility and despair that comes from knowing you're in a hopeless situation
the hope Chii has for their future is long gone,she already knows that they'll inevitably die foraging for scraps
so she chooses to live day by day to make the most of what time they have left together
No.759674
>>759450
Map-autist-kun was really the only aspect of this show that has bothered me aside from a split-second in the OP, but I guess what he did was necessary to the plot. Imagine not seeing anyone for months at a time in the wasteland, with map-making as your only source of enjoyment, and then two zetsubou-afflicted cuties show up...
And you tell them,
>Hey you can have this camera, I'm gonna go look around over there and not help you in any capacity ever again. Sayonara!
No.759682
>>759638
Sometimes I think Yuu might have something wrong with her, something besides her stupidity, something else. There's been a few instances where the show hints at this.
>>759674
He's gone off to do his thing again. Lost all his maps? Fuck it, make them again. Or maybe even find them! Its all he lives for. Kinda like Ishii, she didn't give a fuck if the plane worked 100% because she wanted to get to the other city. That's her goal. That's all shes been doing since she moved to the hangar. Who knows what she'll do in the lower levels though. Maybe she meets up with map-maker? Maybe she finds the girl's home? Every character has their own motivations, its just less clear for the main characters than it is for everyone else.
No.759684
>>759674
>man who has spent who knows how long not having any form of human contact
>not even internet, just buildings with no life in them
>meets two innocent girls
>loses his life's work
>decides to just hand them a camera and leave in a spur of the moment thinking
I can believe it. There are anons who would probably do worse in his situation.
No.759693
>>759450
At least the other people they've met so far have been kind and have helped them survive, I haven't read the source material but I imagine they are going to meet someone or something that isn't as friendly.
No.759697
>>759547
It's Japan, they always go with YYYYMMDD.
No.759700
>>759682
>Who knows what she'll do in the lower levels though
If she's smart, build a boat. Which would've been a smarter thing to do to begin with.
No.759702
>>759700
There was a war wasn't there? Wouldn't there be sea mines scattered all over the place?
No.759703
>>759700
She should've made a hot air balloon to begin with, it's not like she was trying to go all that far anyways. Seriously, why bother with a shitty prop-plane?
No.759704
>>759702
Might depend on a number of reasons. For one it could just be a big lake within a country, then it wouldn't make much sense.
No.759711
>>759682
How would she meet up with map-maker? That guy went way up along with the girls and isn't that far away from them, remember. Even before they took the elevator, they were nowhere near rock-bottom, which it seems is where Ishii went. I guess he could go back down for his map, but why risk 2 more dodgy elevator rides for that, it already broke once.
No.759725
>>759703
Fuel's expensive, and unless you know the wind currents, you're gonna need a lot of it. I imagine fine cloth capable of holding the material would also be expensive.
Scrap metal is dirt cheap in a city made of it. Finer materials from animal products/plant products are like gold.
No.759735
>>759684
>innocent girls
>a few episodes later yuu willingly tries to send chii into a potato grinder
>twice
No.759738
>>759735
She should have just run sideways.
No.759740
>>759735
Don't forget this.
No.759746
>>759740
The series will probably end with a starving Yuu shooting an even worse off Chii in the face before putting the rifle under forehead and pulling the trigger.
No.759748
>>759746
>Yuu puts Chii out of her misery one day, then continues on alone until she eventually starves
ZETSUBOU
No.759751
>>759748
>Series ends with a starving Yuu too tired to move, singing the zetsubou song completely off tempo and off key to herself before the viewer gets to see the view from her eyes as she slowly closes her eyes and the singing slowly stops. The ED doesn't play. Just darkness and the sounds of the city for a minute before everything just ends.
No.759755
>>759746
>>759748
>>759751
This show is for happy zetsubou feelings, not despair.
No.759765
>>759735
>>759740
It seemed like both times Yuu was giving Chii a survival lesson: the first about how hungry strangers may be willing to kill, and the second was situational awareness in the potato factory. Yuu is living life to the zetsubou-est degree possible, and without her, Chii would keep running against the metaphorical conveyor belt of their world and never fully adapt.
Without embracing the zetsubou, Chii could end up like Map-autist, too engrossed in making sense of the wreckage to appreciate other survivors; or Plane-chan, obsessed with escaping to someplace that will be basically the same. So I'm sure Yuu would prefer zetsubou-themed yuri to doing any actual harm to Chii.
No.759774
>>759738
>>759735
>>759740
See what I mean? Yuui may be dumb, but she's not retarded.
>>759765
This. If the story remains light-heated, then this is obviously her intention. But if its Grimdark then it will only be time before she makes her move.
No.759776
>>759774
I took Yuuri's dangerous moments as just her not really knowing how to act towards other people, and being bored. Chito has her books and can read, so she has a better grasp on what civilization was like. Yuuri needs to do SOMETHING to keep her entertained, and that is usually at the expense of Chii.
No.759823
>>759765
I like this theory.
No.759829
>>759682
I don't think there is anything wrong with Yuu.
Didn't she say in an episode that you should just be happy when you don't know what to do?
No.759832
This really reminds me of russian book "Град обреченный" by Strugatcky bros. (The Doomed City (Russian: Град обреченный) is a 1975 science fiction novel by Arkady and Boris Strugatsky).
No.759875
Latest copy arrived through the mail and oh boy is it a fucking feel fest; also Yuu and Chii smoke cigs
No.759877
>>759875
Wait, isn't Japan autistic about depicting minors smoking? How is this allowed?
No.759879
>>759877
In the official anthology, their depicted as being University students in an alternate universe; I don't have it on me but it was on a Japanese website that I was reading.
No.759881
>>759877
Japan's quite strict on the portrayal of smoking on TV but manga, not so much.
Also in book 4, Chii gets drunk; I wonder if they'll put this in the next episode
No.759911
>>759881
>you will never hold Chii after both of you drink alcohol from your canteen cups
No.759926
>>759879
The panels/translation for that part was posted last thread. If their age is the same in both, then they'd be considered legally adults. Right?
Also, have they released the full songs for the OP and ED?
No.759931
>>759926
They don't go on sale until the 29th.
No.759952
>>759881
So this is canon now?
No.759976
>>759952
<Enya plays in the background with the sound of rain
Yes, please.
No.759999
No.760252
>>759638
This is why I must care for and protect Yuu, god dammit all to hell. Why are such innocent souls brought into this world?
>>759875
''Amazing!'
'>>759881
God damn, I hope so!
No.760488
The post-apocalyptic tone of this show reminds me of Sora no Woto, but far more depressing.
I wonder where they would be in SnW timeline if they were in the same universe.
No.760590
>>760586
I completely forgot about that flashback/dream sequence in episode 1!
No.760621
>>760590
>>760586
Is it ever stated how long they've been away? Just from the screenshots it looks as if they've been on their journey for a while.
No.760696
>>760621
Third pic from >>760590 shows an almost-aged Chi, so I think they just lived with Grandpa for a few years. Not sure they're actually "college age" since that would be strange for a number of reasons (whether it's the title, how much Yuu knows, etc.). I do think they're in their teens though for sure.
No.760818
Huh. Apparently the fan translations I'd read were incomplete. I thought the bath scene in the first or second episode was anime-original, but it's in the official translation I downloaded from madokami. I wonder if there's anything else in there that the other translation doesn't have.
No.760843
Just watched episode 7. I'm afraid of heights and that was the scariest thing I've seen in an anime since that Kaiji arc. My palms were sweating violently the entire time, I had to stop the video a few times to collect myself. Then just as I'm feeling some relief, Yuu almost turns Chi-chan into hamburger.
No.760846
>>760843
>that Kaiji arc
i dropped it because my heart can't take it
No.760854
>>759952
All I want is Yuuri yuri
No.760865
>>760843
How about you stop being such a little fucking bitch anon?
No.760890
Probably dumb question but are they sisters or what?
No.760891
No.760896
>>760865
What part of walking on a round, slippery tube, hovering above an endless void, for hours with no idea of where you are going doesn't utterly terrify you?
No.760923
So I found this.
https://exhentai.org/g/1144807/e2993cfd8b/
I honestly can't find it in myself to lewd either one of them.
No.760939
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>>760696
She looks significantly younger in that pic than the show/manga.
In scenes like this when they're not covered up with jumpsuits and parkas, I'd say they look distinctly university-age, not high school or something. They do tend to look young a lot of the time, but that's mostly art style and clothing, I think.
No.761044
The whole idea of Chu and Yuu being college-age is not that far off actually, especially once you consider that this is a post apoc world. Modern medicine may not exist anymore, disease and famines could be far spread.
Not properly feeding a child (especially at a young age) can delay their development by a few years. Thyphus can actually delay puberty into the early and late twenties if the child is infected at a bad time.
One of my relatives suffered from a combination of both. He contracted Thyphus when he was 12, and the pictures of him in university look just like an early teen pre pubescent boy.
Yuu clearly is fully developed, as the shawdows in >>759740 (or the more obvious signs in >>760939) indicate. Probably a solid IV or even V on the tanner scale. Chi is a lot more difficult however.
All we know is that she is flat. However there are a lot of adult women who stay flat when experiencing malnutrition. The onset of puberty in females can also be delayed not only by disease, but by physical exercise as well. It is possible that Yuu and Chi grew up in different families (which would explain why Yuu wears a helmet more similar to a German Stahlhelm, wile Chu and the men around "grandfather" wear helmets that look more similar to the east German "Gumdrop" or the British helmets of WWI and WWII. It can also explain why Yuu has blue eyes and blonde hair, while Chu has dark eyes and black hair.). If Yuu for example grew up in a family that had more access to food or medicine, Yuu could have entered puberty long before Chu, even though Chu is older than Yuu. This could also explain why Chu can reaed and write better than Yuu can, despite their apparent age difference. Chu could actually be a few years older than Yuu.
It is difficult to judge someone's age just by looking at them, because a variety of factors influence their physical development (from nutrition, physical exercise or even exposure to micro particles in the air). Doing so via aisan magic cave drawings is even harder.
No.761048
>>761044
Forgot my source on the whole "physical exercise" thing.
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/99/11/4037/2836439
And this is only looking at healthy females with proper nutrition.
Imagine the same effects, but with imporper nutrition and possible disease.
Polite sage because I dun goofed.
No.761063
>>761048
>>761044
You really took the extra step into autism-land there, anon. I'm sure some kind of medal is due for your service to the cause.
No.761083
>>761044
From what I remember reading/researching, malnutrition actually causes early puberty onset as the body adapts to try and make full use of its facilities as quickly as possible. This is why people used to marry a lot younger.
No.761086
>>761048
>>761044
They probably aren't related by blood. Since they both have physical characteristics that are too different to have come from the same mother or father. As you said, they probably suffer from malnutrition since everything seems to be scarce. If we were to assume they're in/around Japan then Chii is obviously Japanese or East Asian genetically; while Yuu is either American or Russian genetically.
>>760931
Is this something from a show guide or from the manga?
No.761089
>>761083
Literally 5 seconds of Google:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4266867/
>Severe primary or secondary malnutrition also can delay the onset and progression of puberty.
No.761126
>>761089
As is logical, as puberty requires much more energy and nutrition.
No.761133
>>761086
>Is this something from a show guide or from the manga?
It's a volume extra from the manga.
No.761137
>>761133
Can't be good for Chii's back sitting in the drivers seat all the time like that. Yuu should give her regular massages.
No.761140
>>761133
Sorry for the doublepost but
>type 38 rifle
>manufactured not far from their hometown
>once used in ancient japan
So does this confirm the series takes place in our future, not just the "future" of an alternative world?
No.761182
>>761044
You might be onto something but my interpretation was a lot simpler. Yuu is supposed to be German (blond hair, large blue eyes with a strange shape to show she is foreign, taller, has breasts) and Chii-chan is supposed to be Japanese (black hair, smaller more horizontal eyes but shaped in a cute way, shorter, flat chest). This follows because it's intended for a Japanese audience, and since WWII was the last war their country fought in, the idea of allied "soldier girls" would draw to mind Japanese and Germans. Chii-chan doesn't have to be malnourished to be smaller and flatter, she's just Japanese.
The other characters we've met so far were obviously Japanese, with much smaller and wider eyes. Ishii in particular was a grown woman and still flat as a board, despite having access to all the rations she could want for a presumably long period of time.
(as an interesting aside, notice how Yuu designed her face rations. She gives herself more regularly proportioned eyes here, while giving Chii-chan very wide and small, stereotypically Japanese eyes. This is probably just a visual gag, but it could also hint that we're seeing the show "through Japanese eyes" and that Yuu, being a foreigner, sees people differently)
The mangaka wanted to draw cute soldier girls, their age is ultimately not important except to determine what can get past the censors. Are they really teenaged girls that the mangaka winks and pretends are adults so (she?) can draw them smoking and drinking, are they really young adults that the author draws as younger for the cute factor, or does the author even care or think about this at all? The malnutrition idea is interesting but I think less likely than any of these explanations.
As for the setting, similarly, you could interpret it as taking place in a timeline where the Axis had not lost and the atom bomb had not been developed, allowing the war to rage on for much, much longer before (potentially different kinds of) weapons of mass destruction ended civilization as we know it. Or perhaps the war did end in victory for Germany and Japan, and both were allowed to develop much further and expand militarily before the apocalypse. Or you could accept that the exact history and lore of the setting was not really so important or essential to the idea of showing cute girls struggling to survive in a cute way in a strange post-apocalyptic wasteland filled with WWII history porn. Authors don't always plan their settings logically, wondering what would follow if these events happened differently, but instead sometimes go on feelings like, "WWII technology looks cool and would provide grounding for the strange, almost otherworldly environment the girls find themselves in."
No.761183
>>761133
>Chito and Yuuri have yet to notice the data sleeping in its deepest layers
The fact that there must be old photos on the device never even occurred to me. Am I retarded?
No.761198
>>761182
>the alt-history theorizing
Don't care, not important
>all the rest of this post
This is 12/10 qualityposting. Thank you for putting into words that I tried to express earlier. Fantastic post, anon.
No.761208
>>761182
>Or perhaps the war did end in victory for Germany and Japan
It hurts
This was sort of my interpretation as well, maybe not as fleshed-out but the axis uber allies crossed my mind.
No.761209
>>761182
>She gives herself more regularly proportioned eyes here, while giving Chii-chan very wide and small, stereotypically Japanese eyes
You're reading far too much into that anon, that was obviously just a visual gag based on Yuu teasing Chii that the stone statues look like her. So Yuu gave the Chii cookies the statue face to continue the gag
No.761235
>>759755
Be honest with yourself, anon; we all know there's no happy ending waiting anyone here.
No.761252
>>761133
>Chito
>good at driving
No.761281
>>761182
The fact that Chii-chan is Japanese and Yuu is German was the first thing to cross my mind when I saw their designs, though Yuu might really be any kind of European or even Russian or American, based on Japan's view of the world.
No.761299
>>761133
>that afterword
Hold me anons.
>>761182
I will have to adopt your theory into my view of the girls from this moment on because not only does it make a whole lot of sense but I also really like the idea.
No.761346
>>761299
>2nd pic
What is she? My cat?
No.761379
>>761252
Have you ever driven anything with treads?
No.761385
>>761183
>The fact that there must be old photos on the device never even occurred to me.
I bet the entire thing was just an elaborate scheme by Kanazawa to get them to see his dickpicks.
No.761393
>>761379
Part of being a good driver is keeping attention to where you're driving and not run over and kill innocent stone statue people.
No.761440
>Yuu made chi ram the statue
>Yuu made a vertically elongated object of rock and metal collapse by making someone of a different ethnicity ram a vehicle into it
>Yuu did 9/11?
No.761441
>>761440
This is retarded. I still laughed.
No.761442
>>761441
I am glad I made your day ever so slightly better.
No.761576
>>761393
Part of being a good passenger is shutting the fuck up and letting the driver to their goddamn job.
No.761636
PROTECT THAT DRUNKEN SMILE!
No.761640
Yuu's Debilitating ADHD moon powers
No.761641
Not exactly pushuu but pretty close and >>759952 is canon
No.761672
Is anyone else subbing the shorts?
No.761685
Three bottles of beer, which can range from 5% to 15% in ethanol per liter.
Assuming that these were 1 liter bottles and they shareed evenly we can probably caluclate their minimum and maximum weight using some charts about reaction to certain levels of ethanol in the blood stream and finally settle the whole underage debate. Even if puberty is delayed they would probably still increase in weight and bone density with increased age.
We can use the Witmark Forula for this.
I played around a little and it turns out that both must be either fucking famished for one and a half bottles of beer for both to become as wasted as they were (1-2 per mille) (which conflicts with the doughly faces) or they are literally children.Even adults with zero experience with alcohol and very underweight on top could stand that amount of alcohol far better than these two did.
Unless I am getting this wrong and they aren't drinking normal 5% beer.
>>761641
Chito confirmed carpet muncher?
No.761700
>>761685
Is >>741743 a malnourished child too, then?
No.761705
>>761700
Yes. Getting that drunk after only 120ml of any drink that isn't absinthe or Spyritus is very weak.
No.761713
>>761705
>married OL is underweight and underage
You aren't making any sense.
The alcohol argument was purported to "finally settle the whole underage debate" and show that "they are literally children". The OL getting drunk just as easily shows that intoxication is not evidence of these girls' age, not that it is evidence of the OL's age.
No.761740
>>761713
So you really want me to hit you with the maths?
The Witmark formula calculates the ratio of the mass of ethanol inside the blood divived by bodymass in per mille.
This is accomplished by dividing the mass of the consumed ethanol (in grammes), reducing that by 10 to 20 %, and dividing that value by the body mass times the reduction factor.
A male with a reduction factor (0.55 to 0.6 for females and teenaged males).
Due to the behavour of both Chu and Yuu we can assume that the ratio of alcohol in the blood in gramms divided by body mass in kilos is somewhere around 2 for Yuu and 2.5 for Chu.
Taking that math, you can calculate the mass of ethanol inside 1.5 litres of beer. At 5% that would be 0.05x1.5L=0.075L of ethanol, which would be somewhere around 60 gramms. Reduced by a factor of 20% (because not all alcohol is absorbed) you get something around 48 gramms of ethanol.
Yuu:
2=48/(Mx0.6). We want to know M. In this case that would be 1/(2x0.65/48)=M, or 40 Kilos for Yuu. If we use the 0.55 factor instead of the 0.6 you get 43 kilos. That would be close to underweight for a healthy adult female at roughly 1.5 meters height, which seems about right for Yuu.
Chito:
Since she is more drunk, I would guess she is at 2.5 per mille alcohol in blood over body mass.
We would get 35 to 32 kilos. Now that would be either an very underweight adult female, or a young child.
If we knew the proper dimensions of the Krad or the rifle they are using we could calculate their height and add that to a BMI scale if you want to.
I know these are only rough calculations, but this formula has been used for a very long time now, and it is time proven. It is even used in forensics. While the effects of alcohol on the body can be very different from person to person or even from day to day you need a certain doseage of it to actually experience certain effects, which are VERY well documented. If you find anything wrong with my calculations, please call me out on it.
No.761756
>>761740
What's wrong with your calculations is using them at all. The decision of making them find 3 bottles of beer instead of 5-6 would've needed to be made in the following way:
>how many bottles of beer do they find?
<well, the bottles are about 1L each, the alcohol content is around 10%, and Chii and Yuu are supposed to weigh around 75 kilos together, so according to my calculations, 3 bottles would be the appropriate amount
but it was made like this:
>how many bottles of beer do they find?
<eh, whatever, 3 should be fine, they're girls who've never had alcohol
Not to mention stuff like
>beer alcohol content not necessarily being a standard
>not actually knowing how much beer there was in the 3 bottles
>not actually knowing what their genetic makeup is like, if they process alcohol the exact same way we do
For all we know it could've been hyper-beer made from hyper-oats.
It's way too unreliable when tropes like "girl gets drunk from alcohol-free grape juice" and "girl gets drunk from alcohol fumes" exist and are commonplace in anime.
No.761759
Since when are HorribleSubs so fucking slow Jesus Christ
No.761760
>>761756
Don't discourage the good kind of autism, Anon.
No.761761
>>761685
Are you retarded? They never had any alcohol in their live, their meals consists of half a MRE and they chugged 0,5 liter bottles each. Of course they'd get drunk.
>we can probably caluclate
>We can use the Witmark Forula for this.
>played around a little
>So you really want me to hit you with the maths?
Choke on the dicks you are eating.
No.761763
>>761756
>he thinks the type of oats used in brewing has any effect on the ethanol contents of the beer
BWAHAHAHA! Way to out yourself as a little girl.
The only reason there isn't beer with more than 15% alcohol is because the yeast can't survive more than that.
Sure, there could be ethanol resistant oats, but I was trying to use scientific autism here, mate.
>It's way too unreliable when tropes like "girl gets drunk from alcohol-free grape juice" and "girl gets drunk from alcohol fumes" exist and are commonplace in anime.
A large amount of studies have shown that the effects of alcohol (especially on unexperienced drinkers) can be a placebo https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7862899. Since neither Yuu or Chu even know what "Beer" is, I highly doubt they had any experience with alcohol before, which rules out that possibility, while it could very well be an option in any other media.
No.761764
>>761761
>and they chugged 0,5 liter bottles each
I meant three 0,5 bottles each of course.
No.761765
>>761759
Other groups already have it out.
No.761766
>>761764
That's only if we assume the bottles were 1 Litre each.
Judging from the fact that the first bottle was empty after filling a 0.2 liter glass and a cup not much larger than that, it won't be too large of a step to assume that bottle contained only 0.5 Liters of beer after all. So there were only 1.5L total to begin with.
No.761770
>>761685
It's probably not 5%, because it still tasted good after sitting in the ruins for who knows how long. Beer with more alcohol in it tends to age better. Though I suppose that could just be because their diet consists mostly of ration bars so almost anything else will taste good to them.
>>761763
>The only reason there isn't beer with more than 15% alcohol is because the yeast can't survive more than that.
There's plenty of beer out there over 15%. Utopias is 28%, 120 minute IPA is 16-20% depending on the batch.
No.761772
>>761766
So? Even drinking 0,5 litre really fast will be enough to give any first timer a good buzz. So even in a "realistic" setting their actions were perfectly normal. It's not like they acted confused and spoke like slurred retards. They just let got a litte, especially Chii.
Then there's the fact that that they aren't eating enoug and possibly haven't been, for most of their lives and that the beer could even have higher than avarage %. There's no way that scene coudn't make sense unless they drank nonalcoholic beer.
No.761773
>>761770
Actually, beer that is kept out of the sun can last quite a long time, because even this small amount of alcohol is enough to kill most bacteria Under modern and clean bottling conditions very little impurities are added to the bottle, which would otherwise allow bacteria to grow on their surface. We had a case of beer sitting in our cellar for three years or so and it was kind of ok.
Beers higher than 15% are a rarity though, and in most countries require special labeling.
Actully, I am sure some other autist could come along and figure out what was written on the bottle based on all the other text we have seen.
No.761777
>>761773
>Actually, beer that is kept out of the sun can last quite a long time, because even this small amount of alcohol is enough to kill most bacteria Under modern and clean bottling conditions very little impurities are added to the bottle, which would otherwise allow bacteria to grow on their surface. We had a case of beer sitting in our cellar for three years or so and it was kind of ok.
It can "last a long time" in one sense in that it will be safe to drink almost indefinitely (even if there is bacterial/wild yeast contamination, the worst it will do is introduce off flavors, stuff that kills you will not typically grow in beer), but a ten-year-old light lager is going to taste like paper.
No.761779
>>761777
As >>761770 pointed out
>Though I suppose that could just be because their diet consists mostly of ration bars so almost anything else will taste good to them.
they are most likely used to shit taste. When cooked unseasoned potato tastes "good" to them, they won't mind old beer either.
No.761784
>>761770
>after sitting in the ruins for who knows how long
I suspect that the number on the label refers to its bottling year, 3201. That would make it 29 years old according to the camera's date. Most mass-market, low ABV beers aren't labeled with a vintage so conspicuously, but there's no telling how relevant that is 1200 years in the future.
There's a decent shot of the side of the label that might have more information, but I don't have the table of stylized characters handy to work out what it says, or if it's just a marketing blurb.
No.761792
>>761759
Just use Erai Raws. Pretty much the same quality/effort and usually they release earlier in the day than Horriblesubs does. That or they're three weeks late.
No.761794
>>761784
We may have been approaching this from the wrong side after all.
What if this is champagne? Yes, they call it beri or whatever in the show, but we don't know if Chu simply misread that or if that is the name of the bevwerage until some nip anon can confirm.
No.761795
>>761794
This is what I'm suspecting as I've never known a bottler who bottles beer that low. I've seen wines bottles like that, but beer is always up to the nipple. This is in combination with the fact that a lot of families will refer to stuff as "beer" because beer sounds gross to children. We used to have a joke song when I was a kid and one of the lyrics were "B-E-E-R spells whiskey!" because everything alcoholic was "beer" as far as our alcohol-less minds were concerned.
I want to believe >>761740 though.
No.761799
>>761794
It's pretty clearly beer. Champagne does not appear golden like what they poured into the glass, it's much paler. It's also pretty rare to find wine of any type sealed with a crown cap like most beer bottles.
No.761805
>>761794
Both one and the same person (me).
>>761795
>>761740
Champagne doesn't have much alcohol either, even more than normal 5% beer. This means that it would probably have the same effects, even if they drank less because the bottles were only half full.
If I recall correctly though champagne contains so much sugar it can go bad, despite the alcohol. This leads to it going bad after after some long time it will begin to taste sour. It will also lose all sparkling. Another thing that argues against champagne is the lack of cork. What fucking faggot would bottle champagne in a corkless bottle?
I know this is a post apocapyptic world, but what fag would not use cork for champagne?
>inb4 images of corkless champagne are posted
Rule 5: Lewd and guro need to be spoilered.
No.761806
Somewhere along the way this show started filling me with intense feelings of existential dread and despair over the implied suffering that the girls will have to endure during their short lives. It's brilliantly done, really.
I bet that one anon who is terribly afraid of heights loved the first half of this episode.
>>761766
>.5L bottles
Completely preposterous. They are at the very least those 750ml bottles, 1L at most.
The bottle being empty after filling two cups is easily explained by a little thing called "they didn't show it" .
No.761807
>>761806
Well, they could appear much larger because they are being held by children.
No.761808
>>761807
With tits like Yuu's I'd say mid to late teens. But yeah, I suppose that is a possibility.
>>761672
I'm just waiting for a full batch once the show is over, to be honest.
No.761811
>>761807
The author herself drew their alt-universe counterparts as university-age. That scene would have made just as much sense if they'd been about to graduate high school instead, and high school is overwhelmingly the more conventional choice, so setting it in university must have been deliberate. They didn't look particularly different from their main-universe versions either.
And the images in >>760939 strongly agree, for both girls. Both of them look more developed than a high schooler. By that I obviously don't mean breasts alone, since Chi is flatter than most high school characters, but in the overall form of their bodies. They both look give the sense of their development is complete, in a way that makes me put their age in the low twenties. Chi may lack any curves, but at the same time she gives no sense at all that she will develop curves in the future; in my view her body is closer to someone like Kobayashi from Maidragon than to a typical flat JK character.
I don't put any stock whatsoever in the drunkenness as evidence. Alcohol tolerance isn't exactly something anime strictly adheres to.
No.761822
>4th picture
Yuuri physics.
No.761878
>>761822
>Chito shuts down due to fear of heights
>Yuuri steps in and takes over
How many times is this now that Chi would have died without Yuu's intervention? I like the gap between her usual baka nature and her genuine competence when the chips are down.
No.761887
>>761806
>Somewhere along the way this show started filling me with intense feelings of existential dread and despair over the implied suffering that the girls will have to endure during their short lives
The author's comments make it pretty clear there's no real chance of them surviving for long, which is the point. Eventually they'll make some sort of momentary mistake, some fatal error like what almost happened with the walkway and that will be that. In time the same will come of all those who ever knew them and that will be the end. It's in the title, it's their final trip. Chito keeps pondering where they're going, but Yuu doesn't answer because she already knows.
No.761896
>>761811
>The author herself drew their alt-universe counterparts as university-age.
That keeps being brought up here but wasn't that just that one extra chapter in which Chito self-inserted them into some adult movie they were watching?
I'd imagine both of them to be at about late middleschool-/early highschool age. Ishii looks much older than them and I think Yuu would be taller than her if she was fully grown.
No.761904
>>761878
>Yuu grabs Chi's hand out of necessity
Does anybody else think they both have different emotions on their faces afterwards? Yuu appears to be more relieved, while Chu looks confused.
>>761887
What if, after death you are just reborn and live life again and again and again?
What if this journey is just like the first and the last one at the same time. Does life even matter then?
What if all that happens is you cease to feel or sense anything, and you don't even experience death at all, just waiting to be forgotten like the others? Did your life even matter at all if you are just forgotten?
What if you enter an afterlife of some sort, which lasts forever? Would your life even be worth remembering when you have eternity ahead?
No matter what I can come up with, life itself seems kind of worthless right now. I guess Yuu is right though. You can't really enjoy the journey when all you do is wondering where it will end.
No.761905
>>761896
Not to mention I'm pretty sure that doujin was drawn by a collab of artists who then tied their stories together.
>>761887
The surreal comfy smug and looming dread are what make this show enjoyable and why I love Yuu and Chi as much as I do. We all know the only thing at the end of this journey is death, probably a gruesome one either from a slip or from an encounter with not-so-nice travelers in this realm, and we're just along for the ride while the author carefully balances the threat of death with a comfy atmosphere. Just from browsing her art, it's clear the author has severe depression and only keeps living on to draw the girls on their journey/to enjoy 2D, so if a day ever comes when this isn't the case any more, the author will probably release the final chapter of a likely implied death and kill herself soon afterwards.
>>761896
Throwing this into the evidence of youth (along with the shorts). I'm convinced the girls are maybe late middle school or high school aged, but I can't put them much past what would be Freshman/Sophomore year unless Ishii and whatshisface were both exceptionally tall.
No.761907
>>761905
>but I can't put them much past what would be Freshman/Sophomore year
Just to clarify, I was referring to Japanese middle- and high school in that post. >>761896
I think the ages are different in the US, right?
No.761910
>>761907
Japan follows the pre-90s US standard (K-6 is grade school, 7-9 is Jr. High, 10-12 is High School). "College-Age" in Japan is typically 19-22ish years old.
No.761911
>>761910
As a side note, only Jr. High is compulsory in Japan. Only 2% of the population doesn't go on to High School, but High School is completely voluntary in Japan which is why I think the nips take it as seriously as they do.
No.761912
>>761911
They take it as seriously as they do because society memed them into it. In my country HS is also voluntary and nobody gives a shit about it. Helps that HS results are 100% irrelevant both to employment and getting into universities.
No.761914
>>761912
>Society memed them into it
You're talking to a college dropout who got his "trade associates" (read: tradesman certs with am AAS degree attached), so kinda preaching to the choir there. That aside...
I'm not so sure society memed them into it so much as they suffer from specific circumstances. Most of Japan's economy is in technology and areas that require engineers/scientists, but you can't really have colleges that focus strictly on Engineering/Science (well it's hard to pull off), Japan hasn't really embraced "community colleges" like the Western world has as a means of attaining trade/minor skills that can translate into on-the-job work or further education down the line depending on your goals, and to top it off, liberal arts and business degrees are just flat out easier to obtain I had to choose between transferring to business or getting an associates instead, for instance. They require more of a time investment, but less of a workload/intensity investment, so you don't end up an alcoholic while doing math equations at three in the morning. With this in mind, you end up with degree inflation in Japan that shouldn't be there, but is ever present due to them only needing certain degrees for the economy, but offering all the degrees when really they only need maybe one out of every five accounting majors or one out of every twenty history majors, even though they need two engineering majors for every one they've got.
No.761949
>>761944
If it wasn't for the humming in that scene it would be really scary. Just abandoned buildings, moon light, snow fall and the sounds of laughing girls far off in the distance.
Actually, have we ever heard them actually laugh the entire show? Sure, Chu could probably be coming to the realization that despite all the harshness and hardship she is going through there can be fun things, as long as you are not a stuck up idiot, but what is the lesson for Yuu here?
Does she ever learn anything? Does she need to, is she incapable of learning new things, or does she already know everything?
No.761950
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Its fucking visual blues.
No.761964
>>761944
This part made this show the show of the season for me.
No.761967
>>761887
I dread the ending.
No.761971
>>761967
On one hand I really want more of this show.
On the other hand I believe you are right.
No.761989
>>761887
>>761967
It will all end in tears. I feel like we're on a rollercoaster to the abyss, and we're slowly reaching nearing its apex. We're taking the plunge soon, fellow anons.
>>761944
The more you watch it, the more it hurts.
No.761990
>>761967
I doubt it'll really have one. The jouney goes on, the camera just stops following.
No.762006
>>761990
>Chu complains that her blouse is slowly becoming too short for her, because she has grown
>Yuu gifts her the old parker she always wears
>they have to find a new one for Yuu before winter comes now
>they both spend days and weeks looking for new coat
>they find one eventually
>Chi is afraid of the sudden change of apparell
>she doesn't want to leave the old jacket behind
>they take it with them, use it as a blanket from time to time, though it isn't too usefull
>stuff it in some side compartement of the krad every morning
>mostly use it as extra insulation when sitting on some ice
>they forget to put it back there one day
>Yuu notices as they begin to drive away and is about to tell Chu
>she decides against it though and the jacket is left behind
>episode ends without end theme song or credits, just fade to white as the krad dissapears into the distance and the sounds of wind continues for two whole minutes
I wouldn't even be mad.
No.762020
>>761740
You have to take into account that most East-Asians are simply less tolerant of alcohol due to evolutionary reasons.
>If we knew the proper dimensions of the Krad or the rifle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SdKfz_2
>Length 3 m (9 ft 10 in)
>Width 1 m (3 ft 3 in)
>Height 1.2 m (3 ft 11 in)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_38_rifle
>Length 1,275 mm (50.2 in)
No.762058
>>762020
>You have to take into account that most East-Asians are simply less tolerant of alcohol due to evolutionary reasons.
That's what the reduction factor is for. For females or teenagers it ranges from 0.6 to 0.55.
I added both options in my post.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SdKfz_2
>Length 3 m (9 ft 10 in)
>Width 1 m (3 ft 3 in)
>Height 1.2 m (3 ft 11 in)
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_38_rifle
>Length 1,275 mm (50.2 in)
Maths follows:
In pic related the gun is roughly 380 pixles long, while Yuu is 560 pixles tall (including helmet).
If the rifle is really 1.275 meters long, then Yuu is ~1.88 meters tall.
That's far taller than average even for a healthy European female, hell. Most males don't even get that tall!
She is about as tall as me.
Eiter some fag really screwed the dimensions up in this one, or the cun is much much smaller than the original.
Military helmets ALWAYS leave room for between the top of your head and the helmet. So I looked at some references to figure out her head shape and got somewhere around 520 pixles without the helmet.
This would still put her at 1.74 meters, which is VERY close to average for a healthy european adult female.
Keep in mind: This is only valid if the gun is really 1.275 meters long, and I only took rough measurements using GIMP and a fucking screenshot in 720p. With a higher resolution image you can probably get more prescise calculations, but the fact they are always wearing helmets (and boots, which I had to "cut off" at some point) makes it even more difficult to get anything "prescise".
Chu would be a little smaller than Yuuu in this shot, but we don't really know the distance between her, Yuu and the "camera", so I will not touch on that.
If someone can identify the plane they played around on in the first or second episode I would be very thankful, because we could use the rotor diameter to do a little more.
I believe it to be a Tupolev 95, but good luck confirming that from the few shots we get.
No.762061
No.762064
>>762061
In that case we get a height of 1.42 or 1.32 meters, which is much more fitting.
Juding by the fact that an adult male of asian heritage appears to be only a little taller than Yuu this does appear to be a more reasonable assumption.
No.762068
The autism in this thread is simply 素晴らしい。Never change, you adorable dorks.
No.762072
No.762103
>>762058
Wouldn't that mean Ishii is a freak of nature since she's even taller than Yuu?
No.762111
>>761967
Yeah, I think the end might be nigh.
>no ED, just rolling credits with no sound
>episode was essentially Chi and Yuu almost dying repeatedly
>Chi seemed only legit happy under the influence of alcohol, amongst a dead and violently destroyed city
The whole grave-yard thing, paired with the scene where Chi and Yuu danced on the edge of some roof is probably a not so subtle hint that these two are going to die soon. But then again, Yuu's radio did seem to receive some signal, and there was some barely audible loudspeaker noises, that were distinct from the wind-noises in couple of moon-light scenes.
>>762058
It's either TU-95 or it's variant. Cockpit looked like it was from civilian version, but civilian version does not have aerial refueling capability. Either way, it's engines are going to be paired with 5.6m diameter propellers.
No.762113
>>762103
Assuming it's the full length rifle and not a carbine: yes.
However I would assume that it is the carbine version simply based on the fact that at no point in human history was any average human larger than 2 meters. Sure they exist, but even in modern times only few achieve that height. It would be too much of a coincidence for Yuu and Chu to
A)run into a human being MUCH taller than everyone they have ever met and
B) Yuu not commenting on it.
I would rather accept this as evidence for the carbine theory.
If we had a good pic of Ishii standing next to Yuu (or the krad/rifle) we could calculate her height as well.
Also: forgot the actual pic I used to measure the length of the rifle and the height of yuu. >>762058
>>762111
I will post once I have results.
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No.762137
>>762113
Wait! Shit. It can't be a Tu95. The Tu95 has a coaxial engine layout. This means that that half the blades on each engine rotate clockwise and the other half counter clockwise.
Looking at the scene in EP1 again, you can clearly see that the engine they are standing on is not coaxial, but rather a normal 8 bladed layout (e1engine.jpg)
It could be that they decided to go back to the Tu-95 (100% certain now, looking at planeaerial.jpg) to eat, after they tried to get another plane to move.
You can see the coaxial layout in planeaerial.jpg as well, but it is lacking in the other shots of the engine (e1engine.jpg).
Another thing I just noticed is that ration packs usually come standardized. Why would one pack have 5 bars and the rest an even number? It is more likely that they all come with an odd number of bars. Do they split that bar evenly, or does Yuu always take it? I came expecting answers and left with more questions.
We can probably use e1insideplane.jpg to get the height of Chu though, so that is one positive at least.
According to my calculations (and assuming Yuu wields the carbine version of the Type 38) Chu would be 1.17 meters tall. Again: not biological adults. 100% certain of that, as long as yuu has a rifle as long as the Type 38 carbine.
Polite sage beacuse ouble post with double autism.
No.762150
>>762111
>there was some barely audible loudspeaker noises
Could you give us some time stamps?
>Cockpit looked like it was from civilian version, but civilian version does not have aerial refueling capability.
Don't forget that in >>761133 it says the designs are based on old ones, but they might be slightly modified. Although we shouldn't assume that they are always modified, but it could account for the wrong cockpit.
No.762157
>>762143
What's wrong about /k/ crossboarders?
What is bad with crossboarding in general? As long as you don't get the boards mixed up? It's not like anyone discussed the advantages of coaxial turboprop engines versus jet engines, but rather consider the appeareance of certain military hardware in animu.
upotte was shit but /ak/ in general isn't bad.
I don't see a single rule that was broken, besides maybe :"2. No shitposting, no fartposting.", but I don't really think "(checked) Trips demand it" would count as shit- or fartposting.
Besides, not to pat my own shoulder, but I believe my post added to the discussion about the physical characteristics of 2D little girls.
If they really want to delete it, they should probably update the rules to make it more clear what kind of content is prohibited and which is not.
>>762150
I admit that my EM physics has rusted a little, but put an antenna into a metal cage and you are pretty much shielding it perfectly, unless the antenna touches the metal of the box, in which case you simply made the receiving antenna much bigger.
Could it be that the radio can now pick up signals from much further away than if it was left alone and not disturbed? Why did Ishii not attempt to build a radio and communicate with anyone on the other island/city first? A radio in this world would probably be a very valuable tool, and they can be built quite easily from literal scrap.
Or were those noises simply a stylistic device to make the viewer remember the dead, just as Chu had in mind when they returned the objects. Was it a representation of Chu and Yuu remembering the dead, and cherishing what little joy they left for them in the ruins (the beer), or was it to represent some kind of spirit overwatching the scene and making sure Yuu and Chu won't fall off that balcony?
Even more questions. I love this show.
No.762166
>>762137
Yes it does seem like they were messing around with multiple aircraft. Which would make sense ofcourse, they were looking for food-stuffs after all.
>>762150
23:17 - 23:21
I might be completely wrong, but it does seem that there are three different sounds playing; a) Yuu's and Chu's voice, b) generic wind sounds and c) what sounds like man made loud speaker noise.
Hell, you can go back to the first episode, listen to 21:01 scene, and then jump to 8th episode and listen from 23:17 forwards, as they are using the same sound effect for general wind-noise. First episode does not have the loud speaker noise that the eight episode has.
>>762157
Airplanes are probably bit easier to build than radios, especially if you have parts and instructions for one but not for another. As for the snow turning to water noises, I think they were more of a stylistic device to make the viewer remember the dead. Chu is seemingly more troubled by the prospect of dying, and about his father's suicide. Ofcourse Yuu could be just pretending to be carefree and bit dumb in order to keep Chu's spirits up.
No.762174
Why are people calling her Chu?
No.762176
No.762179
>>762174
I wanna ちゅう with Chu!
Is it just me or is there disproportionately more chink/gook/western art of this than there is Japanese art?
No.762396
>>762111
As a manga reader I can shed some light to the radio.
SPOILER
The radio will be a key plot point in the coming episodes based on book four of the manga where Yuri and Chii find a strange bullet eating alien/being that feed off of high energy. Their means of communication is through radios and other electronic devices like antennas and so on.
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No.762431
>>762179
Likely means it's more popular with us than with the Nips, which means the show has flopping.
No.762436
>>762396
Looks like the thing from Rain World. Wonder if Mangaka was inspired by it. Or if the cat-slug was inspired by this critter.
>>762061
Carbine would make more sense anyways in context in my opinion fuck you, HoiHoi.. That would put Yuu at roughly 4'7" wouldn't it?
No.762596
>>762396
Nice spoiler, fag.
No.762633
People take issue with them getting drunk on a couple of beers but not with the fact that someone who's never had beer before thought it tasted good on the first sip?
Also this scene was really tense, even with the iffy physics.
No.762639
>>762396
The shape of that thing begs for doujins
No.762641
>>762431
God dammit Japan, not again.
No.762643
>>762633
But anon, beer does taste.
It strongly depends on what kind of beer though.
Some are sweet, some are bitter, some taste almost as if honey as added, and some others have a mild note of herbs. Beer can take countless of forms, colours and tastes. Judging all beer around the world because one shitty beer you had when you were (most likely) younger (and more attuned to sweet tastes) is not a wise.
Also the two literally ate nothing but canned soup, boile unseasoned potato and ration bars the past year. Chances are that they would probably freak out over an apple at this point. Which makes me wonder:
why are there no parks in that entire city? Surely someone must have thought about adding parks for recreational pruposes to such a massive project. In parks you can find trees or at least soil where plants can grow. Wouldn't those plants spread and eventually cover the entire city? Was the entire city covered in agent orange?
The concrete surfaces would eventually crack and allow plant seeds to develop. Why is there literally none of that happening? Look at old abandoned factories, or Chernobyl, plants literally everywhere, despite the entire city being a concrete nightmare. I can understand why the potatoes didn't spread but why is there literally no grass anywhere?
>>762639
Cute isn't meant to lewd.
>>762641
I wouldn't mind not getting a season two as long as the ending is them continuing their journey with no major cliffhangers. A good oneshot is better than two shitty sequels.
>inb4 the ending is a steel beam falling fown and hitting Yuu on the head in the middle of the episode, leaving Chi all alone
No.762646
>>762643
>The concrete surfaces would eventually crack and allow plant seeds to develop. Why is there literally none of that happening?
I think it's to get the point across good just how utterly devoid of life the city is.
No.762657
>>762643
>inb4 the ending is a steel beam falling fown and hitting Yuu on the head in the middle of the episode, leaving Chi all alone
>The final shot is Chi sitting beside Yuu, gently shaking her and repeating her name in a emotionless voice.
No.762668
>>762643
I don't even care about a second season, I just genuinely want Tsukumizu, and the people who worked to make the anime so wonderful, to be recognized by the only anime market that matters.
No.762670
>>762657
>>762643
We all know if they were to go that way, Chi would be the one to get it first because she more innocent and prone to getting herself injured. Yuu, unfortunately, is prone to suffering. She'd be the one left all alone, broken, repeating
>Chiii-chan? Neeee! NEE, CHII-CHAAAN!
over and over again.
No.762677
>>762670
It would be devastating no matter which one dies.
No.762690
>>762643
>Surely someone must have thought about adding parks for recreational pruposes to such a massive project. In parks you can find trees or at least soil where plants can grow.
For a multilevel city in the sky, a park is not really useful. Everything we have seen so far is focused on efficiency; the buildings, roads, graves, everything is made to minimize wasted space. Considering that there appear to be food factories and genetically modified potatoes I have a feeling society had no need for any kind of plant life that did not serve a purpose. Even today its possible to chemically remove carbon from carbon dioxide with some nice machines, which given 1000 years of R&D could make plants obsolete more or less.
No.762711
>>762690
I guess it's just an artistic descision to keep the city as sterile as possible. Still feels strange, which may be the intention after all.
No.762714
>>762643
>The concrete surfaces would eventually crack and allow plant seeds to develop.
Where would the seeds come from? Or nutrient-bearing soil? Sunlight may be an issue as well, in places. They're however many levels up in an artificial megastructure. The cycle of seeds and animals naturally propagating on the wind near sea level doesn't really apply here.
No.762716
>>762657
>>762670
I regret helping lead the discussion in this direction.
No.762720
>>762717
The avatarof the artist really does look shockingyl similar to chi.
Could it be that she is a self insert character?
https://twitter.com/tkmiz
I can not into moonrunes. Only slavrunes.
No.762722
>>762720
Forgot about that.
No.762727
>>762723
>>762722
Looking through her art on her twitter, I am seeinga lot of wine bottles, girls similar to chi and yuu and especially .mp4 related.
We already know that yuu likes to hit things with sticks.
What if Chi forgets her helmet one day?
No.762728
>>762720
Clearly, the artist is the daughter of Chi and Ishii. Yuu is her aunt.
This means things will turn out well in the end and they'll all live happily ever after. They will.
No.762729
>>762728
Yes anon.
The sucidal artpieces in her collection can surly be ignored. Everything will be fine. Just fine.
Now sleep and wait for the next episode. It will come soon.
No.762731
Abolustely nothing is wrong. Carry on.
Spoiler for partly lewd. No story spoilers as far as I can tell.
No.762734
I want more to find more depressed Japanese artists.
No.762737
>>762431
>>762641
>>762179
I was at Akihabara maybe two, three weeks ago getting airsoft supplies because jap gunlaws fucking suck jew dick fuck those nigger lawmakers and I saw an ad for the shoujo shumatsu ryokou anime on the side of sofmap, so I wouldn't say that it's entirely unpopular; that being said it isn't a Fate or a Madoka type hit either. I couldn't find any copies at my local book store/bookoff.
>>762720
I can help you with the moonrunes, but most of them are just tweets about trivial things. Also Dr Strangelove is top tier, 11/10 tukimzi sensei
No.762738
>>762734
Ishida Tetsuya is pretty famous; he did some book covers for Ootsuki Kenji (the guy who did most of the SZS OPs) but he sadly jumped in front of a train back in 2005
No.762739
>>762737
Her first posts about anything resembling Yuu and Chi are from early to mid 2015. I appreciate the help, but I don't believe there is anything to be found about the story there. I was merely looking through her stuff out of boredom.
>>762734
They are like suicidal Russian novelists:
You would think there are a lot, but not anymore. Especially with Japan's societal acceptance of suicide.
I wonder if the two even realize what "suicide" or even "homicide" is. Sure, they know the concept of war, but do they understand that people actually pull the trigger, and not just threaten to do so until they have eaten whatever food they wanted to take?
No.762753
>>761905
They're probably around middle/high school age actually;
In book 4 they go through the contents of kanazwa's camera to find footage of some middle/high schoolers with Yuu noting that "They're the same age as you"
No.762755
>>762731
These are fantastic. Fish, cute, lewd, depression, blood, wine; I am so into everything there.
Also assuming numbers 2, 4 and 5 are self-inserts of Tsukumizu.
No.762759
>>762755
They are quite good indeed. The use (or the lack of) colour make certain details really stick out. She isn't affraid of using experimental geometry either, which makes for some interesting works.
I especially like how she managed to make even scribbles that look like they have been done in MS paint look good.
No.762795
>>761770
>>761772
I'm going to go out on a limb here and claim the bottles are 320ml
No.762797
>>762795
That's a year, not a volume.
No.762801
>>762795
Another anon claimed that this was the year they were bottled >>761784
Compared to the date in the camera (>>759497) that would make some sense.
But who puts dates on beer anyways? Also: 320mL bottles aren't really common, but they are an option. They still look rather larege for that though.
This would mean they only consumed around 480mL each assuming an even split.
This would completely throw off my initial calculations based around alcohol consumption unless we drastically reduce the permille of alcohol in their blood over their body mass.
No.762802
No.762803
>>762396
That thing is pretty *_cute_*
No.762805
>>762731
If I were to make judgement basing on those pictures, I'd say that artist is goddamn miserable and is only finding happiness from the bottom of a bottle. Which is no surprise really. It is pure misery and hell to live in a concrete jungle for some people.
>>762739
>do they understand that people actually pull the trigger, and not just threaten to do so until they have eaten whatever food they wanted to take?
They do, and just like in any largely urbanized society, they don't care. It's just a meaningless number to everyone except family of the deceased and those who have to clean up the body.
>>762801
Well everyone puts an expiration date of a product. But then again, it just might be that 633c1 (or cl?) marker.
No.762807
>>762805
As I was reading the first part of your post I noticed, from the corner of my eye, the large number of empty red wine bottles neatly shoved into one corner of my room.
No.762808
>>762795
>>762801
If you really want to settle this, the international standard for crown caps on bottles is 26.75mm in diameter. Go math some proportions and come back when you figure out it's 1L.
>But who puts dates on beer anyways?
It's not uncommon for craft beers and classy imports like pic related, especially if they're intended to be cellared for a period of time. Even mass market products have either a production date or "best by" date stamped on them.
No.762811
>>762805
Some people just can't handle the concrete and noise.
I am one of them. Fuck this place. I wanna go home.
1 centi liter (cL) equals 1 tenth of a liter.
633 cL would be 63.3 liters.
320L would also not make sense, and in SI you write liter as a upper casel L, or a cursive lower case l.
I am more inclined to think 3201 was the date.
>>762803
>>762807
This thread turned into feels far too quickly.
>>762808
For some reason I doubt that these would be craft beers. Most of the stuff you see is made to efficient, or at least look bleak.
Maybe the date was just some artistic descision to give a "before the apocalypse" date to the viewer.
We may be reading far too much into this, besides: the length calculations based around the rifle already confirm they are about as tall as teenagers.
No.762858
>>762720
I think Ishii is more her self insert. That's why her plane failed and she floated down to almost certain death in the bottom layers.
>>762811
>1 centi liter (cL) equals 1 tenth of a liter. 633 cL would be 63.3 liters.
Anon a centilitre is 1 hundreth of a litre centi = 100 (CENTury = 100 years)
A decilitre is 1 tenth of a litre deci = 10 (DECade = 10 years)
633cL is 6.33 Litres
No.762879
>>762720
Her artwork is really good. I almost feel like she's better at linework than she lets herself be, and her pieces she puts effort into always have very good compositions, even the abstract ones.
I haven't watched this show or read the manga, but I really like this artist (haven't had experience with her as a mangaka, obviously)
No.762882
>>762881
Wow, anon. Thank you for this - I was just about to undertake a massive "download everything" campaign on her Twitter and tumblr.
>mfw we might be on the brink of losing a person and artist this precious and talented
>and I found pic related while trying to find an actual picture of her
No.762903
>>762881
You can save multi-image posts straight from the thumbnail.
No.762909
>>762881
Thank you, anon. This is very much appreciated.
No.762936
>>761779
>When cooked unseasoned potato tastes "good" to them.
This doesn't apply to all potatoes but whenever my grandma cooks something with potatoes as a side I could honestly eat them without any meat, sauce or other side. That's how tasty they are and I think the most she might do is add a bit of salt while boiling them. And we saw there was still for example salt and sugar at the food processing plant, not to mention the potatoes might also be engineered to have a great taste on their own so no extra flavoring is needed to turn them into ration food.
>>761805
>Champagne doesn't have much alcohol either, even more than normal 5% beer. This means that it would probably have the same effects, even if they drank less because the bottles were only half full.
I'm not sure about champagne, but sparkling wine which is similar but might get confused for one another due to language barrier usually has 10+% for example and it should look like champagne generally although of course not like beer. Still, sparkling wine goes to your head a lot faster from my experience.
>What fucking faggot would bottle champagne in a corkless bottle?
If it was sparkling wine and not actual champagne then it's a possibility if it's the cheap kind although they usually have at least plastic "corks" or screw tops.
Speaking of their alcohol tolerance, since we had it earlier about how Yuu might actually be of german descent and Chi of japanese descent, I thought it was a nice touch how Chi was the one to get a headache from that little alcohol while Yuu was perfectly fine. It would lead more credibility to them being of different descent if it's not a simple trope of how the serious book-type can't handle her booze.
>>761904
>Does anybody else think they both have different emotions on their faces afterwards? Yuu appears to be more relieved, while Chu looks confused.
Aside from how much the end of that scene churned my heart despite not really being afraid of heights, it really felt like them joining hands was some special event. Something that could change their feelings for one another even not necessarily romantically. There definitely seems to be something different going through each girl's head at that moment but I'm unsure what exactly it is. I want it to be yuri but I can't let my heart do the thinking here.
>>762807
I suppose you should be happy you're still able to drink.
No.762949
>>762760
>>762759
>>762761
>>762762
Damn, she could use a hug. I also get the feeling shes yuri but still.
>>762904
Through her immense sorrow she will transcend everything.
>>762882
This is her self portrait. Nothing else can convince me otherwise.
No.762952
>>762858
>Anon a centilitre is 1 hundreth of a litre centi = 100 (CENTury = 100 years)
>A decilitre is 1 tenth of a litre deci = 10 (DECade = 10 years)
>633cL is 6.33 Litres
FUCK, you are right.
>>762949
>This is her self portrait. Nothing else can convince me otherwise.
What else could it be?
No.762965
She also drew >>752965. It's not something you'd normally think to write, there's no precedent, but rather feels like an artist trying to get what's in her head onto paper for her own sake. I think this is someone who has spent a bit too much time alone introspecting and thinking about mortality.
No.762974
>>762965
How old is the mangaka? I want to meet her.
No.762977
>>762974
She's entirely anonymous, even in the show's credits she's only listed with her handle. Elevens take anonymity pretty seriously.
No.762979
>>761759
It's weird seeing my OC that I made god knows how many years ago again
I don't even remember for what show I made it
No.762993
>>762881
You're a real human bean anon. Thank you very much for this.
>>762905
>infinity symbol
The signs confirm that Tsukumizu is the mangaka 8/a/ has been waiting for.
>>762936
>you're still able to drink
Actually, I think I almost gave myself an ulcer or something. Haven't been able to drink in a month.
No.762994
>>762881
Got a good few new wallpapers out of it.
No.762998
>>762882
>>762949
>>762977
The only images I've found are of her hands. The fact that she's a depressed anon only makes me like her more and more.
No.763009
She also drew this loli hentai doujinshi, not sure if it has been posted before.
https://exhentai.org/g/667494/e23900c697/
No.763011
>>763009
I could have lived without knowing she drew that.
No.763012
>>763009
That resolved any doubt in my mind that she likes girls.
No.763013
>>763011
Me too but, you know, it is what it is.
No.763015
>>762998
I would buy her a case of wine. Hopefully she gets better someday so we don't truly lose her.
No.763016
Pretty sure Tkmz is a man.
No.763021
>>763009
I think there were actually more of them too, but I could only ever find that one.
No.763032
>>763013
>>763011
Gaze upon these sad anons with no taste. Pity them, for they are cold and without souls.
No.763037
>>763016
No info to go on, other than that all self-portraits thus far have depicted her as a woman. I've seen no evidence for the other case.
No.763051
Did Yuu just acquire SLBMs?
This can only end well.
No.763063
>>763037
What if he's a tranny?
No.763070
>>763063
The art is good, and as long as nobody comes along and claims "It's the best there is BECAUSE the creator is X, and anyone who isagrees must be persecuted" then I am cool with whatever the creator is.
Still 99% sure it's a woman.
No.763096
>>763009
>Yuu
Now that's just confusting.
No.763099
>>763096
I was wondering about that, where did the 'Yuu' part come from?
Don't tell me her self-insert is actually Yuuri.
No.763102
>>763096
>>763099
It could be that the two main characters are self inserts at the same time.
It is easy to cope with an internal conflic if you somehow manage to get the two sides to tight it out on paper, since you can come back when you feel aligned with one side and read what the other side wrote last week.
itsamystery.jpg
No.763111
>>763102
I went away to have a shower and came back to say exactly this. I also remember seeing these two a lot while browsing those twitter sketches, I think these two represent what you're hinting at (being the twin self-inserts), and that they're the prototype for Chito and Yuuri.
No.763114
>>763111
Both mushroom-head and the other girl appear in >>762904 and >>762905 which seem to be unrelated, so maybe they're just a character design she's fond of.
No.763117
What does the fried egg stand for?
And what with all the fish?
The red wine I understand, it's a symbol used in art since...well wine existed, but fried eggs and elongated fish?
There is also that spiral key chain on the Krad keys, that looks like a fish.
What do fish symbolize in Nipland? What do fried eggs stand for? What the these glowing squids?
No.763119
>>763117
I saw a fishy play on words once with "dead sea bream" sounding the same as "I want to die", and I know this artist >>762734 also occasionally uses a fish motiff.
No.763170
>>761944
Finally got around to watching this episode, FUCK that had me on edge. The whole drunk ending was like "they won't fall off, the author wouldn't do that" but then Ishii was in the back of my mind because the thing with her plane was basically saying "bitch, I might." And they've been cheating death so many times their luck has gotta run out at some point. I can't shake the feeling I'm going to be emotionally destroyed at the drop of a hat.
No.763181
>>762998
>>763015
>>rest
If you are so interested in her(?), just contact her(?).
No.763183
>>763181
I don't think that would end well.
No.763185
>>763183
Do it. Make her kokoro doki doki by sending her a pic of your roses and a letter full of polite compliments and well-wishes.
No.763192
>>763185
>>763183
And say Hi from us.
No.763212
>>763181
Maybe some other time. In English even if she shows extreme suicidal thoughts.
No.763247
This is my theory.
Yuu is supposed to be interpreted as a white girl, while Chito is Japanese. The "postapocalyptic world" Chito and Yuu are traversing, which is devoid of such concepts as home, food, and many other things is OUR world NOW. They are travelling in a desolate world of nothing, and the only things that remain of value are old things, symbolically represented in the kettenkrad and their uniforms. Yuu and Chito are Whites and the Japanese living in a world that has condemned and rejected us, and then destroyed itself. Yuu and Chito are the descendants of the sides that lost the great struggle, but it was a phyrric victory for the world itself has died through our loss.
The feeling of loneliness, love and the fact these two girls are travelling together is an expression of the knowledge that in this world there are only whites and the japanese that have that something, a similar root, a possibility of mutual understanding and idealism, subtlety of emotion and thought which other races cannot understand or feel. This is why Yuu goes "What would I do without Chii?" and why Chito does the same. See pic. In this scene Chii is scared that Yuu will abandon her or won't be there, and the sound Yuu's footsteps make echo long, giving a sense of dread and finality. Both of them are terrified of a prospect of existing in a world where the other does not exist.
I like to think fiction as a whole can act as a prophecy by accident. Perhaps the anime as a whole is a prophecy of what is to come or is already here.
No.763250
>>763247
>Yuu is supposed to be interpreted as a white girl, while Chito is Japanese
Or you know, to be more precise german and japanese. Not like the japs love for (ww2 germany) is a secret or anything. Also Yuu is using the japanese rifle while Chi drives the german kettenkrad. If you want to hypothesize like this you might as well go all the way.
No.763256
>>763250
Yeah. I'm just too tired to go full autist at the moment.
No.763258
>>763256
Try again once you're rested. That kind of autism is a good part of what makes these threads great.
No.763269
>>763247
Read Doomed city by Strugazky brothers, you fags and russian scify in general. You wont be able to understand how you can feel curiosity (or similar emotions) if your whole planet is fucked or you have like a week to live instead of dread.
>I like to think fiction as a whole can act as a prophecy by accident. Perhaps the anime as a whole is a prophecy of what is to come or is already here.
You talk like a fag and your shit is all retarded.
>Both of them are terrified of a prospect of existing in a world where the other does not exist.
They are not terrified. Yuu is quite content with their predicament and she dont know any better and chi is fine with it because she takes role of reliable member of the group and she cant afford to be sad. They showed fear like only a times and all of them was related to acrophobia. They never showed any dread. Closest thing to sadness was "wouldnt it be nice to have a nice furnished room to live in with food and shit".
>The feeling of loneliness
When they fucking feeled lonely? They meet 2 characters(excluding backstory) and they never tried to keep them as company. They even mentioned that it doesnt matter if they live or die, since they never meet them again.
All that said, author might feel these feeling or have some understanding of them, but the characters do not.
No.763303
>richard dawkins meme book
>lain
Is tsukumizu /ourgirl/?
No.763325
>>763303
She has outstanding taste that's for sure.
No.763334
I want to hug Tsukumizu and tell her everything's gonna be daijoubu.
>but I literally and figuratively am not able to
>>762807
I have yet to watch an episode while sober. Drunk off my ass from cheap amaretto right now. Send help.
>>762904
Is the mushroom a symbol of her profound sadness? Will it take her far, far away one of these days?
>>762994
Cute girls and WWII machinery truly are a match made in heaven. I wish I could own a Type 38 and a Kettenkrad.
>>763192
>the absolute madman does
>no more chapters
>no more anything
>>763303
>too many electrons inside the cytosine
Now I want to bully her.
No.763387
>>763334
Don't you mean だいじょぶぅ？
No.763420
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Full version of this came out too.
No.763422
>>763117
>What does the fried egg stand for?
Fried nerves, stress, frustration probably. When you're living in a city and you never get a moment of silence and peace even in dead of the night you become sort of eternally angry. Physiologically speaking it feels bit like there's smoldering coals inside your head. It's controllable, and you could fry eggs on them, but it throws you out of a loop for a moment when someone tries to interact with you in some positive manner.
Probably partially the reason she settled on the concept of a city with no people in it. Thus far, every person they have come across have been meaningful
What does wine symbolize though?
No.763423
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Chi and Yuu character song.
No.763440
>>763420
Oh god yes. I merely hoped there'd be a full version of this. This is excellent. Thanks for the heads up, Anon.
>>763423
>Composer: Tomggg
It just keeps getting better.
No.763466
>>763464
I can't enough runes to do this one. Don't suppose you have it in text?
No.763470
>>763466
I could transcribe it but I really can't be bothered. The point was the random engrish thrown in where it's clearly not what they're singing.
No.763579
>>763419
>>763418
>>763420
Gud shit.
>>763422
Red wine stand for many things, and it depends on how it is depicted on what exactly it is meant to symbolize.
First of all: the absolutely obvious thing it can sybolize is blood. Spill a glass of wine on your shirt and you will look like someone shot you. The blood of the earth being sucked up by humans and drunk for their joy.
Another thing it symbolizes is not only joy but also luxury.
Metamorphosis. It can represent change as well as stagnation at the same time, since wine is made from grapes (change), but also requires a long time to be truly good (stagnation).
It can also represent a feeling of nostalgia, since you are drinking the juice of a forgotten era.
Nature is also one of the things it can stand for, especially enjoying nature. Sunshine in a bottle et cetera.
Strength, vitality, deieties, ever twisting shapes (vines), peace and friendship (sharing of wine), as well as a connection between spirits (oblation as well as having a drink with the mates), fertility (fertile soil), peace (known as the time where good wine is made), as well as war (where good wine is drunken by those who win). It can also stand for vanity (drinking too expensive wine), wastefullness (splashing around wine), death (wine and blood stains), as well as many other things. It depends on the context a lot, and it is difficult to give a general idea what wine can stand for without giving concrete examples.
No.763717
>>763464
Horriblesubs version has it translated (roughly) in one of the more recent episodes.
No.763917
>>763117
The key chain looks exactly like these spring feeder things that are used to lure fish to your hooks. You pretty much tie to along your line, above the hooks, and stuff it with cornmeal. They are usually weighted to help cast further.
I don't know what the symbology is behind her use of fishes, but perhaps she simply likes them. Sometimes it's as simple as that. But I'm just saying that because I like fish; They're cool, and tasty, and clean, and good for you (Minus the mercury and plastic particles, of course.)
No.763922
>>763183
>>763181
>>763185
>>763192
>>763303
Times likes these I wish I knew enough moonrunes to be able to do something cool like that. Maybe she would have came to shitpost with us once.
No.763938
No.763941
>>763934
Not even being subtle anymore.
No.763950
>Die Welt ist mein Wille
>"The world is my will" in German
Arthur Schopenhauer wrote a book called "Die Welt als Wille und Repräsentation" (The world as will and representation) in which he describes his views on how humans view the world.
He claims that it is only the human mind making everything seems as it is, and that nobody sees the world in the same way. How you see the world depends on how you want to see it, and how you want to see it depends on how you think about the world. Thus you in theory have the power to controll the world by changing how you think about it. If you think the world is a happy place it is (to you), and if you don't it won't ever be (to you).
According to him noone can truly grasp the true shape of an object, because we are all disconnected from it and can only see it from our perspective, which is subjective. He then claims that the true object itself is just a manifestation if what humans want it to be.
If we were to take this and apply it to the show, then Yuu, Chi and the city only exist as long as they experience eachother. If the city can't see then anyone wandering the city alone won't exist. This could be why Yuu doesn't remember anything there isn't a picture of. These things just don't exist to her, because she has such a bad memory. Chi on the other hand is the opposite. To her only the things in the past or future matter. Her current surroundings are only of importance when she is afraid of heights, and only because she imagines what it would be like to fall down. Yuu isn't like that. She can only see the present, doesn't care about the future and forgets the past. She couldn't care less about falling down unless it is actually happening. This is why the scene where Yuu and Chi almost fall off the massive tower with the kettenkrad is so important. They are for the first time connected in fear about the present.
This would also explain why Yuu was so utterly terrified when Chi doesn't respond in the darkness of the temple. For the first time she was faced with Chi not existing in her reality. She had no picture, written proof or even a memento of her. She was faced with literally losing Chi for a moment of her life. To her it must have felt like Chi was actually dead for a moment and she was alone in the world. Not only that, but she was alone, without a world to be in, since the temple around her ceased to exist when she couldn't see it anymore.
This also explains the scene on the Tu-95's wings, where Yuu stole the ration bar. Yuu was faced with a problem of the present and didn't consider future consequences with her approach of solving it. Chi on the other hand didn't care about the problem of the present (hunger) and more about the prospect of getting shot in the fucking face which would have ended her future.
Fuck man, this shit goes deeper than I had thought. Schopenhauer is key to understanding this entire series, and possibly even more.
This could also explai why she paints all of these random objects. By preserving the way she sees them, she is literally preserving a part of herself. By painting how she sees herself (in her avatars) she is trying to preserve her self image beyond the current moment Present day, present time. This is getting far deeper than I have ever seen. I want to see what is at the end of Mr. Bone's wild ride.
No.763954
>>763950
The concept that "All is Mind" has been deeply explored in many esoteric and philosophical works and has been taken as Truth by a number of great minds throughout the ages. Nikola Tesla comes to mind with "Everything is Light". From my limited understanding it has been demonstrated through the double slit experiment.
To give some examples: In Hermeticism, on of the seven principles is the Principle of Mentalism, that the Universe is Mental and All is Mind. Which is the same as the Generative Principle (God Principle) in Freemasonry. It is considered a fundamental Truth of Natural Law.
I believe we touching on similar theories when discussing Flip Flappers, once we dug into it and found Jakob von Uexküll's work on his theory of Umwelt.
There's more - much more - to it, but my mind is mush and I haven't read enough.
No.763955
>>763464
Posting the lyrics; note that the moon runes in parentheses represent what's actually being pronounced instead of the ENGRRISH. Will post a translation later.
>inb4 back to /PolI
fuck off kike the Jew fears the Samurai
Lyrics for 動く、動く (Moving, Moving)
今日はもう引き返そうかな
明日は もっと行けるかな
kick she mood （play on 軋む, meaning Creaks)
見つけたい遠く 「嬉しい」を多く
キラリ光るHope 動く、動く
とりとめないTalk どこまでも続く
さよならさ孤独
we go walk, we go walk (Play on 動く、動く)
難解なパズルを解く様に
きっと何回も
「知りたい」を知るから
だから１・２・３で歩き出せ
今日も明日も昨日も変わらない
ならば１・２・３ a looking that's said (A play on 歩き出せ）
回る世界と逆向きで
そうさ１・２・３で on dreaming that's said (踊りだせ）
今日も明日も昨日も忘れたい
ならば１・２・３で we go walking that's said (動き出せ）
きっとそれが A A A A Answerさ
巨大な灰色の壁
どうしたいか まだわからないから
throw through move （Play on 進む, to advance)
殊の外遠く けどどうか届く
その先がGoal 動く、動く
とどのつまりJoke そりゃきっと凍る
まだ少し行ける
we go walk, we go walk (play on 動く、動く)
温かいコーヒーすするように
ずっと待った甲斐
それが今、示すから
だから１・２・３で笑いだせ
今日も明日も昨日も変わらない
だけど１・２・３で what lying that's said (笑い出せ）
変わる景色と同じ様に
そうさ１・２・３で on dreaming that's said （踊りだせ）
今日も明日も昨日も忘れたい
ならば１˙２˙３で we go walking that's said （動き出せ）
きっとそれが A A A A Answerさ
そう wonder world
今日も難解なパズルを解く様に
きっと何位も
「知りたい」を知るから
だから１・２・３で歩き出せ
今日も明日も昨日も変わらない
ならば１・２・３で a looking that's said （a play on 歩き出せ, but pronounced in )
回る世界と逆向きで
そうさ１・２・３で on dreaming that's said
今日も明日も昨日も忘れたい
ならば１・２・３で we go walking that's said
きっとそれが 心が求めた A A A A Answerさ
No.763956
>>763950
>He claims that it is only the human mind making everything seems as it is, and that nobody sees the world in the same way. How you see the world depends on how you want to see it, and how you want to see it depends on how you think about the world. Thus you in theory have the power to controll the world by changing how you think about it. If you think the world is a happy place it is (to you), and if you don't it won't ever be (to you).
>According to him noone can truly grasp the true shape of an object, because we are all disconnected from it and can only see it from our perspective, which is subjective. He then claims that the true object itself is just a manifestation if what humans want it to be.
Yeah, eyes cant see most part of the electromagnetic spectrum, we cant actually see objects, we see light reflected from them, objects are made out of molecules which are made from atoms which are made from subatomic particles which are made out of 26 dimensional bullshit. Not to mention that mind interprets all the data from eyes, ignoring parts which are deem unnecessary and drawing missing parts.
>world is a happy place if you believe in it
Bullshit. World is a happy place if you can produce enough serotonin in your brain.
>Fuck man, this shit goes deeper than I had thought. Schopenhauer is key to understanding this entire series, and possibly even more.
Deeper than your moms vagina. You overthinking it and trowing random bullshit just because. Its like prophesies. The more vague the prophesy is the more chances it will happen again and again.
>>763954
And you sound like you been listening to random charlatans a lot.
No.763960
It's a shit, amateur translation; don't quote me on it.
>Moonrunes
<translated by this here anon
Lyrics: Moving, Moving
>今日はもう引き返そうかな
<Maybe we should head back for the day
>明日は もっと行けるかな
<Maybe we can go further tomorrow
>kick she mood （play on 軋む, meaning Creaks)
<Creaking
>見つけたい遠く 「嬉しい」を多く
<Want to find what’s far, more "happiness"
>キラリ光るHope 動く、動く
<Shining glimmering hope, Moving Moving
>とりとめないTalk どこまでも続く
<Insignificant talks, going on forever
>さよならさ孤独
<Goodbye loneliness
>we go walk, we go walk (Play on 動く、動く)
Moving, Moving
>難解なパズルを解く様に
<Like solving a difficult puzzle
>きっと何回も
<I’m sure that again and again
>「知りたい」を知るから
<we’ll know what we “want to know”
>だから１・２・３で歩き出せ
<So then let’s walk on on the count of three
>今日も明日も昨日も変わらない
<nothing changes today, tomorrow or yesterday
>ならば１・２・３ a looking that's said (A play on 歩き出せ）
<Then let’s walk on on the count of three
>回る世界と逆向きで
<Against the spinning of the earth
>そうさ１・２・３で on dreaming that's said (踊りだせ）
<Yeah, let’s dance out in the count of three
>今日も明日も昨日も忘れたい
<I want to forget about today , tomorrow or yesterday
>ならば１・２・３で we go walking that's said (動き出せ）
<So why not move on on the count of three
>きっとそれが A A A A Answerさ
<I’m sure that’s the AAAAnswer
>巨大な灰色の壁
<A giant grey wall
>どうしたいか まだわからないから
<We still don’t know what we want to do
>throw through move （Play on 進む, to advance)
<so we go on
>殊の外遠く けどどうか届く
<Defying expectation maybe it may go on through
>その先がGoal 動く、動く
<In it’s front the Goal Moving Moving
>とどのつまりJoke そりゃきっと凍る
<After all its a joke of course it would freeze
>まだ少し行ける
<We can still go on a little more
>we go walk, we go walk (play on 動く、動く)
<Moving Moving
>温かいコーヒーすするように
<Like sipping on hot coffee
>ずっと待った甲斐
<The time spent waiting will come off
>それが今、示すから
>It will all be revealed now
>だから１・２・３で笑いだせ
<so then on 1,2,3, and lets laugh out loud
>今日も明日も昨日も変わらない
<nothing changes today, tomorrow or yesterday
>だけど１・２・３で what lying that's said (笑い出せ）
<But let laugh out loud on the count of three
>変わる景色と同じ様に
<Just like the passing background
>そうさ１・２・３で on dreaming that's said （踊りだせ）
<Yeah, let’s dance out in the count of three
>今日も明日も昨日も忘れたい
<I want to forget about today, tomorrow, and yesterday
>ならば１˙２˙３で we go walking that's said （動き出せ）
<So then let's walk on on the count of three
>きっとそれが A A A A Answerさ
<That’s probably the AAAnswer
>そう wonder world
<Yes, wonderworld
>今日も難解なパズルを解く様に
<Even today is like solving a complicated puzzle
>きっと何回も
<I’m sure that again and again
>「知りたい」を知るから
<We’ll know what we “want to know”
>だから１・２・３で歩き出せ
<So then walk on on the count of three
>今日も明日も昨日も変わらない
<nothing changes today, tomorrow or yesterday
>ならば１・２・３で a looking that's said （a play on 歩き出せ, but pronounced in )
<So then walk on on the count of three
>回る世界と逆向きで
<against the spinning of the earth
>そうさ１・２・３で on dreaming that's said
<Yeah, let’s dance out in the count of three
>今日も明日も昨日も忘れたい
<I want to forget about today, tomorrow, and yesterday
>ならば１・２・３で we go walking that's said
<So then in 1,2,3 lets move on
>きっとそれが 心が求めた A A A A Answerさ
<Because that’s probably the answer our hearts wanted
Off to sleep
No.763962
>>763446
Underrated
>>763917
I've been wondering if the "-mizu" part of her pen name ties in with the fish/aquatic thing at all, but I have no knowledge of moonrune, and couldn't begin to guess what "Tsuku-" means.
>>763934
This worries me so deeply. She's crying tears of happiness that she's dead. Who is the other girl? A close personal friend who may have died? Her mother? Please, oh please do not off yourself...
No.763964
>>763955
Lurk more, faggot.
>>763962
It's hard to tell since it's all in hiragana (and since I also don't know moonrunes), but according to my handy, dandy Nip add-ons it could mean "to be immersed" and mizu is water, so maybe that's it.
No.763969
>>763964
She's drawn characters drowning before, so I think we've hit the mark. She is drowning in wine, in life, in sorrow. Call me a white knight, but I feel so fucking bad for her. She is clearly so talented, and it takes extreme dedication to put your work out in public when being depressed makes it hard to even leave the house. I really wonder (and hope) that she is getting the same sort of personal attention by some group in Japan. Even if her show flops, I hope she is being told that her work is speaking to people, and that they are enjoying it, even if everybody else doesn't. I would probably be banned for suggesting we put together a "You're doing great!" card for her because no fun is allowed on this board, so I'm not going to suggest that.
No.764016
>>763969
You dont even know if she is a she. And again, if you care so much just fucking talk to her.
>I would probably be banned for suggesting we put together a "You're doing great!" card for her because no fun is allowed on this board, so I'm not going to suggest that.
I already did that. >>763181
And if none of you cowards doing it I will do it tomorrow.
No.764022
>>763917
Pic related. Not 100% but it does look similar. I suspect this one was just made from some scrap wire though.
Would this suggest that there was some place where people could actually go fishing inside the city? Considering the fish they found in the drains this seems likely.
>>763969
International letters are cheap as fuck too. She must be getting fanmail by the in fuckhuge bags though, so I would not be surprized if she never opens or even responds to it.
I just checked: 90 €cents for a letter/postcard anywhere on the globe. I got some paper and a printer. If you dudes can provide the text and adress I can easily send her some holiday wishes or ask if she would be willing to talk to us fags over email or letter.
I could always write in English too, if nobody bothers to come up with a proper translation in Nip-speak, but it would probably be a little more safe, since we don't know if she speaks English, to have a nip version.
Something along the lines of:
>Dear Ms つくみず
>I am writing you as a representative of a group of people who wish to remain anonymous.
>These people appreciate your art a lot, and have noticed that most of it seems rather depressing. They would like to wish you the best for the future, and would like to tell you that everything will be fine.
>They would also like to ask you some questions about your works, not only Shoujo Shuumatsu Ryokou, but also some of the pictures you have published so far. They respect your right to privacy a lot, and I can assure you that no private information regarding your person will be published without your approval. In fact, you don‘t need to provide any information about yourself at all.
>Your answers won‘t be published in a magazine and will not be used in a commercial manner. Only things you have approved of will be published on a public internet forum, and discussed there.
>If you would like to answer their questions you can contact me, and I will forward their questions to you.
>To contact me you can respond directly to this letter. The adress should be on the envelope. If the envelope was damaged during transport this is the adress [adress here].
>You can also send an email instead to [email here].
>If you would not like to answer any questions, feel free to ignore this letter, though a reply would be appreciated even if you do not feel like answering any questions.
>Again, the group of people I represent would like to wish you a merry christmas and the best of luck not only for the next year, but also for all years to come. They hope that you continue your work, and wish to see you successful.
>Your's faithfully
>Anonymous
Not sure if I should mention 8chan at all. I have never written a letter to a PR departement before, but I am guessing that even metioning (h)8chan would probably reduce the chances of getting a reply. At the same time not mentioning which websites the answers would be published on seems like a bad move too.
>no fun allowed
Well, asking a real animu and mango author some questions about animu and mango does sound related to animu and mango to me.
No.764033
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>>764022
>>I am writing you as a representative of a group of people who wish to remain anonymous.
Unnecessary.
>metioning (h)8chan would probably reduce the chances of getting a reply
Just say western /a/ with a hint of /tg/.
Also auto translators are fucked up, and in most cases you need to write everything in shortest messages possible. Like
>Hello. I want to talk. I am representative of web forum. We are your fans probably should use different word, word "fan" is fucky to translate. We love your work.
Have you seen a movie about aliens or AI talking with humans? Use that kind of language. Like in vid related. Also mention our inefficiency in Japanese.
No.764046
>>764022
A real letter sounds like a great idea, actually. I was thinking you guys would end up tweeting her, but that looses its charm. Who would you even send it to? The publishing company?
In any case, anon, there's too much bullshit in your draft. Sounds impersonal, like a cover letter to your resume. Do you want the poor girl to actually kill herself? No, you don't.
And absolutely DO mention that we're 8/a/, god dammit. It's a personal letter, so tell her the truth. I assume her publisher will not open her personal fanmail anyway.
Instead of telling her to reply through email, etc. you could just tell her to drop by and visit us here. It would be much easier that way, and much better.
Now I'm tempted to pull out my arts&crafts box and hand-make a card.
No.764049
>>764046
>Instead of telling her to reply through email, etc. you could just tell her to drop by and visit us here. It would be much easier that way, and much better.
If that actually happened we'd have to make sure no other board hears of it.
No.764050
>>764049
>If that actually happened we'd have to make sure no other board hears of it.
No one cares except /tg/ and /a/.
No.764051
>>764046
>drawing attention to 8ch and /a/ especially
Do you want this place to go to shit?
No.764052
>>764050
>No one cares except /tg/ and /a/.
There are lots of anons that would care enough to shitpost and try ruining it.
No.764053
>>764049
Because of innumerable reasons, it ain't happening pal. In any case, the point of a letter is firstly to send her our best wishes and tell her everything will be daijoubu, not to coax her into visiting.
>>764051
Unlikely. Personal fan letter means there won't be any attention drawn going out. And if she, miraculously, decided to show up and post for a bit out of the blue, it's nothing meidos can't handle.
No.764059
>>764053
All it takes is one person leaking something out to a group of undesirables who will flood the place and post quality will go down for months at least, forever at most.
No.764063
>>764033
>I am writing as a representative of a western anime board.
>The users of said board appreciate your art a lot...
Well, the first sentence does sound kind of fucky that way. I get that me calling myself a "representative" for a collective of anons is kind of a false statement, but it was the best I could come up with. I would appreciate if someone would find a better wording for that part.
I do not intend to use an auto translator, since I would have no method to validate what was written. With an anon I can at least confirm that there are no insults in the text that I send away by using the auto translator as an aid, but relying on unreliable technology is not a good idea.
It is either English only or some anon comes along and translates. I don't care. I already have an envelope, and 90 cents for possibly obtaining WIN is an acceptable cost to me.
>>764046
>The publishing company?
exaclty
>8/a/, god dammit. It's a personal letter, so tell her the truth. I assume her publisher will not open her personal fanmail anyway.
Well, some publishers do to protect their subjects from spam, and also to look for possibly harmful contents.
I am not sure if she would know how to navigate this website. It may be rather clear and user friendly compared to other places, but she may not speak english, or may not have been on a n imageboard before. Also there would probably be a bunch of faggots calling her a liar and demanding proofs of her identiry if she was to make a thread, and I don't want her to be scared away by some faggots.
If yuou want me to include a picture I can print out, I am sure I can make it work. The letter will probably still be light enough to not cost any more because of it.
>>764050
And /b/ and /pol/ and /leftypol/ and /v/and a lot of other places would come by just to cause shit. On top of that a lot of faggots from other boards would spread the news to other chans, which would then spread it even further.
I would much rather keep the information as private as possible. I can probably show the e mail I received, or the envelope of the letter from nipland, if they actually go for that option. There would be no way for me to validate the actual information I post, but if anyone has any suggestions on how that could be done, just point it out.
Is there a way to have a semi public chatroom that allows people to access it who have a password, and allows us to archive everything that was written?
>>764052
Never forget that raids are a thing. They would ruin it just because they can.
I will work a little on the draft, make it more personal and ensure to mention where it came from.
So far I have:
Dear Ms つくみず
I am frequenting the anime board of a website called 8chan, and I would like to let you know that the users of said website appreciate your art a lot, and have noticed that most of it seems rather depressing. They would like to wish you the best for the future, and would like to tell you that everything will be fine.
They would also like to ask you some questions about your works, not only Shoujo Shuumatsu Ryokou, but also some of the pictures you have published so far. They respect your right to privacy a lot, and I can assure you that no private information regarding your person will be published without your approval.
Your answers won‘t be published in a magazine and will not be used in a commercial manner. Only things you have approved of will be published on a the public internet forum “8chan.net/a/” board, a place where anime and manga are discussed.
If you would like to answer their questions you can contact me, and I will forward their questions to you, or you could visit said website and have a look for yourself.
To contact me you can respond directly to this letter. The adress should be on the envelope. If the envelope was damaged during transport this is the adress [adress here].
You can also send an email instead to [email here].
If you would not like to answer any questions, feel free to ignore this letter, though I would greatly appreciate a reply. There are many users on /a/ who would like to speak to you about your work. Your anonymity will be preserved.
I would like to wish you a merry christmas and a happy new year.
Your's faithfully
Anonymous
Though I am not nearly as pleased with this as I was with my first draft. Now it feels more like a fan letter an eight year old wrote.
No.764065
>>764053
>it's nothing meidos can't handle.
>author is bullied by Hoihoi
>sudoku shenanigans ensue
Honestly, I wouldn't even be surprised.
No.764066
>>764063
>And /b/ and /pol/ and /leftypol/ and /v/and a lot of other places would come by just to cause shit. On top of that a lot of faggots from other boards would spread the news to other chans, which would then spread it even further.
Yeah, and our grandchildren will tell tales about this day.
>your letter
You stupid retard.
>Also auto translators are fucked up, and in most cases you need to write everything in shortest messages possible.
Not to mention half of that shit is unnecessary, you are not trying to get a fucking job.
No.764077
>>764063
Dear つくみず,
I am from a small group of people on the internet who appreciate your art very, very much. Together we post on an anonymous anime imageboard at 8ch.net/a and have fallen in love with your work.
Yuuri and Chito have moved us. We notice your sadness because we are miserable ourselves. We've come together to cheer you up and make sure you know that you are precious and that we love you very much! So here is this letter, from all of us to help warm you up this winter season. We will never meet, but in spirit, we will all toast a glass of wine to you this Christmas.
Please keep doing your best and don't ever leave us.
Thank you for all your hard work.
"Insert cool and deep philosophical quote by timeless author here as ending."
~~~~~~~
I'm gonna stop posting now and go to bed because I'm pretty sure this is really embarrassing and you guys are going to make fun of me for being a fuckin' FAG.
No.764081
>>764077
Edit "glass of wine WITH you" plus add exclamation marks after "ever leave us!" and "all your hard work!"
No.764082
>>764077
>"Insert cool and deep philosophical quote by timeless author here as ending."
No.764084
>>764082
Yeah, keep it like that!
>>764077
But shorten the fucking sentences. Auto-translator will turn them into gibberish.
No.764086
>>764084
1. DO NOT use auto translation.
Either get one anon to do it or send it in english or don't send it.
2. Edit anything as you see fit. Add to it, correct grammar, subtract from it, whatever the fuck anons deem necessary.
No.764087
>>764077
You are indeed a colossal fag. But a really precious one. So you get a headpat after every third bullying session or so.
No.764090
Aren't there people online you can throw some money at to translate something like this?
No.764092
>>764090
Pretty sure we have them in neighbor threads.
No.764094
>>764092
I actually found something wich seems perfect and costs 6 cent per word.
https://gengo.com/order/?from=bottom
If we can agree on something I'd probably pay that.
No.764097
>>764094
>I am from a small group of people on the internet who appreciate your art very, very much. Together we post on an anonymous anime imageboard at We are from 8ch.net/a and have fallen in love with your work.
And I honestly think we should mention /k/ and /tg/.
>Yuuri and Chito have moved us. We notice your sadness because we are miserable ourselves. We've come together to cheer you up and make sure you know that you are precious and that we love you very much! So here is this letter, from all of us to help warm you up this winter season. We will never meet, but in spirit, we will all toast a glass of wine to you this Christmas.
>Please keep doing your best and don't ever leave us.
>Thank you for all your hard work.
And I dont know about you, fags, I have a couple of questions I want to ask her.
No.764098
Oh, and I think our anons help is better than some random asshole from the internet.
No.764101
>>764092
/u/ hast a few as well although they're sure to be on /a/ too.
No.764107
>>764098
>>764101
>>764094
I'm sure some /a/non will help if we provide a completed copy. Perhaps >>763960 for example since he's good enough to translate that whole thing. Or someone in the QAJT might help.
>>764097
By all means, post what's on your mind.
No.764114
>>764107
>By all means, post what's on your mind.
1st of all I want to ask about her relationship with russian scifi. As a russian I cant ignore the fact that this is really similar to russian scifi in general. Not only in tone. Especially Shoujo Shuumatsu really similar in many aspects to the "Doomed City by Strugatzky brothers".
And does the author intend to explain all of symbolism or am I missing something else? Because graveyard, god, other stuff was explained a lot. Although it seems like personal(or professional secret?) and out of place question.
So I guess I am mostly interested with relationship with scifi and russian scifi.
Also I want to offer help of /k/ and /tg/ if she ever need any data on anything from knives to atomic submarines.
No.764132
>>764129
Tell us original version of your translation.
No.764139
>>764132
>To Tsukumizu-sensei
>I am writing on behalf of a small internet community, and we love sensei's work very much
>Yuuri and Chito have moved us. Many of are sad, so we can empathize with sensei's sadness. We've come together in to send this letter order to cheer sensei on. Although we will never meet, we will raise a glass of wine in toast to sensei at christmas time. Please continue to do your best from now on.
>Thank you for everything
いやー、これだけで俺はもうはずか死ぬ。こりゃひど過ぎる。
No.764142
>>764139
>small internet community
We are not small internet community. We are 8chan/a/
Your version is cringy as fuck.
>Many of are sad, so we can empathize with sensei's sadness. We've come together in to send this letter order to cheer sensei on.
<Many of us can empathize with sadness and life in a dead world. We like to send our appreciation for your work to you because it really close to us.
I wonder if ambiguity is translatable
And say that we want to ask a few questions.
No.764146
>>764142
Fuck off, I already told you this is a stupid idea. I'm not signing up to be a translator for some autistic newfag who wants to go meddling in someone's business unprompted and advertise our board to the rest of retards on the internet while he's at it. I'm only interested in できるing.
No.764147
>>764142
Stop insisting we announce what board we come from, it has nothing to do with what the point of the message is and worst case scenario she responds or comes here to post and a wave of redditors and cuckchanners follow her, and no matter what you may think our small team of 4 or 5 meidos will be able to do very little about it.
No.764157
No.764159
>>764147
Yeah, we should pretend we are fucking gayfox, where is my fucking mask. Its creepy and stupid. How the fuck anyone will know if she will be here? Did you thought of that? And so fucking what if she is here? Do you think it will be the only place she will appear? If so why she would chose this fucking place?
No.764160
Why has this show attracted so many crossboarders?
I can't even tell I'm on /a/.
No.764170
I want to fucking kill myself for even attempting to make a half decent attempt; this is pure crystalised cringe.
DRAFT
DO NOT SEND THIS VERSION
つくみず先生へ
少女終末旅行アニメ化おめでとうございます！
漫画とアニメを両方みて、少女たちが生きている世界、そして彼女たちの人生観にはいつも感銘を受けています。
僕らは海外のインターネットの匿名掲示板の8ch.net/a/で先生の作品を見てとても感激をしたことを伝えたくて今回はこのような形で応援メッセージを書こうと思いました。
先生の作品から伝わってくる悲しさやむなしさというのでしょうか？これらは私たちにも共通する点があり、そこに親近感を感じました。
世界中に住んでいる故、先生とお会いすることはまずないかもしれません。しかし、少々早いのは承知でせめてこのクリスマスは先生の健康とこれからの活躍にワインで乾杯をしたいなと思います。
これからも頑張ってください。
8ch.net/a/民一同
Dear Tsukumizu Sensei
Congratulations on your manga's animefacation. for the lack of a better word
Having read the Shoujo Shumatsu Kiko in manga and watching the anime, the girl's life views and the world around them has left a great impression on us, and we love it.
We're writing from a foreign imageboard called 8ch.net/a/, and we just wanted to tell you that your art works have deeply moved us; (sadness, futility, but defiance in the face of such things) I need your input in the parentheses . We empathize with your works, and feel a sense of closeness to you and the works you produce.
Since we live all across the world, it's unlikely we'll ever get to meet you. However, and we know that this may be a little early, we would like to raise a toast to your health and success this Christmas.
Please keep up the good work.
Sincerely, the faggots of 8ch.net/a/
No.764178
>>764170
Nice in general.
>; (sadness, futility, but defiance in the face of such things) I need your input in the parentheses
I think "living in a dead world" is good because I though of it.
>However, and we know that this may be a little early, we would like to raise a toast to your health and success this Christmas.
And now its not only cringy its corny. I think "We salute you". Is better than this cristmass toast bullshit and seems much more appropriate.
And since I want to ask a few questions, I think we need to give her some meido mail.
No.764241
You know how one of the characters is called "Yuu"? I remember reading an analysis that Persona 4's MC was deliberately named "Yu" because the MC is meant to be you. Is "Yuu" meant to be you too? In which case, what meaning might be found in "Chito"?
The story seems a bit odd is all. I mean, I've seen one poster claim that "Yuu" is so calm because "Yuu" already knows how it ends i.e. you already knows how it ends. So what's Chito? Is Chito like, your false self? And Yuu is your soul?
No.764272
>>764139
That's sounds pretty good to me. I like your simplified version. Don't mind >>764142.
>>764170
Very good also. I see now we're all cringing in unison, but come on, it's not that bad. Your guys' versions are nice.
No.764316
No.764392
>>764077
I like this version a lot more than what I managed to come up with on my own. I will use the following modified version as the English part of the letter unless anyone points out any major issues with it.
>Dear つくみず,
>I am from a small group of people on the internet who appreciate your art very much. Together we post on an anonymous anime imageboard at 8ch.net/a and have fallen in love with your work.
>Yuuri and Chito have moved us. We notice a lot of sadness in your work, and we've come together to cheer you up and make sure you know that you are precious and that we love you very much! So here is this letter, from all of us to help warm you up this winter season. We will never meet, but in spirit, we will all toast a glass of wine to you this Christmas.
>Please keep doing your best and don't ever leave us.
>If you would be willing to answer some questions we have about your work, you can contact me by replying directly to this letter or by writing an E-mail to [email]. I will forward their questions to you, and release your answers to the website mentioned above. This communcity respects your right to privacy a lot, and I can personally assure you that none of the answers you provide will be used for commercial purposes.
>Thank you for all your hard work.
>>764086
As I said I won't use an autotranslator.
>>764097
>And I dont know about you, fags, I have a couple of questions I want to ask her.
I will compile those in a separate document and ask her as soon as she has agrees to answer any questions.
In the mean time, post your questions.
No.764395
>>764392
>In the mean time, post your questions.
>>764114
No.764420
>>764395
Noted.
I have taken the freedom to change the wording:
>Someone noticed that Shoujo Shuumatzu Ryokou is similar to "Doomed City by Strugatzky brothers", which is a russian science fiction book. What is your relation with russian science fiction and science fiction in general? Did they inspire your work, or are the similarities coincidential?
No.764568
>>763956
Well excuse Schopenhauer for not having known about all that shit when he wrote The World as Will and Representation in 1818. It's just part of his discussion of metaphysics anyway, so it's unfair to trivialize the Schopster, Kant, or any of the German idealists as being "debunked" by modern science.
I do agree that he has little to no connection to the series, though. I mentioned my thoughts in the last thread: The series is a reflection of Tsukumizu's nihilistic view of life, and the journey upward is a metaphor for progressing through life and achieving (material) success.
No.764714
>>764568
She doesn't necessary have to be a nihilist. Perhaps the series is symbolic of how she views the material world and human society: Bleak, desolate, artificial, sick.
As opposed to indicating what her beliefs are of what comes after.
No.764809
What's with this and Kino's ending this week? Both seem like they are some sort of series final, even though they both aren't over. Is the world going to end during next week and only the anime industry knows about it?
Guess I should really be worried if Houseki no Kuni and magus' bride do the same thing tomorrow.
No.764812
They've ruined each other for marriage and should take responsibility.
No.764825
>>764812
>ruined each other for marriage
Don't shittalk a young couple on the world's last honeymoon trip.
No.764902
How on earth did they learn to wrim? The only bodies of water they have encountered were ankle deep puddles and some stratgically placed bathtubs.
And If Ishii knew of the food production facility, did she know about the fish farm too? Or were Chi and Yuu just exploring, without any hint from Ishii about where to go?
Now that we can see the sky clearly, are they on the highest level of the city?
So many questions, fuck I almost want to forget that this show exists and come back in a month or two to binge it then.
No.764914
>>764902
She gave them advice how to get potato. And they guessed where to find fish. And seriously, are you blind or something, they talked about all of it.
No.764921
>The rubble they took shelter in Rain was a four-legged walker
>Big ass four legged robot in this ep
>small horse like robot keeping after fish
>"Are they alive?"
>"I can feel empathy, but I don't think he can."
>Big bot might've felt empathy
>Small bot said he wouldn't interfere with the de-construction
>Small-Bot tells them how much explosives it would take to kill Big-Bot
>Big-Bot doing his thing
>Sees Yuu
>You know it knows but it keeps going
The small-bot knew his area wasn't being used properly and when he found out it was going to be re-purposed he chose to have the big bot killed. Even if the city fell apart, the machines continue to try and fix it. I bet the small bot might have started with empathy but he grew to have emotions, but hid them since machines are not supposed to have those. Like the "mutated" fish, he is a "mutant" and thus wants to reman a fish-keeper even though it is pointless when there is only one fish. Also that radio noise after the credits
No.764922
>>764170
I like this one, but you should say "adaptation" of the manga, not "animefication".
And instead of saying that we empathize,
>>764077
> We notice your sadness because we are miserable ourselves.
is much more effective. If you've ever been depressed, you'd probably find this funny, while words like "empathize" and "sympathize" sound condescending, at least in English.
>>764081
Also a good suggestion.
>>764655
LARP time
>send note
>no new posts for a few days
>suddenly new upload
>it's tsuku reading a letter in a bright flowery field, smiling
>then its back to the sadness
Just the remote possibility of this outcome is worth the effort.
No.764993
>ちーちゃんのダサいよれよれの下着いいよね
Truly one of us.
No.765018
>>764993
I guess pantsu is serious business.
No.765074
>>763956
>>764568
Scientific determinism doesn't really debunk Schopenhauer's ideas about the will because he believed that the will was determined anyway. He most clearly states this in On the Freedom of the Will where one of his main points is that "One can do what one wills, but one cannot will what one wills." Basically, you have free will insofar as you can do what you want to do, but you can't choose what you want to do so you only really have the illusion of free will.
No.765088
>>765074
Not according to quantum mechanics.
No.765105
No.765119
>>765105
Interactions on quantum level ane not predetermined. They are not determined at all. Even fucking looking at something changes results.
Basically universe is buggy and it works by cutting edges here and there.
>>764922
>"empathize" and "sympathize" sound condescending, at least in English.
Ha! Watch last episode and point to me where it sounded condescending.
No.765123
>>765119
>strikethrough sympathize
Are you assuming I conflate these terms?
>Watch last episode and point to me where it sounded condescending.
Unless in the episode it's a complete stranger telling someone with legitimately suicidal thoughts, "I understand what you're feeling" after talking to them for two fucking seconds, then it's not a direct comparison. I know you have autism so you probably find it "illogical" that a stranger and a close friend would have a different relationship with each other, but that is the reality.
No.765124
>>765123
>strikethrough sympathize
Because no one used "sympathize" except you. If you arguing against it, you are arguing with yourself.
If you read what I wrote again, I said that I(we) empathize with characters in a dead world. Not with author. With fucking characters. How hard is it to understand?
Also
>point to me where it sounded condescending
>hurr durr I cant
No.765129
>>765124
>Because no one used "sympathize" except you.
Let's hypothesize you had friends, and you were all trying to agree on something to eat. If you're the first to speak and say, "I'm not in the mood for pizza" only an autist would respond with, "Nobody suggested pizza, you're arguing with yourself." I was suggesting that an angle of sympathy should be eliminated before anybody else brought it up. We are speaking communally, here.
>I said that I(we) empathize with characters in a dead world. Not with author. With fucking characters.
Actually what you said in the comment I specified was that we empathize with her works. I don't think anybody watching/reading would be immediately inclined to say that the mangaka was severely depresssed, it's the "works" where she's drawing herself holding figurative nooses that I was assuming we were all trying to address more than a simple, "Hey we like you're show x3"
>How hard is it to understand?
Well, when you don't explicitly write what it is you're intending to write about, it's actually objectively impossible to understand.
>hurr durr I cant
I'm a couple episodes behind which is why my comment was universally applicable, and its point still remains, though the misunderstanding clearly occurred when you wrote, "works" and you meant the manga/anime. When I read "works" I had assumed that because you spoke in the previous segment about the manga/anime specifically, that this was about what she's posting elsewhere, which is where the word empathize was used. Your reddit spacing is what threw me off.
No.765131
>>765129
Putting words in my mouth and arguing with them "hypothesize". Jesus fucking crist. Anime fucking used almost exactly same words as me referring to same situation and you arguing that I dont understand what I am talking about?
Not hypothetical, real fucking situation. An episode about "what is dead and what is alive and what is a dead world and what you can empathize with".
But in theory, if I was wrong you will be right! It would be fucking amazing, but its not.
>Your reddit spacing is what threw me off.
>Your reddit spacing
Hell eternal awaits thy, jew.
No.765134
>>765131
>Putting words in my mouth and arguing with them "hypothesize". Jesus fucking crist.
I assume English is not your first language? I never once wrote, "You said sympathize", I suggested that the words "empathize" and "sympathize," when used by strangers, come across as condescending. This is still 100% true.
>Anime fucking used almost exactly same words
What a pile of fucking gibberish, but I think I grasp what you're trying to get across.
As I stated in my previous comment, and alluded to in the section immediately above, the disconnect is that you are talking about the anime exclusively, and I thought we were sending the author a letter to focus on her, not write generic fan mail for the show. I personally don't care about the show that much, and you can write whatever you want about that, I care that the show's talented creator wants to off herself and still believe she needs words of encouragement more than the show does. So you keep on reddit spacing and passing off barely cohesive shit piles as sentences, and I'll gtfo this thread.
No.765149
>please clean up this slapfight
Ehh, it's a dead thread and I already made a new one hours ago. If they continue it in the next thread then we'll act.
No.765218
>>765119
>Interactions on quantum level ane not predetermined. They are not determined at all. Even fucking looking at something changes results.
>Basically universe is buggy and it works by cutting edges here and there.
Clearly the brain-child of a Jew.