No.751231
Why is it so hard to find hard sci-fi in anime and manga? Even sci-fi as a whole seems to be a dead genre.
No.751235
>>751231
I think people look less and less on the night sky and wonder what those lights are. So they don't think of space travel that much in recent years.
No.751236
>>751231
>Even sci-fi as a whole seems to be a dead genre.
People as a whole, and in general, have lost faith in the future.
No.751278
>>751236
People have lost faith in the present too, that's what slice of life is for. Why can't I have comfy sci-fi slice of life?
No.751303
I think it'-s a combination of what >>751235 and >>751236 said, together with the fact that coming up with sci-fi where the 'science' is actually science by any stretch of imagination and not just magic passed off as science, or explanied in scientific-sounding giberish, can be quite difficult.
No.752110
>>751235
>I think people look less and less on the night sky and wonder what those lights are.
Probably because they live in light polluted cities.
No.752114
Only one that comes to mind recently is ID-0 which I thought was pretty great aside from some iffy writing around the main plot. I much prefer fantasy to sci-fi so I'm having a good time with the recent trends in anime but it's a shame sci-fi doesn't get nearly as much representation.
Sci-fi has a lot going against it, though. It's easy to romanticize and dramatize the past or the present but coming up with stories around things that don't exist yet is harder. I think it's also to do with what other Anons have said. People are not as optimistic or fascinated by the future because there doesn't really seem to be anything there right now. We've hit a slump where there isn't anything big and exciting on the horizon to look forward to, so people tend to look at the past or the present for inspiration instead.
No.752115
Right now the visible forefront of technology is fucking over peoples' privacy and making tinier phones to watch movies on, the average Joe doesn't give a shit about hard sci-fi. Wait until the next space race starts, suddenly people will want stories about conquering the final frontier again.
No.752130
Posting best scientist.
>>751231
>why is it so hard to find GOOD sci-fi in anime and manga
I just watched Terra Formars on recommendation from someone and it sucked shit. PLANETES was fucking awesome in so many ways.
>>751236
This is true. We're told about advances, but it's more like we're convinced about advances. We haven't been to the moon in decades. There is no real progress taking place.
>>752114
>ID-0
Guess I'll check this out.
No.752141
>>751303
From my understanding, modern 'Sci-fi' is in practice just fantasy in space, hard sci-fi is then just a setting to the fantasy genre. Science fiction in its original form wasn't fiction that was about sciency things, but fiction used for the purpose of science. Often thought experiments or allegory where there was a key concept to develop in which the fictional elements were built around exploring this central idea. Of couse it's stupid to assume that literature needs to obey hard and fast rules about what a genre entails, but science fiction in which the purely fictional 'scientific' concepts are explained in a absurd way are no more true to the genre than science which is not explained at all as if it were magic. In fact, the setting being understood (or not understood) in nearly magical terms is often more common for traditional science fiction than the modern take of the 'believable' science of something like star-trek (early star trek is a fair bit closer to traditional science fiction as it did explore concepts moreso than present fantasies of space).
Frankly, I like the concept of hard sci-fi a lot, but it's important to understand that 'hard' sci-fi is closer to the equivalent of 'low' fantasy, and not somehow inherently above absurdly fantastical works of fiction or truer to the origins of sci-fi, especially considering how often even the most practical scientific predictions often end up so wrong.
Of course I could be wrong entirely, I'm hardly a literature critic or anything, and just about any piece of literature can explore a central theme so I can't really tell you where my vague understanding of the definition starts and where it ends.
No.752158
Normalfags infected scifi back in the mid 200Xs. Give it about a decade for the chemo to finish its job and it'll be ok again.
No.752219
We get a decent amount of softer stuff focusing on how knowledge changes society (usually for the worse). Recently I've only really enjoyed Shinsekai Yori and Psychopass.
No.752226
Texhnolyze, Memories, GITS, Akira, Jin-Roh, Paprika, Lain, Macross Plus, and Armitage II are the only ones I could think of.
No.752233
>>752219
Shinsekai Yori is literally gay. I watched around half, it was ok, then those faggots showed up.
No.752234
>>752233
Is there anything bad about the show other than two dudes being faggots?
No.752235
>>752233
>>752234
Nevermind, I just realized that you're talking about "From the New World." That show was fucking awful in every regard.
No.752240
>>752233
The girls are gay too.
Jeez, almost like it has some relevance to the plot unlike the usual faggot shit in literally every show today
No.752243
>>751231
Is that Planetes? My mom watched that and said it was really fucking boring and the main character is a pussy. And she loves slow stuff and anime.
No.752262
>>752243
>hating Planetes
Your mum has shit taste.
No.752266
This will always be my favorite Sci fi anime the rise of the machines will always send chills down my spine.
No.752270
>>752219
>>752226
>>752266
Call me a pussy but I tend to prefer my sci fi shows to not be depressing
No.752271
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Ergo Proxy, give that one a try.
>>752243
You mother is a utter plebeian, anon.
>>752266
Good taste. You might want to check this out.
No.752284
How come they never tried a Star Wars anime?
>Star Wars is for normal fags
yes but still Star Wars has in my opinion some pretty good cartoons and I would love to see Japans take especially light saber fights.
No.752294
>>752284
Perhaps a Japanese director could do something Georgie could never have done, a perfect re-enactment of The Hidden Fortress, but with cute lolis.
No.752297
>>752266
>Animatrix
>Sci-fi
But it's more true now than ever.
No.752299
>>752284
>Star Wars is for normal fags
People are fucking retarded. Star Wars was never for normal fags. Normals fags turned into star wars fans.For 30 fucking years, being a "Star Wars" fan meant being a shitty retarded nerd that no one liked. It wasn't until the past 10 or so years that liking "Star Wars" was culturally acceptable.
No.752310
>>752262
The anime was kind of a fuckup.
No.752329
>>752310
The only bad thing about it was Tanabe (or whatever the girls name was), but even she got better after extensive oxygen depivation and brain damage
No.752338
>>752329
>the girl
>the other girl
>both curryniggers
>the autistic fits of the guy
Should've just been about space waste removal.
No.752348
>>752310
>>752338
You deserve space cancer.
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No.752368
>>752271
>Ergo Proxy
I watched that a long time ago but I can't remember anything of the story. Although I do remember it being weird shit and maybe trying to be philosophical.
No.752374
>>752271
>Ergo Proxy
Literally just pretentious, and I do mean literally literally, not in the memey sense
No.752396
>>752374
>>752368
It didn't feel to me like it was going into that too much. I really liked the world building in the first half, also the character development of MC and his adopted android loli.
No.752407
>>752284
Which era does Japan like the most? I feel like they are not the biggest fans of The Clone Wars.
No.752413
>>752284
>>752299
>For 30 fucking years, being a "Star Wars" fan meant being a shitty retarded nerd that no one liked. It wasn't until the past 10 or so years that liking "Star Wars" was culturally acceptable
FUCKING
THIS
Daily reminder that normalfags ruin everything. "Netflix and Chill" on the weekends and now they think they're "le shut-in nerds xD"
Unironically heard a coworker say, "I'm a nerd, I LOVE star wars and stuff like that, but Dungeons and Dragons is like...whoa...I have no idea what you're even doing with your life if you know anything about that."
sage for spergrant
>>752368
It's pretentious garbage. Though I didn't read the manga if there was one, the anime was unmemorable in terms of art direction or story.
No.752548
>>752413
>>752374
Guess I'll have to watch the series again one of these days. I really don't remember it ever feeling pretentious. I don't mean that in a "must have been too deep for you" way either, I just never felt like it was trying to be pseudo intellectual.
No.752699
>>752413
>Unironically heard a coworker say, "I'm a nerd, I LOVE star wars and stuff like that, but Dungeons and Dragons is like...whoa...I have no idea what you're even doing with your life if you know anything about that."
Dorks like this deserve the old "kick me" sign on their back
No.752718
>>752233
>This old meme
God damn it. This was the thing that almost killed interest in the show entirely when it aired. Yes, there's faggotry, but it's completely relevant and adds to the overall message of a degenerate society that molds it's citizens like in Brave New World, which also has it's fair share of degenerate scenes.
No.752745
>>752266
No thanks. The wachowski's symptoms of insanity slipped into The Animatrix and nobody noticed.
No.752754
Try out 2001 Nights OP. It's a fantastic manga series about several loosely connected stories on how humanity continued the space race after the cold war. Here's a link of it if anyone wants it.
2001 Nights
https://mega.nz/#!cGpjQTIC!GNiaoXK8sWmdBsRkYETeqmYQhaX9rEIUTgdsDlAf-zQ
>>752413
The whole thing about being a nerd is that they were interested in something niche even if it wasn't socially acceptable. Now people want to be a nerd after realizing that the content nerds consume is actually pretty fun and the entertainment industry has force fed it to them through movies, so it's now socially acceptable. They had stupid prejudice judgements on them due to people instantly calling them stupid because they didn't understand it or bothered to try to.
No.752777
>>752407
They prefer OT the PT era never tickled their fancy
No.752893
>>752270
Then have Moretsu Pirates. CGDCT in space! The sci-fi was harder than expected.
No.752896
>>752271
Faux 2D was a mistake.
No.752902
>>752348
>>752329
Claire, the two manager gag characters, the fucking ninjas, and the retarded Bush-era oil war subplot were not in the manga. While the manga did examine the possible ramifications that resource production might have in the context of such a space-faring society, it was always in service of character development. The anime was unfocused.
No.752923
Yeah, probably because possibility of space exploration died and was replaced by consumer culture. Its not surprising that a lot of anime based on vidya instead. Dreams of distant stars were replaced.
No.752957
>>751231
Suisei no Gargantia was sci fi in the old terms.
No.752964
>>752893
>Moretsu Pirates
Oh yeah, I second that one. The show was pretty nice.
No.753001
SCIENCE fiction is pretty dead compared to science FICTION and science fantasy in whichever industry you look nowadays.
Unless something major happens to change trends we'll never get late 40's to early 70's era-tier stories of hopeful progress and the evolution and application of technology again.
No.753013
>You will never experience Manatees again
No.753018
Millenial normalfags killed sci-fi.
Which is very impressive because it was already widespread woth baby boomers.
No.753022
>>753018
>>753001
Honestly I think sci-fi was killed more by the fact that 95% of the books coming out had one good sci-fi idea and a mountain of shitty writing and bland characters to drown it in.
No.753038
>>752745
Really? I know they got a little Coo Coo for Cooa Puffs but what did they do with it?
No.753040
>>752284
To be fair, Star Wars is far from hard sci-fi. It's pretty much as soft as sci-fi can get. It doesn't even pretend to not be just magic in space.
>>752141
Proper hard sci-fi does exist. There are writers who do their best to stick to real physics and write stories based around realistic thought experiments. Lost of older sci-fi novels have actually predicted more recent advances in technology.
>>751278
>Why can't I have comfy sci-fi slice of life?
That would be really nice. Have the main focus be on the cute girls doing cute things, but set it all in a hard sci-fi setting such as a generation ship or ringworld.
No.753050
>>753040
>sci-fi slice of life
Inb4 the spacecraft get's hit by a meteor shower in the last fifth of the series and it turns into a tragedy.
No.753134
>>752299
You're thinking of star trek.
No.753193
>>752957
It was also shit.
No.753383
>>753054
>Associating with 3DPD
No.753575
>>751231
Because the kikes are shitting all over it and refuse to allow escapism any longer.
No.754767
>>753022
That's why sci-fi short stories are great. There, having one good idea and undeveloped characters is just fine.
No.754927
>>754767
Short stories and novellas are the ideal format for scifi. We need more of them.
No.757529
Is it okay if I just show this to you all?
>http://www.project-pandora.jp/
No.757533