No.702799
Happy little building edition.
Here's a documentary series detailing the lives and works about a few select mangaka. I think it's worth a look if you haven't already watched it:
https://nyaa.pantsu.cat/search?c=_&s=0&limit=50&userID=0&q=manben+special
No.702811
Can we get more of this girl/artist? Shit's cute.
No.702855
Drew these two today. I was originally planning on clothing character 2 as well, but I felt it in a way looked sort of right as is. I'm also reposting my last drawing from the last thread, as i was particularly happy with it.
No.704246
I thought we were supposed to suffer through this together. I'll still draw, but it's better to just let the thread die if I'm the only one doing so.
No.704347
>>704246
I'm enjoying your drawings though Anon..
No.704527
j13 was an absolute hell to draw, but I'm very happy with the end result. j14 was nice and fun.
>>704347
That makes me happy.
No.705215
>>702811
What's up? Do you need something?
>>704527
I really do like the fact that you're putting in the effort. I just wish you'd slow down a little and study one part at a time instead of going straight for the full body. Take your average time drawing something and double it, so if something is taking you 30 minutes, take another 30 minutes to adjust and add on it.
No.705226
You fellas know of any comprehensive guides that aren't shit for drawing animu?
No.705249
>>705215
I think he needs a better way of scanning.
>>704527
Anon have you considered trying cam scanner? It's an Android app and from there you could digitally clean up the art or leave it as is.
No.705251
>>705249
PS:
use more light in the room when taking pictures of the art
No.705358
If you want to improve, there's three things you need to do.
-Study
As in actually study the fundamentals. Not just starting with drawing anime.
-exert discipline
You'll never improve if you don't ever practice diligently.
-take criticism
Pointing out the flaws in your work isn't a personal attack.
If you can do all three of those, then you'll improve by just continuing to do it, since it'll innately illuminate things you hadn't seen before, and guide you towards honing your skills.
If you don't, well fuck you.
No.705452
Tried the form of posture I'm worst with, j16 came out very bad, but I think I've figured out how I should work it out, and I'll probably make another attempt from scratch at it at it once my fever dissipates.
>>705215
I'm still experimenting with a lot of stuff, don't think I'm at the point where I should look too hard at fine-tuning yet.
>>705358
>study the fundamentals.
Christ sake nigger, don't start that stupid fucking discussion again. Once people have made up their opinions they are unlikely to change them, regardless of whatever arguments are made, and all you'll get is 50 posts of autists screeching at each other.
No.705525
>>705452
The person was asking for advice on how draw, it's legit advice to start with the fundamentals, I would certainly encourage it to a person trying to learn.
No.705860
>Tried making a basic outline for an idea I thought was funny
>Generally didn't care if it was going to be shit, just wanted that idea on paper so I could go back to it years from now
>Realized how hard it was just making the angles/basic skeletons
Mangakas sure are amazing.
No.706685
>>705452
He's actually right on studying the fundamentals but I get people take it as them saying "Fuck your anime drawings, go read 500 pages of Loomis". Learning how to build your shapes, proportions, etc can go a long way in improving your drawings.
No.706704
>>706685
It really doesn't matter whether he's right or wrong, that whole endless debate, which leads nowhere anyway, turns everything into an absolute cesspit.
No.706980
>>706704
Sounds to me like it's people like you's fault, for the debate going nowhere.
No.707023
>>705249
I'm not very into photo editing, I found a better light source though, that should help a bit.
No.707071
Been doodling heads. What's everyone else up to?
No.707072
>>707023
it does, that cam scanner app I told you about crops and enhances the image to make your picture look like a scan
No.708604
>>707071
Chibis and old men
No.709609
It's /a/'s birthday soon, if anyone feels like making some commemorative art for it I'll use that as the sticky image on the day (18th September).
No.709630
>>709609
Here meidu, my masterpiece.
No.710507
>>709609
I started working on one, but it seems overdue
No.711616
Ive noticed here on 8ch that none of the big time boards, (/a/, /v/, /co/) have any good drawthreads.
They are always usually, have sub par drawfags, or aggressively autistic shitposters that don't even draw but stay in the threads any way and shit post.
No.711619
>>711616
You take what you can get. From what I've seen, drawfags always want their work to be seen, but on 8ch there just isn't enough people to satisfy them, and here looking for attention will end up getting you shat on rather than praised. Then the ones who don't care about others opinion simply draw for themselves and don't post anything because they don't care and only post something once in a blue moon. In my case not only am I a sub par mediocre drawfag, but I also share a mix of the reasons I mentioned. The mind of the drawfag is a twisted one.
No.711633
>>711616
Compared to halfchan?
We just have less users overall, and good drawfags are a very small percentage of the population. Do the math.
There's also the fact that most drawfags tend to be the kind of people that are incompatible with our way of thinking. There's a reason a shitload of "artists" hang out on more echo chamber type places like tumblr or twitter.
No.711659
>>711616
to be fair I can't draw but I can appreciate the art and I don't shit post in this thread
No.711680
I found these in one of my many folders, maybe it'll be of some use to all.
No.711715
>>711680
>>711681
Thanks anon, but the only style I'll ever be able to draw is the weird chibi-ish kind from Rhythm Heaven and story books. At least it goes well with Touhou shitposting, but I don't even do it that often.
No.711793
>>711616
Eltonel is pretty good.
No.711895
No.712016
Haven't really had any time for drawing lately, don't think I'll have any for quite a while, it's quite frustrating.
No.712058
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No.712128
>>711616
What if the better drawfags aren't posting their stuff because they know it intimidates the shittier artists and ultimately turns these threads into everyone begging the more skilled anons to draw lewds?
No.712130
>>712128
>because they know it intimidates the shittier artists
Impossible. Drawfags love knowing they can draw better than others.
>turns these threads into everyone begging the more skilled anons to draw lewds
That is possible.
No.712131
>>712130
Of course I love knowing I can draw better than others.
But if they don't post I won't know how much better now will I?
No.712176
>>710507
18th September isn't for 2 months.
No.712177
>>712016
aww, hope you find time to do what you love if anything else.
No.712283
>>711680
>>711681
man, this information doesn't work. I don't get it. It pisses me off for some reason. I get the sections for the big toe being separate. THAT make sense but the rest is just overly simplified. In fact anytime I try to use any kind of method like this I just get really confused and angry. I don't understand why people do this? Why not just draw a foot?
I mean, I could still improve on drawing feet a lot but this isn't helping me. I just have to draw and look at more feet.
These threads confuse me. The art boards frustrate me. Just post art and talk about. there's no need to structure the journey to understand your mastery of depicting 3d through 2d illusions. Just ask questions about stuff you don't understand and then provide answers. LIke... I don't understand what a side perspective of the back side of the intersection of the hip bone and pelvis looks like well enough. Does anyone have references for that specifically?
No.712293
>>712283
Those images are meant to simplify how parts are structured. What you're looking for is finer detail, which cannot be so easily slapped onto a hobbyist's tutorial image. You can always look up some anatomical models for reference though. You can also always have a peek at posemaniacs to get an idea of tougher angles, but if the resolution is too low, try looking up the specific body part.
No.712302
>>712293
that's a neat website but I need something better. I'm really struggling finding the information i need
No.712374
>>712283
Your issue lies in a more fundamental problem. If you've trained your eyes to "see" the forms of things, be they body parts or objects, then those images actually make a lot of sense.
You're either looking for one of two things. Anatomical diagrams, or construction forms.
The former being what you've posted >>712302 the latter being instructions on how to replicate the body parts, with simple geometric constructs (cubes, cylinders, intersections, etc).
I'd say to look through stuff like Proko, Hampton, Peter Han, etc.
No.712497
drew this like an hour ago. I should improve the details, the anatomy and stuff like hands and shit, but feel free to rip it apart or call shit. I always have room to improve
No.712562
>>712374
I don't know about what you mean on the first part. I know I don't draw a square flat if that's what you're talking about. I don't' look at shapes or lines and replicate them. If I just know what something is and understand it in 3d space then I can render it. With anatomy, there are just some holes in my understanding that stick out, ruining the depiction of a humanoid being. The knowledge comes from experience and conscious note of them. I know that the middle and ring finger tend to stick together and bend together. I know that the longer a face is the older and mor masculine it looks. I know the geometry of a face to a pretty detailed extent... BUT
If i don't understand the amount people bend their hands or which fingers they use to grasp something then it could look unnatural. No amount of simplified anatomy of jargon about what your eyes see is gonna give me that experience. I can't just look at how a face is constructed and understand how to draw the face I want t o draw. I need to take more of every type of face and understand what about it makes me think of it that way. If I don't just look at faces at every angle and note at which degree do the eyes get closer to the edge of the face do I understand how deep to draw the sellion and keep it looking attractive. These bits of information you guys are sharing can help a person draw the same puppet form repetitively but isn't going to help them understand how to draw life and be creative with it.
Maybe I'm beating around the bush, but I'm basically saying this information is worthless without the context. It's like trying to teach a kid that 2*5=10 when they don't understand what why 2 and 5 are being multiplied. They can replicate the equation but why the fuck would you bother telling me that notation of logic if you're not explaining the logic?
I think if we were to just observe good implementation of anatomy, perspective, texture, and all forms of art element then we can build the experience that is present in mastery.
Ex: The muscles of the hip are below the highest bone of the pelvis. Given hip abduction is to be depicted, the contraction of the hip muscle will be below the definition of the top of the pelvic bone. Are the contraction of the muscles on the hip enough to cover the definition of that pelvic bone there? Considering no fat can be stored on that top of the pelvic bone and has to be stored above or below, then usually no. Taking a perspective of behind though, the muscles on the back of the hip are large enough to conceal the definition of the hip and the hip muscles contracting
This makes sense to me. The Hampton diagrams were quite good compared to the others. They're providing context and go into detail on the behavior of certain muscle groups rather than just glossing over the whole body.
No.712566
>>712497
so does her jaw just wrap around to the back of her head? The jaw stops somewhere in the middle of the neck and raises going into the center of the cranium.
No.712587
>applying 3DPD anatomy to 2D
What do you hope to achieve?
No.712592
>>712587
Different mangaka artstyles use 3DPD anatomical structures as reference points. It depends on what kind of artstyle you are going for.
No.712596
>>712587
to create an effective depiction of a human shape in 2d
No.712597
>>712596
>mangahere
aaaaand that's what I get for googling the image rather than looking through the raws
No.712622
>>712566
Fuck, you're right. Thanks anon!
No.712695
>>712497
You're at the phase of "every joint is a ball and every limb segment is a stretched football".
Put in some serious muscle anatomy practice and you'll see huge improvements.
No.712761
>>712695
alright, for sure!
Thanks a bunch!
No.712808
Any tips for getting yourself to actually try? I've been meaning to churn out a rust-breaker since the start of the last thread.
More recently I have a pretty well defined pose and concept to attempt, but I haven't even started on it.
No.712810
>>712808
I found myself drawing more when I started drawing lewds.
Also, 'being in the right mood' is killer. You'll never be in the mood. Just draw.
No.712811
>been practicing on and off irregularly drawing heads based on Proko video
>decide to draw an anime OC for fun
>I can't do my old artstyle of heads anymore
Maybe it's because I'm tired or something but has this happened to anyone else?
No.712814
>>712808
For me I had to develop a habit for it. After my morning coffee I'd sit down and draw for at least 2 hours.
It's at least gotten me in the chair and working.
>>712811
Naw that's... legit a thing. Went to art school and after a year of anatomy studies and shit I completely lost my style.
Dat awk when you're sitting there with old art trying to figure out wtf happened.
No.712870
>>712811
>>712814
You unlearned it, anow you need to relearn it by making it follow an internal logic.
Study your old stuff like it's a new subject. Your stuff will probably be less organic, but you should be able to more or less pull it off with this approach.
No.712882
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>712808
Usually I just need to find inspiration. I was really down about practicing drawing because everywhere I looked it seemed that literally everyone was saying "You have to do all the loomis shit everytime to draw anything". I thought all of that was horse shit, especially to someone who just wants to animate. I found out about this artist Kim Jung Gi and found my inspiration again. Now I'm drawing every day for several hours.
studying anatomy is practice. Eventually you'll be able to just, like, draw. You'll have to consciously practice for ages before that though.
No.712891
>>712882
Whatever gets you drawing, but I'm pretty sure that guy just advanced beyond the need for construction.
No.712893
>>712891
yea, so we'll just have to do the same
No.712896
>>712893
Presumably he used construction at some point.
I suppose skipping construction might be possible, but I don't think it's very wise.
No.712897
>>712882
>>712891
>>712893
>>712896
It's like training wheels, but in layers. at first you have to mind your proportions, draw framework and then core shapes on top of that. Later you'll know proportions well enough to not need measurement, and then you can just do the core shapes until you eventually don't need to draw those anymore because it's all in your head.
No.712902
>>712896
I don't think skipping construction completely is possible but that whole process of constructing a skeleton 4 layers deep and erasing it as you come forward, to be frank, is fucking retarded. You need whichever method helps you the most. For me what works is the ACTUAL skeleton layer. The simple shapes doesn't make a lick of sense to me. I can draw a skeleton with no reference. Why would I not just draw that?
>>712897
this. I was demoralized by people assuming that it was impossible to keep proportions without the construction. I tried to tell them that was asinine and just got so frustrated with people being so obstinate about it that I started thinking "Nobody is going to appreciate art even if I do master it" but obviously that's not true. There are just vocal retards on imageboards. The only thing that matters is that you know you can do better and you never stop trying to.
No matter how bad my current drawings look that doesn't mean I'm not learning from them. These fucked up proportions are mistakes that I learn from. These scratchy lines contain one correct one. These abstract poses progressively become more lifelike. These overly detailed features will be refined. These misshaped lines will become defined.
No.713080
>>712897
I'd agree with that. I like all kinds of art, and I watched an artist who produced quite a bit of artwork for Lord of the Rings books just draw Thorin Oakenshield's face in a matter of minutes. At my own skill level (man I wish I never put down the pencil) I can skip some bits of basic construction, but if I don't start with a simple figure, and detail the structure of hands and shit, everything looks off. So yeah, best to start by doing construction, eventually some of which gets simplified and ultimately disappears.
No.713124
>>712870
Huh, I guess I can revisit this shit drawing of mine and try to make it better
No.713329
>>713124
YES!
"Draw this again" is a great exercise. Most obviously it lets you see firsthand your improvement.
But if there's things you like about your old style it's a good way to isolate and re-incorporate them into your new understanding.
Also it cuts out a lot of the surprisingly stressful planning. (I get stuck on where to put arms a lot myself.)
No.713564
>>712810
This is really good advice, you really just have to force yourself to do it.
No.713748
I got better at drawing a more cute style thanks to daily doodling. I wish I had more ideas to practice.
No.714330
>>712128
>ultimately turns these threads into everyone begging the more skilled anons to draw lewds
I can confirm that this is why /co/ doesn't have an active drawthread anymore.
But it's not begging the skilled artists. It's more like spamming threads with lewd requests and lesser skilled drawfags being afraid/demotivated by higher skill drawfags so the activity falls very low anyway. And high skill artists tend to deliver stuff more slowly so they get overwhelmed by requests and give up.
No.714336
>>714330
well it also doesn't help that the threads usually consist of /loomis/ discussions rather than just trying to make OC. all the art boards are dead and most of the desire to improve drawing come from /a/ interests but I think the discussion of drawing improvement is anti-social by nature. If you've ever lurked any drawing improvement community you'd find that to be true... at least that's what I think.
No.715774
Hey bros. I am in dire need of some advice.
I'm not...
Well, I'm not /bad/.
...
Okay, so I'm shit, but I'm on the warpath to get better and the biggest rather glaring issue is I can't color for shit.
It's so bad I've caught myself not coloring things on purpose and moving on to the next drawing - which probably means that needs to be the next thing I focus on.
While I paint relatively well from observation and reference, I'm /slow/. Painting is such an incredible process that it sucks all the fun out of it. You'll crank out a drawing and suddenly you've got 40+ hours of blending in Photoshop staring you down. I exaggerate... a tiny bit... but it's clear I 100% have no idea what the hell I'm doing.
Any of you handsome folks have some digital painting resources you'd be willing to share?
I'd happily take fundamentals and other such guidance if y'all have it.
Related in progress attached. As you can see I started chewing on it and then kinda just bailed.
No.715777
No.715779
>>715777
That's entirely fair
No.715990
>>715774
I'm also shit at coloring but
http s://www.ctrlpaint.com/library
has so far been the least bullshit tutorial source i've found.
No.716301
>>715990
Thanks, anon! That's actually really helpful!
No.716449
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>712016
I know it can be frustrating but keep at it! Having a solid foundation of the fundamentals is worth the time.
No.719282
You guys know a good source for learning how to draw legs?
No.719395
>>711895
New one of these guides, this time it answers the question of "how the fuck do I actually study anatomy.
These guides seem to mirror some of Nsio's advice, so I think the excercises given will go nicely with the big-picture plan posted here.
>>706685
No.719396
No.719414
I am not much of drawer but seeing you all give your best got me thinking, maybe I can help give some art that might help you find aesthetics of your choice and so inspire you to discover your artstyle too.
No.719418
>>719414
I guess I have a little more.
No.719627
No.719632
>>719628
Since this is a drawing thread
No.721883
I'm not all that pleased with j19, but I excuse it due to not having drawn for a while, j20 however pleased me greatly. Drawing this many characters on top of each other really is troublesome, you feel very restricted in which postures you can draw without everything becoming a clustered, undecipherable mess. I was originally planning to draw two or three more lolis running after the maid, and pulling on her skirt, but it took me a long time working things out, and at this point I'm quite exhausted. I expect good things for September, so far August has been a miserable string of shortcomings.
No.721915
Went back and fixed all the things that bothered me, as leaving things half done is a bad habit. I dropped the idea of more lolis, I feel it'd take away from the shape of things.
No.724939
Everyone holding up fine? Learn or find any new interesting techniques lately?
I'm having a lot of trouble composing dynamic environments, especially when attempting to integrate a single character into a scene with proper perspective. Does anyone have a tutorial or some kind of reference for making full compositions? All I'm getting are pure backgrounds or pure portraits, and the only real point of reference I have at the moment is fuji choco and a small handful of paintings. I need some kind of explanation because looking at photographs and paintings and attempting to mimic them hasn't been helping very much. I can't figure out the thought process or workflow behind some of these things and it would be great if anyone can hand a few pointers.
No.724940
Here's a pair of somewhat odd ones. If anyone can analyze and make sense of them for me, I'd really appreciate it.
No.724986
>>724939
Put simply, you have to put all the skills together in one image. Easier said than done, but there's no special "trick" or something extra you have to learn.
If you can make the scene properly and make the character properly, you just have to do both together.
No.724993
>>724939
I think the biggest issue is that your character isn't shaded like the environment, it really makes stick out. There aren't any other characters, and there's nothing in your picture with an obvious real life size, so it's not possible for the perspective to be wrong, for everything else can be as big or small as it wants to in relation to the girl. If you want to actually figure out how to do it properly you ought to try with backgrounds that have objects of objective sizes relative to humans. Granted I've no actual experience on the subject, but as a viewer it isn't possible to pass proper judgement, so I assume it makes it harder for an artist to figure out why things feel wrong.
No.725010
>>724939
> attempting to integrate a single character into a scene
I'm going to ask a silly question, anon.
Did you draw the background separately and paste the character in?
Also, please don't use the grass brush for grass. It's about as bad as putting lensflare on things.
No.725011
I actually wished their was a thread that sort of featured monster or main character illustration like one in castlevania aria of sorrow, I happend to admire the gothic feel of it quite deeply to be honest, also does anyone has a manga which is prone to have great interior building design, as in wooden floor and roofs inside a shrine or etc.
>>712482
That is a cute Shinobu art, anon.
No.727471
>>709609
Submitting drawing for the third anniversary.
No.727481
>>711633
>There's also the fact that most drawfags tend to be the kind of people that are incompatible with our way of thinking.
I feel the same way really.
If I want to get better, I need to keep practicing. Getting told everything I draw is shit kills my motivation to practice, so I don't improve.
I already know I need to read loomis (I actually prefer the proko video tutorials), and that's the only constructive criticism most people ever receive in these threads. I'm also perfectly capable of seeing the mistakes I make myself and correcting them, given sufficient practice.
I enjoy using the resources and reading the discussions in threads like this, but I've decided from now I'll only post finished art to places like pixiv.
No.727485
>>727471
>magma diver Asuka pinata
Very nice work all around anon.
No.727579
>>725010
The perspective doesn't really rely on the character being drawing along with it, so I can get away with slapping her in. I have a few attempts at more complex compositions in which there's 3+ vanishing points and 2+ horizon lines, but I can't exactly piece the character and the environment very well. I don't know where or how to place her if I draw the background first even when her position is sketched in, and it's complete madness to attempt to draw a background around the character because she'll contrast with the perspective, causing lots of uncomfortable redrawing and distortions to happen. It's all very difficult, especially when you want to compose the image in a certain way.
>Also, please don't use the grass brush for grass. It's about as bad as putting lensflare on things.
I'm just going with what's easiest for me at the moment. I have no clue how to stylize grass or anything with a hair-like texture. If you have any advice or tutorials for doing it in a quick and neat way, I sure could use it. I've been looking into watercolour techniques to rid of the contrast between my characters and backgrounds, I think I might need to skip line art altogether and jump from the sketch and go straight into the painting.
>>724993
>I think the biggest issue is that your character isn't shaded like the environment, it really makes stick out.
I'm using a limited palette and practically 1.5-toning with a simple atmospheric bloom-like effect, so she'd either end up blending with the background or she'd be shaded too much. I'll try making full scene that utilizes a comfortable shading palette to show the difference, I haven't done a proper one for nearly a year.
No.727900
>>727579
> I can get away with slapping her in
But you didn't get away with it. I noticed it immediately. Everything about her is different from the background, primarily that she has a solid outline and colors an nothing else does. She was clearly drawn by hand but the background, minus the trees and the grass were laid out with a line tool.
> easiest for me at the moment
You posted pictures of some guy painstakingly painting every single line of foam and spray in a waterfall. Looks nice doesn't it? My own stuff got a lot better when I just knuckled down, got eyeballs an inch off the paper and just drew the details.
Drawing the girl first is fine, but don't draw everything else completely separate from her.
No.728301
>>724939
I tried to do the background equivalent of a red-line
No.728303
>>728302
that's really good Anon
No.728305
>>728302
I do think it's been improved quite a bit, though it still looks slightly weird. I think some of the weirdness comes from the face being fully shaded, and to me it looks more like she's staring at the rightmost tree than the butterfly. If I were you I'd either try redrawing the head (or just the eyes) at another angle, so it looks like she's looking straight down the path, or redraw the entire character at an angle where some light would hit her face, and somehow make her look more interested in the butterfly.
No.728340
>>728305
>>728303
I'm not >>724939 anon, I just tried to help show what would help her blend in to the back-ground.
No.728341
While I'm glad I finally got to drawing a bit again, I'm moderately displeased with the results. Everything comes out slightly wrong, and I feel irritable and unfocused. At least August is finally over.
No.728397
>>728341
Drawing, and wanting to draw is fine and all but look into things that you get wrong - proportions and shapes.
No.728405
I went a few weeks without drawing and now I feel like I'm relearning everything all over again. Shit sucks.
No.728762
>To become better at drawing you have to learn anatomy at a level that would put most doctors to shame
No.728772
>>727471
It's great, good job Anon.
If anyone else wanted to draw something, please feel free to still do so as we can put up to 4 more images in the OP. Sorry >>709630
No.728790
>>728762
>>728786
In the old days doctors also learned anatomy by sketching it. In order to be any kind of man of science or medicine one had to learn how to accurately draw the things he observed because that was the only way to make a record of them.
No.728801
>>728405
Weird proportions.
No.728946
>>728405
This guy did not skip leg day.
No.728947
>>728801
I ended up deleting the whole thing.
No.728948
>>728947
Self hate, frustration, and starting over are what define a learning drawfag.
No.728950
>>728947
If you give up, I'll beat you into a pulp.
No.729471
Decided to try out another method of head construction, I'd be grateful for any feedback on it. I think I'll be able to get further with this than what I was doing before.
No.729477
>>729471
It looks miles better, anon.
No.729480
>>729471
The hairline makes it seem like her bangs are making a tube wave shape. Dunno if that was your intent, pointing it out in case.
No.729604
I think I'm drawing the eyes a bit too close to each other, I think a ratio of slightly less than an eyes worth of space between them would be better.
>>729480
It was intentional, but thanks regardlessly.
No.729615
>>729604
They also look like she's trying to focus on her own nose because you haven't left much white space on the inside sides of the eyes. The brain estimates view direction by comparing the white space on one side of the pupil to the white space on the other side.
No.729673
>>729604
Generally, you should be able to fit another eye in between the two.
No.729677
>>727471
Holy crap look at that smug portrait on the wall. Is it like, retard-strength but instead retard-smug?
No.729976
>>728948
Anatomy protip
>draw real people (or from a picture)
>compare real life to your horrible abomination
>repeat until correct proportions are learned
>give up (optional)
No.729989
>>712566
this is the most useful, should-have-been-common-sense thing I've ever read.
No.730139
>>729989
In my opinion, most of anatomy is like that. You just learn these little things that were causing holes in your understanding and suddenly your mastery improves significantly.
Something similar that I've recently discovered is that most people seem to have the illusion that the shoulders are attached to the rib cage. That isn't the case for the arm and scapula. The skin and muscle just stretch up to those. Keeping in mind that shoulder is actually separated from the rib cage most people seem to suddenly understand how to draw poses much more naturally.
No.730157
>watched some video tutorials
>working on head
>don't draw in weeks
>progress is now lost
Just end me...
No.730223
Anyone here seen Crumb? Half of is about being a comic book artist, the other half is about a fucked up guy from a fucked up family.
No.730679
>>730223
I seen it, never knew about underground comix industry or his arts, really like his style, his family segment probably the most intersting part.
I predict one of brother gonna suicide in the end, never thought it will it be the one who live with the mother.
No.730893
>>727471
>The loli eating the cake ahead of time and the Meido powerless to stop her
Just like /a/
No.731257
>>719414
Those are pretty interesting. Keep up the good work.
No.731506
Drew these two. I'm taking a break from trying to draw mouthes, as I'm very frustrated at my complete incapability of getting them to come out like I want them to. Otherwise I think I'm gradually working out my shapes, though I've still got a great way to go before it is at it needs to be. At that point I'll probably start to work out my torsos.
No.733442
>>709609
Here's my offering.
No.733493
>>733442
>>733442
OH SHIT TOMORROW IS /a/'S BIRTHDAY!
Fucking saved. Nice job.
No.733545
>>731506
The eyes look better, but the ears on the second picture look a little low. Generally, think about where your own ears are placed on your head. The earlobe is at the same height as the tip of the nose and the top of the ear is at about the same height as the eyelashes or eyebrows (at rest). And then you can make them smaller or larger as needed.
>>733442
Looking good. Where are the background posts from?
No.733603
>>733545
>Generally, think about where your own ears are placed on your head. The earlobe is at the same height as the tip of the nose and the top of the ear is at about the same height as the eyelashes or eyebrows (at rest).
>It's fucking true
No.733646
>>730139
Oooooooooh.
For some reason I was thinking of the humerus not only being connected to the ribcage, but also as having a slight L shape like the Femur.
No.738280
>>705226
Guides like what? Youtube?
No.741581
One day I will make the OC I am craving.
No.747494
Rise from your grave!
Have you been doing your art reps? I know I haven't.
No.747507
>>747494
I always am but I'm keeping them to myself
No.747527
>>747507
you monster. art is for sharing!
No.747714
>>747494
I've just been trying to keep drawing in general.
No.747723
>>728762
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No.747736
>>728762
No anon you don't understand, you just have to learn the basics of anatomy you use references for the rest and pick it all up as you go along. The secret here is to keep on drawing, drawing new things, drawing from new references with new angles, perspectives, redrawing those same images from memory, and learning to observe the body, the human form, like an artist, taking note of how each part lines up from each angle. I've had epiphanies about drawing just from looking as people in real life, once you've trained your brain to pick up on these things it starts to come more naturally to you. Still all requires effort though.
No.747738
>>747507
I don't think anyone cares that much about seeing practice drills, even if they are good. Though I don't think people are clear on what I mean by "reps"
>>747494
See the attached gifs, plus perspective sheet. These are simple drills you can use to improve your base skill with your pencil or digital pad. The shading one in particular was a must for me because I was bad at controlling the hardness of my lines, so my framework sketches were really dark and hard to work on to of as my drawings progressed.
Been neglecting my practice, gonna try to do a set now.
If you're at level 0, I suggest trying the drills in the gifs. Since you're doing drills more than actually trying to draw something, it will be less discouraging if you already consider yourself to be crap.
1. Draw a big circle, then a tiny circle in the middle. Then one between the two. See how many smooth circles you can pack into the space.
2. draw a square, fill it with hatching. be as consistent as you can.
3. Draw a long rectangle between two squares. Fill one on as dark as you can, leave the other empty.
Try to use hatching to make a smooth gradient from one side to the other.
Once again, there's a lot of basic drills in this guide:
https://www.sketchbook.com/blog/draw-imagination-part-1-precision/
No.747755
>>747738
<learning how to draw circles by hand on a digital format that gives you crazy amount of tools and freedom, not learning how to cheat your way through by using the power that's available to the extreme
that kind of stuff is only mandatory when you're restricted with one tool only and that is the brush itself.
No.747956
>>747755
>Why lift weights when we have forklifts?
It's an exercise drill for pen handling. Alternately draw nested squares.
It's less about the shape itself and more about warming up/improving your control.
No.748228
>>712587
Spoken like a true pleb. Never gonna make it like that.
No.751300
What's the preferred way of drawing: Traditional(pencil and paper) or Digital(drawing software or drawing on Tablets)?
No.751305
>>751300
Digital for digital purposes like colouring and linework, traditional for fun/idea sketching during a commute.
No.751356
>>751300
Digital is a pain in the ass. Fuck tablet driver issues, fuck their shitty tiny drawing areas, fuck choosing between dead zones or stretched aspect ratios, fuck accidentally drawing on the wrong layer, and fuck losing your work to computer bugs.
No.751703
>>751356
All these issues are still worth it for that little undo button.
No.752071
>>751356
>Fuck tablet driver issues
Agreed, it does fuck up every once in a while when I don't use the tablet for a week or two.
>fuck their shitty tiny drawing areas
Get a giano.
>fuck choosing between dead zones or stretched aspect ratios
Just get one that fits your aspect ratio then. Also stretched a shit.
>fuck accidentally drawing on the wrong layer
Human error, besides, you wouldn't draw in layers at all without digital.
>and fuck losing your work to computer bugs
Either save often or use a program with autosaves.
Still, the best way to draw is to ignore the conveniently placed drawing tablet that you only need to drag in front of the monitor and the bunch of white paper sheets next to it, instead drawing on an old notebook with lined sheets.
No.752085
No.754797
Lately I've been just loathing everything I draw. I don't bother saving anything and I can't bring myself to go past the initial sketch. Nothing is coming out right, it's very annoying.
No.759723
>>754797
Same, it's easier if you just stick to practice drills a while until it's a habit, and then start trying to make an illustration after a while after that.
No.760150
>mfw I just realized 4chan's /a/ has draw threads with a lot of requests
If I draw their requests as means of practice and post them here, will I die? Because there's no way I'm going to post there again.
No.760177
>>760150
You could have done so without mentioning it. It's been pretty barren here lately, so any attempts at drawing would be nice to see.
No.760356
>>751356
Yeah, I hate digital too. Draw by hand and then clean it with photoshop if you hate drawing digitally. That's what I do.
Anyways, It's been months since I picked up thee olde drawing pen. I blew all my money from welfare cheques to go to Japan and I blew some more of my neet savings to get acouple of nice Japanese drawing books while I was over there. Maybe now I can finally move up the ranks from deviant to pixiv level.
Also fuck Lenovo.
No.760422
>>747723
Anatomy is pretty fun. Try to find a decent book with pictures and some small paragraphs explaining the muscles and tendons.
Pic related. Not 100% Accurate but decent.
No.760455
>>724940
>>725011
What system were these pieces made with?
No.760463
>>760455
Fuji uses a combination of OpenCanvas and Clip Studio Paint, the Shinobu one might be purely Photoshop, and Barge Haulers on the Volga is a classic oil painting.
No.760750
>>705452
when he says study the fundamentals he means focus on perspective and anatomy. everything you've posted so far has had weird proportions, so start with drawing wireframes of body shapes and body parts like pic related>>705452
No.761671
Not really happy with my attempt at colouring it. It was really hard doing the hair and I just couldn't get the layers upon layers of shadows to make it look right. I'm disappointed that I had to dodge it at the end to make it look less shit. I don't even know where to start or want to attempt painting some anime background.
No.763318
Vidme embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>761671
>want to attempt painting some anime background.
Backgrounds are a suicide trip to an entirely different dimension, I would not recommend it unless absolutely necessary or if you have a suffocating urge to do it.
>I just couldn't get the layers upon layers of shadows to make it look right.
Are you fine with shading in black and white? Or are you having troubles dealing with different hues? When dealing with desaturated colours, your best bet is to shift the hue slightly along with the brightness. Going into the edge of the green and grabbing a grayish hue from there would look decent for the darker shades. Before going pure white, you can nab a desaturated hue between yellow and orange.
No.763322
>>761671
Here's an example of what I was trying to talk about. Grays have a neat trait that allows them to be arranged in all sorts of ways by simply adjusting the hue and the brightness. Because you're working with a desaturated base colour, you can get away with moving to an entirely different hue without much of a deviation in colour, but it's also subtle enough to make a significant difference.
No.766775
Need help here, I suck at Perspectives, Shade Value whatever, Angles, Anatomy and etc.
I actually own a few books but i swear i cant read these things forever cause I dont wanna hear the author every single thought...
But what books if any can you other drawfags recommend to me?
No.767361
>>766775
I actually have some art books from japan. I could post a chapter if you like. It's on colouring or drawing faces mostly. There is some anatomy but very little. Who cares about anatomy anyways. As long as the face is cute the body can be retarded. I'll work on faces before anything else if I were you, especially since thats the bane of gaijins. There's some books I really regret not buying now. There's one on drawing backgrounds and another one on photoshopping real images into anime backgrounds. Those would have been so fucking useful right now, if anybodys in Japan, buy them.
Heres a drawing I just spent 7hrs on today and I followed the steps in the colouring book I got from Nipland. Its a huge improvement because I actually google translated the instructions this time so I could actually understand what the fuck I needed to do compared to my first one >>763322. I re-inked it on Clip studio paint and also cheated at the end by liquifying it in photoshop. I was looking at the books and it seems that Sai produces much prettier colourings compared to CSP.
No.767434
>>767361
You're going to make it lad. Try spending 7 hours on the head and hair alone, watch what happens. It'll be fucking magical, I promise you.
No.767439
>>767361
Are you >>702855 ? If so it's impressive how far you have come from 5 months.
No.767448
I think I drew Levi by accident.
No.767457
>>766775
>that face
That's some grade A 2DPD you've managed to achieve there, Anon.
No.767466
Hey goys, been drawing anything since this morning ?
No.767892
I make thing. Boy, do I miss being a useless NEET.
No.767918
>>767892
The average day in /jp/.
No.768259
>>766775
Here's some useful pages out of the book. Just pick some manga artist and imitate from manga. There's so much vols of each manga that you can get any angle, expression etc... I personally look through Gakkou gurashi's art because I like that artstyle of generic girl faces.
>>767439
Nah, that's not me. My skill levels about 2 years non-stop drawing as a neet, probably drawn a lot more than everybody here that my back started hurting from drawing so much.
Anybody that's taking pics from smartphones, you should run your pic through some phone editor app to level it. Snapseed's decent enough for quick low effort leveling and cleaning.
No.768615
Excuse the quality. I drew this some days ago and used head construction. Does anything look off? I am more or less a beginner.
No.768647
>>767466
The fuck are you, a high schooler?
No.769028
I've got a book on drawing the human head and some PDFs of Loomis, but would that translate well to other art styles like anime or kemono? Shouldn't I read How to Draw Anime guides instead?
No.769031
>>769028
NO. You need to know how to depict reality and its ugliness before you stylize it and make it beautiful. If you do not know real human proportions then your characters will look retarded.
No.769062
You guys inspired me to pick up a pencil and a lined notebook and draw some shit yesterday.
I started off with some pyramids, cylinders and cuboids for practice and then moved on to sketching a generic moe animu slut.
After more than decade of not drawing anime, it was to my great surprise that she actually turned out pretty decent! The proportions are mostly right and she's even kinda cute! All those hours of autistically practicing how to draw Digimon and Love Hina characters on Oekaki boards when I was a pre-teen were not in vain, it seems.
I'd take a photo and post it if I had any form of camera, but I don't.
Anyway, the point is you guys reminded me how much fun drawing is.
No.769101
>>769031
To be fair there are a bunch of "quality" threads that say different. You can still get licences and all sorts of shit if you can draw...sorta cute. If you could draw that well on the right you could say fuck the cute and instead draw something fucking worthwhile. Perhaps get picked up as a regular artist for MtG or Warhammer 40k. I hear they pay their artists well.
No.769103
>>769101
What if you have the skill and biological knowledge of the right, but would prefer to draw cute females rather than roided up, scarred, perpetually angry/grim men in eternally grungy environments?
No.769106
>>769101
You don't need to draw as well as the guy who did the drawings on the right, but you really need to know anatomy to draw cute girls without doing some janky shit.
No.769109
>>769101
I also hear furries pay extremely well, we should all draw furfaggotry. Hell, modern art sells for really high prices, why bother to learn to draw anything at all.
No.769111
>>769106
Google anime quality. Big names hire out people who cant draw as good so you dont have to worry about knowing anatomy if a big company allows sauske's neck to bend and a horizontal angle to the point where it looks like someone broke it.
>>769109
Exactly. If you are ok with drawing neon dog dick you can make some side money while you practice. Hell who knows, that could end up helping you practice drawing animal anatomy for vet books. No one wants to draw the dog cock but animal doctors need a picture reference.
No.769113
>>769109
Breathing is also quite a hassle these days, now that you mention it.
No.769114
>>769113
Dont worry, they even have machines for that shit. You sell off some shitty art and pay for a few tubes of oxygen and a machine. Its fucking easy man.
No.769191
>>768259
>2 years non-stop drawing as a neet
That's how you grow powerful.
No.769245
>>769191
Why spend 2 years drawing cute girls when you could spend them BECOMING a "[CUTE GIRL]".
No.769390
>>769245
Because every time you look in the mirror you will think you arent perfect, and continue until you get so fed up you kill yourself. Do yourself a favor, draw it instead.
No.769398
>>769245
Porque no los dos?
No.769514
>>769062
This pleases me greatly. Please do your best.
No.771106
Is it true that you can't get good past a certain level without taking classes?
>>769245
You can't become the perfect little girl, but you sure as hell can draw her or him.
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No.771107
>>771106
>Is it true that you can't get good past a certain level without taking classes ?
No, that's just a myth. Unless what you want to do requires certification then school is not a necessity. It could help in theory, but between the education bubble and the state of modern "art schools" it's unlikely to be anywhere near worth the cost.
Dedication is the thing, and maybe criticism and advice from good art-sempais.
No.771128
>>771106
I took actual factual college art classes back when I was stupid. It was even more of a waste of time than the compsci classes where they teach muslim immigrants how to open internet browsers.
The class started at 6 in the morning. The professor was clearly an art world dropout who usually opened the class with some home videos made by her friend who was a pilot or something stupid. She gave no instruction whatsoever and just plopped fruit on the table and told us to draw it until we got gud. All the time she played some shitty relaxing hymnal choir music that would put a tweaker hyped on crack to sleep.
No.771172
>>771128
Man, did you just went into the first school that had "art" written somewhere on the brochure? The classes I had were 100% anatomic studies, with models every friday and day-long sessions on saturdays. I get the impression that you might still be stupid now.
No.771291
>>771172
No I was completing other classes and in commiefornia they make you take 'electorates' to get more money out of you. You also had to attend this 'basic technique' class before you could apply for more advanced things, your current ability regardless.
No.771301
>>771291
>in commiefornia they make you take 'electorates' to get more money out of you.
>in commiefornia
No, that's pretty standard for colleges in general. Your "core" (what you actually want to learn) can be as little as half of your degree.
I understand one solid rule is to avoid any school that's aggressively recruiting students. Them's some degree mills, especially if it's online. There might be good art schools out there, but you'll have to do your homework. Or just learn online for no cost past internet access and supplies and you can go at your own pace.
No.771871
How do you learn anatomy online ? for the love of me i can't find any website that can help me with that.
No.771873
>>771871
Try BODYBUILDING SITES FOR APEX MUSCLE VIEWING.
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No.772027
>>705358
>Study
The most important skill is to learn to observe with your eyes. Most people only see the world as a collection of named objects, while an artist must learn to see the lines, tones, and colors which make up those objects. The main mistake every beginner artist makes is to try and draw an object without actually observing what it really looks like.
>exert discipline
Eh, you don't need to practice every day. Once a week is plenty as long as you really concentrate on what you're doing. One carefully drawn picture based on meticulous study of real subjects is worth 1000 shitty sketches. You don't improve by doing the wrong thing over and over again.
>take criticism
Most criticism I've seen on 8chan is shit. "Your art sucks, read Loomis," isn't constructive criticism. Don't give a fuck about what other people think - they'll just drag you down. If you want to learn to be a good artist, you must hold yourself to high standards and learn to spot your own mistakes. It often helps to come back to the same piece a day or two later with a clear head. Drawing from real photos or screencaps helps here because you can do a direct comparison and see which parts of your drawing are different.
No.772028
No.772033
>>771874
>lolis
Your favorite artist, really.
No.772082
>>769101
Posemaniacs is also good for general reference.
http://www.posemaniacs.com/
No.772124
>>769109
The moment an artist grabs his audience by the dick is the moment he becomes a soulless money machine, but hell, if they manage to keep themselves out of being discovered, they can make quite the pretty penny even with shitty drawings.
No.772128
What to do when drivers for Wacom don't work? I bet at least half of you had to go through this shit
No.772209
>>772128
What kind of trouble dear anon.
No.772232
>>772128
You should be able to download something from their site. A single search solved my problems.
No.772977
I'm making something for /loli/.
Merry Christmas, /a/!
No.772980
>>772977
Dammit anon! I came twice in five minutes!
No.773014
>>772977
A little too much roastie-looking for my tastes, but not bad by any means. Is that a commission?
No.773016
>>773014
Nah, just a request from their drawthreads. I don't know what loli vagoo should look like, I already have trouble drawing a regular one. There's a joke in there somewhere.
No.773017
No.773102
>>772977
How do anon's legs fit in the space between his head and the wall?
No.773120
No.773841
No.773934
I hope everyone was more productive than I this fine and joyous christmas.
No.773935
>>773934
Forgot spoiler. Woops.
No.773963
>>773934
neat, are you going to finish it? I always struggle with finishing stuff I draw so I wouldn't blame you if you don't.
No.774169
>>711616
/monster/ isn't good for much, but they've got a pretty good thread dedicated to creating new drawfags.
No.774178
>>774169
You have brought me to the grim realization that I made this thread half a year ago.
No.774185
>>774169
There's probably enough interest on this board to support a weekly drawpile session too.
No.774226
All my drawings are in black & white and this kinda sucks, i'd like to color them. Any tutorial or introduction for digital coloring
No.774251
>>773934
S-she's beautiful!
No.774275
No.774280
>>774275
Those are definitely tits and that is definitely a feminine face and body; Are you fucking gay?
No.774292
>>774178
Why should it be grim?
Surely you've used these six moths to drastically improve your drawing skills, right?
After all, if you made the thread you've got the moral responsability to lead the drawing improvement club.
>>774185
It's not just the drawpiles, the very OP is stacked with information and resources.
No.774321
>>774292
234 images totaling about 11GB, I had a good year. I am a responsible OP.
>>774226
Here's a few small tutorials. It should serve some use, though I wouldn't blame you if it comes off as draw the rest of the owl.
No.774815
I have all the individual parts of anatomy and skeletons down, I just have trouble getting the proportions of the different parts in relation to eachother. I also have trouble doing that with non-anatomical dawings, getting the length and size of lines and shapes correctly. The individual parts are fine, but the whole isn't.
Any advice? maybe I just need to do more studies of photos and still lives?
No.774901
>>774815
The thought process I always use is:
Elbows end right below the ribcage
Palms will fall mid-thigh when standing, you can raise that a little to make someone look 'leggier'.
Head should be able to fit inside chest cavity.
Wrist to palm, hand should be about 3/4 the length of the forearm. Feet should be a little over half the length of the calves.
Elbow should be able to get above the head. Obviously since we're working with anime here that might have to get fudged a little.
No.774914
>>774815
For that, grids will assist in putting it all together, at least for a basic front view. There are also tutorials that divide the body by heads, creating arbitrary lines that should keep everything else proportionate. You're on your way though, this part needs a little bit of practice since you're splitting away from references.
No.774918
No.774932
>>774918
What spicy meme is this supposed to be.
No.775198
Is it possible to do digital cel animation without having it look bad?
No.775638
In terms of drawing how was this year for you lads?
For me, I learned more than I expected but nearly as much as I had hoped. Looking forward to keeping up an actual schedule instead of doing shit irregularly
No.775640
>>775638
I feel like I've picked up a few tricks that speed up the linework and coloring process, but I'm still not an especially good artist when it comes to perspective and anatomy.
No.775697
>>775638
>In terms of drawing how was this year for you lads?
I started again in the middle of 2017. Here's hoping for a full year of drawing.
No.775798
>>775638
A resounding success. I figured out a really good workflow for backgrounds and how to colour things with an eraser. Character art plateau'd, but I'm too happy about not having blank backgrounds to care.
No.775835
>>775640
Ah man, perspective and angles have always been a pain in the ass. Don't even have the slightest clue on how I'll fare on the more advanced shit later on.
>>775697
I've heard that making it into a habit helps alot, never was one for regimes though so I can't attest to that.
>>775798
Have always been fond of your stuff. I've found that trying out different things always helped whenever I'd get into a slump though I can't exactly say I was too satisfied with the result at the time.
Let's do our best this year too, /a/nons!
No.775865
>>775835
>Let's do our best this year too, /a/nons!
2018 is the year I kick all my shit into high gear. I've taken the first steps towards turning my hobbies into profitable skills and the only place I have to go from here is up.
No.777145
The Drawing Improvement Club designs their poster.
No.777153
>>777145
That's cute. Wait a moment.
>that artstyle
I'm so happy that you aren't actually dead.
No.777166
>>777145
I'm making that the OP for next thread if you don't mind
No.777174
>>777145
I hope the D.I.C. gets bigger.
No.777201
>>777145
>that poster
>nose bone
>Hilarious
>leg elbow
>radius
>circumference
I like it!
No.777204
>>775638
I got beat down into submission every time I posted a new drawing and started regressing. This year I'm getting back into it.
No.777205
>>777201
It's the little details.
No.777829
>>777166
I don't mind at all.
>>777174
No.778120
>>777829
Sorry to ask this but would it be alright if you could perhaps draw some of your old characters too? Only if that's not too much of a problem, of course.
No.783858
New thread's up if anyone is still here.
>>783736