/a/ - Animu & Mango

>Start drawing

>It gets lewd

>Get boner

>Wank

>All motivation to draw gone, in the trash can to stink until I take it out.

What hardware and software do you use for drawing, /a/nons? I had some practice drawing on simple paper and always wanted to diverge into proper digital drawing, but I'm dirt poor. As soon as I manage to save some money I wish to buy something that can help me draw but I don't even know where to start looking.

>>783889

Printer paper

Pencils

You can get scanners for around $80.

Cheapest Wacom tablet is $100. It'll take you pretty far. Fancy tools don't help at all honestly.

>>783889

I use ArtRage and a fairly old CTH-470 tablet. You can also use vectors and mouse if you don't want to jump straight into tablets.

>tfw starting drawing months ago

>tfw stopped do to work, moving, and laziness

>tfw hesitant to draw because my standards would make me hate everything I draw

How do I draw?

>>783902

Draw anyways and hate everything your hands create.

>>783902

Study anatomy, forms, lighting, color, and perspective.

>>783907

Not a bad start.

>>783911

Got anything on anatomy?

>>783912

That's where forms becomes useful. Everything natural is composed of forms.

>>783908

>>783911

I actually downloaded the loomis depository on 8ch and realized I fucking hate reading that shit off of my computer. Anyone else have the same issue? I've been thinking of printing out the books and putting it together in a binder.

I'm starting to think the best approach to drawing to to draw anyway. At best, it's decent. At worst, you can shitpost with it.

Also, how much alcohol do you/should you drink before drawing?

>>783922

Just enough so that any frustrations you may get during the drawing process are temporarily alleviated.

>Crowbro is pic 2 in the OP

If that anon has an actual moniker they go by, I'd love to know it. I've been saving up their stuff.

>>783907

That's not shitty at all friend. That's solid effort. Try to not use notebook paper though please

>>783924

Yeah I much rather prefer reading off of paper.

>"From a long winded teacher comes a book with few words"

>Explains how you should use the book

>pages of illustrations with a bit of text

This book feels perfect for me

>>783865

But then how did you start drawing?

>>783736

>Didn't use the drawfags first image

Aw, that's kinda disappointing.

>>783926

How about having him do some idol pose together with Schrödinger?

>>783889

Mechanical pencil and cheap white paper to draw the basic sketch.

Scanner to digitize it.

GIMP 2.9 development version and a cheap Wacom tablet for digital inking.

I recommend the dev version of GIMP since it has nice features like lossless canvas rotation which is essential when using a tablet. Hopefully 2.10 will be released soon.

>>784162

Small gaps are largely unavoidable, especially when you have sharp edges. Some people use layer effects such as a drop shadow or outline that matches the colour then rasterizing it. Some magic wand outside of the lines, invert it, and fill it in from there. Some just use blend modes. I personally have to fill it manually, as my lines are a little bit transparent.

>>784205

Wow, it's incredible simple but I didn't even think about inverting the selection to try and minimize necessary fixes, thanks. If you're still around, would you mind explaining what blend modes are? Actually, layer effects like drop shadow and outline are also unknown to me.

>>784211

Not the same anon, but blend modes are basically the functions which determine what happens to the pixels when you put one layer on top of another.

Say you have two layers, L1 on the bottom and L2 on top:

Normal alpha blending means your final pixel value is (L2*alpha) + (L1*(1-alpha)).

Additive blending just means it's L1+L2.

Multiplicative blending means it's L1*L2.

and so on...

The blending get's evaluated sequentially upwards, so first the bottom two layers get blended together, then the output of that is blended with the next layer up, and so on until all the layers have been blended. Usually each color channel is evaluated independently, with black being (0,0,0) and white being (1,1,1).

>>784219

Chiefly what is something like that used for?

>>784233

Alpha blending is used all the time. Any time you want a layer with some transparent parts so you can see lower layers through it, you're using alpha blending.

Multiply mode can be used to add color to a grayscale image, or to do things like add shadows or make clothes look damp.

The rest are more specialized and I only use them very rarely.

>>784236

Oh okay, so like a brush mixing colors together between what's already on the canvas and the newest paint on the brush?

>>784255

Exactly. There are lots of different ways they can blend together. Sometimes one completely covers the other, but other times the two can mix together to create a different color.

>>784265

I see, I see. Thank you very much.

>>784162

Does clip studio have an option to grow the selection by 1 pixel? I've been using Krita lately and a really helpful feature in that program is that the fill bucket tool can be set to automatically grow the filled area by however many pixels you need. It closes up 90% of the lineart corner gaps.

>>784280

I believe so... sometimes when I click the bucket multiple times, the colored area does grow slightly.

>>784288

>when I click the bucket multiple times, the colored area does grow slightly.

That happens when pixels on the edge are partially selected.

>>784329

5/5, pretty cute.

>>784343

photoshop

>>784343

>sometimes its layers bleed into each other

Please explain

>>783907

You're gonna make it!

>>784516

Sometimes ill be coloring 1 layer then if i hide it some of the layers below retain some of the colors.

I never did read anything on how to use krita i just assumed its layer system was the same as phtooshop

>>787743

Hit me with an assignment now, anon, before this little spark of motivation goes cold.

>>787745

If your motivation is going to get cold in two days then it's going to get cold during the process itself. I'd suggest getting that checked out first and foremost, as a compromised mindset results in nothing getting done.

>>788657

>>787815

How fucking funny, I'm really busting a gut over here

>>789475

>conservative, brilliant but arrogant

>far above you

I get the impression of a cold personality, so subdued, cold colors?

>>789501

I'd say that looks okay. Blue creates this weird contrast with the sweater, I'd change it to a darker, greyer red. Sticking two a two-bit palette for a two-bit character might be fitting, so working with neutrals, reds, and purples might work best.

>>783865

>Get boner

Push through the boner and fap later.

Concentrate on getting those shapes and lines right, bro.

>>794761

Do whatever makes you motivated to draw my dude.

Practice doesn't mean shit if you're too demotivated to actually do it.

Say, that messy, black haired girl in the original image looks familiar; the one who suggests the different name. Who be she?

>>797129

Shit, I remember that. I love Crow Girl and co. If said anon is here still, I wanna say thank you for making such a cool character.

>>797137

Sadly, he hasn't posted anything after those images. Maybe it's because /monster/ caught wind of him being here. I don't know for sure if that's the reason though.

>>797140

Oh dear, I would hope that that's not the case. Now I feel kinda bad for asking about him if he really wished to remain hidden.

>>797423

That is great anon and I love Mitty's burgeoning oppai.

As someone who has never drawn anything in their life, where should I start? Not with weebshit, but just drawing in general. Would be nice to keep it contained to the computer, so dropping some money on a budget graphics tablet wouldn't be much of an issue. I'd like to hear an anons advice though considering most stuff I find online is normalfags shilling.

>>797555

You need to learn proper shapes and dimensions first. Until you can draft decently "straight" squares, triangles, cricles, and ovals, don't even worry about drawing people. Then get down your 3 diensional spacing within a 2D environment. Expand from there into things like brick walls/geometrical scenery, and then you should be good to start learning to draw faces and learning body proportions/dimensions.

>>797423

Looks great.

>>797419

Drawing tragic characters always helps me cope as well.

Well done.

>>797791

>>797423

Thanks, drawfag. There's never enough humanform Mitty.

I've been practicing drawing for my waifu. I really want to be good at drawing her.

I wish I had began sooner.

>>799738

No matter how long it takes to get good she'll still be loving you

>>799774

Aw, thanks!

>>799781

First couple of pictures, feet are too wide apart and knees aren't bent enough. Poor position for melee. Generally for passing footwork(stepping left foot, right foot with strikes etc.) styles you have knees bent more since you want a lower center of balance, while with non-passing footwork(fencing, kendo etc) having straighter legs is more acceptable(but often with legs closer to each other). He

Second pics migration era sword looks wonky; handle is all around too small.

Third pics buttons confuse me; looks it's inverted, with the hole-side which should be on top being undeneath where the buttons are done.

The length of the maille is a bit questionable, too. Since at that length it becomes difficult to move your legs(speaking from experience; immediate refund). You could say that it's been made wider at the hem, but that's a waste of rings and weighs more, so generally it either ended at the knee or then had a split.

T. can't draw for shit but have swords and maille.

>>799781

6/10, you're like a better version of me with drawing medieval soldiers and spending inordinate amount of time with chainmail.

A pretty damn wacky soldier though, it's like a Huscarl except with a crusader-like surcoat, a weird roman legionary like helmet except more closed in face and inexplicable demon horns.

>>799942

I'd like to see you improve your skills. You have good line control and you can ape some features of anime art---I assume you've practiced a lot of 3/4 view anime faces---but you are lacking in fundamentals. I recommend Loomis books and life drawing.

>>800020

Thank you.

>>800021

Figure drawing for all it's worth? I went through fun with a pencil and did most of the exercises, particularly the ones about head construction. I assume the area I'm most lacking in is figure drawing, right?

>>800194

>Figure drawing for all it's worth? I went through fun with a pencil and did most of the exercises, particularly the ones about head construction. I assume the area I'm most lacking in is figure drawing, right?

Yes and yes. To surmarise your current main flaw, your drawings do not sell the underlying 3D volumes in the construction. Look at the feet in the left drawing, there is no three-dimensionality to them. The perspective of the chest is too front-on. The bra strap in the other drawing does not curve around the side of the chest.

>>800249

Alright, I'll be sure to focus on that then. Thanks!

>>800395

How do you do this though? Do you just copy an image and try to understand why the artist did something in a certain way?

>>800395

I feel like you drew a man instead a of a vampire loli.

>>800420

Damn good curves in the first pic. Second pic, the top leg is too big. Perspective making things look bigger combined with foreshortening making things look smaller is a huge bitch to get right, no?

>>801472

/tg/ would be eternally grateful if kept drawing adorable crowgirls.

>>801470

3rd pic has best colour scheme and pose.

>>801472

Good to see crow girl yet lives, at least somewhere. Godspeed.

So I have a friend who wants to go from animals to humans and has no clue where to start. I recall a few videos in a older thread here that looked pretty useful for those looking to learn the kinda fundamentals that they are interested in. Anyone remember something like that? I'd appreciate anything I can really point them to.

>>801472

CUTE

>>806132

Tell him to draw naked girls just constantly. Eventually he'll git gud.

>>809711

Crowgirl is the purest maiden.

>>810163

>>810464

>Good artist.

>No views on Youtube.

Excuse me?

>>810470

I started uploading yesterday.

>>810472

Just a note, you might want to type with good grammar here. Meido's are swift in terms of shutting down people who don't cross their I's and dot their T's.

>>810464

That's really fucking slow. Try not zooming in while things are rough. You're going to get into the details while microscoped in, move on, then realize everything is the wrong size and have to start over. I personally just stick to paper for sketching

>>801472

I'm glad to see your art with Crow Girl, anon.

Do not listen to some retarded assholes who ask for lewd-version, these are people of limited minds, really

>>810987

Just trying still makes you better than all those people that don't try. Like me

Does 3D modeling counts? Or is this 2D only club no game assets allowed?

>>810967

>seeing it as a chore.

>How do you lads deal with this?

This answer probably won't be helpful, but I just powered through it (over a period of about 5 years of on-and-off drawing) until my drawing skill was acceptable enough to me that I didn't see all of my sketches as failures. That was when the process, as well as the final product, became a pleasure to me. It helped that my self-esteem and depressed mood had been lifting in the meantime too.

>>811120

Also try to finish every drawing even if you feel it is going to turn out shit.

Here's a video where some crazy farmer explains it is okay to not be great now because if you keep practicing you'll be great someday. Skip to 15:00 if you want to get to the point I am trying to make though the whole video is good.

>>811118

I don't see why it should be excluded.

>>811118

>>811133

>3DPD

I think it's fine, as long as it's /a/ related in some way. Wasn't there some anon who married his waifu in VR recently?

>>811176

Short shorts are the choice of the high school slut. Give her something athletic and loose.

If you lads need some art-related youtube resources, I found two channels that have some decent stuff.

Sycra and Sinix Design.

>>810967

I suggest you slam the breaks immediately before it gets worse.

Sit down and truly think why you're feeling that way. Is it just the lack of skill or is it something deeper?

If it's the lack of skill, that's an "easy" solve.

Stop comparing yourself to where other people are right now and start comparing yourself to where you were yesterday. Focus on your process and figure out how to make it enjoyable. Don't put too much weight on the end result.

The process is the most important thing here because if your process is flawed, then you won't get what you want and it'll become draining if it's not "fun".

Trust me, anon. I've been there. The only way I got out of that rut and avoided burnout is to enjoy my process, draw what I like and focus on getting stuff to finish.

I also found that if you're an artist, you can tell your art's shit because you know where to look for flaws so it's all readily apparent to you.This will never go away so I suggest you don't let it bog you down too much. It's a thing every artist, no matter their skill level, feels.

Here's another tip. Keep your eyes looking forward to the ideal future. To your potential and believe in it. Work towards it. Just because you're shit now doesn't mean you will be shit in a year if you busted your ass.

Just try to draw and study regularly and you'll do just fine.

>>811207

To me the eyes look way too big. If you're on tablet can you shrink them down some?

>>811196

But usually all they lead to is PE class.

>>811207

I'd say study more Japanese artists if you want it to look more like that style, especially with the coloring. Right now that's comfortably in what tumblr would consider anime style.

>>811181

Seconding this.

>>811215

You should use as many different layers as possible.

Draw individual features, such as eyes or hair, or nose on individual layers in black with a transparent background. Maybe set up two buttons on your pen to go up/down a layer.

When you feel like the black/white is done you can set up a new layer for each object below the black/white layer and just start coloring. If you think something needs to be moved or scaled, or rotated you can simply select both layers of the same object (black/white and colour layer) and apply the same transformation.

>>811176

Plain isn't bad. I believe there simply is too little going on with her clothes. Her top is basically a solid colour torso with no shadows or colour patterns. Maybe add purple or white stripes to the top, or some socks to the legs so it doesn't look as bland as it does.

>>811290

Krita is actually very nice for drawing and has many quality of life features.

Use group layers. Make a group for each feature and then use the third option in the transform tools to transform the entire group at once.

I mainly use GIMP, but only because I don't really do anything besides basic edits.

>>797658

Doesn't this book require the usage of bizarre implements that a typical newb wouldn't even think to have lying around?

>>811393

You can easily make them with a piece of cardboard and some plastic. You don't even need them that much anyway.

>>811181

>>811182

>>811273

So spats and some texture for the shirt, i will work on that after fixing a few problems on the model

Thanks guys

>>811886

Your hands don't seem comfortable at all with even basic shapes yet. Draw me some cubes and circles, anon.

>>811935

I think anon is quite talented for an ant.

>>811886

Frank Cho's Drawing Beautiful Women

https://vk.com/doc52667931_437713318?hash=8d09c6db20ed744c85&dl=0d36fbeb9c7276469c

But listen to this guy first: >>811935

>>811935

How should I train for this, just continuing to practice, or is there any good resources for teaching.

>>812001

At the stage you're at you should just draw basic shapes over and over until you can control what your hand is doing.

>>812001

Just draw. You need to build up muscle memory. Don't be discouraged but you are going to be drawing garbage for a while. Think of it like weight lifting. Don't stop posting stuff though.

But yeah draw circles, triangles, squares, and cubes. If you are a total newfag when it comes to drawing try tracing a few drawings it will help at your stage. Just draw.

>>812089

I typed "angry dw arthur" in searx.me and got porn.

>>812167

Arms look good, body is good, the dark shoulder line looks wrong though the lighter lines show you have an idea where it should be. Boobs need to be fixed.

>>811886

>>811461

>>812167

Stop chicken scratching. Do long lines, draw with your arm and/or elbow not your fingers or wrists.

>>812528

Any suggestions for practice or is it a JUST DO IT kind of thing?

>>812532

>asking for practice exercises and sources

Anon, it's a JUST STOP PROCRASTINATING thing.

>>812532

Literally scribble on paper until it resembles something you intended.

>>812542

>>812579

Thanks.

>>812561

Google.

>>812532

Get an anatomy book from /loomis/ or /art/, then read it while drawing pictures from it while doing some gesture drawings on the side. Try to see where you keep fucking up in proportions and try to correct your errors.

There are a gorillion things you need to learn before you start pumping out some good drawings, just keep practicing and learning and eventually you'll pick up everything you need, one thing at a time.

Embed related, Proko makes A+ tier tutorials.

>>783865

>not finishing a drawing then fapping to train yourself that completed work=rewards

Never gonna make it with that attitude.

>>812917

Even for someone who doesn't draw these are pretty interesting to watch

>>813343

If you enjoy his videos maybe you should try giving the eternal suffering that is getting good at drawing a shot.

>>813341

You lines are squiggly because your movements are too slow. Draw fast, long strokes, using your arm. Also keep in mind that 2D is an abstracted representation of 3D, your drawings are 100% flat.

Since you asked, excercises here.

>https://drawabox.com/

>>813509

You're doing an absurd amount of chicken-scratching, look at the pages between the books or the contour of anything in the picture and compare them with the lines in your image. The blending thing you're doing muddies all the contours and makes the image looks messy and so do those weird zig-zags you're doing, I suggest you learn how to use multiply and screen layers or if you're going to shade with lines, then do hatching. As for coloring, I think Sycra on youtube has the best tutorials for understanding colors and also Gurney's book recommended in >>813354 but that's a little too advanced

>>813530

Now I remember where I saw this guy before.

How do you draw eyes?

>>813603

Anime eyes or real life eyes?

>>813619

Anime eyes.

>>813619

>>813624

Real eyes inform anime eyes.

>>813625

Oh, alright.

How do I draw real eyes?

Thank god I knew enough to be ashamed of drawing anime when I was a kid.

>>813626

Post a drawing.

>>813655

Draw what you love just make sure you have built a good foundation of fundamentals.

>>813626

Just remember that eyes are 3D and are made of 3-dimensional shapes, complete with their own anatomy. Sadly, 2D takes from 3D. One must study and conquer 3D in order to make the best 2D you can.

>>814518

Fuck you draw really well.

>>814518

>Elf

>Dirty looking

>Possibly a prostitute

l don't like this

>>814534

Seems pretty accurate to me.

>>814572

You'll get better faster as well.

>>814518

That's one good looking penis though

Just doing some autism, feel free to bully me for it.

So if you were to draw 20 pages of paper full of anything as practice every day, and you use both sides of the paper, that would be 10 sheets of paper a day.

10 sheets of paper a day come to 30 sheets per month, or 3650 sheets per year.

500 sheets of white A4 printer paper cost 3,50€, or your regional equivalent. A year's supply of paper costs 25,55€.

Companies often give out free pencils at conventions, but you don't need to be a freeloader to get cheap pencils. Said companies order their pencils from printing shops and have their logo, name or telephone number printed on them. If you know the a little bit about industrial mass production, you know that there will always be misprints. Pencils that are completely fine as pencils, but have a slightly off center company logo on it, or someone noticed a typo too late, or the printer in the factory ran out of paint a little too quickly and now the colours are slightly off. Because the printing shop can't deliver this not up to standard product to the original contractor, but removing the print and reusing the pencil is more expensive than buying a new one, they sell the misprinted pencils for next to noting.

You can get more than 100 pencils for less than 8€, so 1 pencil for 0,08€ at worst. (You find deals with 1 pencil for 0,05€ very frequently. In fact it's the standard for misprints).

A single pencil can last you between a month and a week, depending on how much you draw with it. You would need 52 pencils at worst, and 12 pencils at best per year, so maybe 4 to 5€ at worst in pencils.

This comes up to less than 30€ a year. The current rate between € and $ is roughly 1€ to 1,25$. Even if you manage to get more expensive paper, can't find pencils as cheap as I did, or maybe you live in bumfuck nowhere and shipping costs extra, you would spend less than 40$ a year on supplies. You need sharpeners for your pencils, but the blades on those last for years. I have had mine since I was in school, and literally never had to replace it. Even then they are cheap as shit, and you can often get them for free as well. Even if you somehow manage to run out of sharpeners, or you want some colour pencils as well, you will literally never spend more than 50$ a year on supplies.

50$ a year is less than 0,14$ a day. Your supplies won't spoil. Your pencils won't rot and as long as you store your paper somewhere dry and keep it in the box it was delivered in until you actually need it it won't turn yellow or crumple. You can buy in bulk at the beginning of the year. 4000 pages of A4 (80g per m², standard printer paper) will weigh ~20 kilos, or 22,2 pounds, and a 500 sheets pack of paper is only a little larger than your average hard cover dictionary. 4000 sheets will not take more than a corner in your room, or a small space underneath your desk. If you don't crumple up the paper after you are done with it, and instead just stack it as you would stack any other paper, you won't need to bring out the paper bin nearly as often as you would think.

Just go online, order your god damned supplies and start fucking drawing. If even 50$ a year (which is an absolute maximum, unless you want to use more or better paper) sounds like it's too much for you, you can get a jar of some kind and put a 5$ note into it every week. You will have the money in 10 weeks, or a little over two months.

There is no excuse. Even poorfags can afford to draw.

>Never drew in my life.

>Started a few days ago.

>My shits all retarded and looks terrible.

This is normal, right? Should I just keep taking cracks at it?

>>815085

You're right on both questions. Keep in mind you should not only practice but also look for ways to get better, that's where the books come in handy: >>813354

>>815085

Yes it is very normal. Though it is probably better you are so green because you haven't learned any bad habits yet. >>813354 "Perspective Made Easy." Is a great place to start and a pdf can easily be found on google.

>>815089

>>815090

Alright guys, I'll keep going.

We're all gonna make it.

>>815094

Also there is no shame in posting shit you draw here. This is a drawing improvement club after all.

>>815265

Post your abominations so we can bully you into gitting gud.

>>815280

Less skilled have to embarrass themselves first or they'll get scared by the more skilled.

>>783736

You don't improve your drawing. You're either born with a natural aptitude for it or you're not.

>>815016

Good work anon.

>>815337

This. Trying otherwise is stupid and a waste of time. Unless you are naturally good, everything you make is shit.

>>815484

Loomis

Also Burne Hogarth I guess

>>815745

Thanks I am still working through the fundamentals so this helps a lot.

>>815489

>>815745

>>815779

advanced hands at: >>783908

Any you guys got tuto about drawing figure laying down and how the hair mesh with bed? I having hard time drawing it.

>>817933

It's why you are supposed to balance fundies with fun shit you want to do. We're all gonna make it.

We need a new thread.