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 No.39335

Greetings anons of /x/! I come in peace with a question that has me deeply troubled. Not too long ago I came upon some research that has identified, with decent evidence, that many of the pagan gods (such as Thor, Odin, Saturn, Uranus, etc.) as having been mortal men of the Neolithic era that came to be worshipped as venerable ancestors. If this is true, then how does one explain the esoteric significance of the cult of Saturn (both his general and inverted form), as well as all the aetherial energies involved with the worship of these figures. Are they just demons pretending to be these ancestors? Or, are these gods aeons and archons who came down to guide mankind in one way or the other?

 No.39337

It's up to interpretation really. Like Thor for example, some see him as animism, others see him as a prehistorical figure that grew into legends, while others see him as an actual god.

Saturn is a bit more interesting. You should look up the trickster archetype and Enki.


 No.39339

The pantheon of the 12 shitposters.


 No.39340

>>39339

I must know their secrets anon, ya gotta tell me, I'm at the edge of muh seat dawg ;-;


 No.39342

>>39335

My humble opinion is that the ancient pagan gods were aliens. And I think the most ancient civilisations knew this. The sacred vedic texts from India say that there are 400,000 species of humanoids in the universe, and many of them reached our planet. One of the proposed translations for 'Nephilim' is 'those who came here from Orion' (Orion being a constellation); interestingly enough, some researchers have linked Orion to the pyramids of Giza.

If you read the Iliad, or a literal translation of the Bible from Hebrew, it's obvious that the gods are described as flesh-and-blood beings. They got tired from walking long distances, they could be hurt by human weapons, they liked certain smells and not others, they didn't have full control over their 'superpowers'… the main difference between them and us is that they were immortal, and had access to technology that made them invincible.

By the way, the Bible doesn't talk about 'God' as Christians intend him. It talks about many gods (called 'elohim'), one of whom was Yahweh, who was later turned into 'the one true god' by monotheists. To hide this fact, Christians have purposely mistranslated some words. For example, they translate 'elohim' as 'God', despite the fact that it's a plural. Any religion or theory that is based on the popular translation of the Bible is false by definition since it's based on a lie.

It's also true that some gods might have been mortal men who went through a process of deification. One famous example is that of Julius Caesar, who even had a temple dedicated to his worship after his death. However I don't think this can be applied to all gods.

It seems that ancient religion started as something quite explicitly materialistic, and then became more faith-based and spiritualistic about 2500 years ago. Why this change? I don't know. Maybe it was planned by the gods themselves to better control us, or maybe it was just a natural consequence of the fact that they stopped walking among us, leading to superstition and false opinions ('history became legend, legend became myth').


 No.39345

>>39342

I have a lot of trouble accepting the OT as a part of the Christian canon, so I consider Christianity to be monotheistic; but Judaism probably does descend from paganism.

Would you say that aliens come from different planets, or different dimensions? Or both?


 No.39346

>>39345

Also, you gotta tell me if elves exist ;-;


 No.39347

if the ancient alien theory is correct, i wonder what their reaction would be after assessing the state of our societies.

i heard the anunnaki created/modified us to mine gold for them. maybe thats why influential people hoard so much gold, hoping to gain favor with them upon their return.

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 No.39349

>everything to do with cubes is some satanic bullshit

Because real satanists have nothing better to do but put up these cubes everywhere. Honestly, every conspiracy theory based on Christian hysteria can be safely dismissed as superstitious bullshit.


 No.39351

>>39349

I'm not saying they put cubes everywhere,

but they put cubes everywhere.


 No.39353

>>39342

This

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 No.39603

>>39335

So here's the thing OP: You're full of shit.

But read on, because while I'mma call you out, I'm also going to explain myself.

To understand why this is silly, you have to consider the history of these religions. I'm versed in Germanic history so that's what I'll focus on. The people who settled Germanic Europe were called the Proto Indo Europeans. They came during a period of migration from the Indus River Valley. They brought with them their religious ideas, of course, but even theirs were ultimately inherited from those who came before them. The Indus RIver Valley civilization is what it is because of a coordinated agricultural effort. Today that may sound like a silly thing, but in their time, this was entirely revolutionary. It changed EVERYTHING about how people lived.

You see, previously, their ancestors had been closer to hunter gatherers. They were entirely at the mercy of the elements and society hadn't yet coalesced in a way you and I would really recognize. Because of this, there wasn't that coming togethe rof minds thing that leads to technological advancement yet. They were of the natural world, and they personified natural phenomena (The gods revealed themselves this way) in a general sense. To them, there wasn't a god of the river or a god of the wind. The river WAS the god, the wind WAS the god.

Fast forward to the Indus RIver Valley and there is considerably better shelter, and far better provisions because labor had become coordinated under agricultural purposes. To them, the elements were considerably less firghtening, though they were still at the mercy of things like droughts and water shortages, disease and soil wasting (Fertility issues). In their time, these gods became more anthropocentric. They retained some of the ancestors' ideas about them, but we're at a point by IRV civilizations that people no longer see the natural force as the god itself, rather they see it as an aspect or a tool of the god.

Now, moving ahead again to the Proto Indo European migrants, various groups settles in various parts of Europe. If you study the civilizations to the east of the Rhine, you see lots of commonalities in linguistics, religious figures and concepts, and cultural artifacts from the pre-Christian era. Europe was tremendously fertile, which is why it became the seat of semi global empires! Technological progress was comparatively rapid for them and as each civilization became more advance and more distinct from each other, these gods took on the flavors of the local culture. They became almost divorced from the ideas of their long lost ancestors' wind and river gods (though nature spirits of various sorts did still play a central role in their daily religious practices, in most cases more so than the gods did!).

So, you see, you're doing it backwards. The gods of pre-Christian Europe did not start out as people at all. They started out as a recognition of divinity in the natural world. European Paganism in general does not see the spritual as distinct from the natural the way Abrahamic religions do.

Whether you think this is how the gods revealed themselves, or maybe the ancients just didn't understand the complex world they found themselves in is up to you to decide. (I obviously hold to the former) But by all means, actually take the time to learn about this from academic sources. Pagan revivalism ill needs another perversion of its already devastated folkways with silly conspiracy theories that divorce the topic from its natural roots. We've already got /pol/tards glomming onto Germanic paganism for nativist reasons, and lazy new age teenagers practicing bastardized forms of celtic religions they cherry picked to pieces trying to appropriate Germanic tropes. Have a little respect.


 No.39607

>>39337

> some see him as animism

There is NO ONE in the pre-christian era who didn't. Although the way you use that word suggests you don't understand what it means. Thor is not animism. Animism, in general, is a concept where all creation is viewed as being inherently linked, that all things contain some measure of animate nature. You could think of it as being like varying degrees of being alive. I always recommend people go to the Norse Mythology for Smart People website and read his article on animism. It is an excellent primer on the topic that is far easier to understand and worded with far greater elegance than I can muster. Without a solid grasp of this idea, you don't understand ANYTHING about pre-christian Europe. You grew up in monotheistic, individualist culture. The post-christian mindset is vastly different from the pre-christian one and thus our frame of reference is entirely inadequate for handling this topic without being well educated about what animism is.

>See him as a prehistoric figure

There's no debating this. We have some scant records of Thor worship going back well before the era of "Norse Mythology". He, and many other gods of the Norse pantheon, are all over Europe east of the Rhine. Understand that we look at ancient Germanic Europe through the lens of Norse Mythology because that body of literature is the best preserved example of Greater Germanic religions that still exists. It is specific to the Norse, but also a reflection of what came before it in central "Germania". (This was before the ROman concept of Germania of course, it's just a convenient term to give you some locational information without having to launch into a super boring lecture about tribal borders in ancient Europe)

From a strictly religious reference, many of us revivalists actually view the late Norse variant of the greater Germanic folkway as being perverted. They were doing things with the mythos that was very out of synch with the history of the religion. It is very likely they split the goddess Freyja into two deity, for example (Freyja and Frigg). Some of us believe that is why the gods went quiet and allowed Christianity to pervert the minds of the people.

Norse mythology, and the people who recorded it after the fact, is a mixed blessing.


 No.39629

>>39349

Thats right goy, it is just a conspiracy theory


 No.45123

I am spooked


 No.45136

>>39349

>Cultists have better things to do than carry out rituals

>t.brainlet who can't into the definition of cult


 No.45356

>>39335

>that many of the pagan gods (such as Thor, Odin, Saturn, Uranus, etc.) as having been mortal men of the Neolithic era that came to be worshipped as venerable ancestors.

This wouldn't be weird at all, even if you're a pagan yourself. Paganism is basically ancestor worship.

Also, remember that guys like Augustus or Caesar were considered gods after their deaths.

> If this is true, then how does one explain the esoteric significance of the cult of Saturn (both his general and inverted form), as well as all the aetherial energies involved with the worship of these figures.

Perharps there's no aetherial energy. Or may there is. Who knows? Ancestor worship makes more sense in my point of view than worshipping any other divinity


 No.45358

>>39603

>They came during a period of migration from the Indus River Valley. They

No. There's no way.

>So, you see, you're doing it backwards. The gods of pre-Christian Europe did not start out as people at all.

Some did, some didn't.




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