/x/ - Paranormal

>>32850

Jesus christ, check the catalog. There are already threads about this.

>>32870

Where?

>>32878

See:

>>32429

>>32557

>>28052

>>16535

>>32884

All about specific shit

This was made as a general of sorts, a compilation of info.

>>32886

How many antediluvian civilisations do you know? There's Atlantis and Lemuria, and that's it.

First, let's look at today and what's happening.

We are reliant on carbon based energy sources (Oil, coal, natural gas). It is a finite supply, yet we depend on it and use it more and more, faster and faster. As the supply dwindles, fighting will break out to protect and seize supplies of it to feed our energy hunger. (This has already started to happen) The wars will get worse and more frequent, and they will escalate to a scale that will quite probably create global catastrophes (Nuclear winter). When this happens, most of our so-called civilization will perish. Only scattered small groups of people will survive, and they and their offspring will be too busy trying to scratch out a living from the ground to be bothered with reading, writing, and arithmetic. The entire world as we know it today, will be forgotten or pass into legends, with perhaps only a few shadows of it remaining after the war-caused ice-age ends. Perhaps things like Mount Rushmore would survive.

Now, let's extrapolate what we know about our present to the past…

Let's postulate that 10's of thousands of years ago there was another human civilization on this planet. They had a different energy source. One that was abundant and close to the surface, easy to get at, so they never used carbon based fuels. They were highly advanced and responsible for all of the huge stone structures that baffle our archeologists today and so much more.

Alas, their energy source eventually dwindled, but instead of looking for other sources, they fought over the few scraps of the usual stuff, the fighting got worse, the wars ravaged the land and the populace. It became so destructive that it destroyed their entire civilization and helped to bring on the ice-age that had just recently ended on our time scale (10,000BC). Glaciers, sand, and time would erase everything they had built and left behind. All that remained of their once glorious world were a few scraps and shadows, buried and protected beneath the sands of time and deserts, and a scattering of small groups of people too busy with survival to worry about reading, writing, and arithmetic, and a few stories told around fires at night about how great the world used to be.

Those stone megaliths haven't been there for thousands of years. They've been there for ten's of thousands of years.

Given how quickly civilizations were built up all around the world after the end of the Ice Age, it raises the question of why humanity did not build civilizations during the Eemian period, the last large interglacial 131-114kya. That is seventeen thousand years in which a civilization could have arisen and then been erased by over a hundred thousand years of weathering. We've gotten this far in twelve thousand. So far there is little evidence that we made it past stonework and baskets back then.

We may have needed to evolve better intelligence. That assumption puts the best candidate for a prehistoric civilization in the Bolling-Allerod Interglacial from 14,500 to 12,500 years ago. That provided a brief 2,000 years in which to build something before the ice set in again with the Younger Dryas, which may have been caused by a meteor strike. That's not really enough time to get off the ground, and then the flooding in Meltwater Pulse 1b at the end of the Dryas would have sunk every coastal city and set back any emerging civilization.

>>33605

There was probably an atomic war in ancient times, but it wasn't fought by humans. The only ones who had such weapons were the 'gods'. I remember reading that a Roman historian had reported on a battle in the skies between the gods of the West and those of the East. And there was that battle that happened over the sky of a German town in the 17th century. We don't own this world, they do.

>Those stone megaliths haven't been there for thousands of years. They've been there for ten's of thousands of years.

What megaliths are we talking about? Megalith means 'big stone', so 'stone megaliths' is pleonastic.

>>33616

I agree with ancient nuclear war hypothesis. That Indian ancient city that is still irradiated and was traced back 8000 years plus Is weird. The nuclear war on mars is also a good one but a bit far fetched.

>>33616

good with definitions, huh?

Can you say, "pedantic?"

I love how some people focus on ONE WORD out of a short postulate (Do you know what THAT word means?) instead of the entire hypothesis.

And by the way, I hope you do know the difference between a hypothesis and a theory.

>>33614

The real question is that blind spot we seem to have in believing that OUR civilization is the only human civilization. Cities have been found underwater and buried under sand drifts, dating back much more than 12,000 years ago, yet everyone seems to STILL believe that Mesopotamia is where it ALL began 6,000 years ago.

(BTW, for our lexicographer, The Sphinx is now believed to be Much, much older than previously thought. Some say 14 to 20,000 years)

Hominid fossils have been found pushing our ancestors WAY back before archeologists had ever believed.

So what is so difficult in believing that an earlier HUMAN civilization did develop, was advanced, imploded on itself, and time simply erased it, leaving only a few pebbles behind

>>33635

You should read Michael Cremo's book 'Forbidden Archaeology', he talks about the existence of humans many millions of years ago, using actual archaeological discoveries. Or watch to some of his lectures on Youtube (warning: he talks very slowly).

>So what is so difficult in believing that an earlier HUMAN civilization did develop, was advanced, imploded on itself, and time simply erased it, leaving only a few pebbles behind

Why would it leave only a few pebbles behind? I'd expect stone buildings and cities, statues, plastic junk, etc. Why do we have dozens of 'Venuses' (you know, those little sculptures of fat women) and nothing like the David of Michelangelo?

>>33635

>The Sphinx is now believed to be Much, much older than previously thought. Some say 14 to 20,000 years

That wouldn't surprise me if it was true. Egypt was part of the Atlantean empire that went from the Americas to Europe. Some people consider Tiwanaku to be about that old too.

>yet everyone seems to STILL believe that Mesopotamia is where it ALL began 6,000 years ago.

Nobody believes that, except maybe some religious fundamentalists. The existence of villages dating back to the neolithic is an accepted fact in the archaeological community. The reason people say that 'history begins at Sumer' is mainly because that's as far back in time as the written record goes.

>>33641

Many of those things HAVE been found, but…

Glaciers wipe out, grind away, whatever is beneath them, esp 2-3 mile thick glaciers that travel close to what we call the tropics today in both hemispheres. Since oil wasn't used, no plastics to last thousands of years. Most metals corrode and rust, sand on strong winds over time tears apart or buries everything, even stone. Only ruins, shadows of a great past are left behind, pebbles, damaged remains of cities and temples, like Puma Punka. Imagine what lies out there in the Sahara under all of that sand or in the southwestern USA, or the rain forests of South America. The pyramids and the sphinx were buried, and all of that desert was verdant green before the glaciers retreated and it all became desert again, and the winds exposed a few things. Underwater temples and citadels have been found off of Japan and on the Islands of Indonesia, and many cities lie under the Mediterranean sea .

Pebbles are all that remain of what we have found so far. Gobeckli Tempai (sp?) had been buried, and how many others are out there to really screw with scholars' heads.

Afterwards, if anyone at that time had come to the recent ruins of one of those cities, they would probably have scavenged for anything of any use to help with their survival, gutting any standing buildings. (Stonehenge stones were knocked over and broken up for building materials.) It has been put forward that the great pyramid had been filled with things that fit into regular sockets, but whatever was in those sockets has long been removed. Think like the scavengers in the movie, 'The Book of Eli'. If they had come across a factory or power plant, they wouldn't know what it was for, but they could certainly find a use for a lot of the stuff inside of it to help them survive, and it would be emptied to a shell, just like the pyramid.

Eventually, time, weather, climatic upheavals, and sprawling nature reduces everything back to its original state, chaos. That's entropy for you. The great equalizer (Or neutralizer, if you prefer.)

Expecting delicate artwork to survive the millennium? Only if it was stone and buried.

>>32850

one thing i always thought was coal are all the stories about people finding objects in coal that is old as fuck.

>>33737

only fossils from the Carboniferous Era, and that predates a LOT of life on Earth.

>>33734

On thd first picture sign and brain pattern have almost nothing in common. It is way too far stretched. Using Occam's blade i believe, that it is what its looks like - stylized eye with makeup. It's even more stretched, since human brain have a lot of focus on detecting and recognizing eye patterns.

>>33794

That is the eye of Horus