cdb1ea No.16863849
How are you suppose to get the most out of this game?
I keep hearing about all the experimentation you can do and how much depth the game has. It sounds right up my alley but the game is like a brick wall to get into. I had an easier time getting into Dwarf Fortress. It seems like the only way to play is exploiting the broken character creation system (making yourself vulnerable to a ton of shit then immune to magic to cancel it out and give you a ton of points to play with) or you have no chance.
I'm also seeing hints it might not have much room for experimenting with your build as people suggest. Stealing or Thieving for example is a completely useless skill because it can be completely circumvented by breaking into shops at night and being able to steal with no skill check. I think whats keeping me out is I'm afraid it'll have the problem Morrowind has, where you end up becoming a god pretty quickly and nothing in your build really matters.
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1e6db6 No.16863892
I played it out on DOSBox years ago. The Unity remaster is fairly well getting there for feature complete although it's sitting a something like 0.10.x in versiononing.
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8b48f0 No.16863918
Why not just play Skyrim? It looks much better and has more features. You can even climb mountains.
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7ab1ce No.16863931
Reminder that Arena is the best game in the best game in the series.
Arena > Morrowind > Daggerfall > Redguard > Battlespire > Oblivion > Skyrim > Online
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fcb049 No.16863932
I played this game for the first time when I was like 11, I don't see how it's all that tough to get into.
> I think whats keeping me out is I'm afraid it'll have the problem Morrowind has, where you end up becoming a god pretty quickly and nothing in your build really matters.
This is a problem, you get some insane spells pretty early on that would be high-tier end game stuff in the other TES games. For as much as people shit on Skyrim, its weapon and spell balance was actually quite fair. You don't start seeing high-end items until a dozen hours in, in Daggerfall you can find a Daedric sword within 150 minutes of starting a character.
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fcb049 No.16863933
>>16863931
Nigga what
It's literally a less advanced version of Daggerfall
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c2bc54 No.16863939
Play Daggerfall Unity. It has mod support. Then mod it. Vanilla sucks. Unity is the way to go these days.
My favourite mods are
- Tedious Travel - https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1293
- Mountains and Hills - https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1008
Tedious travel replaces the "Oblivion-style" instant teleportantion fast travel with real-time travel. You ride your horse from place A to B but at Sanic speed and you can stop to normal mode at any time if you see something interesting. Mountains and Hills obviously makes the landscape more interesting. Then get some enemy spawn and quest mods to make the travel even more interesting.
- Warm Ashes Enemy Spawn Mod - https://www.nexusmods.com/daggerfallunity/mods/6
- Quest Pack - https://www.nexusmods.com/daggerfallunity/mods/2
I don't like vanilla daggerfall, but with these mods most of the things I have an issue with gets fixed. So I consider these the "bare minimum" when it comes to modding.
It is true that a lot of the skills like all those language skills are pretty undeveloped in the vanilla daggerfall. There's a mod that makes such a "high int build" a bit more interesting by adding an Archeologist Guild.
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?t=888
It basically turns the dungeon crawling into an "Indiana Jones" type of experience. Well, not really, but something like that. You get the idea.
If you're gonna go some fun build then you should just skip everything and run out of the "tutorial" dungeon instead of trying to clear it or something. Maybe even skip it with some mod or whatever.
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4ff1cf No.16863941
Huge Morrowind Fan Excited To Play It For The First Time
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7ab1ce No.16863946
>>16863933
More advanced in some ways and featured all of Tamriel, plus the dungeons were less annoying since they weren't fully 3D. Also had less bugs.
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c2bc54 No.16863948
>>16863939
Oh and if you're new, when the game is asking your character's background, just choose the answer that gives you an ebony dagger. With it at least you can hit all the enemies you encounter in the early game.
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1e6db6 No.16863985
>>16863933
That fag constantly shitposts about Arena.
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294d0f No.16864373
>>16863948
Hindsight like this is the reason why old RPGs like these are hard to put into context correctly. Was the player with no information supposed to run into monsters he couldn't handle, or was that a design oversight? Most likely it was intentional, but the devs misunderstood how much players would hate being in that situation. Was the background that circumvents that problem an intended tradeoff (hitting any early enemy but losing other background bonuses) that just became too important to the meta, or was it just a thing some dev threw in without understanding how it reacted on the dynamic of early-game monsters that couldn't be hit? I frankly find these kinds of questions fascinating, but they're basically impossible to answer and, at the end of the day, not worth the research it would take to answer in any satisfying way.
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937c81 No.16864394
Why would you want to play a decrepit old game like Daggerfall anyways? Everyone knows the only cool Elder Scrolls title anyone who's anyone plays is The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. Why, it was released all the way back in 2011 and still holds up with the newest version called The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition!
Not to mention you can always easily pick-up some handy new mods from the Creation Club for a modest sum, some of which actually goes to the mod artists! Isn't that something?
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b9c11d No.16864398
>>16864373
I remember reading a thing where the imp at the beginning was a form of copy protection. If you didn't have and read the manual saying there was a strong monster you shouldn't fight behind that one door at the start you would not have a good time.
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097b2e No.16864400
>>16864394
>Skyrim is 9 years old now
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75d6b4 No.16864411
>>16864398
Sounds like bullshit, that imp wasn't even very strong. I could kill it without the ebony dagger by just using a basic bitch warrior build. With a dagger it's a breeze no matter who you are. I think the bear in the dungeon was more deadly.
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01c7f9 No.16864413
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e364ad No.16864415
>>16864400
>dovahkiin is in school
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a9d965 No.16864418
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16863849
I built a standard character in Morrowind ages ago and got through the early game quite well. Had to reload a few saves to beat some of the tougher enemies.
Is there any decent documentation on the finer aspects character creation? I've heard you can do some crazy shit like vampire builds and such.
I'm also waiting on the Unity port of Arena so I can give that a go without tearing my hair out over the ass backwards controls and still unpatched bugs.
>>16863939
Speaking of DFU, I wonder if anyone has the autism to port the other provinces to the game? That would certainly be a sight to behold.
Any other recommended mods?
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84714a No.16864432
>>16863939
how do mods even work with unity? assetbundles?
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54f750 No.16864455
It's a game that's notable only historically. The dungeons are illogical and senslessly hard, and nothing outside the dungeons is really interesting (it may have been interesting back then).
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ec6af1 No.16864463
>>16864455
It'd only be "historically notable" if anything had even tried half the crap its doing in the end.
Its a game gimped by aiming ridiculously high, but its a showing of a lot that basically nothing else has.
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a632c8 No.16864484
>>16864432
there's an application called something like Unity Mod Tool
it's program-specific, having settings for individual games. You set it, run the patcher, and load mod packages (zip files) into the menu
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75f2d3 No.16864507
>>16863939
Neat, thanks for the recommendations. Are there any other mods that caught your eye?
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c0b735 No.16864886
>>16864418
>Is there any decent documentation on the finer aspects character creation? I've heard you can do some crazy shit like vampire builds and such.
That's what I'm asking. Everyone talks about all the shit you can do and how much Morrowind watered the series down. Then everytime I look at character creation it's always "Abuse all of this but NEVER EVER USE THIS". I've heard of meme builds but no one talks about how to make your own meme build that actually works. I wish I asked this question when Daggerfall generals where still a thing.
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c2bc54 No.16865003
>>16864418
>>16864507
If you like fancy graphics, check out D.R.E.A.M. Looks neat but not my thing. There should be some videos on youtube if you're curious to see how it looks.
The only mods I use apart from the ones I mentioned in my previous post are just some minor tweaks like enhanced skybox, click bed to sleep etc that I mostly added just to test them out.
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c0b735 No.16865062
>>16865003
I honestly prefer the one on the left.
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e72642 No.16865068
>>16865062
Because the one on the left is more aesthetically pleasing even though it is lower resolution.
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c0b735 No.16865084
>>16865068
It really is. It has that old school DOS 3d graphics. Like dungeon keeper. A lot of these early 3d games have a weird quality to them kinda like claymation. While that highres one does something I absolutely hate, which is jack up the resolution to a point where it doesn't fit the polycount and slap an ugly bump map on it with overly dark shadows that make no sense. The Dark Mod was an entire game with this shit and it was straight up unplayable for me.
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c0b735 No.16865087
>>16865084
Although that screenshot really doesn't do a good job showing how good dungeon keeper can look and I currently don't have it installed.
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294d0f No.16865091
>>16865003
I don't know why they show off the shading from the torch in the new image. It doesn't look good. It looks like someone's learning how to program 3D graphics and wanted to show off an effect they got working. Perhaps that's exactly what it is and they'll tone it down later in development. The floor and ceiling don't look nearly as bad, but putting fancy graphics on the same old blocky map designs isn't going to improve things all that much. Also, the game will still have the same low-resolution 2D sprites for things like people, so unless they redo all of those as well it'll look terrible anyhow. Maybe that's their plan.
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9aa99d No.16865248
>>16864484
so it mods the files directly? with the unity version being open source didn't expect you'd have to mess around like that, only know it from unity stuff that's closed like honey select
>>16865091
>putting fancy graphics on the same old blocky map designs isn't going to improve things all that much. Also, the game will still have the same low-resolution 2D sprites for things like people, so unless they redo all of those as well it'll look terrible anyhow.
reminds me of those 4k minecraft texture packs.
textures alone simply don't make an environment, if you go hd you also need the detail like foliage and debris to make it look appropriate.
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1e6db6 No.16865832
>>16864432
How they're installed? DFU has a Mods folder in [install directory]\DaggerfallUnity_Data\StreamingAssets\ where you dump .dfmod files.
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294d0f No.16865889
>>16865832
>>16864432
That sounds like DFU itself implements modding hooks or whatever you'd want to call it by looking for and doing stuff with those dfmod files. In general, though, I imagine that modding a Unity game would require unbundling the asset files and doing stuff with them, which is probably what that UnityModTool does for you. I mean, I have no idea what I'm talking about, but textures, audio, and what look like sprite behaviors and shit are stored in asset bundles. I'm guessing that at least those are easy to change like how >>16864484 describes doing. But as for actually changing code for meaningful mods? I have no idea at all how Unity works there.
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b43d0a No.16866480
>>16865248
>so it mods the files directly? with the unity version being open source didn't expect you'd have to mess around like that, only know it from unity stuff that's closed
Daggerfall Unity being "open source" does not really mean much, the engine itself (Unity 3D) is proprietary. That's why choosing Unity for a retarded idea, but I guess when the alternative is waiting for DaggerXL (fat chance) it's still better than nothing.
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358dbb No.16866500
>>16866480
>DaggerXL
Did that guy die or something?
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6af7ce No.16866778
>>16863939
>Tedious Travel
Despite the name, it actually sounds kind of neat. It speeds up the boring part, but you still face the consequences of walking non-stop for eight hours.
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e72642 No.16866797
>>16863939
>Tedious travel replaces the "Oblivion-style" instant teleportantion fast travel with real-time travel.
Daggerfall fast travel is more Morrowind style than Oblivion style though. In Oblivion there are no consequences for warping everywhere, while in Daggerfall and Morrowind it costs you money. Plus since all the quests in Daggerfall are timed it costs you time too.
Walking everywhere in Daggerfall is as silly as refusing to use the silt strider or mages guild teleport in Morrowind.
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1e6db6 No.16866807
>>16865889
Right, thought that anon was just referring to DFU specifically earlier. A quick read over this page points to it being AssBundles.
https://www.dfworkshop.net/projects/daggerfall-unity/modding/
>>16866500
>update blog 404s
>forum full of spam
It's dead, Jim. I forget what the story was but I thought something came out about them doing it for resume work and dumping it after.
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3cbeba No.16869307
What is up with CPU usage going mental when opening a book? Has to be the font renderer, I have Vsync on so it's not like it's going crazy pushing a ton of frames.
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c2bc54 No.16875357
>>16866778
Yes, it's brilliant. I wouldn't play Daggerfall without it. What's great with it is that there are some places in daggerfall that are not market on the map by default. You can randomly come across an Orc Fort and stuff like that in your travels. It also works really well with mods like Warm Ashes that add more random encounters to the game.
Regardless of the mods we have right now, the "overworld" of daggerfall is still not really all that exciting imo. I see huge potential though. I think some people are even developing some "tailor-made" content for this game on some irrelevant "small island" that's still like 3 times the size of Skyrim. Considering how Daggerfall is the size of Great Britain, there's more than enough real estate for mods like that.
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