3fb973 No.16860443[Last 50 Posts]
Seeing the discussion made in regards to Wanted made me wonder what happened to "pure" third-person shooters. It seems like most games have gone down the path of either being cover-based or turned into action adventure titles. OR they go down the path of being a "hybrid" where the shooting is just another game mechanic.
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4db394 No.16860457
The success of RE4 ruined more than survival horror games.
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ec48a8 No.16860459
>>16860457
unrelated but you know the guy behind that comic draws hardcore furry fetish porn now
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4db394 No.16860461
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d95bc3 No.16860465
>>16860459
Its not kuroodod was it?
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0035d3 No.16860470
not related to this thread but anyone have that image guide to Stalker games? i am having trouble finding an English installation today
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cebbb9 No.16860480
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bdcde9 No.16860492
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0035d3 No.16860494
>>16860492
i was actually looking this image but thanks i guess
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e303ef No.16860512
To be honest till RE2 Remake and Control I legit thought TPS were dead as a genre, I feel like the failure's of ME3, Dead Space 3, Gears's lackluster follow ups killed TPS pretty badly.
>>16860459
>unrelated but you know the guy behind that comic draws hardcore furry fetish porn now
Anon why did you feel the need to regal us with this?
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e6974f No.16860525
>>16860443
Max Payne 3 and GTAIV remains unbeaten
>>16860459
ok furry
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bd5a9f No.16860532
>>16860525
>Max Payne 3
>GTAIV
>Unbeaten
>Good
What a fucking nigger, please off yourself
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4db394 No.16860536
>>16860525
>Max Payne 3
>unbeaten
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f2a02c No.16860551
>>16860512
Apparently there are still people who once read his comic that didn't realize he'd stepped off that cliff, even though he did it like two years ago in the open. It was surprising to me, for one, just because not hearing about it kinda made me reflect on how irrelevant webcomics in general have become.
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d95bc3 No.16860555
>>16860551
Speaking of webcomics, here's two obscure gems that'll never age
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f2a02c No.16860571
But to actually try and contribute something to the thread: I don't think I've ever actually played a third person shooter. I've played Max Payne, RE4, the first Mass Effect, the first Dead Space, and the Division, but I don't think any of those count. All I can imagine about the genre as it seems to normally exist is that it'd be miserable trying to play them on a controller, but then again I hate using fiddly-ass thumbsticks for camera controls. I haven't used any kind of joystick to play any kind of shooter since I was a very dumb young person trying to play Quake without a mouse for shits.
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4db394 No.16860580
>>16860571
How the fuck is Max Payne not a third person shooter?
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f2a02c No.16860585
>>16860580
Man, I don't know. That was what I was gathering from the thread. I figured it had something to do with the bullet time gimmick.
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5b0b29 No.16860616
>>16860585
How did you find this board?
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54a034 No.16860617
>>16860443
Is Lost Planet any good?
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e6974f No.16860634
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>>16860536
>>16860532
>wanting enemy ai to be bullet sponges instead of ragdolls
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cb7d55 No.16860742
Most third person shooters were either action-platformers, ripping off GTA, or built off the framework of FPS games but in third person. Action-platformers became cinematic experiences, GTA got too expensive to rip off, and actual FPS overshadowed the TPS. That's just how things turned out.
>>16860634
>bringing the rocket launcher all the way into the elevator ambush
very cheeky
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5b0b29 No.16860765
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>>16860634
>I have never played Max Payne 2 or Vanquish
>Taking control out of your hands 5 in 5 minutes is fine
>Shit level design
>Cover shooting mechanics which are not avoidable
>Rockstar shit tier writing, "social critique" and "humour"
>Shotguns are all shit and weapon accuracy in general sucks massive dick
>No tone
<But muh pistol headshot point and click garbage fire of a game
You're a retard, Max Payne 3 was a shitty GTAV tech demo and Rockstar themselves admitted it.
Fuck out of here with that trash
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cb7d55 No.16860786
>>16860765
Max Payne 2 fucking sucked. The original is the only truly good one.
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c5a205 No.16860805
>>16860765
>Shit level design
It's about shooting, not platforming or fucking around. There's still plenty of fun environments like when you fight through a killhouse and emerge on the wrong side of a shooting range
>Cover shooting mechanics which are not avoidable
The only time you actually need to shoot from cover is the end of the bus level. In every other scenario shootdodging is far superior. It's a crutch for console players
>Shotguns are all shit and weapon accuracy in general sucks massive dick
One pellet is all it takes to kill regardless of range. It's literally the polar opposite of your average videogame shotgun where pellets disappear past ten feet.
<weapon inaccuracy when your cursor is a perfect dot and every bullet is laser-accurate
Are you high?
>no tone
The hyper-detailed depiction of sau paulo oozes neo-noir atmosphere and the soundtrack is fucking amazing. You can't play the airport sequence and tell me it has no tone.
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fcf262 No.16860808
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35693a No.16860862
The newest TPS I'd played was Control by Remedy. It's a regular, coverless TPS but with telekenetic powers. You can dash, throw shit around, form a shield around you and fly. I found two major flaws with the game and I've never finished it because of that.
>Fights are not scripted, the game is some sort of metroidvania-lite which means certain rooms will spawn enemies randomly. This means none of the fights outside of the bosses(which were mediocre, especially the that thing that inhabits the altered items) feels like they were design, just slapped together.
>The game needed more movement interactions. You can dash into rails, but then you have to stop, wait for the dash animation to end, then start the rail jumping animation. Just little things like that that made me feel like the game part of the game wasn't so much thought out as the story part, because that part was pretty interesting.
>Whatshername courtney's voice is chalk on whiteboard to listen to and I would really rather have had Jeffery Whatshisname's character be the main character, or even the indian janitor if just to listen to a decent VA.
>>16860786
MP2's biggest flaw is how strong and abundant slow motion is, combined with how you can one hit kill anything with a headshot.
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ae6e03 No.16860864
Lost planet (to me) felt like it had a lot of potential, but I think it was held back by capcom.
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35693a No.16860866
Oh yeah I wanted to ask, how are
>Dark Void
>Recore
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482590 No.16860867
>It seems like most games have gone down the path of either being cover-based or turned into action adventure titles
Way I see it is: modern players like their games as cookie-cutter as possible. I don't think RE4 singled handedly ruined TPS but it certainly contributed, I think the main responsible was Gears Of War. Since that game came out it seems nobody would play an TPS that doesn't play like that. In the same way most people won't play an fps that doesn't play like Modern Warfare.
People just don't want to learn new mechanics and get used to different gameplay styles because gameplay has become secondary to plot, that's why garbage like Uncharted gets so much praise. Why would someone play that retarded shit and not just watch a movie is beyond me, but people do.
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e303ef No.16860870
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5b0b29 No.16860872
>>16860786
>It sucked
Why?
Some fags keep saying this and yet give out no arguments.
>>16860805
>It's about shooting
And the sandboxes where you shoot are fucking shit and no different than a rollercoaster ride where you're set up to shoot enemies in a linear fashion
>The only time you actually need to shoot from cover is the end of the bus level
I guess that's why the devs set you up against cover each time and in the higher difficulties its near impossible to get enough slow motion from kills to go full no cover
>One pellet is all it takes to kill
The hell are you on about?
>You can't play the airport sequence and tell me it has no tone.
It has no tone, closest it gets is Brazilian Die Hard
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35693a No.16860873
>>16860867
I get an aneurysm whenever a vidya or non-vidya channel talks about TPSs and the first game that ever comes to mind is the fucking uncharted series. Credit where its due, the games let you use cover off of everything including hanging ledges and whatnot not to mention Infamous did it much better but otherwise there is not a single redeemable thing about the series gameplay wise. I didn't care much about the characters or story or the EPIC SCRIPTED MOMEMENTS SO COOL BRO™ to form an opinion.
>>16860872
Guess he didn't like the way the show started.
>It has no tone, closest it gets is Brazilian Die Hard
I'd say it was very similar to Man on Fire.
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e303ef No.16860875
>>16860873
>Man on Fire.
Great book
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cb7d55 No.16860904
>>16860862
Worse, Max moves at almost normal speed in slow motion. It isn't bullet time anymore, Max Payne is now a superhero that moves twice as fast as the rest of the world. Breaks the flow and is retarded.
>>16860872
>Why?
The plot is a retarded mess that reuses every character from Max Payne 1 in an incredibly lazy way and barely includes any new ones. Mona Sax is now a token love interest. Vinny Gogniti has gone from two-bit thug to guy who can afford a fancy apartment and a big cosplay suit so he can be terrible comic relief for a shitty escort section. Vlad is now a ridiculous white-haired villain with a contrived backstory involving alfred woden instead of a somewhat theatrical mobster. There's no variety in locations, with a huge chunk of the levels taking place in a bland construction site, ragnarok, or the funhouse. With such a tiny cast and so few locations it takes New York, a massive metropolis, and makes it feel small as hell.
There's barely any new weapons. The game's way fucking easier. You have more health, you have way more bullet time and bullet time is way more overpowered. The fancy reloads and flips you do in bullet time is fucking retarded. The AI is fucking retarded and blows itself up with grenades constantly. The cleaners aren't nearly as fun as the goons in the first game.
Even if you disagree with any of my points, Remedy themselves seem dissatisfied with Max Payne 2. Alan Wake breaks the fourth wall multiple times to talk about Max Payne 2 In the insane asylum a crazed game developer complains about the increased marketing focus on bullet time and all the spinny reloady shit, and later on a dying farmer has a very pointed line about his (possessed) friend betraying him like something out of a bad sequel. They know they fucked up.
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5b0b29 No.16860916
>>16860904
>Shitting on a good game by using a shittier game
Funny
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b238fc No.16860918
>>16860443
>Not posting the correct image.
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cb7d55 No.16861141
>>16860916
Alan Wake was pretty good, certainly a more cohesive and satisfying experience than Max Payne 2.
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5b0b29 No.16861144
>>16861141
>Alan Wake was pretty good
>Better than Max Payne 2
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cb7d55 No.16861150
>>16861144
You want to respond to any of the arguments I made three posts up or do you want to keep being a faggot? Because if you're gonna do the latter please fuck off back to cuckchan you gay little bitch.
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8145c3 No.16861164
>>16860765
>I have never played Max Payne 2 or Vanquish
Max Payne 2 feels awful compared to 3 and comparing it to Vanquish is like comparing apples and oranges.
>Taking control out of your hands 5 in 5 minutes is fine
I agree but it's not like the original didn't have a comic cutscene around every corner. The only problem is that the game doesn't let you skip them since it's a shit console port.
>Shit level design
Max Payne never had great level design, only good atmosphere and the airport level in 3 is fucking fantastic.
>Cover shooting mechanics which are not avoidable
Only unavoidable if you're shit at video games.
>Rockstar shit tier writing, "social critique" and "humour"
The writing is fine and it's not like 1&2 had fantastic writing, they only had good one liners and 3 still has those.
>Shotguns are all shit and weapon accuracy in general sucks massive dick
Shotguns are great, what are you talking about? They become essential once you start dealing with armored enemies. 3 also has by far the most accurate weapons in the series. 1 and to a lesser extend 2 have XCOM levels of inaccuracy.
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5b0b29 No.16861246
>>16861150
>You want to respond to any of the arguments
It's 90% personal opinion, you're complaining about the game trying to fix dumb trial and error bullshit the first game did and not liking how the characters are developed while still maintaining the tone of the first game with less 4th wall breaks.
The only meaningful criticisms are the AI killing itself, the weapon variety
Rest is nitpicky bullshit or not real
>The cleaners aren't nearly as fun as the goons in the first game
What the fuck does this even mean?
>Vinnie was a two bit thug
He was Lupinos right hand man and wearing a suit, the fuck are you on about?
Vinnie was always comedic relief, I can give it to you that the cosplay shit was too over the top, but it doesn't fuck around with the character at all.
Vlad was barely a character in the first game as well, literally a deus ex machina that had no interest in keeping you alive.
Your shits all retarded
>>16861164
>comparing a TPS to a TPS is like comparing ornages to apples
No it isn't you faggot
>the original didn't have a comic cutscene around every corner
It didn't you dumb fuck, it had them either during the beginning and end or very rarely in the middle.
>Only unavoidable if you're shit at video games.
I guess that's why cockstar interrupts your gameplay to shove you into a corner so you can cover shoot your way out of fights.
Higher difficulties are all about cover shooting and the game was designed around it, same with Vanquish but that's an actual good game.
>The writing is fine and it's not like 1&2 had fantastic writing
And this is how I know you don't know shit about what you're talking about and only played the third game
>3 also has by far the most accurate weapons in the series
Its why they all feel the same
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b115f7 No.16861259
>>16860617
It's okay, it's clunkier than EDF but plays similarly, the PC version has a few issues but here's my main problems with the game
>Prompts, menu including configuration and manuals and controls in general assume you're using controller leading to situations where you don't fucking know what you're doing in VSs you haven't used for a bit
>CE is unstable as fuck and it's hard to find a post steam update pirate of EC CE = colonies edition, EC = extreme condition, differences aren't that big
>DX10 version will make any hardware chug to death in a few spots tested on a 3800X + 1080ti so you're missing a good bit of some of the good VFX design like tasteful usage of object based motion blur and such if you wanna keep it in playable conditions
>Anything having to do with how they handled mouse control, more specifically how they didn't, hope you enjoy having 8 presets for speed
>Final boss drops you in a completely unfamiliar gameplay setting with a bunch of poor design and shit controls inb4 some fucktard defends giving the melee attack a projectile that can damage but not kill the boss while also giving the boss plenty of tools to keep you the fuck away from it while also making it very not obvious your melee is in fact a melee attack even if it has a shit hitbox, bonus point for giving you two distinct melee attacks but making one too shit to use for non obvious reasons
>Everything about the giant snowfield levels, especially on hard and above
>Some weapons are cool but useless, other are useful as fuck but boring as fuck, hope you like the AR because that's what you're gonna use for most of the game
>Thermal energy management is nonexistent on anything below hard, then it becomes absolutely fucking brutal if you don't use cheap tricks to keep it high Protip: you might not be able to kill an unmanned VS but you can still either suicide it via explosive or let enemies kill it while you're riding it for some decent T-eng drop
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5b0b29 No.16861274
>>16861259
>it becomes absolutely fucking brutal if you don't use cheap tricks to keep it high
Best thing about that is almost killing a boss despite lack of Fuel for you VS only to die of lack of thermal energy.
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8ceb86 No.16861441
>>16860866
I'm really curious about re-core (now that I can pirate it). I heard it played like Megaman X with a dash, wallbouncing, and a charge shot. Is it moreso puzzle-based or shooter based is another question I have about the game too.
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35693a No.16861461
>>16861441
I don't really know. Every time I end up asking about the game my post gets ignored
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cc86a8 No.16861481
>>16861259
Fuck I miss lost planet now. I wasn't a big fan of 2 and passed over 3. 3 I heard had a decent enough story but its the gameplay that lost planet was known for.
I don't know why they try to shove these big ass convoluted stories into the LP series. Just have it be you on a team researching them and that involves killing a lot of giant bugs. How is this hard?
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b115f7 No.16861492
>>16861481
>3 I heard had a decent enough story but its the gameplay that lost planet was known for
3 was mediocre but it had a few good moments
Lot closer to RE in gameplay.
Having the game play your music while in the mech was kind of comfy.
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4b4960 No.16861501
>>16860866
>>16861461
Actually was kind of hyped for Dark Void back when it released, I love Jet Packs, so I got the game based on the cover alone.
I enjoyed it, but I never felt the need to actually replay it again. using the Jet Pack is fun, when ever your given enough space you can just jump off the ground, start flying around, and start dog fighting air board enemies, or take out enemies on the ground as if your a jet, but when it comes to ground combat it's still your average cover shooter, so when ever you don't have enough space to use the jet pack, or your not yet equipped with it it's not too impressive, at least this is how I remember the game after years of not playing it…
Capcom also made a 2D Dark Void Zero, I guess to cash in on the hype Bionic Commando Rearmed had around that time. haven't played that one yet.
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1f9a7c No.16861519
>>16860443
I don't see a point except with the ones with acrobatic or physical gimmicks (like Lost Planet or Vanquish, as you listed). Things that can't be done (well) in FPS.
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35693a No.16862502
>>16861519
TPS allows more movement intensive combat. I'd yet to find a game that really pushes simultaneous combat and platforming(to the level of 2D games like say, Mega Man X) but the ones that even attempt to try it(Ratchet, Vanquish, Jak 2, etc) I found incredibly fun.
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7a0c8d No.16862512
>>16861246
>Higher difficulties are all about cover shooting and the game was designed around it, same with Vanquish but that's an actual good game.
<being so shit that you can't beat Vanquish on God Hard without cover
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5b0b29 No.16862528
>>16862512
I did, spamming roll and melee isn't exactly great game design and was obviously not intended to be done.
It's a console shooter
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e301ed No.16863289
>>16860443
It's true, sadly.
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