a55868 No.16843230[Last 50 Posts]
When will it be retro? It's 20 this year.
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67fe2d No.16843235
I think if it's been discontinued long enough for a generation to have grown up and be old enough to vote since said discontinuation, it's definitely retro.
PS2 hasn't been discontinued that long, but it has been out that long.
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7b00e7 No.16843238
>>16843230
It'll be retro when the predominant gamers of the day stop buying games or get senile enough that "retro" stops being a marketing term for games that look like 80s-90s sprite games.
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1e0535 No.16843242
It's kind of hard to define, as Retro could not only refer to explicit age of a system, but also game design habits and trends.
Game design hasn't actually changed all that much on a technical level from that generation, so it's hard to say if the library of the PS2 as a whole is really all that "retro".
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1e0535 No.16843250
>>16843242
Like, think about it, obvious system limitations with aesthetic presentation aside, let's say, Kingdom Hearts came out this year.
Would it be all that out of place?
Something like Dark Cloud?
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616a96 No.16843253
>>16843250
>let's say, Kingdom Hearts came out this year.
>Would it be all that out of place?
>no dlc
>no microtransactions
>no gays
>no trannies
>no politics
Yeah, it'd be out of place.
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1e0535 No.16843254
>>16843253
>Kingdom hearts
>no gay
Also, the no dlc/microtransactions thing is kinda superficial.
Final Mix arguably could be considered dlc, and microtransactions wouldn't really change all that much, Especially considering the Synthesis grinding.
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a5fe46 No.16843270
>>16843250
I would argue that the PS2 was a transition to the gaming, minus the jewish tactics, known today. Gameplay in a lot of games were refined and polished over the PS2's lifespan. Dynasty Warrior went from a fighting on the PS1 to a hack n slash on the PS2. Yakuza 1's combat was pretty bare bones and was polished with Yakuza 2. Of course there are way more examples of this, especially for games that made the transition from PS1 to PS2 or started early in the PS2's lifespan. I think it can be hard to go one way or another because it incorporates some early game design that dates it, but also has plenty of games that incorporate designs you see today.
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5c6935 No.16843273
>>16843230
It became retro the second RCA stopped being the standard display connection. So, 2008. And before someone says "B-but the Wii!" Wii is retro not because of it's RCA connection, but because it's waggle tech has been replaced by VR controller tech.
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7b00e7 No.16843280
>>16843270
You can make the same vapid argument about every console generation.
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a5fe46 No.16843290
>>16843280
PS2->PS3->PS4->PS5 has essentially been slight graphics improvements to the games.
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75a6e5 No.16843348
It will never be ``retro``, but it's already in the realm of ``classic``. The conflation of those terms bothers me. Anyway, hope you've done something to avoid burning out the laser diodes…
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1e0535 No.16843359
>>16843348
Even considering PS2 emulation kind of got kneecapped by Pete dropping off the face of the planet.
Why exactly would you go for an original ps2, that you have to rip isos for to play anyway?
Considering even further beyond that, memory card failure which is somewhat of a present issue, if you're not opting to take the hit for saving directly to the HDD?
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616a96 No.16843362
>>16843348
>It will never be ``retro``
Are you retarded?
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a5fe46 No.16843363
>>16843359
If you already have a PS2, why not use it?
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1e0535 No.16843373
>>16843363
I suppose that's a fair point.
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75a6e5 No.16843377
>>16843359
You can load games onto the HDD over the network, but dumping them from the system itself takes much less time. My PS2 was full of dust and John Madden when I got it from a Goodwill, so I expect it to have a lot of remaining life on the DVD laser diode.
As for using the system itself, it's just reminiscence and nostalgia. Whatever floats your personal watercraft. I don't recommend younger people with no nostalgia for classic hardware get into it, hipsters and the usual reseller cartels have ruined the pricing for people who, you know, want to play video games. It's better to emulate for multiple reasons if you don't already have the equipment.
>>16843362
You might be. Retro is something made to appear to be older, like fifties style diners made in the eighties, or stuff like Blaster Master Zero and Shovel Knight. Classic is stuff that was current or cutting edge when it was new, but is now old enough that hipsters want to emulate it for cool points.
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77d9ae No.16843378
>>16843230
Shut the fuck up
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1e0535 No.16843379
>>16843377
>Classic is stuff that was current or cutting edge when it was new, but is now old enough that hipsters want to emulate it for cool points.
At the risk of sounding retarded, are you trying to insinuate old games (that people care enough to emulate) don't have intrinsic value?
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c7081d No.16843380
>>16843359
>Why exactly would you go for an original ps2, that you have to rip isos for to play anyway?
I still have my tube TV and getting the thing to work with a PC is really finicky.
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75a6e5 No.16843385
>>16843379
I'm defining the terms as bluntly as possible for the purpose of making a clear point. Of course classic hardware should be used. It is the purpose of equipment to be used. It would be like having a 1969 Mustang fastback, and keeping it in a barn under a tarp until the tires rot off.
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616a96 No.16843394
>>16843377
>people don't call old consoles retro consoles
Yep, you're retarded.
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75a6e5 No.16843406
>>16843394
>I'm self conscious because I looked it up, and I was wrong? I shall double down!
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9ca6c3 No.16843410
It's retro, along with the OG Xbox and Gamecube. Anyone who disagrees can fuck off back to >>>/cuckchan/ /vr/
>>16843348
>>16843377
>>16843385
>>16843406
Like this nigger lover here
>Retro is something made to appear to be older, like fifties style diners made in the eighties,
No nigger, that's not what retro means. This need to redefine words is the type of cuckchan faggotry we don't need here. Kill yourself.
>I'm defining the terms as bluntly as possible for the purpose of
Arbitrarily trying to fit your definition of retro because you're boomer faggot who didn't feel the sense of wonder of vidya during the PS2 era because that's when you became a jaded adult. Seriously go back to cuck /vr/ where you belong.
>I'm retarded because I try to change what words mean, and I was wrong? I shall double down!
Ftfy
Also reminder that as dead as it was 8ch /vr/ had its cutoff date to 2003, aka the beginning of the 6th gen. Moreover there was discussion of moving the cutoff upwards as time went on, because "retro" is not some fixed era of gaming like boomerniggers think.
>>16843290
>PS2->PS3->PS4->PS5 has essentially been slight graphics improvements to the games.
More like PS2 was the apex of 3D game development after the PS1. 7th gen was the beginning of stagnation, not the 6th gen.
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75a6e5 No.16843417
>>16843410
Are you pretending to be dense? I'll simplify it.
Mega Man 2 = classic
Mega Man 10 = retro
Shadow Warrior = classic
Ion Maiden/Fury = retro
Quake = classic
Amid Evil = retro
I've yet to see any new "retro" styled games trying to emulate PS2 game aesthetics and polycounts, myself, but the PS2 could be considered classic by many metrics. The PS2 is not a retro system, because it wasn't made to imitate older systems. It was bleeding edge (for console games, at least) when it came out. Now it's been nearly 20 years, which brings it very close to the generally-accepted classic era, if not directly inside of it. Understand yet?
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34a084 No.16843432
>>16843417
You are just redefining terms.
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9ca6c3 No.16843437
>>16843417
Are you trying to be the dumbest nigger alive?
>I've yet to see any new "retro" styled games trying to emulate PS2 game aesthetics and polycounts, myself
That's never been a fucking metric for what retro is, you disingenuous cunt. Moreover as time goes on people who grew up with the PS2 could enter game development and want to make a game that has the look of low-to-mid poly games of that gen, just like we're getting 2.5D "retro" games now. Even then it's not a fucking metric for "retro", it's the console's age that determines that. Again, go back to cuckchan if you want to change language like a marxist faggot.
>The PS2 is not a retro system
It will be old enough to drink next year. It's retro, deal with it.
>cause it wasn't made to imitate older systems. It was bleeding edge (for console games, at least) when it came out.
Nigger did you just start playing games yesterday? Every console ever made was designed to be "bleeding edge", that is at least until the 8th gen and arguably the 7th gen. You're trying to argue a point and you don't even know the history of home console development. That's how objectively retarded you are.
>Now it's been nearly 20 years, which brings it
Into the retro era. If that short circuits your brain, you can go back to cuck/vr/ and placate the faggots there with your posturing non-knowledge about console development so you feel like you fit in.
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75a6e5 No.16843443
>>16843432
Using the original definitions is just undoing the conflation of the terms. Then again, people are stupid enough to keep saying "I could care less" when corrected.
>>16843437
Alright, then you tell me what you think classic means, since apparently in your world, the word doesn't exist.
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616a96 No.16843453
>>16843417
>game that came out in 2019
>retro
>>16843443
classic is typically used for an old work of a certain level of quality that allowed it to withstand a test of time. Doom would be retro and classic, while something like ET would only be retro.
It sounds like you're confusing retro-style, games that try to emulate retro games typically failing and actual retro games.
>>16843437
>Every console ever made was designed to be "bleeding edge"
Well except for that intellivision.
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9ca6c3 No.16843457
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>>16843443
Anything that's old enough after a certain threshold. In consoles' cases, this can be sometime to be 15-20 years after a console's launch. The PS2 passed that already, and is therefore retro/classic/whatever term you like to redefine to placate your retarded brain. Yes, this means that at some point the 7th gen will be retro. Sorry if that triggers you, but time is linear and aging happens because of that. Again, if that triggers you, go back to other shitholes who can't come to grips with shit getting older
>since apparently in your world, the word doesn't exist.
I'm not the one changing how words work dumbass.
>>16843448
>It won't ever be retro because game design hasn't changed since the PS2
You have to back >>>/cuckchan/
>>16843453
>intellivision.
Marketed itself as being more powerful than the 2600 at the time and thus the better "cutting edge" option.
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616a96 No.16843475
>>16843457
I meant that new meme intellivision amico thing.
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9ca6c3 No.16843479
>>16843475
That's just nostalgia hardware similar to the mini systems albeit with "new" games on it as well. Even then, it's not retro in the sense that it's brand new hardware.
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616a96 No.16843490
>>16843479
But most nostalgia hardware just emulates the old games, this seems to actually be about remaking them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0TW1KlIYDA
compare this to something like the nes/snes classic. it doesn't really matter though
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0977b9 No.16843492
>>16843230
Retro is when another generation of meatsacks latches on to it. With remasters coming out regularly I dare say it will never be retro as the old fucks still playing it don't think it is retro and never will. Retro is a term for lazy indie devs and terrible fashion designers.
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9ca6c3 No.16843503
>>16843492
>With remasters coming out regularly I dare say it will never be retro
Not a metric. Remasters are coming out for games even prior to the PS2. If that's the case then no consoles can be considered "retro"
>as the old fucks still playing it don't think it is retro and never will
You mean the old fucks who barely played it because they were grown adults during the 6th gen and started becoming jaded cynical niggers, and thus can't seem to understand there were people younger than them who grew up with the 6th gen.
That's who doesn't want the PS2 or any of the 6th gen to be "retro".
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f68b09 No.16843528
>>16843417
>all those examples
According to the Merriam Webster dictionary he is right. So to all those fags accusing him of redefining terms, you are wrong. Retro means reviving the past(Mega Man 10), while classic is something from the past that is excellent(Mega Man 2).
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0977b9 No.16843535
>>16843503
my first system was an intellivision, I don't consider it retro, but anyone half my age sure does It would be interesting to see if anyone young actually goes back to play the older classics past the PS2 era and thinks it was a better time. I say this because, whether or not you want to admit it, graphicsfags are the majority at least up until the PS3 era.
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9ca6c3 No.16843541
>>16843528
So then "retro" consoles aren't really retro, and are actually "classic". Which the PS2 and 6th gen objectively are.
And then there's his literal nigger brain argument of
>because it wasn't made to imitate older systems. It was bleeding edge (for console games, at least) when it came out
Which makes zero sense.
>>16843535
>It would be interesting to see if anyone young actually goes back to play the older classics past the PS2 era and thinks it was a better time
We're on the cusp of that. And at some point they're going to see the 7th gen systems they grew up with as "retro/classic". I don't like that prospect either, but that's just how time works; shit's going to get old and people will look on whatever they grew up with with rose colored glasses.
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f68b09 No.16843578
>>16843541
>So then "retro" consoles aren't really retro
Well if we go by the Merriam Webster dictionary, consoles such as the Atari 2600 or the SNES are not retro, but classics. Making something like the SNES mini or a console that looks like an Atari 2600 (wood paneling and such) could be considered retro, even if they were made in 2020. The kickstarter for a gameboy "remake" could also be considered retro as it tries to revive the past.
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90c846 No.16843586
Somehow, anything that uses discs isn't "retro" to me. Even the PS1 or Saturn.
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616a96 No.16843587
>>16843528
>muh appeal to authority
People use retro all the time to refer to old consoles, the definition has expanded. Merriam even lists "antique" as the first synonym.
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f68b09 No.16843596
>>16843587
Considering there were accusations of "redefining" terms, I thought it was necessary to use a dictionary to first know what the definitions are. The cambridge dictionary also says the same thing, classic is something that is old and good, while retro is something that is in the style of something from the past.
>muh appeal to authorty
The fallacy does not work when the authority is an expertise on the subject matter. If my doctor told me I had cancer, and that I have to take medicine X to survive, I can't just scream "muh appeal to authority" to him, go do things my way and hope to live longer. Likewise, you can't look into a dictionary for the meaning of a word, and scream "muh appeal to authority", just because you disagree with it.
>the definition has expanded
Until they are placed in respectable dictionaries(not urbandictionary.com or other meme dictionaries), those people are wrong.
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616a96 No.16843621
>>16843596
>The fallacy does not work when the authority is an expertise on the subject matter.
The whole point of the fallacy is to point out that something isn't true just because an expert says it's true. Anyway, my dad works for the dictionary company and said you're wrong.
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f68b09 No.16843637
>>16843621
If that is true I can just as well accuse you of Argumentum ad populum in >>16843587
>People use retro all the time to refer to old consoles
Just because the masses say something is true, does not mean it actually is, and now we will both invoke the fallacy fallacy, in that just because someone uses a fallacy does not mean that the thing he was arguing was false.
Anyway, getting past this red herring, when accusations of redefining terms are invoked, you need to know what the definition of that word was, in which case using a respectable dictionary(Merram or Cambridge) is useful. As such classic means old and good, whereas retro is something new that tries to invoke the past.
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78db1f No.16843641
>>16843235
It was discontinued in 2013.
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616a96 No.16843693
>>16843637
When it comes to languages and definitions what matters is what people use though. Someone can try to force a word to be used a certain way, but if everyone else uses it a different way then the latter is going to be what people associate the word with.
Gay used to mean happy, you're free to go around and tell everyone you're gay but they are not going to think you mean you're happy.
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564614 No.16843767
It's weird, like did any of you consider the N64 retro when the 360 and Wii were released? For some people that generation became retro really early
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90c846 No.16843782
>>16843767
Nah. And I still don't. Even though I said above that consoles using discs don't feel "retro" to me, I really don't consider anything from the 90s as retro.
But maybe others are different. There's that whole retrowave thing in music and the aesthetic is somehow nostalgic about 90s shit. Which to me is like yesterday.
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9ca6c3 No.16843784
>>16843767
I considered it retro around 2011, fifteen years after it launched. 15-20 years should be the adequate threshold for when consoles become retro/classic.
>>16843641
Discontinuation years are fucking retarded because the PS2 was far from the first system to be discontinued a decade plus after its launch. The fucking 2600 had games released for it in 1989, 13 years after its launch and during the same year the Genesis released in north America.
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9ca6c3 No.16843788
>>16843782
>There's that whole retrowave thing in music and the aesthetic is somehow nostalgic about 90s shit.
>music meant to emulate the sounds of 80s new wave/pop
>90s shit
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90c846 No.16843801
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>>16843788
I meant vaporwave. My bad. There's more of a mix of 80s and 90s stuff about it.
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9ca6c3 No.16843810
>>16843801
Hardly anything about Vaporwave sounds remotely like it's from the 90s either.
All current [thing]-wave forms of electronic music meant to emulate lectronic/new wave/pop music from the late 20th century never sound remotely like the music from the decade they try to emulate because the faggots making that music have, at best, a cursory knowledge of actual artists from that time period. Moreover, they actually think it's what people listened to on a regular basis, even though much of it sounds like commercial jingles no one gave a second thought to.
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5b7e9e No.16844332
fuck this thread. look nigger all I know is that red dead revolver is pretty based and you're a faggot if you don't agree so play that shit on original hardware if you can but if not at least emulate it holy shit also this is totally unrelated but 8kun needs a random board so get on that shit somebody.
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2d7b9f No.16844529
weird to believe i was 1 years old when it came out
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563019 No.16844534
PS2 will never be retro. Because from now until we die the millenial generation will be the highest pop generation and thus control these things through a function of collective nostalgia. It's why early 90s cars aren't classic cars, and early 90s music isn't classic music despite being 30 years old now. We're doomed to hold up all the shit millenials liked as kids forever. It's why we're seeing huge box office sonic and pikachu movies today, and why we're not seeing huge 'pokemon' like phenomena sweep the world since then, the millenial generation is like another boomer gen.
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2d7b9f No.16844537
>>16844534
older gen z will be reaching 30 this decade so when will our turn begin?
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563019 No.16844542
>>16844537
>your turn
Haha nope you will never get one. Like gen X will forever be in the shadow of boomers, gen Z will be in the shadow of millenials. Then we'll pass the torch onto whatever generation millenial's kids are.
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2d7b9f No.16844562
>>16844542
yeah but i'll be reaching my 30s this decade and possibly have children, i'm sure companies will do their best to shit out nostalgia grabs of the 2000s like they did last decade with 90s garbage remakes that fluttered the silver screen, i can already feel microsoft making the xbox classic by next year it's easily doable with the tech we have nowadays
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f2978b No.16844579
>>16843230
it will be retro when a decent amount of modern games surpass the quality of what was available
as things stand, I can pick any PS2 game off my shelf and have an experience that will be more fun, play better, and have more content than nearly anything in the same genre made in the last 5 years
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0c94ce No.16844596
when you can download a romset in a day from clearnet a console is retro
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0c94ce No.16844615
also, a console is retro when prices go from $20 at a thrift shop to $200 at a resller.
PS2 (and PS3) can still be readily found at the $20-30 thrift shop stage.
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9ca6c3 No.16844651
lol cuck/vr/ niggers still trying to pigeonhole PS2 as not retro
>>16844534
>PS2 will never be retro
It is. Deal with it.
>We're doomed to hold up all the shit millenials liked as kids forever.
Boomer shit is constantly held up as high entertainment and it's been retro for decades. Not an argument.
>>16844579
>it will be retro when a decent amount of modern games surpass the quality of what was available
By that logic, SNES, Genesis, and PS1 are not and never will be retro.
>>16844596
>when you can download a romset in a day from clearnet a console is retro
Not an argument.
>>16844615
>a console is retro when prices go from $20 at a thrift shop to $200 at a resller.
Got it, so the NES isn't retro.
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5c6935 No.16844730
>>16844651
Technological obsolescence is the only good qualifier for retro. PS2 is retro because:
>Uses RCA as it's connection, which stopped being standard by the end of the 2000s
>Solely uses external storage, something that no game console does anymore
>Dualshock 2, it's connection type and it's design has been phased out and replaced by the Dualshock 4 and it's wireless/USB connection
And this will be true as other technologies advance. Wii has become retro because of it's use of RCA and that it's Wiimote tech has been replaced by VR controller tech. As SSDs and 4K become common place in consoles with the next generation, Xbox 360 and PS3 will also become retro because hard disk drives and 1080p resolution (Although let's be real, those consoles mostly did 720p) will no longer be standard.
tl;dr - PS2 has been retro for a decade at least and 7th gen isn't far behind
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5c6935 No.16844731
>>16844730
Oh, and how could I forget that PS2 uses DVD-ROM for it's disc format instead of Blu-Ray. Another thing that makes it obsolete and therefore retro.
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2d7b9f No.16844818
aynthing after 5th gen isn't considered retro, the ps2 is capable of 1080p graphics you faggot xennials
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9ca6c3 No.16844892
>>16844818
>the ps2 is capable of 1080p graphics
<not knowing what1080i is
<supported by only 4-5 games
No anon, you're the faggot.
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0a9ae5 No.16845117
>>16843230
I mean the physical design of the console itself was kind of retro when it came out, since it was based off a scrapped revision of the Atari Falcon from the early 90s.
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1e0535 No.16845314
>>16844731
>DVD
>Obsolete
BDA faggotry renders the format inferior to DVD.
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2d7b9f No.16845998
>>16845314
PCs haven't integrated bluray drives yet
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590829 No.16846003
>>16845998
And they never will, once you give people software on physical media they have too much control over it. They may want to sell it or lend it out.
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2d7b9f No.16846011
>>16846003
i wish they did tho, it was a fucking pain having to install 5 dics just so i can play gtao
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5eb52d No.16846015
>>16845998
Well at $50 a pop they aren't that rare.
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16985e No.16846049
>>16845998
>PCs haven't integrated bluray drives yet
Because the BDA are lawsuit happy kikes that GOD FORBID decide to USE YOUR OWN BLURAY DRIVE YOU PAID FOR OH, THE HUMANITY!
Nevermind the fact that if it wasn't for windows having their own rights to dvdkeys, it'd be straight up illegal to watch a dvd you paid for on windows, and on linux, you are literally at the mercy of a judge being not retarded enough to decide watching your own dvd on your computer, in your dvd drive is actually not a crime.
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16985e No.16846203
(Assuming you already aren't, however) if you want to get completely fucking livid about how copyright and software bullshit is, look into dvd playback on linux. Bluray nonsense is a little bigger, as from what I understand microsoft doesn't have any sort of agreement with the BDA to have bluray support in windows, which is why you have to get software JUST FOR THAT SHIT.
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90c846 No.16846210
>>16846049
It's even worse with 4K drives (I have one.. just for the novelty). There's so much security faggotry built in it that you can't even WATCH a movie unless your HDMI is connected to a built in Intel onboard GPU. Any external card is considered a security risk.
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