/v/ - Video Games

>Modern style

Like you said, the ensemble type of games are not bad but have a really fun story and characters. Sonic Unleashed half perfected the gameplay, it's odd how SEGA has made multiple great games in their own genres like Daytona USA, Space Harrier, Virtua Fighter although most of it was made by AM2, they can't even make a good driving section, make knuckles actually fun to play, make random shit like that even enjoyable.

I hate how Sonic X butchers the voice and story of Gamma, that infuriates me

>>16824511

I personally liked the Werehog levels and if tweaked they would have been perfect.

They try to design the Knuckles levels using the Werehog as inspiration with brawling and more emphasis on level exploration.

>>16824519

>They try

*They Should try

>>16824490

>The theme for the Sonic Fan Art in this "Fairytales".

I thought they gave up on that after Secret Rings and Black Knight didn't work out.

>>16824516

It's actually awful even as just porn

>Levels last forever

>Only way of getting porn is losing

>Mechanics are fucking shit

>Gay shota shit

The art is good, sure, but if the game it's attached to is so awful, then just watch porn or play better games, or both.

>>16824542

i'm positive secret rings and black knight would've been better if they got rid of the auto walking and allowed controlled movement and the gimmicky motion shit

>>16824588

I heard that you have to get an unlockable that changes the control scheme in Secret Rings or Black Knight, can't remember exactly

>>16824588

fuck i meant got rid of the gimmicky shit aswell

>>16824511

Imagine how they'd ruin his voice nowadays.

>>16824683

>Imagine how they'd ruin his voice nowadays.

It sounded pretty good in Team Sonic Racing, though he only has about 1 line in it.

>>16824808

>You will never see the cancerous comic book characters ever again.

And nothing of value was lost.

>>16824808

>Sega has made it verboten to reference any of the Archie characters

That's kind of sad, someone put effort into coming up with those designs.

>>16824814

Eh, the Archie comics Sonic was always its own thing, The Japanese never had any reference for Mobius, Dr. Robotnik, or any of the other characters. Hell, outside of Sally & Bunny, for obvious reasons, I don't think many of the Archie characters are even that well remembered by Americans. When was the last time people were clamoring for Rotor or Antoine? Excepting the autistic like Tamers 12345 and his love for obscure Sonic Underground characters.

>>16824819

Robotnik was retconned into being his name wasn't it? When they merged the canon.

Or was that west only.

I don't think any of the cartoon characters besides Sally have any form of mass exposure.

Bunnie is popular in places that usually have general knowledge of all that group.

>>16824808

tbh sally never looked like she really fit as a sonic character

neither did antoine

something was missing from them

>>16824765

I like the jeans jacket.

>>16824819

> I don't think many of the Archie characters are even that well remembered by Americans.

>>16824831

>Robotnik was retconned into being his name wasn't it?

Only real comment they've made on it iirc is "Oh, nobody calls me that anymore" in generations.

>>16824861

Yeah, the final redesigns definitely looked more Sonic, and certainly much better than the old all pink design Sally initially had.

>>16824547

Sonic and Pikachu have appeared in multiple games together already, why won't they just make Sonichu canon already? Oh I forgot this is the same SEGA that can't even get his arm color right, silly me.

>>16824914

thought they lynched them for a moment

>>16824917

>Do you enjoy eating shit

Well I do play video games. :^)

>>16824914

They went from small decent contained fun stories to capeshit.

>>16824490

>>16824957

Reminder that our perception of time changes as we get older. As kids, a month is almost forever.

As old men, years pass by like seconds.

>>16824914

>You mother fuckers don't know what fun is

Is fun reading a comic where Sonic get cucked by the frenchie and desperately crying like a bitch? Or is it the one where Sally and some fucking AI act like lesbians.

Swear to god i had terrible luck with the comics.

>>16824995

Sonic getting cucked was Penders.

>>16825001

>Sonic looks in horror as his girl Amy was fucking Penders on his bed.

No matter how fast Sonic can run, he can't run from that pain.

>>16825011

Good thing Sally isn't canon and never existed.

>>16824995

I have zero interest in comics in general, only reason i got that one initially was because it was 4 bucks and i knew nothing about SATAM or the comic. Only reason i ended up getting the Lesbian fanfic issue was because of faggots on /v/ saying that the comic was much better after penders left.

>>16824957

good times

>>16825026

>SA/SA2

>Buggy

This is the same people who meme'd '06 to oblivion. I'm not saying that they don't have bugs, but you can finish the game no problem without encountering a single bug, and I'm not even talking about revisions, some time ago I finished the original SA in an emulator with no problem at all.

>>16825029

Adventure 2 is one thing, but i remember the first time i played Adventure 1 i clipped through one of the Ramps in the first fucking level just from playing normally.

>>16825034

Emerald Coast is one of my favorite Sonic levels, anon, and I swear something like that have never happened despite sometimes playing SA just to play Emerald Coast. The worst thing that have ever happened to me is forgetting how the controls force you to keep pressing forward despite the camera facing somewhere else and dying for that.

>>16825026

>>16825018

I never played the first Sonic Adventure. How does it compare to the second game?

>>16825784

Somewhat bigger and more ambitious in scope save for the lack of non chao multiplayer and over all less refined. The animations are noticeably more janky, voice acting’s more stilted, and it’s very experimental with Amy and Big having their own gameplay styles and stories that were cut in the sequel. Each of the six characters have their own campaigns along with the last story in addition to having 3 hub worlds. Mission Mode added in SADX doesn’t follow a uniform template that Heroes and SA2 do and are accessed through the Adventure Fields/ hub worlds. Sonic’s got less moves with an OP spin dash, levels less focused on constant speed but still automated in places, and the light speed dash must revved up just like the light attack rather than being instant in the sequel. I think besides the music variation and somewhat less gritty art that’s what I could think of off the top of my head to put it shortly.

>>16824932

>>16825784

sonic adventure had a good atmosphere on it

its not the same on the gamecube

>>16826149

>If this is a hint we'll get another Storybook game, idk what to think.

It's just a fun theme for the current art corner.

>>16826149

>>16826180

the storybook games were suppose to be a trilogy, i still want that third game damn it

>>16824966

That doesn't make it any better man.

>>16824968

IDW comic is way better than the Archie ones.

>>16826149

I'd imagine the unleashed sentiment comes from how many trash modern titles came after it, its merits shine quite a bit when you have mostly bland garbage after it.

Colors is absolutely worse than it, the actual level design for that game is amazingly bad. Its also just bland from most standpoints.

>>16826364

While i do agree, considering IDWs history i have a bad feeling about its future.

Sonic Forces seems disappointing. The story tried to make it a big and epic battle, but fell flat on its face. I don't get a sense of urgency when playing, it feels like Eggman was just having a Tuesday takeover than anything serious.

When I played the Adventure Games, 06 and Sonic Unleashed, I felt the urgency in those games as something big was going to happen and Unleashed was the best at it.

Worst is how Forces treated Egg Dragoon, they didn't use its proper boss theme from the last two games either.

Music isn't bad, but it's not as good as the OSTs from the previous installments. I don't catch myself jamming to Forces OST like I do 06, Colors or Unleash.

The gameplay itself leaves a lot to be desired.

>>16826397

SEGA has put a new mandate on how their characters in comics should be represented.

One of those mandates is that Sonic characters don't have relatives aside from what SEGA themselves have established.

Sonic is never allowed to cry. Sonic is never to be in a romantic relationship. Amy must love Sonic and chase him, but they must not be allowed to date so her love is one sided.

There's more, but this mandate is made after a fallout with Penders which caused SEGA to see what the fuck Archie was doing with their characters.

>>16826416

Funny is that 06 could have been a good game given the time. Hell, fans can actually fix the faults of 06 through mods of the game was on PC.

>>16826417

Yeah, I've been aware of the mandate. Ever since some Sega employee saw a comic cover of Sonic crying over getting cucked, they pulled out the whip.

>Hell, fans can actually fix the faults of 06 through mods of the game was on PC.

I played a demo of the fangame some time ago. I was really impressed that they managed to turn it into an actually fun experience and even implemented some missing content from the final build of the game (i.e. proper transitions for switching characters mid-stage). That said, the camera felt even worse than the original game, though that may have just been from blur effects.

>>16826443

How's that old saw go? Don't stick your dick in crazy?

>>16826452

you cant give amy a super form because she's a fucking nympho

Regarding writing in the Sonic games, aren't they still the guys who did Madworld and Happy Tree Friends or some shit? Or have they been replaced, like all the level designers except one guy who worked on Lost World? No I'm not joking, check Sonic Forces' staff. The only level designers are some guy who's first game was Lost World and two newbies. The engine is also based off Lost World's instead of Generation's, which is why the game controls like garbage a lot of the time. Sonic Team is basically nonexistent at this point, if they were ever real in the first place.

>>16826464

Might as well outsource the games to Westerners like they did Mania.

>>16824750

>First pic

Who is that echidna semen demon?

>>16826466

I could probably direct a 3D Sonic game. My qualifications are I've never played a 3D Sonic game in my life, but understand how Sonic should play. We have the technology, physics and rendering have caught up to the scale a Sonic game needs to work in 3D. More or less anyway, if single level fan demos are any indication.

>>16826468

Penders now title character lara su im quite sure.

>>16826468

Lien-Da. Character-wise she's decent, but I never cared enough to learn more about her in the comics back when I read the original Archie run. Note that since Penders now owns her character she looks like a CWC character. Here's the wiki article if you want to delve into autism: https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Lien-Da

>>16826471

>I've never played a 3D Sonic game in my life, but understand how Sonic should play

>More or less anyway, if single level fan demos are any indication

I can't tell if you're being ironic considering every fucking fan-dev has this same mindset.

>oh dude, just uh make him really REALLY fast and give him pinball physics

>level design doesn't matter, just toss in some slopes

>remember how in Sonic Adventure you could spam spindash and do some crazy shit? Haha lets do that but without any thought put into it

>oh, and remove the homing attack. Despite it being created specifically to help with landing attacks in the 3D space, it wasn't in the games I grew up with so scratch it entirely

>Why hasn't SEGA hired me yet??

>>16826464

I think they're still on-board unfortunately, and yes they haven't improved at all. I'm not sure if they actually write the plots or if they just handle the English dialogue.

>>16824885

The movie is bringing the name back though at one point, Sonic does start callimng him Eggman.

>>16826477

>oh dude, just uh make him really REALLY fast and give him pinball physics

Fast is arguable, but the ball is a super important part of Sonic's moveset that is completely missing in the later games. Sonic 1 emphasizes this most with the lack of a spin dash.

>level design doesn't matter, just toss in some slopes

No I think Sonic 2 isn't very good, thank you very much.

>remember how in Sonic Adventure you could spam spindash and do some crazy shit? Haha lets do that but without any thought put into it

I don't know shit about Adventure but that sounds retarded. Like, the thing about the spin dash was you needed to be completely stopped, and only Mania (and I guess the Sonic 3 beta) had a logical decision in making it chargeable in the air for when you land.

>oh, and remove the homing attack. Despite it being created specifically to help with landing attacks in the 3D space, it wasn't in the games I grew up with so scratch it entirely

Here's a wild fucking concept, why not bring back the W-Spin Attack (or Insta Sheild for you people stuck with the localization)? It gave Sonic a bigger hitbox when attacking in the air and doesn't murder momentum. I don't really have a problem with the homing attack beyond the momentum killing thing, but I do prefer the idea of the spinny attack. You know, lots of characters have it. Crash Bandicoot, Jak, fucking Mario in his most recent game. Shit works.

I was half joking before, but what I'm trying to get at is Adventure might be the best attempt at 3D Sonic so far, but it's still not great. And the only reason I mention fan demos is because I'm pretty sure most of them don't cheat on the loops and slopes, as opposed to some Sonic games.

>>16826476

>Richard Kuta

You mean the faggot who thinks he's a baby and bitched about Sonic's eyes being green

>>16826464

>Sonic Team is basically nonexistent at this point, if they were ever real in the first place.

Sonic team is a misnomer. They're more like the Puyo team, or Arle team.

>>16826477

Most fan demos for 3D engines that aren't just clones of actual 3D sonics are engine showcases, no shit they lack good level design.

And yes easy to make things like adventure clonesdue to resources in regards it obviously will suffer from average fangame issues.

>>16826490

The prototype drop dash is an entirely different beast to the mania one, its not something you decide in the air; its a premeditated move from the beginning of your jump.

Its pretty hard to even do from a moving position in the first place. Its quite a bit closer to an alt spin dash for the average person.

The actual reason why the homing attack was needed for adventures onwards was because the physics in all those games are quite off anyway.

>>16826471

>I could probably direct a 3D Sonic game.

>My qualifications are I've never played a 3D Sonic game in my life

What the fuck is a Sonic?

>>16826476

I haven't heard that name in years. Fucker seemed to suddenly disappeared from the Net or at least just got out of the spotlight.

>>16826503

Thinking about it, I actually think it would be cool to have a move like the W-Spin Attack work on the ground. Call it the Sonic Boom or something. Maybe shields or Whips can modify the properties of that as well, give some interesting movement options. Again, even the homing attack could be useful if it tied in better to how you actually move. You zoom off in a direction, hit an enemy, then kinda stop. Even in the first fucking Sonic game how you bounced of an enemy was a factor of your momentum and shit.

>>16826416

whats this about robotnik having had a wife?

It's time

>>16826531

Yeah, it really comes down to level design. And yeah I'm a Sonic 3 fag, sue me. Most of the time I've seen people die in Adventure is when they hold forward on one of the first loops of the game. Logical choice, retarded outcome. I know it was hard to do 3D at the time, and like I said Adventure was probably the best they could do for the time, with 5 other characters, and to prevent the Dreamcast from fucking dying. And I was suggesting a replacement for the homing attack, although I feel like if we're talking character that fits Silver or Blaze more. Also don't you fucking lie, nothing worthwhile is transferred over when you homing attack, it just basically shoots you straight up unless you attack again, and if jumping in the air and dashing is one of your best options what's the fucking point of running.

>>16826546

Tails wore it better

>>16826552

Tails is not for gay sexual.

>>16826552

Fag

>>16826548

>Also don't you fucking lie, nothing worthwhile is transferred over when you homing attack, it just basically shoots you straight up unless you attack again, and if jumping in the air and dashing is one of your best options what's the fucking point of running.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I DEFINITELY remember momentum being carried over at least in Adventure 2, and I was pretty sure the same happened in SA1.

>>16826567

I haven't seen much Adventure 2 footage, but from what I've seen of Adventure alone, it didn't seem to be there basically at all. Maybe everyone I watched the footage of was too retarded to think about it or too afraid to try because they didn't know if it would freak out for some reason. I'd look up a speedrun but they probably spindash out of bounds to complete the level, don't have time to do homing attack chains.

>>16826562

>>16826575

Just play adventure 2. Better yet, lay Sonic Unleashed Daytime levels.

>>16826584

Ah yes, the ultimate way to check how homing attack works in adventure; playing unleashed.

>>16826477

>>16826468

gotta say, that good ol' Kenneth Pedersen got a lot of "fans" that would like to see him burn for killing two fandoms

>>16826598

Adventure 3 was with us all along.

Anyway judging by a quick playtest i don't think homing attack maintains jack. It gives you some base momentum but its pretty clearly a set amount you just get out of it.

>>16824589

Not exactly. Secret Rings had a level up mechanic that did things like improve Sonic's movement speed and responsiveness. You never could fix the shitty control scheme. And the motion control in Black Knight was honestly inoffensive. It was basically the exact same motion controls Twilight Princess had.

>>16826508

I wonder who he knocked up since Eggman Nega is his future grandson after the Rush retcon.

>>16826684

The whole feminist portion was always a localization change because it originally said womanizer.

>>16824490

Why the FUCK did they even bother with the Hedgehog 2 engine? Forces plays like a clunky piece of shit for the segments that aren't QTEs. Would it have killed them to make something in the same engine as Sonic Generations? They had the ball there for a second but if there's one thing SEGA is good at is dropping the fucking ball.

>>16826500

To be fair, Sonic Team in a technically way has always been fired in some capacity with the exception of lizuka and a few key members like Senoue or Uekawa. Most team members ranging from level designers, programmers, artists, and a few gig musicians like Naganuma or Ogata have joined and left. Hell the levels in Forces were made by two newfags and a Lost World level designer. Thus Sonic Team has never been consistent and thats also why i think the story continuity just jumps around from place to place is exactly because members keep joining and then leaving for other projects outside of Sonic Team or SEGA

>>16826698

I mentioned this earlier, but it's actually based off the Lost World engine. I think the "Hedgehog Engine" is just a rendering engine or some shit. Or it's all bullshit marketing. Point is they tried to make Sonic Generations out of Mario 3D World and it ended about as well as you could expect. Look up the staff, see who really fucked up. Maybe you'll find out that nobody was in charge of the physics at all, wouldn't fucking surprise me given that, again, three people were on level design. Let me put this into perspective. Pokemon Sword and Shield have been panned by parts of the fanbase for being rushed and unfinished, and it has 7 people that had "battle" in their job description. That's a game that has been done to death and the battle system basically set in stone after the release of Diamond and Pearl over 13 years ago. They still couldn't manage to put every move in the game, and the central gimmick of the game is a bit unbalanced. On the other hand, Sonic has never really gotten his legs in 3D, they're using an engine they never should have used, and apparently the staff straight up doesn't exist. I'm surprised it came out mediocre to shit instead of Sonic 06 or Boom.

>>16826702

Mostly because of the generations Mod. As someone whos also trying to 100% unleashed i have my qualms as well. The fact i need a fucking guide to find medals and shit, the fact that the night time platforming sucks as like ==MAZURI ACT 2 AND CHUN NAN ACT2 WITH THE FUCKING SHITTY BALANCE LEVELS. THAT GOD DAMN LUCIA SPAGONIA MISSION, THAT FUCKING WEREHOG SHAMAR MISSION. MY EXPERIENCE WITH HALF THE LEVELS CAN ONLY BE DESCRIBED WITH THE WEREHOGS DEATH SCREAM BECAUSE OF HOW BULLSHIT SOME ARE. And because my fucking controller has input lag for shit like rail grinding and dash jumping.== at least some of the musics good

>>16826704

speaking of lost world the first infinite battle has those springs from lost world

please work this time

>>16826714

Izuka's claims can be bullshit but unironically Sonic never becoming Hyper is arguably true, as the regular Super ending sets up Knuckle's plot with the Eggrobo. Of course that just means Hyper Knuckles can be canonical, and possibly thematically important for the character, so Izuka's fucking stupid. I can also argue about the cut of the emeralds in later games compared to how they were depicted in the classic games and how the super emeralds bridge the gap, but whatever.

>>16826717

I know so little about either game that the most spring related knowledge I have is that there's fucking invisible training wheel springs in some of Classic Sonic's stages, just in case you don't know how to jump up a ledge. Classic Sonic in Forces was a mistake, they clearly didn't have enough time to do anything good for him, and the attempts to make the physics work clearly didn't translate well to whatever fucking mess the Forces physics engine is.

>>16826740

explains shit like how rushed the gameplay and story was. Having three potential boss battles vanish and infinite just fucking off to nowhere not to mention how they didn't bother to make a super sonic boss and half the plot just not making any sense

>>16826718

>Of course that just means Hyper Knuckles can be canonical

Frankly, it should be. How in the fuck is Sonic gonna be the only one to ever get Super Saiyan and not the guy who was elected to fucking guard the Super dragon ball.

>>16826704

Don't forget the best part of reusing Lost World; lost world removed a few things that the Wii U didn't like; leading forces to have small stages because of it.

The current version of the engine they used literally couldn't handle large stages without re-porting that feature.

Realistically they don't even have the earlier variants of the engines and just overwrote lost world over generations.

>>16826743

*two

>>16826785

>It took me a while before I realized that was Tails in drag.

I know right, if it wasn't for the tail, you'd think it's just Amy if she wasn't Jailbait.

>The problem is that Sonic has become too corporate, SEGA wants to make "video games by numbers"

Nah, it's been going on for far longer than that. SEGA hasn't known what the fuck to do with Sonic since before even the fucking genesis ended. There's been about 10 different flavors of 3d sonic from British isolated perspective Sonic, to the barely thought out x-treme prototypes, whatever the fuck heroes was suppose to be, REELESTIC furry fan fiction, 3D larping as 2D replete with 'funny' self deprecating humor, Super Sonic's Parkour Galaxy, endless runner nobody liked, to fucking Boost 2 Win and/or terrible nostalgia pandering. God, that's not even all of them. They've spent 25 fucking years trying to create a template, and the only one that even comes close was Adventure, and i swear to god they took all the wrong lessons out of 06, so we won't be seeing that ever again(Forcing games to come out on his birthday though). Hell, i wouldn't even be suprised if we see another Sonic-Human relationship in the new game.

>>16827001

>he

>breasts

Very good

Before this thread gets overrun by degenerate furfags, whats everyones thoughts on the Sonic movie?

I promised my sisters I’d take them to watch it, and recent clips convinced me that its going to be mildly decent at best. The human characters minus Robotnik all make me want to vomit still. The OVA will always be superior.

>>16824968

>>16824995

>>16825001

>>16825006

To be fair, the guy didn't have full control of the comic as someone made it the point that the reason Sally was even marrying Evil Antoine was because he was poisoning the king. And, no closure was really made after Sonic had been missing for more than a year.

>>16826452

>I think there was an arc of Sonic going on numerous dates with random female characters, even cucking Tails of two of his love interests. This builds up over time until Tails erupts at Sonic and they suddenly become enemies or some shit.

That was just with Fiona Fox, where Tail's relationship with her IS one sided. To explain it, early in the comics, Robotnik made a robotic clone of her to trick Tails. And, Tails fell in love with the robot clone but found out she was a fake, tied up the robot, and rushed off to save Sonic. Much later on, however (Some 150 issues), Tails then encounters the real Fiona (Who is much older then the robot clone, which was de-aged for the sole purpose of tricking tales) and starts crushing hard on her. However, she has no interest in Tails, even explains this to him, but that doesn't stop Tails crushing on her. And, he doesn't actually lose interest in her until she goes full evil and joins up with Scourge. And, as far as him fighting with Sonic, IIRC, that was an entirely different issue where it dealt with Tail's parents trying to institute a coup in Knothole and Tails just let out all his pent-up feelings. Also, with Mina Mongoose (IIRC, again) she and Sonic were originally a thing, but they didn't go anywhere, and the "Future" arcs depicted that she and Tails do eventually get together.

All that being said, Penders really screwed up the comic with some really terrible bullshit, that everyone else at Archie probably wasted endless nights trying to fix into a plot that made some amount of sense.

>>16827102

>When's Yuji Naka taking back control?

He was such an egotistical faggot that he got butthurt over Sega Technical Institute using his NiGHTS engine to make their broken game work which helped fuck Sega over during the Saturn era.

>>16826701

It's more desirable to join the Phantasy Star Crew.

At this point, they are better off with setting up a Western Studio with permanent members.

>>16827126

>now loading.gif

>>16827114

True, but at least he knew what he was doing.

>>16827114

I've never actually heard of this. Do you have a source or anything I can check for further reading on him? I'm only aware that after Sonic he went to work on the Digimon series with some moderate success. He's also been discussing about the upcoming movie a lot on social media. In fact, its all he's been talking about for the past two months.

>>16827126

>implying kids even care Zootopia

The only people that still talk about that movie are millenials who were furries to begin with and mentally ill 16 year olds. We have bullying to thank for the next generation abstaining from anything resembling furfaggotry.

>>16826452

It never effected the people that did that though. It only changed things for the next writer who fixed everything

>>16827114

It's more like he

A. Wanted to stop working on Sonic

B. Wanted to have a higher position in the company because he made the game that saved the Genesis

But through his career they wanted to keep him on Sonic forever because look what happened without him, around the time he promoted Izuka to direct Adventure to his actual departure during 06.

>>16827159

I never heard he went for Digimon, he started his own company, made some game about a kiwi, some Wii fishing game even though he knew jack shit about fishing, and now has some mobile game I think.

>>16827159

bullying pushes the kids into deviancy, why would they bother trying to get the approval of the bully when they can just go on the internet and make online friends?

>>16827114

didn't Naka leave the company and started some literal who company with games nobody cared about

>>16827174

Honestly, I think furries hate the furry community enough at this point that they don't get into the deeper degeneracy. Of course that could also just be "people who draw porn but have like one furry character and occasionally draw furry porn". Yeah you know that picture about the death of a fanbase or whatever, that's happening to furries from what I can tell.

>>16827174

If I become a very pretty girl, will my bullies let me suck their dicks? Will they like me then?

>>16827180

Yes.

>>16827177

its all about the porn now.

>>16827173

Huh, I could've sworn I read something about him working on Digimon, but I just looked it up and he only produced the All-Star Rumble game. Regardless, I still think recruiting the old guard back to Sonic Team could do the series well. Its better than the literal whos working on the series now at least.

>>16827159

The source for the final struggle of X-Treme is from an interview.

http://www.lostlevels.org/200403/200403-xtreme.shtml

Its just kinda mentioned, as an obvious point to calling it a death kneel though, NIGHTs X-Treme would have had like a tiny dev cycle; the game was totally fucked by the time it got forced to switch engines anyway. And thats ignoring the fact that the Boom engine that was used before was too different to reuse assets from.

You would need miracle workers to actually wrangle this shit.

>>16827261

As someone who has one of those skin flaps, i can tell you it's a circumcision that healed wrong.

>>16827029

I wish they didn't redesign Sonic. It would've been a far more hilarious dumpster fire to watch.

>>16827029

>Before this thread gets overrun by degenerate furfags, whats everyones thoughts on the Sonic movie?

It looks surprisingly decent from the trailers, and it is nice to see somebody care about the little blue guy for once. Kind of wish there was more of his friends in the movie, if only to see what Tails, Knuckles and Amy would've looked like with the original design.

>>16827177

>>16827193

Furfag here and yes, I do hate the fandom. I'll admit I do enjoy the porn but I'm not a complete degenerate. There's stuff in the fandom that even I'm disgusted by.

Furry was originally supposed to be like the Anime fandom only centered around anthropomorphic characters. It was just a bunch of guys who liked movies, comics and cartoons with "funny animals" in them at first but because we were such a niche fandom back then and were such nerds, we'd just let anyone into the fandom regardless of their background so a ton of people just joined it solely for the porn and brought along their degeneracies with them.

And so came all the otherkins, babyfurs, alphabet mobsters and even bestialists. It's only gotten worse over time. I've grown to be ashamed of using the term furry.

>>16827903

>I'm waiting for the sequel

Watch it be as disappointingly bland or downright stupid as as Ralph Breaks the Internet, Toy Story 4, Frozen II, Avengers: Endgame, Spider-Man: Far From Home, Captain Marvel, Solo, Star Wars Episode 9, Aladdin…do I need to go on?

>>16827920

This is why gatekeeping is a thing. I wonder if you were ever tempted to stop being a furfag over the fandom's shit.

>>16827947

>It's why gatekeeping is a thing

Not like it matters nowadays, the internet becoming mainstream has made that nearly impossible.

But furfags were the worst solely for allowing anyone to join during the early days, it brought nothing but scum in, fags that just wanted a shield from their faggotry or to socialize instead of wanting to discuss and share a common interest.

>>16827920

>totally wasnt sexual yet somehow there was porn to lure people in

>>16827947

>>16827947

>I wonder if you were ever tempted to stop being a furfag over the fandom's shit.

Curing a fetish is virtually impossible without, like, a lobotomy, but i'd imagine it'd at least make you stop associating with them publicly.

>>16827896

>If the filmmakers were willing to go the extra mile just to redesign Sonic

>actually thinking the whole controversy wasn't a pre-planned marketing stunt

go consume product then, you fucking mindless sheep

>>16827970

>Pre planned

>CGI studio closed down due to bankrupcy

They're shittily paid as well, Hollyjew is a sweatshop

>>16827967

I've considered myself a furry for well over 10 years, but I don't participate in the furry community. I have some online friends with that are good people, but like any platform, the general public is very tiring. On FA for example, you get annoying retards, malicious people, underage people that should fuck off, abusive and attention whoring artists, actual dogfuckers, and power tripping site staff that enable it all. There is no benefit to participating in the community whether it is FA or IB or other site. It's all very tiring

>>16827920

Don't forget one of the people that Varka knew to fund Bad Dragon was someone from the IT industry that had mob connections with a horse brothel in Mexico, according to a /furry/ thread.

Or that he and Athus are dogfuckers (horse and dolphin respectively). Not sure what Narse is into but he's definitely complicit

>>16827975

Ah, so that's why they called it the furry mafia. Aaside from, well, the fact that it could arguably be one despite the literal mob connection.

>>16827976

Ah, moving up in the world, I see.

>>16827947

I definitely don't just tell it to anyone. I try to keep it to myself for the most part to avoid the stigma. And yes, there've been times when I just wanted to quit but old habits die hard.

>>16827965

A lot of people who made up the fandom were adults who grew up with "funny animal" media so we wanted to have more adult stories featuring them that catered to us. It didn't have to just be porn at first. You'd have space operas and slice of life dramas here and there.

>>16827992

They know their audience

>>16828003

Did you pay 1000 dollars for over 100 of those edits?

>>16828003

>NuWojak

Every single one of you needs to burn

>>16828019

Kind of wished they'd went with this design.

>>16827903

goddamn i want to fuck that rabbit.

>>16828019

theres also the fact that there are 4 movesets from sonics jam model that were re-added into adventure. Just like that i'm done with the adventure trivia. I sort of have a spot for the late classic-early adventure era

>>16828002

>completing 06 but completing unleashed before sonic rings

You have to suffer in release order

>>16828027

>>16828019

>>16828017

Makes me wonder when exactly they decided were going to give Sonic a voice, Sonic 1 had a good and a bad ending, Sonic 2 has drawings in it's ending to give it more detail, Sonic CD has Amy getting kidnapped mid level, Sonic 3 has allot of actual cutscenes, Maybe they would have wanted to use voice acting from the start but couldn't do it until Adventure.

While 3D Sonic's voice is something I can't imagine not existing anymore, I don't think Sonic getting a voice actually improved his character, he was more compelling to me when he came off like a force of nature in the Sonic CD intro

>>16828040

I have beaten Secret rings before, but I just can't nowadays with those fucking tilt controls, I have no idea how I played it to completion as a kid.

>>16828045

It's interesting that the only time classic Sonic ever talked was when he fucking killed himself in CD.

>>16828045

i think Sonic Team wanted to do what was capitalized on Sonic cartoons and give him and official voice. then again they originally wanted steve urkel to voice classic sonic in generations but made the decision not to >>16828055

the thing about Xtreme is that it had a troubled development like 06 and Forces especially with the fact one of the higher ups knew the game would most likely screw up and wished them the best of luck to save it. I think if given more time they could have released a great game that would not require a need for the adventure duology and maybe the franchise would be different than what it is now.

>>16828064

sorry i meant jaleel white

>>16828045

>Maybe they would have wanted to use voice acting from the start but couldn't do it until Adventure.

Well he did talk in the cartoons, both American and Japanese ones, and 3D Blast(made by a brit but overseen by the japs) also had him speaking in text, so they're probably not against it.

>Sonic getting a voice actually improved his character

Probably because they only use to explain basic shit to you like you're retarded. Just look at Forces and wii u boom.

>>16828055

>Honestly the "sprite version"

Which one is that even, there's like 4 different fucking versions of this game, which is no wonder why they couldn't get the fucking thing released.

>>16828064

I think adventure like games would have came out regardless, but X-treme may have kept it in the earlier "gamey" stages of development; the green eyes thing probably would have never happened. Though i wouldn't count on it, it was just a marketing gimmick after all.

Though maybe it would have just been more of an X-treme 2; no sprite edition with the original draft idea of Knuckles/Tails being in with different playstyles originally planned for them.i wonder how free control camera was meant to make tails sections that different though

Chaos just seems like a really obvious villain no matter the case anyway, even X-treme had a story draft of evil guys coming out of the master emerald.

>>16828075

Sprite version was the one that got an early version shown accidentally and got canned for it, it was the original version, the Condor version is the NIGHTs thing that was leaked. The sprite version is the one you would have seen in magazines, i don't think anyone besides the guy who almost killed himself for it thought the 3D version had any hope.

I legitimately don't think the boss engine was ever released thinking about it. Not the original one meant to be used with the sprite version; nor the one that would have been the final attempt.

>>16828045

>I don't think Sonic getting a voice actually improved his character, he was more compelling to me when he came off like a force of nature in the Sonic CD intro

Its only in certain games where Sonic being vocal plays into a large part of his character. Obviously the storytelling is different in the Genesis games so he naturally has no need to speak or have dialogue. Adventure 2, Black Knight (especially this one), and Unleashed utilize Sonic speaking the best imo. You get a lot of insight into his character and philosophy, and, at least for a kid at the time, it could be very compelling.

Nowadays its as >>16828075 says, he only speaks to explain the plot to the mentally retarded and spout Marvel one-liners and quips. Thanks for nothing, Pontac and Graff.

>>16828080

Or was condor and the boss engine the same thing? I forget really, there is a third engine for the third stretch; but looking at the metal sonic footage i think the boss engine was Condor.

Either way the third engine has never shown up.

>>16828082

I still need to play Black Knight, I keep hearing interesting things about it, I can emulate it on dolphin, but I need to figure out how best to bind the Wiimote control scheme onto a controller first.

Thinking about it what usually makes Sonic's goal interesting to me is when he was being pushed by a rival, Sonic is usually laid back and chill, but Shadow and Jet, both made him go "Oh you think your better then me?" a rival is always an easy way to get the player motivated about the hero succeeding.

>>16828094

>>16828080

There's also the PoV engine, which was apparently created in secret by the team responsible for porting Xtreme to the Saturn.

>>16828102

Knuckles arguably did it first, but on the other hand Metal Sonic also arguably did it first. Metal Sonic basically didn't interact with Sonic at all aside from a sick boss fight, while Knuckles just fuckled with you until an anticlimactic boss fight.

>>16828094

where do you think they are now?

>>16828122

I mean he shows up for one cutscene to kidnap a character you probably don't care about, but yeah his hologram is a thing that does show up sometimes. Metal Sonic gets by entirely on being a cool design and a cool boss fight, but that's really all he needed to be. I've never actually played CD, but I did play Chaotix, I could write an entire fucking design document about that mess, and maybe I will someday.

>>16828102

I can't express enough how underrated Black Knight is. I really disliked Secret Rings when it first came out and it took me a long while for it to grow on me, but Black Knight just clicked for me from the get go. Now, while I consider it much better than Secret Rings, the gameplay itself still might not be your cup of tea. Arguably, the best part of Black Knight is its story, especially in the second half of the game where everything gets turned on its head. Some of the dialogue and cutscenes might seems silly, though I think its intended to be like that (everyone talks with a medieval vibe, which is extremely contrasted with Sonic's laid back tone, word choice, and personality, creating some really amusing and even thought-provoking scenes).

>Thinking about it what usually makes Sonic's goal interesting to me is when he was being pushed by a rival, Sonic is usually laid back and chill, but Shadow and Jet, both made him go "Oh you think your better then me?" a rival is always an easy way to get the player motivated about the hero succeeding.

Sonic games often handle "rivalry" themes really well. The one between Sonic and Knuckles is one of my favorites, though its rarely talked about. Just as their colors and designs are opposites (Sonic is spiky while Knuckles is smooth, Sonic is speed while Knuckles is power-based, etc.), their ideals and code directly contrast each other as well. Sonic is a free spirit who follows the will of no one but himself; he lives strictly according to his own rules and sense of justice, and he'll do what he thinks is right above all else. Knuckles in contrast is very duty-bound, hence his guarding the Master Emerald. He prefers solitude and, SA1 demonstrates this really well, he prioritizes his responsibility and assigned duty far above his own personal desires. In other words, Sonic thinks "the right thing" is to follow his heart and will independent of outside influences, while Knuckles believes "the right thing" is to follow his assigned mission and responsibility to the end regardless of his thoughts on the matter. Its an interesting contraction that I don't think the games ever took full advantage of or maybe I'm just autistic and reading too deep into it

>>16828128

Oh right, those were the builds built off an early build that were the first builds leaked if i remember right.

They were for PC and weren't really better than the original builds so it would be worthless to show to SEGA anyway.

>>16828131

The gimmick of the game is kinda fun, but Chaotix is really blandly made if you think about it; its huge stages show some thought was put into it; but honestly the game probably should have just been more tightly made instead of just putting ten layers of leeway so you can sling yourself up a retardly huge stage.

It has numerous other issues and seeing crackers always made me wonder how the early builds actually werebecause the leaked version was too early to really tell if they dropped the ball later on

All its extra features just wind up empty as well.

>>16828045

Sonic did have a voice in Sonic CD but all he ever said was "I'm outta here!"

>>16828064

>>16828068

Sega was gonna get Jaleel White to come back and voice Classic Sonic in Generations? Where'd you hear this? I always thought Sega didn't want anything to do with SatAM Sonic or AOSTH.

Anyway, if you want someone to blame for Sonic Xtreme getting cancelled it would be Yuji Naka for bitching about STI using his Nights engine for one of the levels.

>>16828151

>Sega was gonna get Jaleel White to come back and voice Classic Sonic in Generations? Where'd you hear this?

Classic Sonic is silent throughout the game, but still shows his personality through his actions and gestures. Aaron Webber mentioned in an interview, that if anyone were to be Classic Sonic, it would be Jaleel White. Aaron had to make a choice whether Classic Sonic would be voiced by Jaleel White or have no voice at all. Aaron also mentioned that he grew up with the classic cartoons of Sonic like Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, and he thought Jaleel White did a fantastic job.

only source i can find is a jewtube embed thats on the Generations voice acting section on the sonic wiki, still imagine having classic sonic make a bunch of AOTSH tier quips during the game

>>16828155

disregard that, theres a youtube video and an article at unseen 64, depends on which you want to consider trustworthy.

http://archive.is/HOS9D

>>16828155

>imagine having classic sonic make a bunch of AOTSH tier quips during the game

As much as I fucking hate most of the SoA localization and related media, I still actually like AOSTH a little. Maybe it's all the YouTube Poops of it, but whatever. I also can't call that design of Robotnik anything but, for me it's the iconic "Robontnik: (although that's also partially due to Mean Bean Machine). Still wouldn't want Jaleel White to voice Sonic again, although hearing him say "I'm outta here!" and fucking killing himself would be worth it. Also what would the Japanese have gotten? Sonic OVA's voice? Who knows.

>>16828157

the only reason i can see sonic team giving classic sonic jaleels voice would be to pander to the crowd that grew up with the old cartoons. Of course they could probably go with the OVA dub as well.

>>16828157

I mean there is only two "Robotnik" designs.

AOSTH is very distinct and pops, SatAM kinda just matches how he feels in said cartoon; bland.

The comics just used cartoon designs outside of fleetway using the actual Eggman design for a small amount of time.

ironically archie used SatAM and fleetway used AOSTH, meaning the two basically had the same amount of usage

>>16827987

Varka himself owns Bad Dragon, dragonfru.it (furry ad platform), e621, hosts Inkbunny on his server, and some other shit. Look up his history with Herpy.net for example

Just found this

Enjoy

>>16827992

https://www.facebook.com/paragonvillage12/photos/a.1020714094633717/2767131266658649

Holy shit. This is legit.

>>16828765

why am i tempted to click on that?

>>16828765

That was gay and the animation was so poorly done and lazy. The voice acting sucked too. Here's something more enjoyable and professionally made.

>>16828850

>11 minutes only

>It's been 26 years since Sonic 3 launched on Hedgehog's Day

And almost a decade since "Project Needlemouse" turned out to be Sonic 4

I think I'll play as Knuckles soon for his birthday.

>>16828850

>>16828853

I'm amazed that he isn't purge off discord

>>16830126

Tamers has a Discord account?

>>16830706

How are they as pets when compared to Hamsters and Gerbils?

>>16830964

Not made for autistic people. Yes, I am serious. Hedgehog pets need a lot of patience, gentle and care. Make sure you you always wash your hands after petting a hedgehog anon

>>16825026

You're kidding? The glitchiness is what sold me on SA2.

>>16826416

Man, I miss the Adventure Robotnik look and voice. He was threatening but still dumb, unlike the new one which is just whimsical.

I really miss those times when one dimensional bad guys could sound like actual bad guys instead of funnymen, faggots or being played by some e-celeb/unionized VA that gets all the roles.

>>16832511

What's the story behind this image?

>>16832511

'tism is good

Also didn't Archie establish that Robotnik transfers consciousness and that is why there's so many different versions of Eggman?

>>16832555

No thats not what that explanation was for, while the main Eggman could do that due to being a robot for a decent period of time and was used to explain him switching to the adventure design.

Its just parallel dimension autism, like "good robotnik" for ebil sanic.

>>16832511

>Eggman NEGA is there

>but no Cat Sonic

>>16832881

Blaze is right there.

>>16832811

>>16832897

>>16832899

>stage is good because it teaches you

it's an okay level

I think the major problem I have with most modern Sonic gameplay is that there's nothing similar between his classic and modern moveset. Why does he have a boost juice meter, for example? I know there's sort of a middle ground with Adventure and him having a spin dash and his modern homing attack, but even the spin dash feels kinda off. I don't really blame Sonic Team for slightly fumbling the execution of Sonic in 3D, Yuji Naka didn't want to work on the game, Izuka has since proven he has no idea what he's doing, and 2D game franchises being converted to 3D has pretty much always been a problem. But it's just fucking weird that they game they made about rolling shit around, Billy Hatcher, didn't result in anything good for Sonic. Even Ubisoft tried Tonic Trouble before Rayman 2. The weirdest fucking thing is at this point I don't associate modern Sonic's moveset with him, I associate it with Blaze because I actually played Sonic Rush. Boost seems to absolutely make sense for her, she's got fire power so she just fucking blasts through enemies. It makes complete sense. Hell, even though Rush doesn't have a homing attack (at least when I last looked it up) I associate it more with Blaze than Sonic, is that fucked up or what? I think I've mentioned it before, but she's probably the modern Sonic character classic fans like most, and is probably the most popular post-Shadow character (but what competition does she really have aside from Omega, honestly). I guess what I'm saying is if somebody wants to do some assembly hacking, Blaze in classic Sonic games could be fun.

>>16827168

Looks like a monster

>>16834678

The issue was the "3D sonic" identity had already solidified with adventure; the seeming majority wanted adventure expanded, not for it to go closer to its original identity.

Theres a reason why adventurefags vs classicfags is so common, they don't want the same type of game.

When adventure finally crashed with 06, they still wanted to promote to the "adventure side" so they went to a similar style but with a gimmick from a recent game.

When one of those games was praised heavily colors, SEGA decided to try to stick the boost horse; and when they tried to remove it due to being a massively wasteful gimmick said game failed.

>>16835159

Lost World failed not because it lacked boost, but because it was Super Mario 3D World but bad

=ON THE SAME POORLY SELLING CONSOLE AS 3D WORLD=

Lost World came out one month before 3D World too, so people had a direct comparison almost immediately. I'm not going to be counting Sonic Boom because that's more or less Sonic Spinball in the grand scheme of things.

>>16835246

I wasn't implying i believed its failure to be that, i'm implying that something like SEGA definitely would link those two things together though.

Logically considering how horrible boost must be for budget, they'll take another jab at a non-boost modern again eventually.

Also yeah obviously a spin-off that wasn't even meant to be similar gameplay wise at all doesn't factor in to "modern sonic".

even when boom looked decent, it very clearly was a different gameplay point to anything a mainline sonic would be

**Everybody Super Sonic Racing™!

Try to keep your feet right on the ground!

When you're Super Sonic Racing™!

There's no time to look around!

We're just Super Sonic Racing™!

Running to the point of no return!

Everybody Super Sonic Racing™!

Come on and let the fire burn!

Let's go!**

>>16832543

Fanart of the various versions of Sonic and Robotnik in the franchise fighting each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvMss4M51rE

just here to share the greatest piece of artistry our generation has seen with everyone

>>16835889

>Sonichu History X

>Not Chris telling a jerkop to bite the curb

0/10.

>>16826438

What whould even be the reason to give Amy super form?She doesn't go on adventures(no,trying to get dicked by sonic isn't an adventure),she doesn't have any power(silver psychokinesis,knuckles strength,edgy chaos powers,sanic FAST)that could be amplified by super form

>>16836811

shes got a magical hammer

>>16836811

She went on a bunch of adventures. Sonic Adventure, Sonic Advance and Sonic Heroes say hi.

>>16836811

Tails doesn't either, and he got a super form. I don't even think he could fly any better in that form.

>>16837569

As hot as crazy can be, that's just your dick confusing it with lewd and enticing because it's retarded. Never stick your dick in crazy.

Sonic movie spoilers if anyone cares: In an apparently leaked post-credits scene, Tails makes a cameo appearance where he flies off into the forest looking for Sonic. So far a lot of people are reporting the clip as being legitimate, and it sounds like Tails' current VA from the games. Here's the clip in question too.

I WANNA FLY HIGH

>>16837716

>fucked up the spoiler for the thumbnail

fug

>>16837716

Feels like an awful lot of work for one short post-credits scene. Bet there's a spinoff, sequel, or other kind of short in the works already.

>>16837573

Yeah amplification isn't really a thing that super forms do i'm pretty sure.

The only character who it really does something besides a general power increase is shadow. "Unlimited energy" or higher speed sounds like it'd be a general thing.

If you can shit out infinite energy, then no shit Silver has stronger psychic abilities.

I never even got what Tails super form even was meant to be? Does he just keep some flickies on his person or something, where the hell do they come from.

Also it clearly shows that fucking flickies of all things can go super. Yeah clearly Amy can't be allowed in the heavily exclusive club of super forms.

>>16837716

>Tails cameo

Wonder if there was a redesign for him, probably was added with the redesign but it'd be pretty funny to have another abomination

>>16837716

His design is actually pretty good.

>>16837741

>Too bad they couldn't fix the merch in time.

It sucks, but at the very least that's how you know the whole thing wasn't just a publicity stunt. No way they would've submitted the original design in to the toymakers if they were planning on replacing it.

>that time that Eggman just straight up tried to murder Sonic

>>16840032

And that is supposed to be a prequel to Sonic 1.

So I got a leaked camripped copy of the movie. Any of you faggots up for a movie night this weekend?

>>16840390

>Fucking picture didn't upload for some reason.

Briefly looking through the video to check whether it works there's a sheboon love interest for the main character. I knew I was expecting fuckery from Hollywood, but I am still amazed at the audacity of these kikes.

>>16840322

Thanks

>>16840391

I thought you were kidding, but it's there in the movie; **a single mother no less*.*

Y-YOU DOUBLE NIGGER

>>16840416

eh. the rouge suit looks better on futa tails anyway.

>>16824757

i still would fuck Penders

>>16835982

this

>>16835889

how dare you mock our lord sonichu

>>16840322

nice

>>16840234

>>16840322

>Tails and Knuckles going super is non-canon.

I always thought that was fucking retarded. If Blaze can go super by being the Sol Emeralds' protector than Knuckles should be able to become super for being the protector of the Master Emerald and, by proxy, the Chaos Emeralds.

Agree, this is why not everyone follows on Iizuka's every word.

>>16840234

Izuka is like JK Rowling. He's just bulshit retconning everything out of game.

The only guy I'd listen to with old game canon is Yuji Naka, not this second banana that became the director and have no idea what he's doing with his team.

>>16840234

You're going to try to tell me Sonic Spinball isn't canon next.

>>16840234

There's a canon?

Speaking of Iizuka, anyone know if his Sonic Bible is online, because i really want to see it. Apparently it's got some really dumb shit in it, like restricting inventors to only Tails and Eggman, despite Sonic somehow owning a fucking Airplane.

>>16840887

I don't remember such a thing, and the only sonic bible i can remember being posted to anywhere was the old american one.

Sounds bullshit considering IDW has a platypus inventor or something to that effect.

>>16840887

>despite Sonic somehow owning a fucking Airplane.

Sonic doesn't have to be an inventor to be the original owner of that plane. He could have either bought it or got it from a friend.

>>16840908

I hate it already.

>>16840908

This causes mild anger.

>>16840908

Why'd they change the cute trailer dance?

>>16841206

market research.

>>16840908

Now show the nigress and her niglet interacting with Sonic

>>16841304

Here you go, you double nigger.

>>16841305

>Fucking images still won't upload.

Goddamit, Ron. Fix this abortion of a website.

Is Iizuka a boon or a bane for this series? Will the series improve if he departs?

Lol

>>16841450

>Will the series improve if he departs?

The series will improve if they hand over the development to Whitehead andand his associates because only Whitehead knows what he's doing.

>>16837773

Certainly possible tails was also redesigned. It wouldn't make sense to have tails look entirely different in design from old sonic and look like new sonic. Though I suppose it is just as possible he was added after the redesign since it is just a quick post-credit scene.

>>16824490

So the movie was pretty decent. Sonic farts and flosses twice but other than that he's pretty on point. He gets sad at one point and just runs in circles for no reason until he accidentally causes a sonic boom. There's also beer in the biker bar and they joke about gang shootings/drug dealers so I guess those exist. The product placement scene for Zillow.com was very bland and there's a crazy old man that draws Sanic. The movie sets itself up for a sequel by having Robotnik look and sound more like the one we know, not to mention the whole Tails thing. I'd be interested in seeing what they do when/if they make a second movie.

>>16841766

Sequel has a chance to be something with an actual Sonic plot, but I'm afraid his human friends are going to be there too. Maybe we'll get 2006 ending scene as well.

>>16841778

This is just me but I'm hoping for them to bring in following in the sequel:

>Badnik robots with animals inside them.

>Jim Carrey going full Eggman.

>The Chaos Emeralds.

>Explore Sonic and Tails' friendship.

>Possibly have the Death Egg, Amy Rose and Metal Sonic.

>Save Knuckles and the Master Emerald for Part 3.

>>16841766

>farts

One bone tossed to the little kids seeing funny animal movie of a character they otherwise don't know

>flosses

One bone tossed to the parents of said little kids so they have something to remind the kids about later